First of all, let me offer my most heartfelt condolences to the families and friends of everyone killed or injured at Virginia Tech yesterday, and all my well wishes and positive thoughts for the wounded and everyone else who had to suffer through the madness, fear and chaos. And I apologize in advance for the wingnut-bashing, but this is really just appalling and insane, and if I don't say something about it now, I probably never will.
Here's Instapundit's immediate reaction to the shootings (all emphasis added):
These things do seem to take place in locations where it's not legal for people with carry permits to carry guns, though, and I believe that's the case where the Virginia Tech campus is concerned. I certainly wish that someone had been in a position to shoot this guy at the outset.
..."A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly." That's unfortunate. Had the bill passed, things might have turned out differently, though we'll never know now.
Confederate Yankee (via LG&M):
Would the number of students shot at Virginia Tech today have been lower if student there were allowed to take a training class, get a permit, and carry a concealed weapon on campus? There is of course not way to be sure. I do think it is obvious that an armed student or faculty member could have at least made taking their lives a far more difficult.
Michelle Malkin (via The Kenosha Kid, who also quotes an NYT story on "contagious shooting," which is pretty much exactly what it sounds like):
Andrew's Dad, noting a recent editorial from Va. Tech's university relations vice president arguing against allowing students to carry in self-defense on campus, blogs:
Just imagine if students were armed. We no longer need to imag[in]e what will happen when they are not armed.(...)
Reader Kevin e-mails: "Imagine if sensible CCW laws allowed people to defend themselves, this tragedy could have been avoided."
Yes, that's right - the only solution to gun violence is... more people walking around with guns.
The right wing doesn't even bother to stake out a status quo argument (as the White House did) like "the laws we have are fine, they just need to be enforced" (as if "shouldn't have" is somehow just as good as "couldn't" or "didn't"). No, they go all the way over into Crazyland and argue that there aren't enough students walking around with guns. As if your average college kid with a gun is going to make good decisions when everyone's panicky and running around and no-one knows what's going on.
More likely they'd be so amped up with fear and adrenaline and macho that they'd get themselves killed trying to be the hero, or shoot some innocent bystander because they "thought he had a gun," or because he fit some rumored description of the shooter, or maybe because he was another wannabe hero shooting at an innocent bystander. Tragedy Plus Guns does not actually equal Less Tragedy. (Also, would right wing bloggers be saying the same thing about Columbine? Because the only thing better than college students with guns would be high school students with guns.)
This is a window into the right wing's juvenile fantasy world, where they like to imagine themselves in the role of the Courageous American Hero who saves the day. But, of course that would be dangerous, so the next best thing is to try to create the conditions for such heroism, so that they may bask in its reflected glory (See Also: How We Got Into Operation Iraqi Fuckup). Enabling the hero is almost as good as being the hero, and a lot safer!
When I thought about that last night, I never dreamed that I would see actual proof. And then I saw this, by way of Atrios and Wonkette:
Spirit of Self-Defense [John Derbyshire]
As NRO's designated chickenhawk, let me be the one to ask: Where was the spirit of self-defense here? Setting aside the ludicrous campus ban on licensed conceals, why didn't anyone rush the guy? It's not like this was Rambo, hosing the place down with automatic weapons. He had two handguns for goodness' sake—one of them reportedly a .22.
At the very least, count the shots and jump him reloading or changing hands. Better yet, just jump him. Handguns aren't very accurate, even at close range. I shoot mine all the time at the range, and I still can't hit squat. I doubt this guy was any better than I am. And even if hit, a .22 needs to find something important to do real damage—your chances aren't bad.
Yes, yes, I know it's easy to say these things: but didn't the heroes of Flight 93 teach us anything? As the cliche goes—and like most cliches. It's true—none of us knows what he'd do in a dire situation like that. I hope, however, that if I thought I was going to die anyway, I'd at least take a run at the guy.
They really do think like that, and they get all pissy when reality inevitably lets them down.
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derbyshire KO’s worst person in the world tonight…
Zed?
Doing the Zed Dance. teeheehee
jayt @
2
Hey, mine too!
Life is just a movie, after all. We shoot, the director yells “cut!” and we jump right up and wipe off the fake blood. Just like Die Hard.
Don’t get Zedhead, lolo.
masaccio @ 6
I don’t even shoot people with my camera…
Nope. Oh well, now to read. But before I do and just based on the title:
Isn’t right-wing-action-hero an oxymoron? I mean we don’t see many from the right wing actually doing anything heroic ya know?
dakine01 @ 9
I think the post (and photo) makes it pretty clear.
I thought picture was mancow that hideous rightwig diskjockey who used to appear regularly on Faux
Why in the world would someone feel the need to own a semi-automatic weapon? Actually, now that I think about, there are some who own surplus military tanks and rocket launchers.
katherine graham cracker @ 11
For all I know, he might be - I just found it on the internets after I decided against my “The Gun Is Good” idea.
jayt @ 2
I worship Keith Olbermann.
Eli @ 13
Zardoz! The ultimate expression and distillation of right-wing thought.
Phoenix Woman @ 15
I especially like the part where the rain of guns comes spewing out of Zardoz’s mouth and he tells them to “Go forth… and kill.”
I read Instasspundits’s remarks yesterday. These others aren’t too surprising. People who make these kinds of remarks ought to join the Army and see the world.
Shooty shooty bang bang!
Why don’t all these wannabe Rambo’s enlist and go actually fight in Iraq? They think they can save the world, why not actually do it?
Oh, yeah, ’cause they’re chickenhawks.
AZ Matt @ 17
I love Clark’s line about right-wingers who love guns: “They should join the Army. We have them.”
Yet in ABC tv’s poll, 50,000 out of 70,000 people said they think this incident does NOT make it important to get better gun control.
You can still vote: look for the link in the sidebar of this page
if I were there, I’m sure that, while diving for cover and seeing people dying around me, *I’d* be counting the shots… - right.
One small problem though might be that I would have no idea how many bullets are supposed to be in a clip, what kind of gun was being shot at me, how many more guns he had, etc.
In addition to being “worst person in the world”, I nominate him for “most likely to be the first to shit himself”.
I’m sure armed college students would go over really well when people start getting drunk at frat parties and the like.
Vonnegut was right. People feeling so alone in the world is a large contributor to our ills…
MS @ 20
Oy. We *are* talking about ABC, though. They’re pretty far in the tank.
Eli @ 19
I have a nephew who joined the Air Force who being deployed to Iraq, seconded to help the Army guard prisoners as an MP. That was not what he joined for but he will be getting one of those Army guns.
jayt @ 21
Counting shots implies somehow you would know how many rounds were in the magazine and how many had been fired, ridiculous.
AZ Matt @ 24
Jeez, that’s awful. Sounds like another indication of troop-level desperation, too.
How can anyone “luv” guns? I don’t understand
Have any of these assholes ever been in the service or the P.D. or even the fucking EMT/FD?
I have zero patience for this shit today.
Every asshole on the planet is trying to score cheap political points off this tragedy.
Thank God for TiVo.
My comments keep getting posted way up in the 30’s is this punishment?
Any more wars will of necessity have to be fought with nuclear weapons.
This 23 year old had mental problems. He was on medication. Aren’t there laws prohibiting mental patients from buying guns???? No one is saying whether it is another P*x*l death or some other SSRI*. Has this been addressed today at all I have been out of the loop today.
lolo
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
I have brother who is gun collector. He loves the history of some his pieces. If I remember right you, like I, like trains. Different things interest different people.
Eli @ 16
Or when the guy playing Zardoz tells Zed: “I bred you! I led you!”
To which Zed replies: “You were bred and led yourself.”
raven @ 25
One of my all-time favorite Adam West Batman moments was when he and Robin were crouched behind a little folding bulletproof glass bat-shield and slowly advancing on the villains, who were shooting at them with a machine gun. Batman inexplicably whips the shield down just as the shooting stops:
“Holy steeljackets [or whatever], Batman! How did you know they would stop shooting at us?”
“I’ve been counting their bullets.”
Reading all the bluster by the arm chair commandos, it is quite obvious that NONE of them have ever been in a position to KNOW how they would respond. Few of us have.
Derbyshire actual hits it, though in a way he probably doesn’t comprehend when he says:
He hopes he would be a hero. I am skeptical myself. And I do not exempt myself at all from my statement. Like Derbyshire, I’ve always hoped that if I’m ever in a horrendous situation, that I will respond appropriately. But I have also understood that sometimes it is not the physical courage but it is the time when the moral courage is required that can be the most troubling. Too many of the arm chair commandos, the Fighting Keyboardists of teh 101 Pundit Brigade, really are clueless on what courage is. (climbing down off my soap box now).
lolo @ 31
Simple. He was in the State of Virginia, which has just about the laxest gun laws in the nation. They damn near sell the things in Cracker Jack boxes.
raven @ 29
Someone joined the military and didn’t get what they signed up for, astounding!
Not even the branch he joined. Vandenberg AFB is not an MP training center.
Enabling the hero is almost as good as being the hero, and a lot safer!
defend the right to
bearbare arm(chair)s!Just imagine if students had paid taxes. We no longer need to imag[in]e what will happen when they had their taxes cut.
Hugh @ 32
katherine graham cracker @ 26
Tweety’s verision of the gun control question
“Everything is the Democrats fault.”
He also said that shooting up old cars with AK-47s was just benign fun. Somehow I don’t see this as much of an argument for permitting people to own AK-47s, but then again Matthews is an idiot.
To Hugh…From Kathleen
I beg to differ. Matthews has been one of the only mainstreamers who has been consistently challenging the neo-cons. He has been doing so ever since he realized that he was duped by the Bush administrations WMD lies as well as half of the American population. Matthews has asked some of the hardest, most challenging questions in regard to the endlessly repeated claims being made by the “cakewalk in Iraq” psychopaths about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program. (deja vu)
I have watched Matthews get so angry about these claims its as if steam is coming out of his ears and fire out of his nose. He is pissed about the lies that led our nation into a needless war based on false intelligence. I have heard him challenge Frum, Kristol and many others with hard driving and logical questions. He often refers to the right wing radicals as the “best and the brightest” in a very sarcastic tone.
He was one of the very first mainstreamers to go into Walter Reed to visit the injured soldiers. I believe his show broadcast for days out of Reed. It is obvious from his expressions that he is really moved, concerned and pissed off that these young lives have been so devastated by this ‘war of choice”
I may not agree with everything that Matthews says, but if you had really been listening to him over the last four years, you would have heard a shift and been witness to what I am saying about Matthews.
He has learned some of the lessons from the MSM’s failure to do their job by challenging the Bush administrations endless claims about WMD’s in Iraq in the run-up to the invasion.
Too bad that Matthews was not listening to the Diane Rehms show before the invasion he would have heard many of her guest (Brezinski, Ritter, General Zinni and many more question the intelligence, wisdom and need of pre-emptively invading Iraq.
OT ~ Could this be why there’s been talk of retirement?
AZ Matt @ 32
I own guns too. ;0)
Eli @ 26
Yeah, one of the major reasons I had for joining the USAF back when was knowing it was mostly ocifers getting their a**es shot at. Not good times, as we get the message reinforced each day.
Repugs believe in the culture of life! Guns, gas, tax cuts, pollution and Iraq! And they’ve added corruption and vote rigging.
Georgesimian @ 44
Or as I call it, the Culture Of Lifeiness.
punaise @ 38
I’ll defend your right to arm bears.
AZ Matt @ 17
When I was a kid, there was a cartoon titled “There Oughtta Be a Law.” This sounds like a good one.
Phoenix Woman @ 36
That’s true (full disclosure, I’m a Virginian! but I hate guns!) But the law here sez you can’t buy more than one gun a month. Nice.
LoudounLib @ 48
Yeah, maybe that bought 32 people an extra month of life. Hooray.
Stuff happens.
The ABC online Poll
Do you think this incident is a reason to pass stricter gun control legislation?
No. Violent shootings are isolated incidents and it’s irresponsible to link them to gun control.
58,144
Yes. This shows the violence that can occur when someone has access to handguns.
21,990
I’m not sure. I need more information.
1,645
Total Vote: 81,779
Not a scientific survey.
Hi, gang! I just got back from the DC YearlyKos fundraiser, hangin’ with Russ Feingold and Jon Tester and Brad Miller and John Hall and Jerry McNerney! *G*
Much kudos was given to FDL, especially from Hall and McNerney!
I will probably get pummeled for this, but here goes:
While the type wing-nut comments about “arming everyone” will-nilly are completely absurd, and laughable, a solution - or two, or three - to try and put a damper on this type mentally deranged shooter should be the solutions most effective to make sure this does not happen again.
In my mind, run-away depression drugs for adolescents and young adults who are having problems; Rabid “social hate” from young peers who see someone as “different.”; and teevee/video games based on violence, numbing them against real human pain, all should play a more major roll in solutions to impede the environment where this sort of tragedy can happen.
For example; I lived in metro Denver for a couple of years after Columbine. Today, you cannot find anyone in that school who does not take it very seriously to not promulgate “kid hate” for someone who appears different, or who is a loner, or quiet. Most work very hard to make sure everyone has dignity and feels accepted.
The most effective solutions are not those requiring more government regulation, but those that delve into the environment and culture which grows socially aberrant behavior. As the earlier post pointed out in 1927, the killer of 45 innocent young people in Michigan, did not need a gun to carry out his twisted fantasies.
Okay. Now, pummel away!
Redshift @ 52
I thought it seemed kinda quiet around here…
Yes, because we need to have more 18-22 year-old, alcohol-laced, testosterone-inspired college kids with semi-automatic handguns at their immediate beck-and-call to aid in the resolution problems on campus. Uh-huh.
A police office was quoted on the internets today as coming down against the idea of having armed kids on campus, his reason? It would be hard to tell who was a “good guy” and who was a “bad guy” if everyone had a gun when they arrived on a scene littered with bodies, blood and shell-casings. Good point. Derbyshire, The Ole Instacracker et al will, I am sure disagree; citing Scalia’s faith in the prescience of police officers to discern evil-doers on sight.
Jeebus. Teh Stoopid.
dakine01 @ 46
Now that would be sport. Give the bear and the human say an Uzi or an AK-47 or some such, and send them into to the woods with the admonishment; may the best animal win.
Eli @ 34
My favorite Superman was where they bad guy was shooting Superman and the bullets were bouncing off Superman’s chest. When the bad guy runs out of bullets he throws the gun at Superman. Yeah; that’ll help!
Puesto @ 53
Not sure what there is to pummel…
Redshift, Tell us everything!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04.....r=1&hp" rel="nofollow"> What was this kid thinking about? There are no indications” said a federal law enforcement official, who asked not to be identified. “There are no indications. Nothing in the past, nothing to indicate that this kid had a propensity to this behavior in any way shape or form.”
There were just the snippets of a lonely young life: prescription medicines, ominous notes and newly bought guns.
Nah
23 year olds kids need semi-automatics
and should be allowed to carry them concealed on college campuses
the mind reels
unsafe happens
Helen @ 57
Hey, it could have been, like, a kryptonite gun or something.
from the opinion page of the australian newspaper 17 april(murdoch owned)(abridged)
the latest massacre at Vir Tech in the US comes as no surprise.
if students know anything about US foreign policy since ww2, they have only to recall names such as Guatemala,Vietnam,Cambodia,Dominican Republic,
El Salvador,Cuba,Chile,Nicaragua,Grenada,
Libya,Yugoslavia,Haiti,Afghanistan,Iraq,to know that if you don’t like someone you either bomb the hell out of the,machine gun them to death,or sell someone else the weapons to do it for you.
the latest US campus massacre highlights dangers of living in that gun mad society,bearing out again that tragically correct truism that to live in the land of the free and the brave you may not end up being free,but you certainly have got to be brave.
.Oklahoma kiddo @
12
A gun is a phallic symbol like no other, especially when it is spewing hot bullets. Lots of guys who feel the need to own guns have male identity problems. They think owning guns defines them as virile males, the more powerful the better.
The need for self-defense is just the pretext. Most so-called sports hunters have never tracked a wild beast bigger than a turkey, much less stand their ground when charged by Rhino.
And it has nothing to do with ethnicity. It’s a male thing.
dreamcatcher @ 64
At least Hunter Thompson was honest about his love for guns. He just liked to blow sh*t up.
Good News about Israel being open to negotiations with Arab nations
http://www.ynetnews.com/articl.....55,00.html
I usually read blogs, not write to them, but your words on guns tonight got to me.
A shooter recently went through a mall in Salt Lake City killing people. An off duty policeman from a nearby town was in a restaurant with his wife. He heard the shots and told his wife to call 911 and to describe what he was wearing so the responding officers would not mistake him for the killer. He was carrying his service revolver and he pursued the killer while the Salt Lake City police responded. There was much confusion and reports of two men with guns and many people claimed there were two killers. If more people had been carrying guns — particularly those without extensive, regularly updated training, many more people would have been killed because they wouldn’t know who was the killer and who was the officer in plain clothes pursuing the killer.
More guns in the hands of people without extensive training and law enforcement skills will not improve security.
Thank you for commenting, Utah Ute.
As the story goes, they had to flush out John Wilkes Boothe by setting fire to the barn in which he was hiding. When he ran out, he was shot, apparently losing the use of his hands. His last words, as he held up his hands, were “useless, useless.”
I think about that all the time, especially now. I’d like to think he wasn’t talking specifically about losing the use of his hands, but making a more general statement.
Another stupid fuck who fucked it up for everybody. Useless.
dreamcatcher @
64
As I said last night …. most spree killers are men. And the men are the ones who seem to want semi-auto guns. So the answer seems obvious …. get rid of the men!
Incremental changes to gun laws can’t prevent this type of thing.
I’m not a gun supporter, but we just have to face the fact that someone who would kill 32 other people in cold blood won’t be stopped by restricting guns. You would need to essentially eliminate guns from the country. And that’s not feasible here.
That said, I highly doubt that having 15% of your students carrying guns would have made this all better. It’s likely that two “heros” would have eventually shot each other in panic.
In wingnut world, all the bad guys come with arcade designators over their head indicating they are the proper targets.
In reality, if everyone is armed, who are you supposed to shoot? And more importantly, who are the police SWAT teams supposed to shoot if they can’t tell one gunner from another?
dreamcatcher @ 64
Right on! It’s all about power vs powerlessness.
Feel powerless, add some low self esteem, denigrated by peers, ignored by parents, school officials, etc. get some drugs from the corporate drug peddlers as a “quick fix” where no one has to spend any time communicating - VOILA! Mass murderer born and bred by the culture.
If he doesn’t have access to guns, he’ll find something. Lizzy Borden had an axe.
dakine01 @ 65
dreamcatcher @ 64
.Oklahoma kiddo @
12
Why in the world would someone feel the need to own a semi-automatic weapon? Actually, now that I think about, there are some who own surplus military tanks and rocket launchers.
A gun is a phallic symbol like no other, especially when it is spewing hot bullets. Lots of guys who feel the need to own guns have male identity problems. They think owning guns defines them as virile males, the more powerful the better.
The need for self-defense is just the pretext. Most so-called sports hunters have never tracked a wild beast bigger than a turkey, much less stand their ground when charged by Rhino.
And it has nothing to do with ethnicity. It’s a male thing.
At least Hunter Thompson was honest about his love for guns. He just liked to blow sh*t up.
Another gun lover and writer, Ernest Hemingway, who displayed his masculinity like a sheriff’s badge, put a barrel in his mouth and blew his own head off. That was his ultimate macho act.
Yes. This morning on KSFO Lee Rodgers read a letter calling the students vicitim wimps because they didn’t rush the kid.
And the lines on the neocons, “We need more guns!” Brian Sussman. the neocon, theocon.
“Too bad it was a gun free zone!” they say.
And Melanie Morgan? She bitched that the Brady Center was asking for donations if you went there to sign a petition.
She thought it was disgusting that they were taking advantage of this death for profit. (Of course she raised money on the war dead with her group MAF all the time.)
I wanted to scream, the Brady center? Who are they? Sarah Brady and Jim Brady. Remember him? He took a BULLET for your hero REAGAN!
You OWE him! If it wasn’t for Brady your god, RR, would be dead. Show some GD respect!
These people just have to push their points now because they know that now is the time that people will again ask, “Why? Can’t we do something? Do we have to arm everyone?”
jello5929 @ 71
I purposely avoided muddying the waters with an argument about gun control - I know there are a lot of progressives who believe in the 2nd Amendment.
I personally don’t like it, and don’t believe there’s *any* good reason to make guns easy to buy, especially without requiring any kind of background check.
Texas Betsy @ 70
dreamcatcher @
64
.Oklahoma kiddo @
12
Why in the world would someone feel the need to own a semi-automatic weapon? Actually, now that I think about, there are some who own surplus military tanks and rocket launchers.
A gun is a phallic symbol like no other, especially when it is spewing hot bullets. Lots of guys who feel the need to own guns have male identity problems. They think owning guns defines them as virile males, the more powerful the better.
The need for self-defense is just the pretext. Most so-called sports hunters have never tracked a wild beast bigger than a turkey, much less stand their ground when charged by Rhino.
And it has nothing to do with ethnicity. It’s a male thing.
As I said last night …. most spree killers are men. And the men are the ones who seem to want semi-auto guns. So the answer seems obvious …. get rid of the men!
Uhhh.. then we might have a bunch of spawns running around at the day care center suspiciously resembling dildos!
For my money, we’ve got too many plastic looking bots among the bushies. Let’s keep the men and look for another fix… Did I say I am a male?
Puesto @ 73
True, but he wouldn’t have been able to kill 32 people with an axe.
(Should college students be allowed to carry axes? Discuss.)
I said that my idea was obvious, not that it was the best one out there!
Loner Heroes is more like the right-wing model.
In this case, it’s beginning to look like Cho cooked-off in a mindspace all his own - private content derived from his past, his fantasies and current relationship difficulties - and he took horrific action with guns.
So, what do the gun goons do?
None of them show any understanding for Cho’s situation, but all of them respond by projecting their own private mindspace back on him as a call to horrific action - more guns.
Instapundit, Confederate Yankee, Malkin and Derbyshire need Cho like TV needs violence - it’s a fantasy of choice that sees guns and ’shooters’ everywhere.
In a free society, it’s a sick mind that makes a gun part of the solution.
The armchair warriors should read more before they condemn… Students barricaded doors with their feet, and one professor died blocking his students from attack, a 76-yr-old Holocaust survivor. (That’s a BBC page with bios of some of the victims. They’ve got several different stories, as well as pics of the memorial services.)
Even though I do have very strong views about gun control (rather different from those of InstaPundit), I share the feelings of many (reading here) that it’s worth taking time and space just to mourn the awful thing that happened.
(CNN) — A year and a half before before Cho Seung-Hui went on a deadly shooting spree on the campus of Virginia Tech, a professor was so concerned about his anger that she took him out of another teacher’s creative writing class and taught him one-on-one.
The former chairwoman of Virginia Tech’s English department, Lucinda Roy, said the anger Cho expressed was palpable if not explicit.
Cho, an English major, never wrote about guns or killing people,, she said. But his writing was disturbing enough that she went to police and other university officials to seek help. (Watch the professor tell how her student frightened her Video)
“The threats seemed to be underneath the surface,” she said. “They were not explicit and that was the difficulty the police had.”
“My argument was that he seemed so disturbed that we needed to do something about this.”
Kathleen @ 66
I remain skeptical. What does Israel mean by “moderation”? I doubt it includes a Palestinian homeland. If it was right to grant a homeland to the Jewish people in 1948, why then is not right to afford the same dignity to the Palestinian people today? Of course I realize I am probably not aquainted with all the dynamics.
“Olmert expected to tell Abbas in Jerusalem that Israel may participate in meetings of work groups set up by Arab League to advance peace process; ‘Israel rejects Saudi peace initiative, but welcomes moderation displayed by Arab countries in Riyadh summit,’ Prime Minister’s Office official says.”
Puesto @ 53
You just proved the NRA’s point (I’m not sure they will make it, though). Give one of these poor depressed kids a gun, let him blow away a half dozen to a dozen of his classmates, and after that, they’ll think different about making fun of kids like him. Makes sense. I expect Michelle will be making the same point very soon.
They limit free speech, so they might as well limit guns.
Here’s a wild thought, instead of trying to restrict guns, restrict and regulate the ammo.
Make them fill out mandatory paper work for every round bought and fired. If the cops and feds have to do it, why not the rest of the armed public?
Let the NRA complain all they want, the Second amendment only covers the guns, not the bullets.
People kill people. American people kill more people with guns than anyone in the world.
Eli @ 78
Odd that you say this, because the Chicago Sun Times reported that Cho had written in red ink on his arm, the words “Ismail Ax.”
The reference here may be the Ishmael, the son of Abraham, who I think took an ax to his enemies or whatever (don’t trust me too much on this).
And macho men George and Dick have the biggest gun on the planet. Somewhat scary.
OK. Serious response this time.
I work in a high school in a rough part of town and try to ignore the great likelihood that one or more of the students may be armed. The campus police (from 6th-12 grade buildings) are armed.
I think that no gun other than the rifle has any place in our culture and I’d rather see a ban on all of them. That is somewhat negotiable in my mind. I would CERTAINLY support and work for a ban on assault weapons.
I long ago made peace with gun nuts. I don’t have one, and don’t want one. I despise the NRA and its nutcases who agree with Derbyshire. They have corrupted the political discourse on guns to the point that we are reduced to arguing that people shouldn’t be allowed to carry concealed guns into Churches and Schools. They won.
I see the mass murder at Virginia Tech as the results of this “victory”. The dead kids and their dead professors are part of the deadly price we pay so that the precious right to own guns is not in any way burdened. Total price last year: approximately 31,800 dead people.
I hope it was worth it to all the Second Amendment purists.
But, it’s certain to happen, given that we cannot find all the nuts, and even if we could, I doubt we could stop them from getting guns. So, I have a bit of trouble with all the talk about how sad it is, especially because I know it isn’t going to change, and most people will forget it soon enough.
The Washington Nationals are wearing Hokie hats tonight.
Here’s an idea. Let’s have a reasonable drug policy. That would go further towards getting automatic weapons off the street than gun control.
Guns, guns, and more guns.
Why not just make school uniforms of kevlar manditory..
1. I never cease to amaze at the boys such as identified by Mr. Eli. These boys are oh so brave, yet not a one of them has ever had a bullet in anger fired at them. They know nothing of the sweat, the fear, and the adrenalin. But on they jabber…usually those types are the ones who first piss their pants in real encounters.
2. I sure wish something would be done about handguns. These things seem to do a lot of killing and are insidious. I STRONGLY favor the 2nd Amendment; but define it as meaning rifles and shotguns. I own several shotguns. But a handgun has far more potential for mischief than for any bonafide purpose. Let the cops have handguns, but keep them out of the hands of most everyone else.
Ghostman
Eli @ 78
Well, let’s not put Descartes before the horse. Only abscissies can’t be ordinated.
Oh crap, where is Punaise? Bueller??
here are a few articles about the A*P*C investigation/trial. Very little about this in the U.S. MSM
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/p.....&art=1
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow.....judge.html
Hello MSNBC Matthews and Olbermann when are you folks going to have the chutzpah to start reporting about this investigation, the 4 delays and the upcoming trial on your programs? If it were any other country(Ireland, France, Russia) other than Israel who is “allegedly” involved in this espionage trial you cowards would be all over this investigation and upcoming trial.
We have only heard a whisper out of Matthews about the case, nothing out of Olbermann
You chicken shits!