Everyone in the news media with a functioning brain knows by now that the Republican slime job against the Syrian leg of Nancy Pelosi's trip to the Mideast is bogus. It has been documented to a fare-thee-well by ThinkProgress and other outfits that:
- Unlike Newt Gingrich and Dennis Hastert when Clinton was president, she wasn't out to sabotage the guy in the White House (and honest Republicans have confirmed this again and again).
- A Republican congressman, David Hobson (R-OH) was part of her entourage.
- Republican Congressmen like Joe Pitts, Frank Wolf, Robert Aderholt and Darrell Issa have spent the past few weeks and months racking up tons of frequent-flyer miles going to Syria to do what Bush won't do openly: Work with Syria.
- Bush was given a chance to object to or even stop Pelosi's plans to visit Syria, and said nothing.
- Despite pressure from the Bush White House on Olmert to retroactively deny this, she did indeed carry messages of peace from Israel to Syria's president Assad.
So, everyone knows all this by now -- at least, everyone in the press should know this. My hometown newspaper, the Minneapolis StarTribune does -- or at least their blog watcher, Tim O'Brien, does.
Which is why it was such a shock to see, in the print edition of the StarTribune, a letter to the editor that was nothing but a tissue of GOP lies from start to finish:
PELOSI IN SYRIA
Sounds like treason
What a great job Nancy Pelosi is doing as speaker of the House.
She is spending the taxpayers' money by flying around the world, consorting with sworn enemies of the United States and doing her best to undermine the president and his foreign policies. She is fueling the fires of the radical extreme Muslim terrorists who have sworn to bring down the United States and the Christian world as a whole.
In years past and during previous wars, such actions would be considered treason and the person would be prosecuted.
PAUL BAKER, RICHMOND
Here's why this really frosts me:
As a little fledgling, well before I had molted into my adult Phoenix plumage, I remember writing my very first letters to the editor. My first attempt produced a phone call from a nice, patient lady who explained to me that even though letters were opinions, they had to have some basis in fact or they couldn't be published. If I said something, I had to document it.
This was reinforced repeatedly over the years, with a variety of newspapers, as I grew more loquacious and cussed and disputatious. Always, I was told: We can't publish your letter unless you can show what you're saying is true. We don't want to be caught printing lies.
So from that day to this, whenever I say something, be it a letter to the editor or a piece at FDL or my own blog, I do my level best -- using web links when possible, cites from print copies of books or periodicals when not -- to back up whatever it is I'm saying.
And now I find that, at least where Republicans are concerned, they can say anything they damned well want, true or not -- even when everyone knows it's a lie -- and the paper will still publish it.
Why?
I know I shouldn't be shocked by this. I know it shouldn't surprise me that even the StarTribune, which is constantly under attack by right-wing nutjobs for no decent reason, cowers whenever Republicans clear their throats. (Especially since the former editor, Anders Gyllenhaal, was into treating irrefutable facts as he-said/she-said, and prone to jump when the local arm of the Republican Noise Machine ordered it; it was under his watch that the paper hired longtime archconservative D.J. Tice to run the paper's political coverage, added more syndicated wingnuts to its editorial page, and even hired a complete ninny by the name of Katherine Kersten to provide the latest in barely-filtered Republican talking points to the Strib's largely liberal readership.)
But still, I can't help asking:
Why?
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PW!
So is this another case of, “Project Much?” on the part of the righties?
Hmmm. Weren’t there rumors of Kissinger ruining the peace talks in ‘68 and George Senior getting the Iranians to hold the Hostages until Reagan assumed office?
And don’t forget, Pelosi is going to Iran!
I know this because it’s all over Faux and talk radio.
PW. What with Michele Bachmann, God’s Chosen from the 6th and now a 33 year old US Attorney Paulose who lists Sunday School teacher on her professional resume, Paul Wellstone must be tossing in his grave for Minnesota.
Israel almost shot down Continental Airlines passenger plane.
I like this letter to the Editor better:
BUSH IN IRAQ
Sounds like treason
What a great job Bush is doing as Commander in Chief.
He is spending the taxpayers’ money by flying troops unnecessarily around the world based on lies, creating new enemies of the United States and doing his best to undermine America and its foreign policies. He is fueling the fires of the radical extreme Muslim terrorists who have sworn to bring down the United States and the Christian world as a whole.
In years past and during previous wars, such actions would be considered treason and the person would be prosecuted.
Phoenix Woman,
Send this in to all the papers printing the lies. Your point is very well made.
lolo
Howdy!
EPU’ed from last thread but still somewhat on topic here:
Isn’t this the fourth (at least) smear campaign mounted against Pelosi?
There was the original flap over her support of Murtha for the majority leader spot. Steny Hoyer chosen; Pelosi dealt humiliating defeat, etc.
There was the plane for the Speaker of the House. First thing she does when she gets in office is order up a humungorific plane. Power crazed, I tell ye, power crazed.
There was the one over the Iraq supplemental. Pelosi can’t even get her own people to support this bill. Ha! Then it passes. Well, well, it has pork in it, should be a clean bill, doesn’t fund the troops, blah, blah, blah.
Now there is the trip to Syria. Well, I’m not questioning her patriotism but what’s she doing making nice with terrorists?
I think we can expect many, many more of these attacks.
Why?
Because it’s easier than dealing with reality.
The Republicans and wingnuts are a cult of immaturity. They’re promoting an adolescent worldview of guns, babes who know their place, action, bad guys, and no responsibility. When that view is challenged they lie - it’s not as if they’re aobut truth, responsibility, or mature behavior. They’re trying to maintain their fantasy world.
Me, I’m expecting they’ll greet a Democratic President and more Democrats in congress with a complete meltdown.
Yeah, they don’t want to give up the ghost. I ran across the following this morning in the Tallahassee Democrat:
Will Democrats seek
to prosecute Pelosi?
Nancy Pelosi’s delusions of grandeur in the Middle East recently have been hailed by Democrats as some sort of triumph of diplomacy. I, however, have a better phrase for them: violation of the Logan Act, which provides a fine or imprisonment for “any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government . . . with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government . . . in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States.”
It will be interesting to see how quickly the same Democrats who swarmed like cockroaches on President Bush for firing at-will employees will show consistency in their regard for our nation’s laws and demand that Pelosi be prosecuted. Odds are, of course, that the law need not apply to Pelosi. Bush can’t fire attorneys whom he appointed even though Clinton was well within his rights to fire the U.S. attorney in Arkansas who was investigating him. It is the same “logic” that convinces some people that illegal aliens are just “undocumented” or that the Constitution is a “liquid” document. It’s just the usual convenient Democratic attitude toward the laws of our country.
SAMUEL BERKOWITZ
gnucrew@yahoo.com
I thought about responding but I don’t think there’s anything you can say to these folks, they so want to be seen as the victims.
I have a “Why?” as well. Why has there been complete silence re Diane Feinstein’s recent resignation from her military subcommittee seat amid allegations that she funneled lucrative military contracts to her husband’s company? Sky nEws and Hannity reported it, but noone else that I’ve seen. Does she get a pass because she’s a Democrat? She shouldn’t.
Factsies? We doan need no stinkin’ factsies!!!
I seem to remember reading stories that William Casey was pulling some back door shenanigans in ‘80 to convvince the Iranians to not release the hostages until after Carter was gone. Which they did. Something about wanting to avoid the (now) dreaded October Surprise.
PW. Just want you to know that I lurked off and on over at your site. I just love it that you are here, EVERYDAY !!
lolo
Concern troll?
LS @ 7
Prosecutors dropped all charges Wednesday against the three Duke lacrosse players accused of sexually assaulting a stripper at a party, saying the athletes were innocent victims of a “tragic rush to accuse” by an overreaching district attorney.
A lot of the moonbats here are upset with this!!
I’m STILL waiting for Hobson (R-Septic Leechfield) to tell everybody that he was along, too. I know nothing about him, but his fucking partisan silence breeds a lot of disdain.
Being an empty shell of a dried-up scum-bag might explain his reticence.
ive seen that very letter before, elsewhere..
David Scherrey @ 17
Who cares, that is old news.
Thanks, PW, nice post. You know, I don’t get it either.
Perhaps W’s foreign policy is to show our “enemies” just how confused the U.S’ foreign policy is. If we had adults in the White House and they objected to the speaker’s actions, don’t you think they’d invite her over for a private lunch and read her the riot act? Anger, used effectively, can be used to your advantage.
Instead, they decide to have Elliot Abrams start a public pissing match. The whole thing just makes the U.S. look completely foolish.
Why ?
Because “they” can get away with it. What other reason do “they” need ? It is, of course, ALL about “them” and their projected fantasies.
“Politics is just high school with guns and more money” - Frank Zappa
I was trying to remember the name of the House member who led the charge against Pelosi on the sergeant at arms request for a plane issue knowing it was bogus.
I thought he was from Florida so I was wiki-ing some Florida Congresspeople. I found this entry under Jeff Miller.
I blame Fox. I think the reporting of lies as fact on Fox, the resultant drive at CNN, ABC, and other networks to match or beat Fox in any way they can (meaning: reporting lies with a straight face, panels of pundants who are not challenged on their GOP lies, and the use of the term “some say” as an excuse to push the interview back toward a lie) has created an atmosphere where outright lies are acceptable statements.
Additionally, fighting for ratings and subscriptions has meant pandering to the vocal right wing nutcases. Beating Fox means pulling Fox viewers away, and that means doing Fox-type “news”.
Newspapers are even more complicated, because in addition to having wingers moving into editorial and publishing positions, they’ve got falling subscription rates to combat and nervous execs facing angry shareholders. Cutting costs at the newspaper has reduced the local reporting staff and resulted in running more AP and wire service stories.
Plus there’s this: if the president and vice president can lie with a straight face, and the media outlet doesn’t challenge them on their twisting of the truth but reports their statements as news, how can they challenge a citizen who voices the same lying position? It’s a difficult position to be in.
David 17,
I’m sorry, I don’t get what you are saying…?
Just so you know? I am embarrassed and alarmed that my hometown produced Paul Baker and his ilk. Someone in an earlier comment spoke of the rot going to the core. We are considered part of the heartland, and the fetid stench of this piece is worse than lutefisk. Was reading at Carpetbagger earlier today about Iaccoca’s (how many C’s?) book and comments totally eviscerating Bush. Now Iaccoca is no angel by most definitions, but he’s spot on this week.
Minnesota’s Amy Klobuchar beat the pants off a Bushie in the Senate race because she didn’t allow herself to get sucked in to this kind of crap (pardon me). Nancy Pelosi needs to march on in spite of the Paul Bakers of this world. I am now off to see what I can find out about this guy.
mc >
Exactly !
According to plan. Think about it.
“For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill” - Sun Tzu
sedrunsic @ 19
Can you find it??
Hugh @
23
I think it was ccalled Adam Putnam.
lolo @ 20
You would have been happy if these 3 innocent young men had spent 30 years in jail..
SteveA @ 12
I have to agree with the writer as we all know only Republicans are allowed to screw up foreign policy. It’s in the Constitution someplace. *g*
eCAHNomics @ 134
Brendan @ 124
Amerian & Israeli neocons don’t wand peace in Israel. They want all the territory. Have you noticed how silent Israel has become after Saudi Arabia renewed call for discussions about Palestinian state in 1967 borders. Nope, can’t talk to them on the basis for peace unless Israel gets it all.
from Kathleen
Nancy was recently booed at the A*I*P*A*C conference. Not surprised that she is being targeted by the Jewish Republican coalition. She did have Rep Lantos (Lantos survived a Nazi labor camp, and lost many of his family members in the WWII Holocaust) with her in Syria. Why she is being slammed this hard for extending an olive branch is counter-productive. It makes one wonder if it is true that Israel may not want Peace?
We know the defense contractors who are getting rich making sales in the middle east do not want Peace.
read the article at Haartz “Israel does not want peace”
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/846420.html
This debate having to do with the Israeli lobby at Cooper Union received very little MSM coverage. Surprised?
Really worth watching the whole debate
http://www.scribemedia.org/200…..ael-lobby/
Another great debate about the I/P conflict at Democracy Now
http://www.democracynow.org/fi…..nami.shtml
Another great website filled with info about the I/P conflict.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
Edited by Mod *
Why?
because they can, that’s why.
yellowdogD @
4
Then off to cavort with Sheik Omar and the Taliban. But first, she has to stop off at the FAUX studios, so Bill O’Reilly can fit her out for her birka.
I assume everyone must know by now that the Pentagon has announced that all 145,000 troops will have their tours extended by three months.
LS @
25
I think a couple of concern trolls are lurking.
I always hate when these uneducated hacks bring religion into the debate. Syria is about to bring down the Christian world ? Do they even know there’s a Christian population in Syria (obviously a minority, but still) ? One of my best friend is both Syrian and Christian. I cringed when her country was put on the axis of evil. It’s so easy to label people yo know nothing about.
dakine01 @ 35
I guess they didn’t read the actual post…
I’ve long wondered these same thoughts about the LTE section of the Star and Trib. Also, why Katherine Kersten has a job at any news organization, let alone the Star and Trib is beyond me. Just her atrocious writing alone should get her sent to the back of the class.
kathleen @ 30
It’s not that the Israel doesn’t want peace. It’s the neocons in Israel & U.S. who don’t want peace.
Everyone knows what the solution is for Israel-Palestine. The fact that it hasn’t happened in 40 years tells you all you need to know.
barbara @ 32
They also announced that the Bush family would have their non-tours extended by that much.
Is that Star Tribune “blog-watcher” the Tim O’Brien who wrote “The Things They Carried” and “In the Lake of the Woods”? Helluva writer, that guy.
barbara @ 33
145,000 families are now very PO’d at W, minus the ones who already were. 100,000 here, 100,000 there. Pretty soon it adds up to real votes.
LS @ 38 says:
They don’t need to read it. Makes no difference what the actual thread is if they can get it off track.
OKKiddo’s gonna cry when he finds out what happened here while he was correcting quadratic equation exams…
dakine01 @ 43
They don’t need to read it. Makes no difference what the actual thread is if they can get it off track.
I hear you…
Porco Rosso @ 3
IIRC, the guy directing Carter’s hostage rescue attempt was Oliver North. All kinds of things went on that screwed up that mission, and I’ve read that negotiations were possibly hampered by CIA people loyal to Regan/Bush. Or not. But there is a body of speculation and reporting out there that claims that the rescue, at least, was compromised.
Ed*ard Teller @ 45
Ding! with a chuckle…)
The name I was looking for was Adam Putnam I believe. He attacked Pelosi over the Speaker’s plane not because he had any knowledge of it as a member but because he read about it in that even trustier than the WaPo paper the Washington Times. Even after he was corrected he still called the flap the first break Republicans have had since the Mark Foley scandal broke.
A curious piece of trivia.
I guess there was more than one guy with a “deer caught in the headlights” look there that day.
I wish someone would put up footage of what the republican assholes were saying and doing during the Clinton years. Expose these idiots as the hypocritical, evil bastards all those repuke voters with very short memories can’t bring themselves to recall.
Ed*ard Teller @ 43
I used to like quadratic quations. I even tried to teach it to my son, who couldn’t get it. IIRC, it ended by his throwing the book at me, or storming out of the room, or something in a similar vein.
CNN (Wolf B) just connected a bunch of Dems with Imus and his “bigoted” statements, saying how they stand by their man. That is just outrageous. The media is really on the attack.
tbsa @ 50
Just read the “Contract with America”.
I support our Speaker of the House.
LS @ 51
I’ve been seeing this for the last two days. Where do they get this liberals-backing-Imus stuff? Another “little lie” sewn up out of whole cloth? Weird, just weird.
Hugh @ 31
“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
http://www.capitolhillblue.com.....7779.shtml
Badwater @
41
This looks BAD for Iran too.
I saw a pretty convincing speculation that Bushie would do his best to find some way to attack Iran by May or June while Tony Blair is still vaguely in power as the only member of the joke coalition with a real military. Basic idea because “he wants to”, and to muddy his Iraq defeat and legacy. Sorry, I don’t remember the source, something much more credible than the Strib. Anybody got it?
LS @ 52
What can you really expect from a bunch of Conservative Numb Nuts?
Oklahoma kiddo @
54
Missed ya. Check the previous thread, especially Morris at #60.
Bil @ 55
If W bombs Iran, British troops are toast. Iranin army will overrun the border in hoards & slaughter them.
Badwater @ 53
Contract ON America is a more honest title.
With every passing day it pleases me more and more that while living in Cali I cast my vote over and over for Speaker Pelosi.
Rocket Scientist @ 56
Okay. This is totally over the top. And if it’s true, and if it can be proved, surely, surely this is the back-breaking straw (she screamed in her incredible naivete).
LS @ 51
On the other hand, the Imus story is reaching it’s saturation point and the Anna Nicole story is dead. News channel producers need to create another angle to increase controversy and viewer interest in the Imus story, so the ad rates can be defended next week with this week’s viewer numbers. Oh, and beat Fox to the punch. Gotta sell those cars and loans and soap.
PW,
I read the Duluth paper online quite often..
Here’s an excerpt from a letter published April 4 (written by someone in GA):
outta here. 78F in my greenhouse and cilantro, romaine, shiso and betel seeds call. best cure ever for lingering SAD from a lllloooonnngggg fucking winter…
Hugh @
49
Hugh, I guess you missed my comment at 29 reply to your #23…I’ll try not to break my arm patting myself on the back now. :})
kathleen @ 32
What was edited off of what I wrote.
Your note that you edited what I said is “inflammatory” and bullshit and I object.
marksb @
55
You mean lib dems like McCain and Rudy and all the other congressional republics that also go on the show?
RJ @ 42:
I don’t think its the same Tim O’Brien, but I’m not positive. The novelist O’Brien was born and grew up in small-town southern MN (my home area), and went to undergraduate at Macalaster College in St. Paul. His Wikipedia entry suggests, but does not unequivocally state, that he is now based in Texas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_O’Brien_(author)
Would someone please slap me so I can settle down? If the POTUS, who has sworn on his Bible to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, etc., etc., etc. declares that it is nothing more than a piece of paper . . . just sayin’.
There will never, ever, be peace, in the Middle East without a Palestinian homeland.
In all of the discussion of these attacks of Pelosi, no one has mentioned what I think is the obvious reason for the venom.
If Bush and Cheney are removed from office, who would become President?
It is vital for the Republicans to make Pelosi as intolerable to the populace if they can. It is a desperate act of self preservation. Consequently, we can only expect these attacks to continue and become more repugnant as time goes on.
dakine01 #67,
Thanks, I was jumping around trying to catch up and somehow missed it.
barbara @ 71
Ah, but it wasn’t a blood oath sworn under the darkness of the moon so it doesn’t count. Besides, IOKWIAR.
SteveA @
12
That’s funny. I think someone posted a pretty cogent argument suggesting the Logan Act applied more accurately to our Beloved Bush Baby.
barbara @ 71
That was after he said that the Bible’s just a damn book.
Maybe only people like Paul Baker are actually buying the dead tree press, and they want to keep making sales any way they can.
Hugh @ 74
Just busting on ya a little. I had to think about for a couple of minutes to come up with the name. IIRC, both the NYT and the ComPost did sycophant profiles on him recently.
I was travelling yesterday so not sure if this letter from Waxman to Fielding got mentioned, dated April 10th. It does show Hanry is getting impatient:
During Msnbc’s David Gregory’s interview with Richard Holbrooke, Gregory referred to Pelosi’s trip to Syria as “pursuing a shadow foreign policy”, Holbrooke slammed him.
Carl from L.A. @ 73
You make an excellent point. By constantly attacking Pelosi, it takes the focus off their inemurable scandals and let’s them rally their base of wingjobs. I think everytime the Wingnuts grind up an erroneous attack, a new round of subpoena’s go out. It would definetly quiet the news cycles.
Carl from L.A. @ 73
That hadn’t occurred to me, but it seems right on target.
dakine01 @ 75
Okay, I give up on the IOKWIAR (sigh). Well, if not an impeachable offense, then surely a major smack from the Christian right for the POTUS who breaks a commandment by calling the Constitution nothing but a goddamn piece of paper.
See, I’m still frothing.
Carl from L.A. @ 72
Well, there is that…but I think the idea of the Democratic Party being seen (or branded) as the party of the sensible, smart grandmother who can manage circles around these lying crooks just scares them to death. Heh.
Wait, wait!! I Only Know What I Am >>>>> ???
Carl from L.A. @ 73
You cannot assume that Pelosi would be President, even if Cheney and his puppet are both gone. Think back to Nixon. There was no “President Agnew”.
eCAHNomics @ 60.
Iran’s border facing the US forces is much longer.
how will the survivors get out? Up through Turkey, a fur piece; through Syria, Har Har; through Jordan, out through Aqaba, Yair right! — and HM King Abdullah is unl;ikely to let them go out through Israel.
They certainly will not be getting out by ship down the Gulf, and it is most unlikely the airfields will be usable with a couple of million Iranian soldiers and Guards milling around.
This is getting worse and worse. CNN this morning, citing unidentified WH sources, said that there were intel signs that Syria AND Iraq were both importing IEDs specifically to kill our soldiers. I’m reasonably certain that Iraqi militants are perfectly capable of making their own IEDs… if they’re truly dependent on imported IEDs then we should be winning this war…. in all likelihood another well-timed outright lie through innuendo.
Bingo! Another of my emails read on caffertyfile!
Barbara @ 63 & 71:
I recall seeing that item when it was first posted in 2005, and searched in vain for another, less obviously partisan citation. That’s not to say I seriously doubt that it occurred; it’s entirely in character.
kathleen @ 68
You may have reviewed what was posted, but you did not edit anything. By printing that you edited what I posted you infer that something was inappropriate and I object!
eCAHNomics @ 89
What did you say?
barbara @ 84 says:
See, I’m still frothing.
But barbara, that’s the essence of IOKWIAR. It’s the Christian Right who seem to drive this. That’s why the Newt can go on James Dobson’s show and get complete absolution for all his sins, past and present, including having affairs with his future wifes while still married to the previous ones while Clinton gets slammed for actually staying married to one woman and apologizing. It’s OK for Newt becuz he’s a Republican but becuz Clinton’s a dem, he was obviously not sincere with his apologies.
barbara @ 86
It’s OK W Is A Republican.
maunga @ 88
Yeah. I knew that. The Brits’ll get slaughtered right away & ours will get slaughtered more slowly. I asked my army major efriend if we have enuf air power to evacuate U.S. troops but he won’t answer my question.
barbara @ 86
IOKWIAR=It’s OK When It’s A Republican
I’m not sure I heard it correctly, but I think Tucker just teased that he has a story that will “vindicate” him for saying the Plame investigation was a “hoax.”