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Paul Kiel at The Muck has an interesting post this morning, riffing off some comments made in a NYTimes article about the clashing understanding of oversight and disclosure between Congress and Fred Fielding in the White House Counsel's office. Paul has graciously posted a copy of the Fielding response letter to Sen. Leahy and Rep. Conyers, and there are a couple of sections that I want to highlight for everyone this morning, because I think they are dispositive of a number of things, not the least of which is the overwhelming contempt that the Bush White House has for anyone who is not a Bushie and who would dare to question them. To wit:
Although it consists of individual components, the proposal reflects a unified offer that, if accepted, would result in your Committees receiving a significant amount of information. We, therefore, respectfully decline your suggestion to immediately produce the documents that we are prepared to release as part of a carefully and thoughtfully considered package of accommodations designed to avoid shifting the dispute to ground on which we need not tread. With all respect, your suggestion fails to credit fully the extraordinary nature of the disclosure we are prepared ot provide, and might even prolong this dispute which the President is seeking to resolve in the most expeditious manner possible.
Allow me to translate the legalese for you: Mr. Fielding is using felicitous language to tell Mssrs. Leahy and Conyers to go Cheney themselves. The President does not want them getting their hands on this information quickly due to, one would assume, the need to comb over every sentence for potentially politically damaging information contained therein, so that a WH strategy to counter it might be put into place. (Read: Rove would like his ass covered, thank you very much.) Mr. Fielding is, therefore, threatening to litigate this matter of discovery through the courts rather than hand over relevant discovery to Congress -- and threatens to do so pretty much up front here.
But it is a hollow bluff. And here is why: Mr. Fielding knows, as do any attorneys who are looking at this with an honest eye, that Executive Privilege will not apply to any e-mails which were sent on RNC servers. Nor does it apply to any e-mails sent between staffers. And, therefore, unless the communication is directly with George W. Bush, it is not privileged and is subject to discovery by Congress for the legitimate purposes of oversight. But wait, there is >more from Mr. Fielding:
At the end of your March 28 letter, you raised an additional question regarding the scope of the document production we are prepared to make as part of the total accommodation outlined in the March 20 letter. We are aware that certain e-mail accounts supplied by the Republican National Committee may have been used by White House officials in sending or receiving e-mails that might fall within the production contemplated in our letter. Please be assured that it ws and remains our intention to collect e-mails and documents from those accounts as well as the official White House e-mail and document retention system, for production under the terms we outlined.We continue to believe that the accommodation we offered on March 20, in addition to what the Department of Justice has and will porvide, will satisfy the Committees' interests. It is hoped that upon reflection you may concur in that conclusion.
Sen. Chuck Schumer is quoted in the NYTimes article as saying the WH response is "We are stonewalling." That is exactly how the end of the letter reads to me. Fred Fielding is an accomplished and experienced counsel, who has a long history of doing just that for his clients, including the Nixon Administration. He was brought into this White House at the start of the Democrats' tenure in charge of the Congress for a reason. And his skill at stalling with a polite but firm tone is at the top of his list of qualifications.
But Fred Fielding's letter has been outstripped by events on the ground in this matter. The revelation that the RNC had to set up a special protocol for Karl Rove's e-mails -- because they kept disappearing off the RNC server during the course of a criminal investigation in which Mr. Rove was embroiled at the time (hello, Mr. Fitzgerald, and how are you this morning?) raises all sorts of uncomfortable questions that start -- and end -- with obstruction of justice.
Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
Mr. Feilding having worked for the Nixon Administration, I am certain that he is more than familiar with the various statutory provisions for criminal prosecution for obstruction under federal law.
More from the WaPo and the LATimes, including this from the LATimes article:
Some of the e-mails were sent by the White House over special electronic communications links established by the RNC to handle political matters. Using government computers for such e-mails could violate federal laws governing presidential records and could threaten White House claims of executive privilege to shield internal documents from congressional scrutiny.Rove, a political strategist who has become among the most influential presidential advisors in recent history, has encouraged Cabinet-agency political appointees to pay close attention to electoral politics when making policy and other decisions, and his role is at the heart of the investigations being pushed by congressional Democrats.
Immediately after Kelner briefed investigators Thursday, Waxman sent a letter to every Cabinet secretary asking them to preserve all e-mails received from any White House official who used accounts maintained by the RNC or any "other nongovernment account."
Leahy and Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the ranking Republican on the judiciary panel, wrote a letter to White House Counsel Fred F. Fielding asking that the White House establish an "objective process for investigating this matter, including the use of a mutually trusted computer-forensic expert."
Also Thursday, Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and Rep. Linda T. Sanchez (D-Lakewood), chairwoman of the panel's administrative law subcommittee, wrote to RNC Chairman Robert M. "Mike" Duncan, demanding "prompt delivery" by next week of all e-mails stored by the RNC related to the firing of the eight U.S. attorneys.
This needs to be done exactly by the book. The WH needs to be treated with the same care and courtesy any potential defendant in any criminal investigation might be treated when there is a suspician of tampering with evidence and of obstructing a lawful investigation. No more and no less. The White House and its staff are subject to the same laws and regulations as every other American. They are neither above the law, nor are they exempt from whatever provisions they happen to find constricting.
For far too long, Karl Rove and his political minions have been given the run of the White House to pull whatever dirty trick was necessary out of their hat to win elections. But an election is not just about winning -- it is also about governing and about setting an example for the nation to follow. The Bush White House is an abysmal failure in that regard -- and the pendulum of public opinion has swung back to a need for sunshine in the dark crevices of corruption and hubris. It is well past time for Mr. Rove to answer for his many, many sins against the principles upon which this nation was founded.
UPDATE: I had e-mailed Patrick Fitzgerald's spokesperson last night to see if he had any comment on Mr. Rove's alleged deletion of e-mails from the RNC server during the time that the investigation would have been ongoing. I just got a response from Randall Samborn that, indeed, the office was aware of the reporting on this matter, that he had received not only my questions but a number of others from news organizations, but that he would be "declining comment (of course) to questions about this matter." I expected this, but I wanted to quote Randy exactly once I got his "no comment." If and when I get any further update or news from Mr. Fitzgerald's office, I will of course share it with you guys.
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Oversight!
Fitz!!
Frogmarch!
Morning, Christy!
Christy,
What law will Fred Fielding cite when he says “9/11 changed everything”?
-GSD
Morning all! No idea what caused the graphic hiccup at the top, but I’ve reloaded the photo and it’s showing fine for me now. If you were having trouble seeing it, try refreshing.
From Fielding’s letter: “It is hoped that upon reflection you may concur in that conclusion.”
“It is hoped?” What is it with the passive voice and the White House?
As I said on the last thread, somebody seems not to appreciate the reality that “subpoena” does NOT mean “time to negotiate,” let alone “time to negotiate in bad faith.” It means “cough ‘em up, asshole.” No more, no less, no other.
GSD @ 6
I don’t know if he’ll cite it, but the Law of Diminishing Returns applies here, as (of course) does Murphy’s Law.
Peterr @ 8
Oh, you know…dodging responsibility. What else would it be with these guys?
Right on, Christy!
The political “feudal” system that Rove is building for BushCo must come down.
My bold.
You don’t make the terms there buddy, you jump. High.
The question I’ve had since the WH spokesweasel implied that the emails had been “lost” because individual WH staffers had deleted them, is this: Even if the system was set up (via IMAP or whatever) so that the emails were deleted off the server and were not backed up or recoverable from somewhere (doubtful), the server would still have a record of who deleted them and when. A nice list of attempts to delete emails, after a congressional investigation had expressly required that they be preserved, might at least mean we’d have to hear less of the “no evidence of wrongdoing” spin while investigators are digging further.
There are so many tips of so many icebergs with this administration I think Congress might find there’s no ocean when they finally get a look below the surface.
EvilDrPuma @ 11
Indeed. Their hubris is not to be believed.
Morning all~
Out of town, on the folks’ computer. LOVE this post, CHS, and love to see the tightening of the screws.
Peterr @ 8:
They can’t help themselves. The passive voice is intergral to their identity.
christy –
as always, spot-on!
now, apparently, most people
are not (yet) ALSO aware that
rep. henry waxman’s “love letters”
of last night — decrying all
these matters, and ordering
preservation of all e-mail,
and a complete inventory from
each addressee, by may 2, 2007. . .
went to every cabinet-level
member of the bush administration. . .
the record-keeping for may 2 alone is
going to grind on the administration!
~~~~~~~~~~~
full list of
administration
officials receiving
the waxman letter
~~~~~~~~~~~
Attorney General Gonzales
Secretary Kempthorne
Administrator Doan
Secretary Nicholson
Secretary Spellings
Secretary Chertoff
Secretary Johanns
Secretary Gutierrez
Secretary Leavitt
Secretary Bodman
Secretary Paulson
Administrator Johnson
Secretary Jackson
Secretary Gates
Secretary Chao
Secretary Rice, and
Secretary Peters. . .
that’s all, so far(!). . .
[my site has the condi rice version
in easy to read jpegs. . . i saw a
spike in my traffic, due to a referral
from the democratic underground, on this.]
cheers! — a busy news day ahead. . .
any news on the anticipated document dump?
Needless to say, every day they stall is another day they spend
deletingreviewing their email for release.I’m not a lawyer, but I am a tech guy, and I think the leaks that allege that Rove deleted email after the Fitz investigation started is enough to argue for seizure of the RNC servers, the WH servers, and the computers used as clients to those servers, for delivery to the nice people at the FBI’s forensic lab.
After the hell that these crooks have put the world through, I see no reason to settle for obstruction of justice. Let’s publish everything they’ve done and punish them for everything. The dead and displaced people of New Orleans, Iraq and our own armed forces deserve no less.
My favorite CHS ever!!
Boy, do these guys not like getting caught!
Redshift @ 14
I find it impossible, simply impossible, to believe that the IT dept. at the RNC didn’t routinely backup their servers. Organizations with two people have backup schemes.
Christy, I love the sweet scent of your snark in the morning.
book ‘em, danno…
My only question is why have they “authorized” subpoenas and not “issued” them - particularly as we now know that evidence is evaporating into the cyber void. I understand the need to proceed -legally and politically- methodically. BUT, time is a-wasting and evidence may be leaving this dimension.
My feeling is, call their bluff and raise ‘em. Hell, let’s go all in. At the same time, I trust Waxman, Conyers, and Leahy…the Oversight Trinity. So could someone patiently explain to me what the strategic thinking may be? Thanks!
Emails were lost.
nolo — Are the narrow margins on your comments because of something on your computer, or are you hitting “return” at the end of every line as you type in your comments? The “Leave a Reply” box ought to wrap the lines to the proper width if you just type them in.
You have to admire Fielding. The guy has a way with legalese:
Peterr @ 27
sorry — i do it on purpose.
i apologize if it annoys. . .
Christy,
Slightly OT, but related. Is it a crime not to engage in an investigation of wrongdoing where solid evidence exists? Specifically, is there any crime in removing USA Carol Lam when she was getting ready to investigate or indict other members of the Cunningham Corruption Club? It is not obstruction of justice per se, just elimination of it.
mh
Nothing short of impeachment will rein these rogues in…
Whether the impeachment leads to removal matters little now, the important thing is to wield every possible power available to force these lawless scoundrels to cough up their evidence, which is the property or the American people.
Until Congress actually holds the impeachment sword of Damacles over the WH head, their hubris will continue unabated.
Who knew that breaking laws would make one…A FECKIN’ CRIMINAL!
BTW, I wonder if Pat Fitzgerald has any interest…say a vested interest in non-WH addressed emails that might…ummm…just might be about Valerie Plame’s Betrayal?
You know, non-WH addressed emails to and from folks like KKKarl, Scoots, Deadeye and perhaps even Junya?
Stuff like “How do we cover this up?”
I wonder if Fred Fielding can spell “Member of A Conspiracy?”
Who knew?
nolo @ 29
Not a problem. I was just offering some friendly advice on the chance it was unintentional.
I’d love to see COnyers or Leahy compile the public statements by Bush and his spokespersons at the beginning, saying publically that he had nothing whatsoever to do with the firings and asking that Fielding detail the legal theory under which there is Executive Privilege for conversations that, according the President, never ended up in any communcations whatsoever with or involving the President?
RNC servers aside, I’d just like to see how Fielding addresses that issue.
Is he calling the subpoena a “suggestion”? Is that what he’s referring to?
I know I’m not a lawyer, but I still don’t understand something. Why is congress warning about subpeona before issuing them? Why is congress not going into these places and physically removing the servers? Isn’t that what the FBI does when it’s investigating something like this, and it looks like someone might delete the emails they would want?
For your reading pleasure, the Articles of Impeachment drafted against Richard Milhous Nixon.
Article #1: Obstruction of Justice.
Article #2: Abuse of Power.
Article #3: Contempt of Congress.
Those sound good to me.
Mornin Redd,
If push comes to shove- I wonder how congress can actually make certain that their subpeonas are complied with- they don’t have any cops- and they don’t have any courts. If the White House says “That’s all there is”- what can the congress do about it? You can’t send senators down to examine computer discs. At a practical level- how does this work? How do we get beyond “trust me”.?
ustice Department Documents Forthcoming
By Paul Kiel - April 13, 2007, 10:54 AM
As promised, the Justice Department has turned over hundreds (we’re not sure how many) of documents to the House and Senate judiciary committees.
We’ll let you know as soon as they’re publicly available.
James Robinson @
21
I like your style!
Please, FORCES THAT BE: What he said. I second the motion!
Total speculation -
Clear real-time crimes in the present are strong evidence for Articles of Impeachment and public opinion.
If Waxman/Conyers/Leahy have an “in” - just one person who’d rather be the next John Dean - deliberate data destruction (as described by their “in”) will support impeachment.
This is a wild-ass guess.
mayan @ 25
Fielding is such a wanker. I think approaching the RNC directly, and making clear that any end-run around the Congressional request will be seen as obstruction is the best thing they can do.
To me, it smacks of ‘privilege laundering’.
Fred Fielding wants the White House to gather and assess all of its back-channel emails, so that the assessment blesses them with the magic pixie dust of executive privilege. It also sounds like a fairly desperate effort to gather these little deliberately-lost sheep back into the flock.
And server logs. Postfix logs for SMTP, POP server logs, logs for any webmail engine. and so on.
But I also think it’s time to start taking control of hardware before it makes its way to the bottom of Dick’s bunker.
Nice post, but–risking pedantry–I would suggest editing this to eliminate the misplaced modifier. Unless you did in fact work for the Nixon Administration….
mornin’ Redd. Just checked PACER for last minute filings that are due today. nothing yet. will check again this weekend. sad to see transripts will not be posted to PACER.
Sounds to me like he’s saying, we’ll give you the emails and documents that don’t incriminate anyone at the WH (other than those we want to throw under the bus), but we won’t give you any of the emails and documents that incriminate the monarchy. Kind of like a fabricated new rule, email 5th Amendment. Fielding could probably now be referred to as freshly knighted, Sir Fielding. By the way, Sir Fielding, you don’t want to go down in history again as aiding and abetting crooks do you? Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
I say, we probably won’t need your stinkin’ emails in the end, because the RNC and others who received them (some of whom are stuck in jail) and who kept copies, will and are going to cooperate, because they no longer want to be associated with a bunch of fake Republican crooks. So go Cheney yourselves, yourselves.
Breaking News:
George W. Bush announces the appointment of the War Czar.
Ladies and Gentleman, General George Armstrong Custer.
-GSD
kirk murphy @ 24
I am certain that Mr. Fielding is more than familiar with what US v Nixon did to the claims he is pushing here. Alas, like the Iraq war strategy, his client wants to try the same thing again and again, hoping for different results.
jackie @ 38
it is Friday after all.
GSD @ 46
H I L A R I O U S!
Today Laura Rozen has a story at Information clearing house about Kurdistan, Mossad involvement, Bremer, oil and access,
http://www.informationclearing…..e17524.htm
Oil, Iraq, pipelines
http://www.janes.com/regional_….._1_n.shtml
Oil, Iraq, pipelines
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq…..50,00.html
Is there any crediblity about Feith and Perles involvement and conflict of interest issues in Turkey?
http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.c…..-marc.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/stanton11192005.html
Scarecrow
kathleen — There’s a NYT story http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04.....sloginthis a.m. about the Turkish military threatening to invade northern Iraq to go against Kurdish rebels striking Turkey. This is an unfolding nightmare for all.
Rule of law, rule of law, rule of law.
-GSD
GSD @ 46
excellent choice.
TiredFed @ 48
4:30 p.m., e.d.t. is my office pool bet.
NOT FOR PUBLICATION, JUST AN EDITING COMMENT: Christy — With apologies for the pickiness, the last line: “Having worked …,” indicates that you worked for the Nixon administration. Maybe: “Having worked …, Mr. Fielding is, I am certain, ….”
Sorry — the old journalist/English teacher in me couldn’t let an otherwise spectacular post go without comment.
GSD @ 46
Hee, hee, hee.
James Robinson @ 21
Why isn’t Rove arrested at this point? It is on record that he was deleting emails. The RNC (his own buddies) took steps to stop him so that he would not implicate others in the RNC. MC Pasty White should be doing the froggy dance now!
OT–but related:
From AP 30 minutes ago:
My bold. Is this a benchmark?
I’ve changed the offending sentence. Sorry that the rushed writing after a morning of server problems caused a grating grammar error.
mae @ 20
I can’t find it Mae, but I read earlier late afternoon. Friday dump time?
Fielding: We, therefore, respectfully decline your suggestion to immediately produce the documents that we are prepared to release
He’s right, ya know.
Until subpoenaes are actually *issued*, he can get away with this tactic and tone indefinitely.
fwiw
Favorite bumper sticker of all times - seen in ND:
“Custer Died for Your Sins”
OT-
Looks like Wolfbait is capitalizing on the cronyism promotion strategy for his girlfriend.
They want him fired.
More from CNN.
nolo @ 52
If it’s like last time, it’s more a matter of having the Judiciary Committee interns turn the documents into pdfs, then posting them on the committee website. It’ll be a long day at the copier/scanner in that office . . . and maybe a long night.
Loo Hoo at 59 — The dump has already occurred to the committees — it just hasn’t been made publicly available as yet.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 57
thank god. i was beginning to feel like the princess and the pea. (not)
India test fires a missile and almost takes out an Indonesian air liner.
All of this hyper war mongering has done such wonderful things for the planet.
Bombay’s Away!
-GSD
Yeah, Russia is also claiming that the US is helping radical groups in Russia…
Also, Israel almost shot down a US passenger jet yesterday too.
just something to keep in mind here folks, impeachment doesn’t go through the courts. It’s all handled right there in the U.S. House of Representatives. Let’s get it started.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 58
me? i liked it the other way. . .
j/k — this place is gonna’ rock all day!
“If push comes to shove- I wonder how congress can actually make certain that their subpeonas are complied with- they don’t have any cops- and they don’t have any courts.”
Because as Sen. Leahy alluded to, and I hope he’s right, that copies of email exist and are in hand. However, those will only be presented when WH/Fielding submits requested documents or not, hence the stalling.
Bio
Just a way of telling everyone- “We didn’t screw up- they did.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 57
Apologies have been made . . .
lina @ 65
my bad. sorry. very sorry. pickiness was made.
Today is Friday the 13th after all. Maybe another really serious crime will be disclosed later today about this criminal and corrupt administration.
Meanwhile, I await Jason the masked one.
Peterr @ 63
jackie @ 38
it is Friday after all.
4:30 p.m., e.d.t. is my office pool bet.
If it’s like last time, it’s more a matter of having the Judiciary Committee interns turn the documents into pdfs, then posting them on the committee website. It’ll be a long day at the copier/scanner in that office . . . and maybe a long night.
wish I could give them a hand. and remember guys and gals, copy the back, too!
GeorgeSimian @ 35
First they ask politely for stuff. Then they send the subpoenas.
—————
How about asking the NSA if they can help find the ‘missing’ e-mail? Can Congress request NSLs too?
Christy @ 57:
The server made me do it. *g*
Marvelous, Christy.
Not that any of this comes a big ol’ shocker to pups like us who’ve been following this for so long.
But, man, did you ever drive home the point that this is supposed to OUR White House. We-the-People’s White House.
NOT the Bush White House. Or Karl’s shop.
What’s the American / Constitutional word for “sacrilege”?
I want my White House back. Now. (OK. You can give the keys to President Pelosi.)
There is no criminal investigation, yet, so I assume you mean the WH is entitled to at least the rights one would accord a criminal suspect. I see the Committees still using the language of Congressional oversight. Are the powers of investigation there the same as for a prosecutor? And don’t we need a special/independent prosecutor? Regardless of the political/tactical merits of that, it seems there’s more than enough evidence out there to warrant that.
pat at 71: I used to work in marketing communications, where all we did all day was crank out the written word. The motto around the office was “everyone needs an editor.”
I’d like an answer to #32 above too. Do you suppose Fitz is working quietly on this? I would think he’d be really annoyed if KKKarl side stepped his investigation.
Any of you lawyer types know?
Leahy is right. This is the 18.5 minute gap…
exponentialized by the power of the internets.
50 million ways to dump the Dubya.
Informative Christy! “telling Leahy and Conyers to go Cheney themselves” Funny!
Fielding seems to be a master of double speak, thanks for interpreting.
Thank you Fitz! Maybe Rove has strategized himself into hell. Many of us are clinging to your words and actions “truth is the engine of our judicial system” Please Please Please..
Stonewalling? Sounds more like “shredding” to me (virtually, that is.)
GSD @ 46
Bush should have expanded his reading list to include “The Court Martial of George Armstrong Custer,” a novel in which Custer survives the Little Big Horn battle to be tried for dereliction of duty. Comment by Sitting Bull as he passes Custer on the way back to his seat after testifiying- Too many, Yellow Hair. Too Many”…
Re: Hackworth @ circa 56:
“Why isn’t Rove arrested at this point? It is on record that he was deleting emails. The RNC (his own buddies) took steps to stop him so that he would not implicate others in the RNC.
I agree and would add that I have less understanding (and sympathy) now for his not being indicted by Fitz before. Fitz HAD to know what was going on, if he is half the prosecutor he’s reputed to be. What was Fitz thinking? That Rove had a 1% chance of acquittal and that would hurt Fitz’ batting average? WTF?
Redd,
I have the greatest respect for you and your opinions, but this time I have to say you’re wrong. If Congress chooses to work through the courts on this one, the loyal Bushies will stall.
Congress has plenary powers to issue subpoenas, seize documents and compel testimony. Now is the time to for them to do it. If they wait, they rely on W’s Dunder-Mifflin-esque Justice Department to obtain indictments and prosecute for contempt of Congress. Diva the Courageous Belgian Malinois will be President of the US before that happens.
On the other hand, by issuing a subpoena and seizing the RNC computers, they force the GoOPers in Congress on the horns of a destructive dilemma. If they vote in favor of the seizure, they render themselves vulnerable to primary challenger from the Reich wing of the party. If they vote in favor of document destruction, they risking enraging the general electorate. Telling the general electorate that Nixon was right is manifestly not a good idea: while the general electorate still believe that while Nixon may have been an okay president (he wasn’t, but by comparison with this shower?) he was wrong about destroying evidence.
It’s time to quit playing footsie with these people, and start cleaning the Augean stables that are the Old Executive Office Building and the West Wing of the White House.
BC
T- @ 62
Looks like the World Bank’s board of directors (aka The Illuminati) didn’t appreciate Dubya’s thoughtful selection of Mr. Greasylocks.
I understand that the White House will stonewall on their end — but the RNC is a separate entity (supposedly) so how can the administration block them from complying with a subpoena? They can’t, can they?
It is a useless and pointless endeavor on the part of the committee, if they are to depend entirely upon the Blight House to provide self-incriminating evidence in order to proceed with their investigation. If it is not their intention to obtain incriminating evidence, so much as it is to expose to a large third-party audience the Junta’s utter contempt for the American system of government, then perhaps they’re succeeding to some extent, especially through the blogospheric medium.
Jane Hamsher @ 82
You need to stonewall to give you enough time to finish the virtual shredding.
Good morning Jane.
When they suspected that Democrat - Jefferson, I think - of corruption, they raided his apartment and found money in his freezer. If they had asked politely, he would have gotten rid of it.
There are subpeonas issued for these emails. These guys have demonstrated that they will delete the emails if given a chance. Isn’t that enough reason to go in and take the servers? I don’t know who would do it, the FBI? The Sergeant at Arms?
rwcole @ 37
ah, but they do have cops. and can get (deputize) more. Both houses have law enforcement powers in the Sergeant at Arms. There is also a connection to the Capitol Police.
Biodun @ 73
Every Friday the 13th is a lucky day for me, so I am anticipating good news. Gonzo gone?
Document dump has arrived at TPM, with an invite to document dive. I love the internets :)
Did anyone catch this? From AP a little while ago:
GeorgeSimian @ 89
Yes, but that was a criminal investigation, backed by search warrants. We need all the tools of law enforcement to deal with suspected law breaking.
The thing I cannot shake from my mind about all of this is what is in those e-mails that is so explosive for Bushco that they would rather run with such blatantly lame and unbelievable explanations like the e-mails were lost. I mean really, in today’s world the average citizen knows just how unlikely that is and how hard it is to truly delete/lose anything in the online world, so why be willing to run with that excuse? To my way of thinking that can only mean that whatever these e-mails do contain is so dangerous that it would likely support impeachment even by GOP Congresscritters because once the public sees them they will be the ones demanding it and anyone getting in the way would feel the public’s wrath.
Just something to keep in mind when in the weeds on this story. Given all the twists and turns and spin around the details of what e-mails are in which server and are covered by what privilege (if any) I can see the original point of the content of those e-mails being lost. Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to speculate, as we were all told and had demonstrated by the author of that quote P Noonan back during the Clinton Presidency. One of the few things I am enjoying about all of this is how the Clinton witch hunts have reduced the ability of this Presidency to protect itself both from Congressional action and from the reaction in the public to their evasions and their deceptions.
Umm, the 2000 campaign promise to restore integrity to the whitehouse. Or was it to the pentagon, or was itto the congress, or was it to the state department, or was it to fema, or was it Iraq reconstruction, or was it the justice department? So many others?
Umm, this integrity thingy…so confusing.
Joel Mael
Can congress physically sieze the computers? Who would do it? Congressional staff? Does anyone know how this works?
Does congress have to rely on Abu’s justice dept to physically sieze anything?
Does anyone know?
I’ve updated the post above with the response that i just got back from Randall Samborn, Patrick Fitzgerald’s spokesperson. Just FYI all.
Cuewhiffle @ 43