
(Photo by down the waterfall.)
Of course, I had read the AP wire story regarding the RNC and WH's loss of a number of e-mails: (via TPM)
The White House said Wednesday it had mishandled Republican Party-sponsored e-mail accounts used by nearly two dozen presidential aides, resulting in the loss of an undetermined number of e-mails concerning official White House business.Congressional investigators looking into the administration's firing of eight federal prosecutors already had the nongovernmental e-mail accounts in their sights because some White House aides used them to help plan the U.S. attorneys' ouster. Democrats were questioning whether the use of the GOP-provided e-mail accounts was proof that the firings were political.
Which makes it all the more curious that the AP wire story which was written for broadcast news feed had absolutely NOTHING about lost or deleted or purged or what-have-you e-mails by and between the White House and the RNC. Meaning, unless some enterprising copy writer at a television news studio was paying attention and already knew that there were missing e-mails -- they would have NO IDEA that was even a question. To wit, here is the entire broadcast wire story, sent to me by an astonished reader:
AP-Prosecutors-White House
Congressional investigators probe why White House aides used
GOP-sponsored e-mail
WASHINGTON (AP) - Congressional investigators already know White House aides planned the ouster of eight federal prosecutors. Now, they want to know why the aides used G-O-P-sponsored e-mail accounts to do so.Lawmakers are questioning whether the use of such e-mail accounts is proof that the firings were political. They're also wondering if the White House used the e-mails to get around a law requiring presidential records to be preserved and eventually disclosed.
The White House says there's no attempt to hide anything. A spokesman says the accounts were set up to avoid violating the Hatch Act. It bars federal employees from engaging in political activities with government resources or on government time. The administration says it will give investigators any exchanges between staffers and people outside the White House, but not internal communications.
So, why the omission of this vital piece of information from the original story? Sorry, but wasn't that a huge part of the initial article -- the fact that the RNC and the White House just...deleted...a whole bunch of e-mails that were potentially relevant to an ongoing Congressional investigation? As the reader who sent this said:
What missing emails? TPM posted their link at 7:33pm et, linking to the print AP version, time posted unknown. The broadcast version appeared at 8:11 et, with zero mention of missing emails. If you don't see this story on your local station tomorrow, this may be one reason why.Who knows, maybe this will actually be big enough in the papers that the networks will have to pay attention.
I understand we are living in an age of "soundbite journalism," but shouldn't the sound bites include the portion of the story that is the big news? Why is the AP trying to erase the missing White House and RNC e-mails? Talk about burying the lede -- AP is making it disappear altogether for broadcast news. The question is: why?
UPDATE: NPR reported this morning that there were at least 22 people in the Bush WH who were using RNC-issued laptops and e-mail accounts for official business, and that a number of e-mails related to the USAtty firings were, indeed, among those missing/deleted. The Senate Judiciary Committee will be voting on subpoenas today during a business meeting which will begin at 10:00 am ET. This is shaping up to be an awfully interesting day.
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Couple of good excerpts from the current NYTimes article on the “email gap” story…
… and later … the Times dutifully takes stenography and helps the WH with the RNC’s obligatory “Clinton did it too!” trope…I hear the legal tank-treads clanking on either end of PA Ave…
In answer to Loo Hoo’s question last night (EPUd):
I would agree with other comments here that yes, much if not most of the data thought to have been deleted can be retrieved.
Additionally, typical emails travel many paths to get where they are going. Just because KKKarl ordered a mass delete doesn’t mean stuff isn’t still sitting out there somewhere.
I also agree that any usage of ‘electronic shredders’ leave a distinctive data pattern that will alert to such chicanery.
Gosh Kids, didn’t anyone else notice that Karl was in Chattanooga TN last week which is home to the company that handles the rogue accounts, people should have been faster on the acquisiton of the emails before the drives could be scrubbed, sharpen up folks.
Morning all. NPR just reported that they know of 22 WH employees who were using the RNC laptops and e-mail accounts (at this point, that’s what they know, anyway) — but that the WH isn’t releasing the names of who these people are. Interesting, eh?
Balrog @ 3
In analog form, that’s what we found on the 18.5Min gap tape. To find it in digital form would be equally damning (and wonderful for Truth, Justice and the American Way), true dat. :)
Weather coming - time to put the snow shovels back in the car - *groan* - character building. And people wonder why NewEnglanders are such characters!
Good morning, everyone.
It’s simple: it’s because political corruption has made its way to the heart of nearly every institution in this country.
The AP is no different. Remember all those hit pieces John Solomon put out against Democrats? That shows the AP’s true colors right there.
We need a Stalin-esque purge in this country.
Who wants to start the next revolution with me?
It’s hard to believe that this isn’t a major news story. Especially as it cries out COVER UP like the Nixon tapes erasure. I would say, also, that even though they may have erased all those emails, they were, presumably emails that had a recipient and/or sender, so by default, it would mean that there was a backup somewhere in the world.
OBTW last evening, Phoenix Woman (IIRC) said that Congress already has physical custody of Monica Goodling’s computer. Linky?
Maybe they’re bowing to the WH to get their photog released:
S.O.S. - next time the MA firepups get together, would love to have you there.
for crying out loud, this is the missing 18 1/2 minutes all over again. Don’t they get that? Sheesh.
hey christy –
i watched the same non-reporting
unfold last night — so i agree with
you. . . but. . .
i think sen. leahy’s comment, now
reported as the top-line in this
morning’s new york times article
will definitely get the full-on-
media-cycle. . . that is, it very-
well captures, for every american with
a working frontal-lobe, what is wrong
with the “explanations” offered by
RNC flaks — it sounds like a lie:
“the. dog. ate. my. homework.”
more here on what happens when the
terms of a subpoena call for documents
that alberto conzales’ office now admits
it deleted and or destroyed. . .
btw, lovin’ my first zed!
Also, why does anyone believe Cheney has had an industrial shredder at the Naval Observatory since like October of last year?
These guys are covering their tracks.
Fortunately for us, however, the changes they’ve made to the criminal justice system will allow us to simply render them to a third party nation for torture and then send them to a “black site” prison somewhere where they can rot for eternity.
Let’s take it back, people.
How about instead of just talking about this stuff like a bunch of hens we actually start to organize and formulate a plan to take it (it being our country) back?
There are far more of us than there are of them.
Remember that.
and I wish Leahy and Conyers would stop acting like there is any good faith at the other end of Pennsylvania Ave. where are the subpoenas???
Never ascribe to malice what could best be ascribed to stupidity. The AP may be scrubbing the story because they just don’t realize the implications of missing emails (hard to believe, but potentially true). If the copy editor was born after the age of Nixon, s/he may just have no idea about the 18 minutes of tape gone missing, and so not be able to make the connection.
The more of this I type, the less credible it seems, but credibility is not a requirement for truth.
Is there any way we can gently suggest to the AP that they correct the gaffe?
Big news today. Bombs in the Parliament building in Iraq. Sure sounds like that surge is working. Add another lead weight to McCain’s drowning election campaign and Lieberman’s sunken treasure trove of Bushisms. Why is no one reporting all the good news in Iraq? Like the sale on rugs.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 5
begin. sarcasm.
. . .must be their all-important
p r i v a c y
the white house is (suddenly)
oh-so-concerned about. . .
end. sarcasm.
Mornin’ Christy,
I have been slammed with work (and had a major relapse last week and was in bed for 5 days) and so have really be mostly away from the lake.
Boy, do I miss you guys. But EW sent me an email with this link, so if it has not been posted in the threads before, I’m gonna leave it here now,
Christy, I don’t have time to follow this up we got some major doin’s goin on today in SDNY on FISA, the PAtriot Act and the NSA program, but this story should have some legs.
About two weeks ago, and if I remember where I saw it I will send you a link, there was also a story about proscution and indictmnt stats.
Garcia was down 32% (yep a third) and Mauskopf was down 18% (but they are going to make her fedderal judge after a performance like that!)
Anayway, I know you can do this story justice.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/11/15269/6356
This is up there with trying to fire Fitzgerald.
Christy Hardin Smith @
6
50 White House officials have used RNC accounts.
mmr @ 18
I don’t buy it. I was born after the age of Nixon, and I learned about the 18 minute gap in high school.
btw, I updated above. Senate Judiciary Committee has a business meeting scheduled this morning for 10 am ET — and they have a vote on subpoenas on the USAtty firings on the agenda today. Just FYI.
Also, why is it that they didn’t even back up the stuff pre-2004? That means that all the evil they did during the Presidential election has vanished, they say. WTF? Just because they’re under investigation for the 2006 election doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get a free pass for all the shit they pulled in the 2004 election.
This is the m.o. of this Administration. Before you can get too excited about one scandal, another comes along, and the last one becomes “old news”. In Iraq, the motto was, “well, we’re there now, so what are we going to do about it”, as if the fact that they criminally invaded a sovereign nation for no reason had nothing to do with the fact that it’s a mess now. THIS HAS TO STOP.
Who runs the AP is it like the Moony times, Fox News etc are the orders to protect the whitehouse coimg from the top?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
THIS IS HUGE!
subpoenas from the senate as well?
COOOOOOL!!!
Morning Christie
Well the good news is that, despite the best efforts of the AP, the MSM is picking up the story (well except for Today, but we expected that, right?). I’ve seen stories on ABC and on CNN so far this morning, in addition to the Times piece.
However, Josh has another disturbing piece here at http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002990.php
I know its kind of early for a legal (as opposed to blogger) ethics panel, but to this old lawyer’s eyes, there appears to be a case of Conflict of Interest 101 here, unless, of course, we have now decided that representing the Republicans and representing the US Government are now one and the same.
mmr at 18 — I thought that was what I was doing by calling attention to it in the first place.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 29
Is that all it would take? Is there no way to suggest corrections to the AP, some kind of formal process there?
The idea of being able to point out flaws in television news copy in an effective way makes me all tingly. If FDL has activated that superpower simply by posting on the front page, congratulations :)
dratty @ 28
(bold mine)
Look at the way Bush “negotiates” with “enemy” states. He says “give me what I want, then we’ll negotiate.” He said the same thing to the Democrats on the war funding bill this week. He sees Dems as enemies to this country,
hopefully the broadcast people read the newspaper - the LA Times has the story at the top of the page…
it never occurred to me that the AP was so fishy…
coffee anyone?
charlie wilson @ 4
Crap. Oh well, if KKKarl’s been there, more levels in this onion — both centrally and peripherally. There’s the Total Information Program, wherein the NSA is said to now be storing ALL Internet traffic through ALL ISPs; hope someone there can whistleblow those bits towards Congress. Plus on the periphery of the onion, there’s gotta be some lower-level factotum on the WH staff who won’t have the time or the balls to delete something that will serve nicely as a “Smoking Gun” redux. Calling the shade of Rose Mary Woods… Alexander Butterfield? You around in newer form? :)
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Kathryn in MA @ 12
Sounds fun. I’ll be there, with bells on! Tnx :)
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TiredFed @ 13
Whom the Gods would destroy, they first afflict with “Master of the Universe” syndrome. Sic Semper, from the back alley to the corridors of power. The perps never even think that they could be caught and made to PAY. As it was in 1973, and I hope thus may it be again for us in 2007, may they be made to PAY again. I pray for the Constitution’s sake.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
woo hoo. let’s hope these subpoenas come with FBI agents attached!
This story is not on the front pages of CNN, MSNBC, WAPO, NYT websites. If it’s not on the front pages, it doesn’t exist to most people.
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
would that be the same AP that just yesterday said this about the growing DOJ scandal -
silly hippies, why don’t you ever wanna talk about voter fraud ? :)
link
Morning pups. Looks like another turbulent day on the Potomac. Haven’t seen this much action since the last months of Nixon. This story has the legs of a centipede.
On another topic re: wingnuts. We had a visitor to our fair city yesterday and after his talk we were shooting breeze at the faculty club onthe subject of a Canadian election. Our visitor asked me about the Harper Government, and I explained that it was a very washed-out version of the Bush administration whose appeal was mainly to the same constituency of fearful paranoids that make up the American 30 percenters. And my friend and his wife nodded and said, yes, we understand, as if in sadness. My wingnut friend was there, and he turned red as a beet. I felt a bit sorry for him, and will have to apologise later today. But the remark and especially the response hit a very sore point. They are fearful paranoids.
Now, back to the main event. We are moving towards Impeachment.
OT- Kurt Vonnegut has died.
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-v.....d-homepage
charlie wilson -
nice catch! count me among those who find that visit wildly coincidental
lots of talk in the threads last night about SmarTech and their connections to everything from Bush’s PAC to Ohio Voting
Can anyone say Forensic Computer Scientist?
C’mon, a good data recovery specialist could probably retrieve a good portion of those emails.
If the servers have a massive array of storage, those emails might not have been lost at all.
A good investigator could also document the state of deletion and if it was manually or automatically done.
C’mon Congress dont fall for the 8 minute trap. Subpeona and impound the servers.
And of course the AP article mentions the Hatch Act, but not the various Acts concerning preservation of official government records. The AP has really been on a roll recently; their coverage of SyriaGate led the pack.
I certainly agree that this is potentially huge and just another sleazy Bush Administration cover up.
But I’m a lot less willing to blame the AP for taking part in some kind of plot to surpress the news.
There are a lot of reasons important information could have been left out of a story like this not the least of which is that the people at the desk (the editors) weren’t comfortable with the information they had, wanted more details and cut a section they believed was weak in factual back-up. Or, the reporter on the story might have just missed it or didn’t feel he had enough to publish yet.
From a competitive standpoint, I’m pretty sure that when a bureau chief or executive editor for the AP gets up in the morning, sees coverage in the New York Times or Washington Post that his guys didn’t get, he’s going to say:
“Why don’t we have this? Where are we on this story?”
I guess I’m not ready to ascribe to malice what may be attributable to incompetence or stupidity.
Moderators,
Why is my comment awaiting moderation?
I have no doubt that Waxman and Leahy will get this story on the front pages. Patience is in order. There is a lot going on, including a significant bombing in the Green Zone in Iraq.
OT - This is IN the GREEN ZONE:
There has to be a backup somewhere that hasn’t been erased I mean how many people have had a computer meltdown for various reasons? Every comptuter guy I met has told me to back up everything PERSONALLY. So are we to believe that WH employees don’t back up their files on disk, especially when it could mean your job if the president doesn’t have his State of Union speech ready in time because your computer died? Are we to belive that the WH employees all decided to erase their personal backups at the same time. Are we to believe that nobody in this whitehouse is going to write a book someday? Probably about this very episode, and what writter throws away his notes? Does the subpenoa cover personal copies or any and all copies of the information we want? I’m guessing karl is looking for loopholes to avoid giving us the documents.
oddball at 43 — It’s free — refresh your screen. And it is probably time for another one of my “please don’t be paranoid if the SPAM filter picks your comment” comments. Truly, sometimes it is a word that has been frequently used in SPAM recently that is a trigger. And there is a good reason that we don’t publish the words — because we don’t want to have spammers reconfigure their dreck to end-run the filtering software.
The lovely folks who moderate for us are volunteers. They get to comments as quickly as they can and, honestly as someone who pitches in to help with that when I’m on, it only takes a minute or two. Patience is truly a virtue — we aren’t trying to keep you from the conversation, merely tryng to keep the comments conversational. Thanks. (And a huge thank you to our wonderful mods for the wonderful job that they do!)
just wrote msnbc and asked why I couldn’t find the story on their website.
Knut Wicksell @ 36
Another problem we face (and I face it in my own immediate family) is what a wiser head dubbed “normaloia,” which is the unreasonable belief that All Is OK despite overwhelming evidence that They Are Out To Get Us.
And yep Knut, I agree that we are moving towards impeachment. With every new legal outrage from the WH and every new awful death in Iraq, the political force mounts ineluctably on more and more Republicans to peel off from Bush’s supermajority in Congress.
They’ll do it to save their political careers, to save what’s left of their party, to save the nation… I don’t care at this point.
And when that happens (e.g., when the Boy King loses a crucial vote by a margin he cannot veto) the Dogs of Impeachment will be let loose throughout the land and all the inhabitants thereof. It’s coming, friends… just hold on a bit more… the normaloids are losing their grip…
Good morning Christy, pups,
You know the saying it’s five o’clock somewhere? Well that’s here. But our working day isn’t over yet. Off to check the recovery of this morning’s surgery, on a premie that was born 2 days ago and weighs 4 pounds.
Speaking of making tiny changes that have profound consequences.
Hey (((((looseheadprop))))) hope you’re feeling better soon.
Check out Josh Marshall’s post late last night about Rove’s push for “voter fraud” enforcement. It included some horror stories about the effects on some people’s lives. Of course, such collateral damage to “little people” doesn’t count.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....013581.php
Minnesotachuck at 51 — That was based on a McClatchy News story, I believe. And it is HUGE news in terms of intersection between the political shop at the WH and legal policy. McClatchy has been fantastic on this story.
So I read earlier today 50 WH employees use “the system” and NPR says “they know of 22″…………..wtf! Where are these twits pulling the figures from and *who* has the bloody list? And subpoena the whole lot of ‘em.
And speaking of subpoenas, here’s hoping someone who has more faith than I believes they are *ever* gonna *start* issuing the freaking things vs. *voting* on them.
Also, is everybody getting as thoroughly sick of Dick Gregory as I am? He subbed for Imus this morning and, best I can tell, is still making excuses for his buddy, I-*ss.
Sorry, gang…….thus endeth the rant. ;-(
P.S. - Christy - that is quite the interesting linky lhp provided.
This lost e-mails story is not to be believed.
These e-mails were subject to records retentions policies that would have required redundant servers, storage and an audit process demonstrating the data to be secure.
Without that level of safeguard the whole enterprise was illeagal.
The emails, by their nature of being emails, were backed up when they were sent/received. Someone, somewhere has a copy. Unless, they were also instructed to delete them. In which case, there may be a great email floating around somewhere saying “Please delete all RNC emails relating to the firing of US attorneys” or “Please delete all emails from George Bush and/or Karl Rove relating to US attorneys, Abramoff, torture, Halliburton, Swiftboat campaign, Christian Coalition, Enron/Bush deep dish fund, Exxon/Alaska favor trading, EPA coersion, and best just delete anything coming from Cheney, who doesn’t really “get” email.
is the senate judiciary committee business meeting this morning a closed meeting? i don’t see it listed as being webcast (audio or video) anywhere (the committee website, capitol hearings,…)?
skeptik @ 54
When has the law ever stopped them before?
Why do I have this strange feeling that our beloved Fitz is going to factor into this at some point down the road? Is it just wishful thinking that he is the gatekeeper (read: email keeper).
egregious @ 49
Bless you (and the surgeons) for your good work! This strikes a chord in me ‘cuz my unborn grandson is said to be about 6 or more pounds by now and will come to full term in about a week. Hope things turn out healthily for the preemie in your egregiously :) good care.
I’ve noticed that a lot (maybe most) of republicans I know seem to have their entire egos wrapped up in the republican party. If you even mildly criticize a republican policy or legislator, no matter what the policy is or who the legislator is, they take it as a very personal attack on them as human beings. Teeth clench, faces turn beet red & grimace, stuttering ensues, one would think you had deeply insulted their grandmothers. I don’t see Dems giving up their entire souls like that.
kdh22 @ 58
What was Fitz’s statement during the Libby trial referring to e-mails?
Can “sealed vs. sealed” ever be unsealed?
selise at 56 — They generally are not closed meetings, but they aren’t usually bit news producing ones either because it is Senators and staff discussing various notes on various bills that may or may not need oversight by the Committee. I’ve seen them broadcast on C-Span on occasion (the last was the hearing where they were all debating the subpoena authorization the last time), but I have no idea whether this one will be broadcast or not. Will try and give the Committee a call and see if I can find out, though.
GeorgeSimian @ 55
i’d love to know how the rnc mail servers were set up… if they were really paranoid couldn’t it be with no local storage and everything purged after something like 60 days?
Kathleen at 61 — You know, I have seen no evidence at all that Sealed v. Sealed has anything whatsoever to do with Fitz. Other than a few speculative stories that were out when the case first appeared on the docket, there has been absolutely nothing that connects that case definitively with Fitzgerald’s investigation. Have you seen something definitive or is that just speculation?
On Sunday, Atrios caught a similar revision of a WaPo story, that time to get bring the story in line with anti-Iran propaganda.
It appears that the right wing has people that watch news stories as they come out, and contact editors with complaints and suggested revision if the story has any element that is out of synch with the current right-wing spin. The story behind these revisions would be very interesting.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 62
thank you!
fyi - for anyone who missed yesterday’s senate judiciary committee hearing, i made an audio recording - you can DL the mp3 here (bottom of the page)
Good Morning All. Besides the obvious Obstruction of Justice/Congress violation. Are there clear penalties for violating the Records Retention Act? What I find to be most interesting is that all of the records prior to 2004 were deleted every 30 days. All the correspondence leading up to the War is missing now because the WH did not have a “clear policy” in place. I wonder how much incompetence the GOP is willing to accept? I guess enough to incompetence to become irrelevant.
JF @
57
Just sayin that you don’t have to go looking after impropriety with USAs when there is plain evidence of a National Security crime.
ThinkProgress had the disappeared e-mail story (from LA Times) posted late last night. Is someone sleeping on the night shift? ;)
Meanwhile, I’m loving the irony here:
Hatch Act, born of Nixon/Watergate, in effect created the separated political/offical document streams, which may in the end expose a Nixon/Watergate redux.
footnote: Karl Rove is reported to have conducted as much as 95% of his work on the RNC system. That’s a ton of communications, and all it really takes is one letter.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6
Any guesses who they might be? Would it include any “old friends” of ours?
I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about this story.
In one respect, I think they’ve given the Dems a gift. Prior to the “missing” e-mails, the prosecutor story was horrifying and fascinating BUT squishy. There were a number of bridges to cross…a number of “IFs” that had to occur for their to be actionable conduct.
Now, however, there is EVERY indication that the White House thugs took deliberate steps to circumvent the Records Act. (There’s a load of information here: http://www.archives.gov/records-mgmt/) By violating the act by setting up their secret system and then further violating the act by destroying the government records through deletion or erasure of their own files, they’ve given Waxman, and every other Congressional investigator, a wide open path through the White House doors.
I believe that this gives the Congressionals very colorable claims that White House personnel (KKKarl) transgressed both the Records Act and obstructed justice. AND, what’s more, at least the sparse write-ups so far indicate that the WH admits that there were violations.
The next question, of course, is what kind of play this is getting or will get. American Idol and Imus seem to be much more important, as does (for at least 15 minutes) the Iraq bombings. The Congressionals seem to be quite quiet about it, so far, although Waxman’s quotes in the Times are very strong and very savvy. He’s SO all over this story:
Representative Henry A. Waxman, the California Democrat who is chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, has asked the White House to produce records relating to nongovernment e-mail accounts by April 18. But a Democratic aide, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the White House told Mr. Waxman’s committee on Wednesday that it would not be able to comply fully.
Mr. Waxman issued a brief statement: “This is a remarkable admission that raises serious legal and security issues. The White House has an obligation to disclose all the information it has.”
GeorgeSimian @ 55
That would be great if someone forgot to delete a memo saying something to that effect.
and on a related note -
MSNBC Breaking - Ohio Man indicted on Terror Charges
the story is via AP
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18073689/
don’t know which of these 2 is Prosec.
- Gregory G. Lockhart
United States Attorney - Southern District
Gregory A. White
United States Attorney - Northern District
but, but, but . . .there was no Al Quaida in the early 9o’s - most, if not all, were CIA Trained Mujahadeen
jeebus
BBC’s Alan Johnston’s abduction is a tragedy. I have always thought Alans coverage in the middle east (I/P conflict) has always been fair and balanced. Either Israeli or Palestinian radicals would have interest in taking him out.
I believe more journalist have been kidnapped and killed in the Iraq war than any other war. MANY JOURNALIST ARE PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE SO THAT WE CAN GET THE STORY. FREE FREE ALAN !
you can go to BBC’s website and let them know what you think and find your way to a few petitions. Could not link the petition, but here is the way to the petition http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/tal.....518185.stm
I thought lawyers were trained to save their emails as they help provide proof of billable hours? Are we to believe that nobody at the Justice Dept is a lawyer who by training and habit does save their emails, are we to believe that nobody at Justice has saved emails just in case they end up being the next Scapegoat/Scooter. If the boss wants me to do something that might get ME in trouble I know that I would be saving those emails in particular, just in case!
if one were looking for criminal or terrorist activity on the net (oh, say, in email traffic), where would one look?egregious @ 50
back in the USSR eh? dont work too hard (yeah right). best wishes for all your patients (we know they already have the best care).
In the Late Nite thread, after it was noted that the Bush Administration has gone especially hard at corrupting the parts of government that might investigate them, someone suggested that the Archivist’s staff ought to be involved. Unfortunately, the Archivist is maybe the first position that got the US Attorney treatment, back in 2004 (hmmm, there’s that date again…) They pushed out the incumbent archivist before his term was up, giving no reason, and appointed a controversial conservative historian who is sympathetic to their “penchant for secrecy.”
No help there.
Or maybe even a tangle of post it notes the kind that get stuck to the sides of the drawers of the desk . . .
Exactly what is it going to take for a special prosecutor to be appointed to investigate the myriad of nefarious activities of the DOJ/White House in this whole mess????
Kathryn in MA @ 13
OT-> Another Massachusetts firedog here!!!
hey Christy,
is this applicable ? am a little thrown by the term “Antitrust Civil Process Act”
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 73 > 1505
1505. Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
GeorgeSimian @ 55
All organizations have written backup policies. The first order of business should have been to subpoena all RNC backup disks and tapes.
If there was a deviation in this case, it would almost surely indicate a deliberate attempt to block justice.
The first order of business should have been to subpoena all RNC backup disks and tapes, plus a copy of the backup policy, including the backup-retention policy.
Disk space is now so inexpensive that there is no longer any economic/technical reason for an organization to get rid of email.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 64
I did find something yesterday that connected it to Fitz, I had never read this theory until yesterday. I posted it and will look for it again. The theory was that Gonzales (may have been McNulty) had come in at the last moment and trumped Fitz’s indictment for Rove. I will look for that tidbit!
selise — Spoke to a Judiciary Committee staffer who says that the hearing is supposed to be webcast on the Judiciary Committee website. However, they have had a litle tech snafu which hopefully is resolved, so just in case there is a glitch, they are working on it. Just FYI.
things come undone @ 75
Snark alert….apparently you are not wise to the ways of “billable hours.” Lawyers don’t need any stinkin’ proof of billable hours! No offense to the exceptional attorneys here at FDL.
cbl @ 73
I wonder how long he was held before he “confessed.”
Christy here is one of the articles will look for more
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/21/184052/881
I don’t think there’s an “Ooops” defense to serial violations of the Presidential Records Act. “Mishandling” and “inadvertent” may be the emotional seed the White House’s announcement wants to plant; “The Bad Seed” would probably be a closer analogy.
There seems nothing inadvertent about the White House’s duplicitous comms set-up, the number of people using it, their place at the top of the White House pack, or the apparent lack of an security and retention protocol or management of that protocol.
If Ken Mehlman - Harvard Law grad, computer guru, and former head of the RNC - can devise a national computer system that verifies your Republican voting status as fast as MasterCard can approve a salesman’s online purchase of Vi*gra, then the RNC system at the White House does precisely what it was intended to do.
Wigwam @
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Remember the infamous ‘We have Victoria Toensing on the line’ moment with Wolf Blitzer.
It’s like there is a boiler room somewhere chock full of Bush operatives waiting to pounce on a story they deem wrong.
-GSD
LA Times editorial from yesterday commentted on the e-mails: LA Times Editorial
mui @ 70
at about the time the senate judiciary
committee is voting to send out subpoenas,
i’ll be on a sixth-grade field trip bus,
headed to the museum with son no.2. . .
i’ll be off the grid all day. . . so, i’ll trust
that this group will bring the story home,
and with vibrant style, to boot. . .
ya’ think the school bus has wi-fi?
Christy can “Sealed vs. Sealed” ever be unsealed?
mayan @ 79
if you join the stateproject-massachussetts googlegroup, you can send us email!
there’s not a lot of email on the list… it is a good way to keep in touch and be able to contact eachother.
Christy Hardin Smith @
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