
(Lovely handmade rocking chair photo via MontanaRaven.)
For anyone wondering if the SCOTUS decision today would have any real impact on anyone's life other than to ratchet up the rhetoric on the abortion issue, I offer this as a real world example of how difficult the intersection between faith-based outside edicts and scientific/medical immediacy can often lead to incredibly wrenching outcomes.
This one is a painful read for me, as it will be for anyone who has had to deal with a pregnancy loss, but it is a conversation that needs to occur in light of the decision today. A decision which blithely casts aside the judgment of obstetrician-gynocologists, who know their patient's personal history and needs, for the judgment of a bunch of politicians in Washington, D.C. and the rapidly rising questions of faith-based medicine which are so often at odds with scientific understanding and desperate, immediate, individual need.
I am posting a more extended excerpt than usual, because the article is behind a firewall. From the Journal of the American Medical Association (subs. reqd.):
...Over the next two days, the power of modern pharmaceuticals is unleashed in an attempt to quiet her uterus and save the twins. In reality, this attempt is focused on the twin who is fully contained in the uterus, since the one who is almost inside the vagina has no realistic chance of achieving viability. The efforts are valiant -- these twins were conceived after 10 years of marriage -- and the desire is strong to salvage as much of this pregnancy as possible....Inducing labor before membranes have ruptured, or before there is a maternal indication such as infection, is technically an elective abortion. This hospital, like most hospitals in the metropolitan area in which they live, has a strict no-elective-abortion policy, which forbids her obstetricians from rupturing her membrances and initiating labor. Women who want elective abortions go to Planned Parenthood; the ones who want to deliver full-term babies go to hospitals; and so the woman andher husband are told they cannot exercise that option at this hospital. The two of them, recent transplants from California used to a less faith-based practice of medicine, are shocked by this. Nobody wants this pregnancy more than they, they argue. The sole reason they are doing this is because the risks outweigh the benefits. Does the hospital require emergence of a frank infection before intervention is permissible? Is this in keeping with the highest standards of practice in modern obstetrics? Her obstetricians are sympathetic but helpless. Finally, they come up with a plan. The sole hospital that does not have such an abortion policy is a university teaching hospital several miles away. Telephone calls are made, a direct admission is arranged, and the woman's husband drives her to the teaching hospital, where labor is induced. The twins are delivered the next day. They are stillborn.
You might wonder, reading this vignette, how I happen to know so many details about this case, or even whether this is a fictional teaching case that so bedevils medical students. The unfortunate truth is that this is real life: I am the husband in this story.
But the greater tragedy here, to my mind, is the straitjacket that a religious worldview imposes on the complexity inherent within clinical medicine. Our world sometimes presents us with situations that cannot be simplistically categorized as pro-choice or pro-life, and other patients across the nation will be faced with decisions like the ones we made on that fateful day.
This is why hospital policies that originate in religion rather than science can be unhealthy and unsafe. Personal religious beliefs can and should guide the lives of clinicians of faith. The extent to which they guide a clinician's professional life is the clinician's personal matter, and I hope that clinicians will choose specialties and practice settings that ensure that patients receive needed care regardless of the clinician's religious beliefs. However, the extent to which these beliefs guide hospital policy is a matter of concern to all of us, whether we are patients or clinicians. The extent to which the US medical establishment succeeds in circumscribing the circle of influence of religion-based medicine will determine the quality of health care that phsycians can offer their patients. Clearly, irrespective of what religion each of us belongs to, this is the very least that our patients deserve.
That also goes for the people we elect to make our laws, and those elected or appointed to interpret them on the bench in our courtrooms.
There is a reason that Jane and I went to the mat time and time again with regard to both the Roberts and Alito confirmations. And with regard to politicians like Short Ride Joe. And why we asked vital questions of organizations like NARAL, which sat on a pile of cash instead of using it to push against the nominations of both justices.
Because women and their families, who are faced with the horrific, personal, and difficult decisions that this family had to face, should not have to deal with people on the outside of their lives deciding what is best for their moral welfare, with no context whatsoever of the individual details. Hard and fast rules do not often apply neatly in individual situations of life and death. And we ought to learn from this vignette, among so many others, that one person's moral certitude can make someone else's life that much closer to hell in the moment in which a split-second decision may be medically required.
(H/T to the anonymous reader who sent me this article for my perusal.)
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Christy!
Hello Jane:
Hope this meets you well.
Much love.
Thanks Christy
The next election can’t come soon enough.
QUESTIONS —
What is an oglake? And why were you Fired?
What will Joe Lieberman and CT NARALly have to say about this?
*crickets* no doubt
I wonder sometimes how a friend of my brother is doing. She was carrying twins when I met her, and about to move from California to Texas (and not long before the due date). I heard later that one of the twins died in utero, and that they had to do an emergency C-section to save her life and that of the second twin.
Do the people who are so sure that abortion is always wrong (so many of whom are also against sex education, contraceptives, and any kind of family planning) ever think about this as something that might happen to someone they know?
(I’d also add to the problem list: the people who think that ‘every woman must want to be a mother’. I’ve actually heard that sentiment, from a person whose tales of home life left me wondering what standard of parenting was in use.)
Eureka at 6 - Actually, CT NARAL was wonderful. It is Nancy Keenan and the nation NARAL who have some serious questions to answer. CT NARAL did NOT support Lieberman.
boy, all I hear are crickets here, where’d everybody go?
Reporting my fundamental question: If we don’t have the right to privacy, what good are all the other alleged rights?
I had not viewed it through that lens before, but you’re right Redd. This goes beyond the abortion issue to a more fundamental question on whether we, or politicans, decide what care we and our loved ones receive.
This is one reason that I’m wary about a universal health care plan. If government is footing part of the bill, they will quickly decide what level of “care” you can receive. Given what Repubs have already done to our justice system (with some being “more equal than others”), what makes anyone believe that they (whenever they regain power) will not do the same with the health care system.
“You can have the highest quality government financed health care sir/madam, but only if you have shown your loyalty by voting for President Bush (Jeb).”
Think I’m nuts? Look again at what these “creatures” were doing to our justice system and give me a logical reason why these same “creatures” would not do the same to the health system if given half-a-chance.
grrr …
every woman must have the right to choose.
i support the right of every woman to decide what she wants to do about her health, including pregnancy.
End.
Of.
Story!
can we get anita hill and angela wright to come back and help us impeach clarence thomas?
I don’t do Med Malpractice work, but if the standard used by a hospital is that they will not medically intervene with a decaying fetus in a woman’s vaginal canal UNTIL THAT WOMAN DEVELOPES THE INEVITABLE INFECTION, well all I can say is, if that poor woman had died from such an infection while she and her husband we pleading for medical care…..
it sure sounds like a recipe for a negligent homicide case to me.
Un freakin’ believable!!!
looseheadprop @ 13
Bush should be tried for murder. Many murders.
sonate @ 11
you aren’t nuts, just look at the vote on negotiating prescription drug prices for medicare.
where’s the care there?
Christy wrote:
There is a reason that Jane and I went to the mat time and time again with regard to both the Roberts and Alito confirmations
[Modnote: for italics please put the [i]at the beginning and match it with a [/i] with that all-important “/”at the end, thanks]
LHP at 13 — Horrified does not begin to describe my reaction on reading this. From the legal ramifications all the way through to the personal. I feel so badly for this family, having been through my own losses. I cannot imagine what they have had to go through in all of this. I just cannot imagine it.
Next, they’ll make women wear headscarfs.
The really stupid thing about this is that nobody, except a freakish few, want to go back to the way it was before Roe/Wade. This is simply a pedestal issue used as a symbol to keep the Religious vote in the Repug party.
Note to Christy and other Attorneys here: Any comments on current abortion laws Vs those in Canada and Western Europe, to give a sense of what laws are being used in civilized nations, that balance a woman’s right to choose with society’s right to protect the ‘baby’.
EPU’d from last thread–but on topic here:
Biodun @ 51
Eureka Springs @ 6
Don’t blame CT NARAL. I know people who belong to the organization, and they did not endorse him. In fact, I corresponded with their ED, who wrote me:
An excerpt from our second email:
Don’t blame CT NARAL. It is the national organization, led by the useless and odious Nancy Keenan, that is to blame. And as I stated earlier, their response to phone calls about the SCOTUS has been dismissive and rude.
Thanks Christy. I have also been down this road, trying to save a long sought after pregnancy. With all the things that can go wrong with babies in utero, or with mothers, it is appalling that the likes of Strip Search Sammy and Clarence Thomas can make what are personal and moral decisions for women and their families.
Like Egregious, I am pro choice and pro life. But I’d like to call the “pro life” movement as it is by its real name: misogyny.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
Oh thank you for clearing that up. On my first cuppa joe right now. It’s a bit off topic but I watched a fantastic hearing on cspan til 4am last night…on renditions and european relations… Firepups be on the lookout for replays…you don’t want to miss it.
From things I’ve read in the past, it is often extreme medical circumstances like this that drive the need for this procedure.
Playing politics with mothers-to-be who are going through hell is a crime.
I am sad for all women and girls today in this country–especially those like my four year old daughter–the ones who will pay in innumerable ways for the follies of the current bottom-feeding, scum-sucking, anti-life administration. Culture of life my *$$
just wondering how the president uses the phrase “culture of life” without flinching. FDL has, once again, proven beneficial in promoting respectful input on a most difficult topic. Thank you.
When my husband was a resident at St. Mary’s Hospital in San Francisco (1976) I became pregnant with an IUD. The IUD was stuck. It was quickly apparent that the fetus was already dead. St. mary ’s provided our health care. They would not touch me until I had miscarried or become infected. Needless to say we went to another hospital in the nick of time. I was getting very sick. Seems that things have not changed much. For some women have little value.
carolyn urban @ 21
yes MISOGYNY
with birth control, a woman could have sex and not get caught! lord amighty, we can’t have that.
This decision is despicable and spits in the face of every woman, every family, every ob/gyn, everyone who has to make these excruciating medical decisions.
Geez, what a week. Is there any good news anywhere?
Anti-abortions forces have both a direct and indirect approach to overturning Roe. The first is a straightforward reversal of Roe. The second aims to whittle away Roe and to place increasingly onerous restrictions upon it which will make it effectively impossible.
I remember writing a blistering letter to Sen Leahy when he expressed doubts about Roberts but decided to vote for him because only time would tell if Leahy’s doubts were justified. I thought this was horsesh*t at the time and still do. If Leahy couldn’t find an affirmative reason to vote for Roberts, he should have voted against him. I am glad to see Leahy now willing to exercise oversight but he should have started before. The failure to stand up to Roberts paved the way for Alito to slide through. And now as you say, there are consequences.
In response to Matt Stollers post commenting on our so-called “leadership” organizations on the abortion issue:
It may be time to start a sustained campaign for the heads of these organizations. I know we’ve criticized some of them before for this or that, but this is now in a whole new ballgame. It is time to either 1) get credible statements by their leadership (preferably including an endorsement of said statement by their board of directors) that demonstrates that they’ve learned their lesson and who will fricking FIGHT for women’s rights, or call for the installation of new leadership who will.
This decision is as much a testament to their effectiveness as leaders forwarding this issue as anything. This decision is a clarion call that says that if things don’t change, then we can only expect further erosion of our rights. It is not wrong for us to now express our loss of confidence in the leadership here and DEMAND change at the highest levels.
Pat @
25
Because it isn’t about life, it’s about power. Power over a woman’s life and her body. It has never been about anything else.
OT.
And so it begins….
Apr 18, 2007 9:11 am US/Central
Police Prepared To Arrest 3,000 At ‘08 RNC
(AP) St. Paul The Ramsey County sheriff has prepared a $4.4 million budget for security during the 2008 Republican National Convention, with a plan to handle the arrests of as many as 3,000 protesters.
Sheriff Bob Fletcher’s proposal includes money for a possible open-air, fenced detention facility next to the county workhouse, riot equipment and Tasers, and $1.7 million for officers’ overtime.
snip
rawstory link
via Raw Story.
Right, this ruling bans a type of procedure only, the so called “partial birth abortion”. There are other ways to do late term abortions, if necessary.
Jeremius @ 30
Agreed, 100%. What can I do to help?
No more Keenans.
Jeremius @ 30
I agree completely. Nancy Keenan has a lot to answer for.
A wonderful woman named Karen Pearl who used to be president of Planned Parenthood, used to say:
Once you let the government force your health care decisions, it can go either way depending on how the winds shift. If they can legislate to stop you having an abortion, they can legislate to force you to have an abortion.
Chilling, isn’t it? You know before she was born, doctors were telling us that Littleprop was supposed have all sorts of problems and birth defects (never believe ultra sounds–they also said she was over 10 LBS and we needed to induce labor early. I went to term and she was only 6lbs. 7 oz.)I swallowed hard and decided to have her no matter what. But that was MY decision. Nobody elses’s. Not every body is willing or emotionallly able to sign on for something like that.
Can you imagine a world where they could have forced me to abort her b/c they thought (wrongly) she would be a drain on the health care system?
Actually, she is whole and beautiful and smart and funny and perfect. They were completely wrong. But in a world where they can prevent you from having an abortion, they can force you to have an abortion.
It is slavery pure and simple.. Slavery is when someone else has the right to determine what happens to you physically, where you will live, what work you will do, etc. Forcing someone who does not wish to, to carry a child she doe nto want, and to risk the injuy and possible death from childbirth, is slavery.
They were completely wrong
I am tired of conservative practioners (ie. Dr. phamacist Administrators ect…) making the public pay for their convictions. If your values mean so much you, you should pay the price not patients and patients families. No one has to be a OB or hospital administrator or phamacist they just pay well.
Elliot @ 27
About 2 decades ago, 3-4 of us were standing aroung at work gabbing. My then 24-year-old research assistant, apropos of nothing I can remember, said: “It must have been really great after the pill and before AIDS.” I grinned and answered him: “It was.”
That was my coming of age period. I cannot fathom how repressive life has become in the intervening decades.
Just within the last year, one of the South American countries - possibly Venezuela (iirc, which I may not) passed a full ban on ALL abortions for ANY reason.
This includes ectopic pregnancies.
This is what the Pope and his followers would like to see everywhere. Yet another good reason to oppose the current administration’s attempts to impose a theocratic dictatorship.
carolyn urban @ 22
Never use their teminology. They are anti-choice. They aren’t pro anything.
DCR @ 32
Yep. I’m sure the
moralizing weaselslawmakers behind this wonderful law gave great consideration to the instances where this procedure is used and the relative safety and availability of the procedures that are left.Our government is septic. We need to perform an emergency C-section to preserve the lives of Mother Earth and all her children. That would be true pro-life.
Mary McCurnin @ 26
Oh Mary, how terrible that must have been for you (not to mention your partner). I coudln’t even leave your searing words in my quote, just reading them for the frist time was hard enough.
Hey, Frist. I ain’t gonna change my typo. What a smarmy monster. Great diagnosis via TV, asswipe.
DCR @ 32
Not in every case, like the one Christy writes about here. A life was lost that might have been saved because of the dictates of a narrow religious sect.
Pat @
26
Particularly since the same president got a college girlfriend pregnant; the girl had an abortion with the encouragement of the president and his family.
In other words, “The only moral abortion is my abortion.”
These hypocrites and their utterly fraudulent “compassionate conservatism” cannot be removed from office soon enough.
sonate @ 11,
That’s just what happened to me when I had my second stroke. The doctor said I needed an MRI and an expensive blood thinner med; then he found I was uninsured. He said, “You don’t need an MRI and you can take aspirin.”
This was countermanded by a second doctor.
Mary McCurnin @ 27
For some
woman = uterus with legs
Great rocking chair. I believe its copied with slight modifications from one of Sam Maloof’s rockers.
Sewmouse @ 39
Both El Salvador and Nicaragua ban all abortions.
eCAHNomics @ 37
for one brief shining moment… !!!
Basic positions:
Pro-Choice: The federal government has no control over women’s bodies
Pro-Life: Life begins at conception and not at birth
Debate is almost impossible. Never the twain shall meet: Euclid’s parallel postulate.
Elliott @ 9
so many of us really aren’t qualified to hold a serious opinion on this issue, as an adult male, I feel like I’m opining outside my expertise (OK,so maybe that is nothing new) but in this case, the issue belongs to my wife and daughter and sisters.
I can give an opinion, but it would be confused. But I do know that sacrificing a woman’s life to save an unborn child should be just as abhorent to the “pro-lifers” as taking the life of an unborn child in the last trimester just because a woman decides she “doesn’t want it.”
The law is quite clear on this matter, but it is, as it has always been, up to the moral values of the abortion practicioner, to make certain this procedure really is done only under emergency circumstances. In dire situations, it can really be the only check-and-balance system that would apply.
OT, but very important, read this;
By ADAM GELLER
The Associated Press
Wednesday, April 18, 2007; 1:27 PM
BLACKSBURG, Va. — The gunman blamed for the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history had previously been accused of stalking two female students at Virginia Tech and had been taken to a mental health facility in 2005 after an acquaintance worried he might be suicidal, police said Wednesday. Cho Seung-Hui had concerned one woman enough with his calls and e-mail in 2005 that police were called in, said Police Chief Wendell Flinchum.”
So how did this proven stalker manage to buy a gun? “Cho Seung-Hui had concerned one woman enough with his calls and e-mail in 2005 that police were called in,”
if criticizing Bush for lying in his SOTU propaganda event can get you put on a no-fly list, shouldn’t something like this put up some red flags for someone trying to buy a weapon???
And shouldn’t those women whom this killer stalked, have a say, or at least some input, into whether he should have been able to purchase lethal weapons? Just one reference to this maniac’s past might have made a difference to 32 victims and the thousands of lives they touched.
Unfortunately, the profit margin on these pistols is so high, and the NRA/gun corporation propaganda so thoroughly ingrained in our old-west shoot-em-up culture, it would require a basic sea-change in our national psyche to have prevented this tragedy, and many more to come.
Brains all awash are very hard to change.
Legs optional.
Things can change again if those who publicly support these court decisions are exposed for making their own contrary private decisions.
The way I always heard the definition is that life begins at conception & ends at birth.
DCR @ 34
So what is the point? It is rather like saying you can take out a gallbladder this way but not that way. Perhaps the SCOTUS should open a medical school where it can teach court approved medical techniques. Patients will no doubt derive great comfort from the fact that although they are unlikely to survive such quackery it all has the court’s stamp of approval.
Margot @ circa 44
“If government is footing part of the bill, they will quickly decide what level of “care” you can receive.”
That’s just what happened to me when I had my second stroke.
I’m sorry (and appalled). I hope that all turned out OK. This is truly frightening.
Badwater @ 52
Didn’t seem to faze Ginrich a bit. The ability of the extreme right for self serving delusion is vast.
Great post, Christy. I am with you and Jane on this 100% Thank you.
Margot @ 45
My experience with universal health care is that there are less likely to be restrictions on the kind of care you get than what you now have with insurers and HMOs.
Elliott @ 48
(may I continue? tyvm)
… … … that was known as come-a-lot :)
Hugh @ 55
It’s about control via boiling the frog a little at a time.
S.O.S. from MA @ 60
707
I gather you are of that age.
If life begins at conception, then shouldn’t the Republic position be that women must be subjected to government monitoring? If any feritized egg fails to result in the birth of a child, that must be investigated to determine fault. All women must be monitored to know if they are carrying a fertilized egg.
S.O.S. from MA @ 60
(may I continue? tyvm)
… … … that was known as come-a-lot :)
With this Supreme Court we are now saddled with, many in my party, the Democratic Party, do not have clean hands.
The culture battle heats up.
My daughter’s first pregnancy resulted in twins. Except they had no brains. The doctors told her they’d never be able to swallow, to have cognitive function or any kind of motor control. Yet the Bushies believe my daughter should have carried these babies to term. No matter the psychological damage to her. Or to the fact that these babies wouldn’t have “life” as we commonly define it.
The right-wingers take joy in imposing problems and hardships *they* won’t have to live with.
OT - Leahy on CSPAN2…
noen @ 59
He was exposed and did suffer consequences.
eCAHNomics @ 61
:) tnx.
Look at dirt. Older.
Badwater @ 62
That would be a logical way to go. But this isn’t about logic. It’s about power.
Badwater @ 64
They’ve been busy breeding Repubs for years and sending them to places like Regency, so they can control everyone else. Repubkinder.
It’s not the Republicans that throw my switch in the wrong direction. I get from them pretty much what I expect. It’s certain members of my party that sometimes angers me. And I intend to keep the pressure on the Democrats.
twolf1 @ 66
Tnx. I could watch him all day.
S.O.S. from MA @ 68
:) tnx.
Look at dirt. Older.
Dirt isn’t always that old. Especially if there are earthworms about.
;)
pasty old men (and Bible thumping women) have no business dictating reproductive decisions to women.
From the NYT’s:
Pro-Life Nation
By JACK HITT
Published: April 9, 2006
Pro Life Nation Link
eCAHNomics @ 62
707
I gather you are of that age.
That was back in the time of balling
Some Congressional members practice effective birth control - they call the Madam.
Sewmouse @
40
And Smirk hates Chavez? Go figure!! Smirk and Hugo oughta be best buds on that fact alone. Does Pat Robertson know about this? Just goes to show what kind of a tool Patty is.
eCAHNomics @
56
Unless the death of the fetus is due to a lack of prenatal care — then its all about ‘personal responsibility’.
fixed something, not sure what
Culture of corruption/Culture of Death.
This is quoted from Eschaton–4/18
Sitting Democratic Senators who voted for the “we don’t care about womens health:
Lincoln
Pryor
Biden
Carper
Bayh
Landrieu
Conrad
Dorgan
Nelson
Reid
Johnson
Leahy
Byrd
Don’t know if anyone has posted this but found it interesting, surprising, disappointing.
It’s kind of difficult to explain to others - but I feel that, even though I’m personally not comfortable with abortion (and even though the partial-birth type gives me the willies to think about), it’s not my place to demand my personal feelings become the Law Of The Land for everyone.
Especially since I’m male and have no idea whatsoever how a woman might feel about an unwanted pregnancy, or how a doctor would determine whether a woman’s life could be saved with that same operation I’m not comfortable thinking about.
It’s not my place to judge, regardless of how I personally feel, and I don’t hold any woman or doctor in contempt (or even dislike them) for the judgements they make about their body, or the health necessities of their patients.
consider a case where an “older” couple wants a child badly.
the in utero tests indicate the possibility of some genetic defect. genetic testing of the parents confirms this possibility. it is early in the pregnancy, however, there is time to watch and retest.
should the couple wait until “the last possible minute”, as they would most certainly like to do,
getting checks and updates from their obgyn,
before making what will be, for them, a life altering decision,
to continue with the pregnancy or abort it?
this partial-birth ruling by the court, like many right-wing anti-abortion schemes,
takes the decisions out of the hands of those most loving, most concerned, and with the most to lose (either way) - the couple,
and puts it in the hands of the state and its legal system.
not only is it profoundly wrong in terms of morality to take away the decision making powers of the couple and their doctors,
it is stupid from a policy stand point.
post this scotus decision,
what will happen is that abortion decisions will be pushed forward into earlier pregnancy.
parents faced with the possibility a defective child, and the deformed family life it insures, will not risk waiting. they’ll just have an early abortion and start over- bearing, of course, the pain of a decision to soon forced upon them.
how is it, in right wing philosophy,
that “the invisible hand” works so well in economic and business decision making
but works so poorly in family and couple decision making?
just as an aside,
my recollection is that some study or other demonstrated that, when it comes to downs syndrome babies, there is no difference in preference for abortions between “ordianry” folk and fundamentalist christians.
Christy, thank you for posting this story. There have been so few of them over the past few years that dramatize the “other side” of the so-called debate on so-called partial birth abortion.
Over the past few years, I’ve found myself explaining cases similar to the one you posted about to generally well informed pro-choice friends who supported the ban on intact dilation and extraction. “Our side” had done such a poor job in defending its position that it was news to them that anything other than bad timing could lead to a late term abortion using IDE.
We need to publish more and more of these sad terrible stories. Get it on Teevee, talk fearlessly like Elizabeth Edwards with her cancer. And vote, vote, vote.
Culture of life…better lose a mother than to thwart God’s will (obviously she had to atone for some sin else it wouldn’t have come down to this horrible situation). Much, much better to flush unneeded blastocysts than to compromise their dignity by harvesting stem cells. Jesus wept.
sonate @
58
It did turn out all right, because of the intervention of a nurse and a doctor from Africa, one of the hospitalists, who was also appalled. They called a social worker who helped out. Thank you for your kind words; I was kind of shocked at the time. I had worked at the hospital for years.
carolyn urban @ 22
Amen.
Biodun @
52
We need no debate on this and related issues. The Theocratic Fascists are in direct contradiction with the intent of the Founding Fathers, yeah well there were some women involved also although they didn’t get any credit, as I spell out in my ‘Blogging against Theocracy’ post here……….
These folks must be pushed from the public square as they are the enemies of our nation’s essential freedoms.
No compromise is needed.
They are wrong in law and morally bankrupt to boot.
OT: Hey, Senator Pat Leahy just finished a great speech about Judicial security post-VT. But while enjoying it, a teenchy worry occurred to me… Howcum he isn’t prepping and cramming as intensively for tomorrow’s session as Gonzo is said to be doing?
… and then I realized, no worries; he isn’t planning to lie a lot, and telling the truth is always SO much less complex.
How does Bush jibe “Sanctity of Life” with his laughter at Tanya Fay Tucker’s pleas for life? How does he justify the fact that TX hospitals can end life support for patients who can’t pay? Goddamn him to the hottest Hell.
My contempt for Joe Lieberman . . .
. . . fuels my desire to hold some feet to the fire.
NARAL.
Senate Democrats.
House Democrats.
I don’t expect Republicans to stand up to Bush, but I am appalled that some Democrats rolled over for him. I want progressive primary opponents against those who voted for Alito.
And I want them to win by large, large margins.
SusanD @ 95
Culture of Life is really Culture of Control.
Peterr @ 96