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I saw Charlie Rose interview David Gregory chief White House correspondent of NBC last night. For me the jury has been out on Gregory. Sometimes when he is asking questions at a presser, he seems like he understands what’s going on. But often when he gives his reports on TV, he comes across as completely vapid. So I watched his segment on Rose with interest. It was very much a pseudo-thoughtful discussion of the stories surrounding the Bush Presidency by two pseudo-thoughtful men. Issue after issue they discussed without ever once stumbling upon its salient point.
These are two men who sound reasoned as long as you don’t look too closely at just how muddleheaded and intellectually lazy their thinking is. Neither gets the crux of the attorney firings scandal, that political appointments are not meant to be blank checks to stack positions of trust with partisan hacks and political cronies. On Iraq, Gregory portrays Bush and Rice as two innocents left to the mercies of Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Powell, but moments later says that people don’t realize how thoughtful Bush is on the issues. Rose chimes in agreeing. It was really there they lost me.
Bush being thoughtful must be the best kept secret in Washington. Just think how he has managed to hide any evidence of it for 6 long years.
Listening to them, I came to the conclusion that these are two comfortable, immensely self-satisfied guys who have learned the great secret of American journalism in the present age. It is enough to see the trees, don’t bother about the forest. And they don’t.
They are totally oblivious to the fact that Bush is angling for the spot of worst President in our 200 year plus history, that the Iraq war (4 years and counting) is a failure, and that the hallmarks of the Bush Presidency are cronyism, corruption, criminality, and incompetence. None of this affects or informs their journalism. We live in disturbed and disturbing times yet Rose, Gregory, and so many other journalists are far too comfortable to notice. For them it is always business as usual no matter how unusual events become. Bush can inflict any disaster on us or on the world and in their narcotized state it all appears normal. Bush is misunderstood, thoughtful, maybe a trifle naive, but well meaning. In such a light, to tie Bush to the long litany of his scandals and disasters seems a bit much, a bit mean.
In short, they don’t see the obvious around them because they don’t want to see it, they don’t want to know. They don’t want to rock the boats of the powerful because they are mortally afraid the powerful will rock theirs. Journalism has become not a den of muckrakers but a refuge for the Sergeant Schultzes of this world. They go along to get along. They have learned the secret to success is to be ineffective. And how very, very successful they are.
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Typo police: “worse President” should be “worst President”.
Has David Gregory EVER told us his version of his conversation with Ari in the Plame case?
Jane!
OT- Rep. Lee Terry (R) calls for gonzo’s resignation.
To further this discussion, I hope the article posted today at TPM Cafe by Brent Budowsky (sp?) reaches all of the MSM who continue to make light of the CIA outing. He makes it so clear what treachery the Bush administration is guilty of - whether they are ever prosecuted for it or not.
Betty
For me, seeing Gregory backup-dancing for Rove’s rap the other night removed all doubts that he is an empty suit. The best course of action would naturally be not to attend such suckupfests, but still he had the option of saying “No, I will not further enable camaraderie with a mass murderer by sharing the stage with such a monster. I’d rather make a scene TYVM.”
Even though Gregory didn’t do that, I still took great pleasure, through my own vomit, in seeing Rove making a total fool of himself in public.
OT, But how is Jane? Can we send cookies or anything? Soup?
Washington is a difficult town to work in. Chess moves. Not everything is apparent.
I used to think the White House Press Corp were held back from asking the hard questions by the Corporate Owners.
Now I know it’s that when your kids are in the same daycare together, it’s just too discomforting to confront liars in the workplace.
We’ve seen time and time again that the press think they gain access by being Washington Insiders, but in fact they are merely being used.
HUGS x 10-to-the-cows-come-home (Jane)
I firmly believe that every once in awhile you must clear your mind of this crap or you will go insane with rage.
The way I am going to get away from bush etal tonight is watch:
Ohio State vs. Georgetown @ 6:07PM (ET)
Florida vs. UCLA @ 8:47PM (ET)
david at 8 — She’s doing very well, thanks. She and Jeralyn are hanging out this weekend, and Jeralyn’s fixing her some scallops for dinner this evening. She’s been taking daily walks with the poodles and things, thus far, have gone well.
Great post Hugh - I saw that too and was just sickened by Gregory (and Charlie Rose too, who has always driven this old southern newsbrat nuts and woefully embarrased again for him).
Your post contributes immeasurably to the exposure of all American media whores and am going to share it far and wide. Many thanks.
Cronyism, corruption, criminality, and incompetence describe the Bush family business. It’s amazing that they escape press scrutiny. Besides their vast and growing wealth, I guess they are forunate to live in an era where being like Limbaugh has replaced being like Murrow.
Hugh,
I couldn’t agree more. It is why I am hopeful when I watch Olbermann and sometimes Maher that we are seeing some very smart folk in the media go after their own. Although, I am peeved that Maher doesn’t seem to get the Tillman scandal. I know it’s lame to say he doesn’t have kids so … but how can he back the army and all the folks that lied to the Tillman family? He did it on Olbermann and on his own show last night. But he did GANK BUSH very well.
Amen.
Frank Probst @ 2
Well, I can’t change it, but ouch, that’s one I should never have made. Thanks.
[Modnote: repaired]
It should be as plain as the nose on your face. The Washington press corps is a “company union”. that it mirrors the “company” program isn’t surprising at all.
The David Gregorys of the world are unwilling to accept the one salient fact that ought to inform every piece of reporting they do: that this is an administration of criminals who are despoiling the entire political process.
This is not just business as usual. Cut out the backslapping and cocktail parties and camaraderie with these snakes. Report the ugly truth.
Was Gregory asked about his purported role in the leaking of Valerie Plame’s identity? Was he asked whether in fact Ari Fleischer leaked the information to him in Africa in July 2003?
Been watching David Gregory for a while now. Have come to the considered conclusion that he’s a nice guy.
Not exactly an insult, but in his position not a compliment either.
Gregory seems like he enjoys doing a little baiting during pressers, but after that little exersize in weenie wrangling is over he’s more than happy to offer up bland and relatively uncritical bromides in order to maintain the status quo.
David Shuster on the otherhand should be given a weekly show of investigative reports on MSNBC.
-GSD
These ‘journalists’ also fail to realize that this period of history is going to be far more accurately documented than any which preceded it, and their names shall be shamed forevermore, as well, being the enablers and perpetuators of this administrative travesty.
Listening to them, I came to the conclusion that these are two comfortable, immensely self-satisfied guys who have learned the great secret of American journalism in the present age. It is enough to see the trees, don’t bother about the forest. And they don’t.
Well put. My head explodes everytime one of these bobbleheads comes on and implicitly equates “information” with “knowledge,” or even worse, “wisdom.”
It is the casual attitude that there is nothing particularly extraordinary about the Bush Presidency. The largest terrorist attack in our history, a ginned up, unnecessary war, allowing New Orleans and New Orleanians to drown, the constant drumbeat of assaults on the Constitution and our rights, the trashing of basic beliefs like those that prohibit torture, and none, none of these things has the slightest effect on them and how they view and report Bush and the news. Fatuous, complaisant, co-opted, oblivious, I don’t know how to describe it.
I was reading Glenn Greenwald this morning and he had a long piece on John Harris and the Politico in which he expresses similar frustration.
Gregory is just lie every other lazy reporter. It’s too haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard to go after the truth, when you can just regurgitate press releases.
It’s important to remember reporters are no longer truth-seekers, they’re just stenographers. Most of them wouldn’t know research from paper birch.
I remember a quote from Richard Wolfe after the big “slam-a-blog” where he claimed (about us) “They want us to be ideologues.”
Richard, were Woodward and Bernstein ideologues when they went after the Watergate story?
We want reportage that challenges the fucking BULLSHIT that ASSHOLES like Tony Snow spew. I’m sorry, in a “wouldn’t wish that on anyone” kind of way, that ol’ Tony’s probably on the clock for the Astral Plane, but I can’t say I’m going to miss him much. I wouldn’t miss Gregory, Wolfe, Carlson, Tweety, TIMMAY, Carville, Begala, or many others either. They just keep sucking up at the Bushco tits and it makes me want to PUKE.
Don’t EVEN get me started on Andrea Mitchell.
We need reporters with courage and guts who are willing to pursue the truth , without regard for whether they get invited to beltway parties.
[CHS notes: The mods and I appreciate that you added the “wouldn’t wish that on anyone” part, because you are correct — we wouldn’t wish that on anyone.]
newspaperbrat @
14
And it wasn’t so long ago that Gregory was giving SnowJob a hard time. Has he figured it’s better to get along now? Newspapers and the nightly news wonder why they are losing readers/viewers. It’s because they suck. They are not the 4th Estate anymore. They aren’t much more than SnowJob’s PR assistants.
Adam Friedman @
16
There are other things Maher doesn’t get. Some of his comments are so spot on, but others sound like Coulter or Malkin outtakes.
His performances on Countdown have been particularly problematic. I think he’s jealous.
GSD,
I agree about David Shuster. Listening to one of his reports, always makes me wonder how they let him in the building. His straightforward news reporting sticks out like a sore thumb in the morass of cable news infotainment.
Hugh– here’s a Luckovich cartoon that Christy/Bob Geiger shared this morning that reminds me of your brilliant summation of this presidency:
“cronyism, corruption, criminality, and incompetence”
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/con.....rseme.html
it could also refer to the media.
on topic, off topic, i dunno, but you should read this this piece at TPM about the Plame case.
Well,this is so well-put. I had hope for Gregory, but, yeah, seeing the performance w/ Rover pretty well cancelled that.
And GSD’s post downstairs about the D.C. interim U.S. Attorney losing a tax case big-time - and $100 million — because of bad(stupid, ignorant, inexperienced) drafting of a plea agreement is just — depressing. He cited the wrong statute.
I could’ve done better than that, and I would never have put my name in for U.S.A. they used to be seasoned, experienced lawyers with good judgment, plus some political savvy.
Oh yes (don’t have the link) - he came straight out of the Administration, with apparently no courtroom experience. Not much better than Sampson.
Sigh.
Good points, Hugh. Modern western journalism has sadly devolved into (to paraphrase Frank Zappa) a million people standing in shit up to their chin yelling, “DONT MAKE A WAVE!”.
The examples of what happens to those who report uncomfortable truths are etched finely into the minds of those who might dare to follow, and the lucrative opportunities for those who elect to dabble in happy chat or useful foolery on behalf of corporate interests are highlighted as the only acceptable alternative to impartial honesty within a narrowing status quo.
Gregory is a “wannabee” to the nth degree. If this is possible, he blows with the political wind more than Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton. Gregory can’t figure out where he fits at NBC or anywhere for that matter. He is a pathetic prostitute of the corporate media who shouldn’t ever be mentioned in the context of objective and investigative journalism. Perhaps he may be under consideration for White House press secretary. He seems to have the credentials for this.
egregious @
9
Got secrets, Egregious?
Josh over at TPM has this at the bottom of his post on the campaign against Syria:
Elliot is a Bushie!
angie @ 30
That’s so funny. There must be something in the air today that’s bringing all this out.
Modern TV Reporters are either auditioning for a spot on Fox News or auditioning to keep their spot on Fox News.
gregory lost to me with the rove boogy…that is not redeemable.
rap as gooper blackface.
when you sup with the devil, bring a long spoon–inherit the wind—or maybe somewhere else, too.
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Howard Feinmann on Olberman last night was talking like he got the connections between Rove’s abuses of gov’t resources (DOJ, GSA in particular) and Rove’s goal to create the permanent Republican majority.
He looked like a guy who has been wanting to say this for a long time, and maybe the wind is changing so he can.
Not apologizing for the MSM, or expecting too much of it, but maybe there is a chance they are regrowing cojones.
Omigod: Dana Perino, one of our Mass Comm graduates, is stepping in for Tony Snow. Don’t remember if she was in my class in 1990 (which tells you something about one of us). She was prominent on campus, but it’s a relatively small school (around 4,000 students).
Where did we go wrong?
Personally, I think the MSM purposely higher really dumb people who can’t think to save their lives, but who are very photogenic, which makes me wonder how Charlie Rose got his job. Charlie is not good looking, and stopped thinking a number of years back. During the buildup to the war, he was salivating on his show, talking about the U.S.’s “awesome power”. He just kept repeating this phrase over and over again. He’s totally in with the Bush crowd.
Christy at 13. Thank you.
Terry Olson @ 35
If it is chess, it is one humongously long game. If we’re talking just about Gregory. How many years does it take to position oneself? How many years of back scratching others to what end? If Gregory does this long enough he will have done it his whole career and be ready to retire before his chess game is done. He may not be the top of the heap but he is the chief correspondent at a major network. If he is still so constrained that he can’t tell it like it is, perhaps he should find another line of work.
AZ Matt @ 36
One might say that Bush, in spite of his current ‘accidental President’ credentials is a “Bushie” to this Straussian NeoWar criminal.
While Junior was struggling with the subjective meanings of the Christian life in his modest summer villa after decades spent in hedonistic rapture, Abrams was covering up military massacres before breakfast.
albert fall @ 40
Probably not. Fineman was positively gleeful when Kerry made his “botched joke” right before the election. He was on Countdown that day, and had a smile nearly a mile wide. The tone in his voice was “yes, some good news for Republicans! Some good news for my king!”. Well, Fineman’s king didn’t get a reprieve.
Fineman will be back to his praise the king mode shortly…
Hugh -
Issue after issue they discussed without ever once stumbling upon its salient point.
You are one of the very best!
Gregory says all that, too, knowing that Cheney “controls the message” on his friend Timmy’s show, and the Gregory KNEW the President as lying about not knowing who was leaking Plame etc.
Bush being thoughtful must be the best kept secret in Washington.
The really sad underlying point - given what passes for thoughtful with todays reporters, he may actually believe that.
*sigh*
The south has no clout in Washington…thank goodness…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....hern-clout
Let’s not forget the nexus of coitus and corruption.
Cokie and Steve Roberts.
Mr. and Mrs. Alan Greenspin.
NBC’s Campbell Brown and CPA spindouche Dan Senor.
Judith Miller and Washington DC.
I also just found out that Margaret Carlson used to date Fred “Shut-up and act” Thompson.
-GSD
Bush being thoughtful…another whopper from the MSM…
I gave up on the MSM years ago…brilliant move on my part, I must say…
Just arrived at the lake. Who borrowed my favorite towel? *s* I caught snippets of DG and Hugh once again nails it. Charlie really lost any and all fact checking or serious questioning after his heart attack..jmho
He is now embarassing his once fair to midland reputation. Why are facts so damn irrelevant to so many? *sigh*
Another great MSM whopper…
“You don’t have to be smart to be president” David Gergen kept repeating that one…
The MSM like Bush so much because he’s a completely arrogant, ignorant, narcissistic asshole like they are….
Gergen recently stated that the Bush administration had been “remarkably free” of corruption.
Wow, that was a stunner.
-GSD
Remember when Bush said he read “3 Shakespeares”? And Rove and him were having a reading contest? The MSM had to know they were lying, but they said nothing. So, either they did believe him, or his blatant lying and the insulting of their intelligence is OK.
OT: ccmask from the travel thread this am, asking about the price of the trip to Milan, $3,800 for flight and 8 days hotel.
Two thoughts:
1) That price seems high. We have a flight to Amsterdam, and an apartment there for several days, for a lot less. If you are staying somewhere for a week, use www.vrbo.com to see if you cannot find an apartment, which is a lot more fun than a hotel. Use www.tripadvisor.com to get advice. Travelers congregate there, and we always use the site when we prepare to travel. My spouse comments there, and loves to talk about travel.
2) I am not that fond of Milan. It is a working city, not much of tourist interest there. It is hard to use as a base city because there is not much nearby. Can you get a hotel in Florence? It is a three hour train ride, has enormous tourist potential, which could easily consume a 1 week vacation. We lived there for two months in 2003, and just love it. There is an great ex-pat community there, you can get a toe in the door at St. James Church. If you wanted to fly into Milan, you could go there a day before your flight out, see the Last Supper, the Cathedral, and Victorian glass thing I cannot remember the name of in a few hours, and never have to go there again.
GSD @ 56
Yeah, forgot about that one…
I have a cat who can’t speak English, can’t read, can’t run a computer, but is more intelligent than the MSM.
My sentiments exactly. I don’t personally know any high-flying journalists –my world is high-flying academics — but I certainly have the impression that they are rich and lazy, and lucky to be where they are at the top of the journalistic pecking order. It has to be due to the dumbing down of TV news, which was a corporate decision; otherwise, these guys would never be where they are. It’s possible they might be good under a different regime, but the odds are that they have been selected for qualities that would not survive under honest journalism.
The world looks different when you’re rich, at least for a while. I know from experience.
Eliott Abrams is one of the original neocons. So inflaming the situation with Syria is unsurprising. One of his cohorts Robert Joseph recently quit at State because like John Bolton he had a hissy fit that Condi was actually trying diplomacy with North Korea instead of the usual threats and bluster. I didn’t know until yesterday when emptywheel said it that Joseph was the one responsible for inserting the 16 words into the 2002 SOTU. The point to all this being these guys keep turning up and when they do it’s always bad.
Hey Hugh, loved your post. I am a long, long time Rose watcher. And I do so like his interviews with artists, techies and even scientists. Which to me are close to a conversation you might hear over a dinner party. But his political guests are always staging their answers for their professional image. The conversations lack authenticity.
I saw that interview last night and agree with you. Did you see the the Novak interview a few weeks ago? Where Novak went all bug eyed and gasping called Armitidge a GOSSIP. Hysterical, but it was frustating because Rose had no new research on the info that had just come out at the Libby trial which would have made for an interesting interview. He let Novak which I’m guessing to be an old friend run the interview.
Also, Charlie was very very affected by 9/11 and it had a big impact on how he does political interviews. They changed.
I’ve followed your comments on Rose’s show in the comments for a while, so great to see a post on it.
GSD @ 54
It’s like saying the Chicago stockyards are remarkably free of bovine excrement.
;>)
Gregory lost me when I saw him cavorting on stage in that strange “MC Rove” video. He just seemed way too chummy with Rove et al.
darkblack @ 63
Or saying that the Chicago Cubs have a winning formula….
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 56
I kept thinking he meant 3 sonnets, so the claim was technically accurate.
That claim also made me think about Shakespeare’s quote about there being three kinds of great men: Those who are born great, those who achieve greatness, and those who have greatness thrust upon them. I think George W Bush may have achieved the rare trifecta of having a shot at all three, and blowing every single one of them.
Frank Probst @ 66
He blew all three, definitely. He could have had greatness after 9/11, if he really united the country, but he fucked that up, just like everything else he’s done in his life….
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 63
The ringing in one’s ears from the thunderous impact of jaws hitting the ground subsides quicker in that example
;>)
Janeane in #66 said:
“That claim also made me think about Shakespeare’s quote about there being three kinds of great men: Those who are born great, those who achieve greatness, and those who have greatness thrust upon them. I think George W Bush may have achieved the rare trifecta of having a shot at all three, and blowing every single one of them.”
As did Malvolio, who said that in Twelfth Night, revealing delusions of grandeur. Someone please take a photo when GW starts showing off his yellow stockings.
Marg @ 69
And to think, the MSM still love their king, despite the glaringly obvious truth that he’s the worst president in history.
Listening to them, I came to the conclusion that these are two comfortable, immensely self-satisfied guys who have learned the great secret of American journalism in the present age. It is enough to see the trees, don’t bother about the forest. And they don’t.
I think that they don’t even see the trees…just the knot-holes. Tiny little bits of nothing!
I like what Maher said recently on Larry King (and his own show), that the MSM’s great experiment at having a really dumb guy as president is an abysmal failure and it should never be taken on again. Maher also said that it was a good thing that George Allen (former R-Virginia) lost, because the MSM and the GOP were grooming him for the new spot. He was even called George W. Bush II by some in the MSM….
masaccio @ 56
tripadvisor.com is excellent! I’ve been using it for about 10 years to read customer reviews of resorts in Cozumel (where else? ; ) before I book a trip. I comment there as well.
Late coming to the thread. I liked your post, Hugh.
What I find particularly loathsome is the “happy talk” prevalent among the anchors in both cable and broadcast news. This practice emerged in the early 1980s at WABC (Channel 7) in NYC to make news “viewer friendly” for consumers, and then spread like a virus throughout local and national electronic MSM.
I think Gregory doesn’t want to give anyone quotes that could be interpreted as evidence of an agenda. Objective reporter asking tough questions and all that.
It’s old school but it was a good school.
I often wonder why reporters like that are asked on to political shows asking for their opinions when those folks just want to report on the specific facts they know. They are the anti-pundits.
Good news about Jane. Scallops for dinner? Hm hm.
Jane: Much love.
Charlie Rose is the biggest brown nosing, name dropping syncophant on teevee. I pretty much stopped watching him during the dot com boom when he slavered over every internet con man he could find. And he just loves to pepper his interviews w/ reminders of what freinds he is w ‘Sumner’ (redstone) and Jeff (Bezos) and on and on. But all of that pales in comparision to the way he paraded the cheerleeders for bush and the war in 02/03. He had friedman on constantly. May they be bunkmates in hell.
mr guitar playing Bastard..( what a handle )
I can understand your frustration and concern about the MSM reporting.
I have some conflicted views though..
I want my reporters to report and my analyst to analyze the news..
That means if the Bush WH is spewing pure crap..report it..don’t color it with your views. You are a poorly paid professional reporter..just do your job.
Now..I depend on the smart discernments of the professional news analysts and opinion makers.
I remember Nixon spouting crap like the Silent majority and the media reported it…but they also reported us demonstrating at colleges and in DC. Silent Majority??? Hey Nixon..Hey Bush. Open your window dough-heads..We are yelling here!! get out of Nam!! and get the hell out of Iraq!!
Flipped over to Rose interview during “House” (the stupid dr. show) commercials. As dumb as House is, Rose/Gregory were worse. Zero, absolute zero, command of the obvious. And the line about how thoughtful W is (sorry to say I personally heard that one) made me scream at the TV. It would be hard to take Gregory seriously after that boner. I agree with your analysis that this results from the desire of MSM sorts to be members of what we used to call ‘the beautiful people,’ though in this context it should be called ‘the powerful people.’ Gregory’s body language said it all-smirk, smirk, smirk. I’m-on-the-inside-and-that-makes-me-better-than-you-are.
The only thing that makes me hopeful is that the MSM are putting themselves out of business. Fewer readers, fewer viewers. And it seems that the detrioration is a downward spiral. Perhaps it stems from the fact that the lower they go, the less they can attract real talent. Or from the fact that they can’t face their dismal futures and thus use denial as a coping technique. They do seem to become more haughty by the day.
Charlie Rose and David Gregory just can’t see the truth…yeah right…double wallet guys?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.....a_contacts
Speaking of “thoughtful,” Hugh, yours is one of the more thoughtful considerations of American pseudo-journalism which I have seen. Thank you. I would add another dimension to what you have written: If you notice, the “journalists” are far more specific regarding Democratic misdeeds and seem not to be afraid about digging deeper when it comes to ferreting out incompetent and corrupt Democratic politicians. To me this signifies that these journalists are republics, if not in fact, then surely in spirit.
I was looking at a story in the LA Times, when I walked past the rack at the grocery this morning, that was about Shrub not shunning his rejected nominees. (Apparently he’s doing recess appointments for some of them who couldn’t get through the Senate legitimately. We have work to do, again.) My first thought after that was ‘George, what part of ‘No!’ do you not understand?’
eCAHNomics @ 78
They are losing their readership, because of content, not style. Why do they think people go to blogs? We’re just a bunch of anti-social, angry leftists, that’s it!
The MSM does have a “superior than thou” attitude. That’s probably another underlying reason they love Bush and Lieberman so much…
I thought it was quite telling that Rove joked about mutilating small animals.
Quite telling indeed.
Mr. small animal mutilator works for a man who mocks those on death row and who was once a frog blower-upper as a child.
Crawford Caligua’s indeed, sociopaths to the core.
All to the cheers, laughter and glee of the beltway punditocracy too.
-GSD
Is this photo of Karl Rove in Chattanooga photoshopped? The accompanying article, about the gwb43 domain name, apparently isn’t treating it like it is fake.
One example of how the media have fallen down in doing their jobs is the Iraq supplemental.
The first storyline they pushed was that Pelosi was a wimp and couldn’t get her own side together.
The second line was that benchmarks would never survive in the Senate version.
The third is that Bush will veto it and that the Congress unable to override a Presidential veto will automatically have to strip out the benchmarks.
All during this process the media have frequently referred to the Democrats’ attempt to defund the troops and the war. Only recently have a few reported that well, the Democratic supplemental in fact does fund the troops. Absent from the discussion is the fact that Republicans in both the House (198) and in the Senate (46) have voted against the funding in the supplemental. There have been no stories on why Republicans hate our troops whereas there would have been a plethora of them if the situation had been reversed with Democrats voting against a funding bill.
Another aspect left out of early stories on this was that this bill was destined for a conference committee. Because benchmarks appear in both House and Senate versions, they will remain in the final bill, but even if they had been absent in the Senate version they could still have been added back in by conferees.
The final aspect of the supplemental that the media shorts in its coverage is that this is an appropriations bill, a must pass piece of legislation. Republicans can’t torpedo it and then just walk away as they did with the earlier toothless Senate resolutions. Some version of the supplemental has to become law because at some point May, June, or July the military will run out of money. What reporters fail to recognize is that even if Bush vetoes this supplemental he will have to sign another at some point. So it is perfectly conceivable that Bush vetoes the first supplemental, the Congress makes cosmetic changes and repasses it. What is Bush going to do then? Veto again? Even though such a veto would endanger the troops? Who would be blamed?
What the media fail to take into account is that it is the Democratic supplemental that does the two things Americans want: fund the troops and show us the way out of Iraq. What does Bush have to offer? More war.
Again why are the media not covering this aspect of the story? Why do they act like they don’t know how a bill becomes law? Why do they ignore the polls that show the vast majority of Americans side with the Democrats on this? Why are they not doing their jobs?
What Bush has achieved brings to mind one of the themes of shakespeare’s tetralogy ( the eight history plays). Order spiraling into chaos, the end-point represented by Richard III, the bunchback toad, the boar. Wish Bush was as harmless as Malvolio though perhaps he’ll end up in a darkroom, judged, discredited and driven out…..
{{{{Jane}}}}}!
Just never forget that all of electronic MSM is under the aegis of multinational corporations:
CBS: Viacom
NBC: General Electric
ABC: Disney
MSNBC: NBC: GE
CNN: TimeWarner
Fox: NewsCorp
In the movie “For Your Consideration” the send up of Rose was perfect.
Possibly the worst example of his behavior was an interview with Edwin Schlossberg -Rose never let him finish a sentence. That was the last time I watched.
As for Gregory, he enjoys the humor(sic) of Don Imus.
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @
54
He should know given his time in the Ray-guns admin. As well as (iirc) Nixon, Ford, Bush 1, and Clinton…
Hugh, #86, the MSM don’t have time to research on how a bill is passed, and they don’t want to be bothered on public opinion polls that go against their king’s wishes.
Up until the November elections, the MSM kept running pro-GOP pieces. The quagmire of the Iraq war was good for Bush, remember? The leaking of a CIA operative was good for Bush, too…
I’m surprised I didn’t hear anyone say on election night “tonight is really bad for the Democrats. Winning this election is the worst thing that could have ever happened to them”…
Thanks for the post, Hugh. I think, though we on the left have been talking about the fact that the media have let us down, I don’t think we analyze it as far as it needs to go.
What good is the blogosphere alone when most of America is not a part of it?
I don’t know about you, but most of the people in my life are not umbilically attached to a computer like I am. The majority of Americans do not get their information from the Internet. Most folks manage America Online, and that’s the extent of their computer use. Even many people who use a computer all day long at work don’t come home and go onto the computer - they’ve spent enough time on it at work. And with our economy shipwrecked by the Pirate-in-Chief, most people work longer hours than ever before, many with more than one job (how ‘uniquely American’) and still deal with home, kids, or elderly parents on top of this - sometimes all three.
And when they come home, they turn on the Channel 7 news. Or read the newspaper. They don’t go to FDL or Raw Story or Buzzflash. And the mainstream news outlets are abnegating their responsibility to these people. Whether it’s from fear or from laziness, from the publishers on down, the major media have abandoned not only the obligation but the privilege of telling the independent truth to America. The Fourth Estate has the honor and civic duty of defending America’s freedom by telling the truth, by digging below the surface and between the lines of what it hears. If it takes everything disseminated by the Administration (any Administration, not just this one) at face value, and merely repeats what it’s told by the powers-that-be, then it ceases to be journalism and becomes propaganda. And that’s criminally negligent, as far as I’m concerned. You are actively injuring American freedom when you become a mouthpiece.
Sure, it’s easy to say to Americans, “Get informed! Go on the Internet! Look it up for yourself!” But the sad truth is, most people don’t have the time or energy to do that. Yes, the people have an obligation to pay attention to what’s going on in the country. But if real, unbiased information is too difficult to find, it’s not fair to expect all Americans to become computer sleuths in addition to everything else.
In order to stay informed, we are having to become investigative journalists ourselves. And today’s world is so complex and multi-faceted that it is a full-time job just to separate the sh** from the Shinola, so to speak. Journalism is a profession, or it used to be. One aspect of a profession is a matter of trust. If you go to a doctor or a lawyer, you are putting your trust in them, since we all can’t spend years in med school or law school. You are literally putting your life into their hands. And we put the life of our democracy in the hands of our press.
dakine01 @ 90
The only Democrat Gergen ever worked for was one who was the 1st DLC Democrat, that speaks volumes….
“In short, they don’t see the obvious around them because they don’t want to see it, they don’t want to know. They don’t want to rock the boats of the powerful because they are mortally afraid the powerful will rock theirs.”
Obviously “they” don’t see the boat is sinking fast too because more and more people are seeing the media with a different perspective.
When I look at any possible truth these days I look for who is telling it and if they have anything to gain from it.
The way they…just…miss it reminds me of the terrifying portraits by A.J. Liebling (The Road Back to Paris) of the French generals along the Maginot Line, fussing over their cuisine and mouthing stupidities while the Nazis were about to run right over them. Liebling, who loved France, was in a mighty rage with them. Liebling said “Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one,” which strikes me as a great way to explain what blogs (especially this one) are doing.
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 93
And Gergen was incredibly castigated by the Reich wingers as a traitor for working for Clinton
angie @
31
Good cartoon — but reading the comments posted underneath is a very, very scary experience. The level of vicious hatred out there, totally disconnected from reality, is truly frightening.
dakine01 @ 96
Clinton was the best Democratic president the GOP ever had, too.
Capital J @ 97
Good cartoon — but reading the comments posted underneath is a very, very scary experience. The level of vicious hatred out there, totally disconnected from reality, is truly frightening.
But the poll below it is interesting.
Capital J @ 97
Good cartoon — but reading the comments posted underneath is a very, very scary experience. The level of vicious hatred out there, totally disconnected from reality, is truly frightening.
But it’s us Angry Liberal Bloggers who are the threat to
civility in America. So say Dean Broder and Bobo Brooks.
Albert