
(No, not THAT Samson.)
SEN. FEINSTEIN QUESTIONS: Would like to go back to Sen. Specter's questions on notice on search warrant. You say that it was Lam's immigration record. Feinstein entering a letter into the record -- field agency from customs and field agency. Letter of commendation to Lam from them. "Your office has a 100% record with us." (CHS notes: ooops, pesky field guys.)
Feinstein then gets into Foggo, Wilkes, Cunningham, Lewis and others. And the subpoenas thereon. Sampson says he doesn't recall ever seeing a subpoena notice for the search warrant on Foggo and Wilkes. Feinstein asks with some skepticism if Sampson's "right now" replace Lam e-mail referred to "immigration policy questions." Sampson walks through immigration criticisms, largely from House GOP, about the lax border enforcement questions. Blaming Lam's firing on House GOP.
Feinstein gets into the FBI field office problem with Lam being asked to resign causing problems for ongoing cases. Sampson says that he didn't seeit that way.
Were you aware that Cummins was investigating Missouri GOP governor Blunt? Sampson "doesn't recall being aware of that."
Were you aware that NV USA Bogden opened an investigation of GOP governor of NV? Sampson says he does not recall being aware of that.
Were you aware that McKay declined to prosecute a case in Seattle? Sampson doesn't recall being aware of that.
Were you aware of a case being opened against Renzi? Aware through news accounta that there was some preliminary investigation.
Were you aware that Iglesias declined to prosecute case/investigation of state Democrats? Sampson not aware that calls had been made to him, and not aware of particular concerns.
SEN. SESSIONS QUESTIONS: USAs have to be strong people. Why didn't you tell the USAs in the fall of 2005 that you might be replacing them at the end of their 4 year terms? Sampson says he didn't calculate it that way. Gets into the AG meeting -- Sampson says the meeting wasn't that long, maybe twenty minutes. Doesn't remember specifically who was there. Deputy AG, Goodling, AG himself -- doesn't recall specifically how long the AG was there. It was in the AG's conference room. At close to the meeting, Sampson started to follow AG into his office, and McNulty called him back with a question.
Sessions says he's disappointed that AG didn't recall that in his statement, not a small matter.
With regard to prepping McNulty for his testimony: why didn't McNulty know about all of the WH meetings on this? Sampson says at the time that he was prepping McNulty, Sampson didn't remember all of them. Focused on issues of the day and the questions that Congress had. Focused on why USAs had made the list -- didn't focus on the historical origins and whether it originated at the WH. When McNulty was aksed those things and when he responded, in some cases incorrectly, do you have any information on whether McNulty was provided with different information and whether he was answering purposely incorrectly? Sampson says that they prepared inappropriately, and Sampson says that is why he resigned, he felt badly about how unprepared they were.
Sessions says the FBI local person should have been disciplined for saying that Lam was integral -- he'd like to see that FBI person provide proof of that. If there was some attempt to block a legitimate prosecution, they'll be in trouble with me.
SEN. CARDIN QUESTIONS: Were USAs put on list based on concerns from local political establishment? Rep. Issa and others were very critical, and the DoJ knew that. AG received 3 calls complainin about Mr. Iglesias, and McNulty received at least one call from him. Who would be responsible for weighing the local political issues? Sampson dodges answering this directly, says that we were aware of these. No one specifically involved in this.
Is there a document available that reflects these different views? Sampson says there wasn't one document -- information gathered from various sources, doesn't remember if it contained local political information. Sampson says that one of the things they did was to go back and look at USAs whose 4 year terms had expired -- relatively close cases. Compiled the lsit over the course of 2 years. Sampson says that he doesn't control the documents -- Sampson says that they were his own lists that he made, and then threw away as he made a new list -- but he doesn't work at the DoJ any longer, so he doesn't control the documents. (CHS says: how convenient that it "wasn't scientific and it wasn't documented" -- I'm sure the people who got fired are feeling really comforted about the process now.)
Do you see a perception problem here for the timing of the selection of the attorneys who were fired? Sampson says yes. You are saying that the way it was handled was the failure, and not the decisions themselves? Sampson says it was a lack of foresight that a political reason might have been perceived. If you would do this over again, would you do it differently with a different list? Sampson says he was acknowledging that he didn't take adequate account of the perception problem that would result.
SEN. WHITEHOUSE QUESTIONS: Could you tell me who, other than family and lawyers, that you discussed your testimony with? No one. Who coordinated with? no one, to his knowledge -- he hasn't spoken to anyone at the DoJ or anywhere else.
Did you keep a file on this project? Too much to say that I kept a file. In my lower right hand drawer, I kept a sort of "drop file." In reviewing my documents for testimony, there were multiple lists. Did anyone else keep your file for you? No, there was no documentation of this -- an aggregation of views, as the process finalized in the fall of 2006, it became more formal.
This was a project that you were in harge of, that woudl terminate the careers of these USAs, and you didn't keep a file? My view is these people are good people...Whitehouse says "but no longer USAs."
Is it policy of DoJ if officer of corporation who refuses to testify that there is a requirement of the Department that the officer must be dismissed? Sampson not certain. Going into the Goodling takng of the 5th with respect to her conduct inoffice at the DoJ. Has there ever been an attorney working for the DoJ who asserted the 5th regarding their conduct in office who was kept on as an employee? Sampson says he doesn't know. Whitehouse getting into "adverse inference" issues from failing to testify. (CHS notes: Whitehouse is schooling Goodling's atty that the committee is not going to put up with an improper attempt to avoid testimony without proper justification.)
Whitehouse going into Sampson's background -- were decisions made by someone who hadn't had a lot of trial experience, is his point? Signed off on by AG and WHCounsel's office. Sampson doesn't know by what basis the recommendationswere accepted.
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Hey there Christy!
dammit.
Sampson (over and over): “I don’t recall being aware of that.” Sheesh. Is that supposed to give double-plus protection against accusations of perjury or what?
Please recall that Senator Feinstein, almost alone among Senate Democrats, kept the USAttorney firings issue aloft in January, while only the blogosphere was digging into it. She deserves a lot of credit here, and her questions will be fascinating.
Gotta run — have another great FDL live-blogging day, all!
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Wait, Sampson says unaware the Domenici called, but it his office had three contacts as reported yesterday.
Geez, this guy needs to be hospitalized for terminal amnesia.
Capital J @ 5
Shouldn’t someone be keeping a “don’t recall” statements tally?
DF just knocked him proper. Glad to see she brought up the AZ connections of Kolbe (the AZ Mark Foley) and Renzi.
Why doesn’t he just say that Tim Russert told him things?
(thanks for liveblogging, Christy!)
Reminder to all: many of us gabbing in gabbly - join us!
Which will get more hits on Stewart or Colbert or YouTube… Sampson’s bazillion “I don’t recall, Senator”s? Or the pimps dancing with KKKRove at last night’s WHPC dinner?
Nobody can count that fast.
I’ll bring up again what I said at the end of the last thread. Sampson just said that he doesn’t know who Brent Wilkes is, except thru ‘news reports’. I’m calling HUGE bullshit on that one. There’s not a chance in hell that the CoS to the AG doesn’t know who a co-conspirator with a US Congressman (and a GOP one) in a bribery case is.
Shouldn’t someone be keeping a “don’t recall” statements tally?
Who can count that fast?
What I want to know is how many meetings did Cheney have with Fredo on this subject? Hmm?
Sampson: “I remember in my mind… I have that recollection in my mind…”
Sessions (!) preparing Abu for the trip under the bus
oops - never mind.
And I do so loathe Sessions
So He is trying very hard to avoid perjury with all these can’t recall statements?
creeper @ 15
Who can count that fast?
Yeah, I guess you need TiVo fer that.
How cute.
Sessions just realized he was getting valuable camera time, so removed glasses. *g*
Earlier sampson told difi he was not aware of senators calling usa’s…..but was that not part of HIS plan..is that perjury
Jekyl and Hyde with Sampson…Very well coached and libby-like at the same time.
I hope the I do not recall is balanced against the cool calcualtion of a true believer as revealed in the e-mails
He is Rove MINIME
Ask him about Fitzpatrick’s mediocre rating.
I suggest we change the phrase “having a senior moment” (i.e., being forgetful) to “having a Republican moment.”
This son of a bitch is pathetic!!!
Steambomb,
suspect Cheney operates a lot like Rove in that his fingerprints are never visible - he’s always one contact away - probably sent his boy A**ington
Shorter Sampson: “I, uh, uh, I, uh, uh… I dont remember.”
EPU’d
Also looking to your left where the creative side of your brain is (see Ted Haggerty for one, classic)
Hi Everybody! What have I missed? Any bombshells?
Issa and Domenici need to be processed by Senate Ethics…anybody heard whether that’s happening, or if they are waiting for the SJC to finish its inquiry?
Lurita yesterday, Sampson today.
Obviously the talking point of choice is “I don’t remember.”
Sadly, given their appearance of incompetence, that’s even somewhat believable — though you know darned well that it’s not even close to the truth.
How do the Repugs and Rovians put government out of business? By riddling it with incompetents and nincompoops — and rewarding them with medals of honor.
Just hope the American people can continue to see through the cloud of excrement. Polls indicate that they’re doing a pretty good job so far….
sampson: “as i sit here today…”
that comes straight from the libby testimony!
what a strange wording.
I lived in San Francisco when Mosconi and Milk were murdered. I have mucho respect for the way Senator Feinstein handled that horrible day. I admit to disappointment over the years with her lack of motivation but lately I see the old, spirited Diane back. Good and Thank you.
The Rules of Repugnism:
1. Always lie!
2. Always remember to “forget”!
3. Blame somebody else!
4. Enter Rehab.
Hmmm. My comments arent posting anymore. Did I make a mod mad?
Sampson: Huh. On Iglesias, we received complaints. Lots. I know Domenici complained.
Was that before or after Iglesias didn’t give in to Petey’s corrupt phone call?
And that selective amnesia returns to haunt Karl Jr. Funny how he’s utterly clear-headed whenever a GOPper is questioning him.
Busted!!! Where’s the rest of the list you said you maintained, Sampson?
What did the ratings look like on all the rest?
Why wasn’t it well documented?
Cardin (MD-D) is doing an excellent job; is he a former prosecutor?
pseudonymous in nc @ 36
Precisely. Only change “questioning him” to “feeding him leading questions.”
Somebody (Digby? TPM Josh?) called it the “pure heart, empty head” defense: I had no improper thoughts at any time, and I can’t remember a damned thing about anything, but really, my intentions are and always have been as pure as the driven snow.
(Obligatory Goon Show reference: “And if you’ve ever driven snow, you know how pure that is!”)
This man spends a lot of time in his own mind, doesn’t he?
The evaluation process of the 8 attys was casual. They just sat around, took notes and brainstormed.
Christy,
The CSpan 3 feed will feeeze on new windows functions and my system has to reboot often.
I have not taken the time to read all of the FDL threads regarding the firings, so the issue I wanted to discuss may already be in the conversation…
Senator Cardin has no patience with Sampson’s evasions. Good on him.
Sampson. Hello? anyone in there? Do you see problem with perception of fireing in the middle of a big investigation? Hello?
Pure Heart, empty head. Priceless.
For all the I-was-responsible stuff, it’s time for a Senator to mention that regrets aren’t a defence against a potential crime. That might send him out for a natural break.
Rayne @ 37
Cardin was a lawyer, but I don’t know details.
Sampson says he regrets how he handled this, didn’t have the foresight to see how this would be perceived.
Liar. It’s noted in his plan that he expected heavy pushback.
Who coordinated your testimony???
No one…yeah right.
OT
Senate passes Iraq withdrawal.
Moments ago, the Senate voted 51-47 to pass a “war spending bill that would require U.S. combat troops to leave Iraq by the end of March 2008, ignoring a veto threat from President Bush.”
Oooh. He didn’t talk to anyone! Believe that?
That is “metals” of honor in Goodling-speak
I’d like to suggest a new rule. A government official gets 10 “i do not remembers”. period. If testimony requires more than 10 “I don’t remembers”
you are too incompetent to serve in any government position again. No K street corps either.
sampson: “it depends on what your definition of ‘file’ is.”
Glad the Sens are getting to who was behind suggesting these particular attys be canned. Kyle can hide behind “I was just compiling the list, sir” defense, which is what I think is happening. I hope Sens ask more about people who wanted the change.
“No one. I haven’t spoken with anyone else.”
Again, the unasked question… “Who has your lawyer spoken with, to plan your testimony?”
drbonzo @ 40
THAT is dead-on.
RonD @ 52
no.
Iowa Democrat @ 54
Call it the Home Run Derby rule.
iirc Senator Whitehouse-RI was a US Attorney himself.
He didn’t keep a friggin file on this matter???
Un-fucking-believable.
No files on subject that ended the careers of 8 U.S. attorneys? Sen. Whitehouse is doing a great job.
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse is on fire!
This project went 2 years, you were in charge of it, it ended the careers of 8 US Attorneys, and you didn’t keep a file?
Sheldon Whitehouse up, asks if he kept records on this process.
Sampson says he only kept a drop file in his lower left hand drawer.
Wow, this is like Lurita’s cookies on the table memory yesterday…
What a dreck, these fine Republican U.S. Attorneys were accorded only a drop file in the bottom of Kyle’s drawer before they are fired — I mean, asked to resign.
Whitehouse drew some blood there….
Can I just point out one of the good points about this whole scandal?
You see, former USAs/Prosecutors make better panel questioners, as Whitehouse makes clear.
All the non-shill USAs prosecutors are going to be Dems for the next 10 years at least. Which means we’ll get more effective Senators and Reps asking questions…
Did you keep a file on this project? (S)Just sorta of a drop file. No specific file…, I just don’t want to be responsible for destroying the careers of 8 attorneys. What a douchebag
Right hand drawer?
Whitehouse was AG for Rhode Island…
also 4 years as a US attorney, egregious.
landofthefree @ 11
Folx as U can see, our loyal and marvy FDL server is slowing down during the Sampson hearings. Lotsa pups out there…
If you want faster discussion turnaround (and I warn ya, it’s like crack to touch this chat area! LOL) you might try opening a SEPARATE BROWSER WINDOW and then visiting http://gabbly.com/firedoglake.com .
Sign in so you’re not anonymous and chat away. Don’t refresh the Gabbly window. Refresh this window as per normal. You can shrink the sep Gabbly window to taste and adjust the size with the little icons at the top right. Play, learn, ask, we’ll help.
There’s a buncha firepups who started hanging about there during the hot and heavy Libby live-blogging when the site had smoke streaming from its poor ears and we couldn’t stand not being in touch. About 5 to 10 of us still hang out thereabouts during the USA daytime. Could be more pups today. We’ve had up to 90 during verdict day (I remember hooking up with Gabbly from a vaca hotel in Santiago Chile — awesome to be so connected from so far away.)
Tnx to Rayne for discovering and promulgating Gabbly. It’s super, and super-fun.
(Modulo crack warning above) LOL
Sampson is a lawyer?????
And he doesn’t know anything about the 5th amendment?
whitehouse is taking him apart one question at a time
It was a trapper keeper than I kept in the right hand drawer and put in my backpack at night before I got on the bus to go home.
Tap Duncan @ 73
Whitehouse, oh the irony ; )
Keep it up, Whitehouse! Great job!
Derailed the train of thought, you mean.
snowbird42 @ 51
Now if we can just get those slow-poke Dem Congressional leaders to frame this properly; to wit:
If Junya vetoes the bill, he is the one who will have cutoff funding for the troops!
So Junya, make your bet!
Oh how lovely– Whitehouse exposes Sampson’s inexperience and now goes after Goodling…
cozumel- right on, Also this punk has only tried a handful of cases in his career. Never been lead counsel, what a joke!!!
I keep my list of all bushes crime right next to the shedder opps what list.
Aaaaaah! Lost my CSPAN feed! Aaaaaaah!
Whitehouse’s approach is very interesting. Either the firings were decided by you unqualified staffers, or someone higher up decided.
Whitehouse is, uh, a little different from Lincoln Chafee, huh?
And he is ON to the inexperience of Pat Robertson Law School 1999 graduate Ms. Monica.
Good point. Should we be concerned about experience of people making decisions for USAttorneys, like er Goodling? Someone who graduated from Law School in 1999. Never tried a case etc. etc.
God I love Democrats.
I am so proud to be one right now.
Decision maker was AGAG. Same AGAG who didn’t know a thing about any of it, right?
Iowa Democrat @ 54
No sh*t. If you’re going to use the incompetence defense, shouldn’t there be consequences for not doing your job properly over and over again? All us average Joes and Janes would get sacked for being that incompetent. But in their case, it’s all okay because they meant well. Nobody ever cut me any slack just for being a nice person. And these people are our employees, for cryin’ out loud!
I realize Sampson resigned, but as we know, there’s a whole lotta this well-meaning incompetence defense being tossed about by Repubes. That’s their only defense for rampant corruption and it goes all the way up the food chain.
emptywheel (67) — yes, agreed entirely, the former prosecutors and a few of the trial lawyer/litigators have exceptional skills at questioning, a marked difference.
Whitehouse asking about experience level of persons making these decisions, with respect to experience as prosecutor or trial lawyer…but I think he also needs to ask why an established review policy wasn’t being used, whether actual personnel management experience wasn’t an issue.
Sampson - what a friggin’ Punk.
david baerwald @ 82
I just lost cspan and SJC feeds :(
Breaking for lunch
OMG! That was better than porn.
Whitehouse rocks.
Never heard so many disclaimers in one sentence in my life. He really is well coached, except for falling into the trap of dumping all his notes in his bagpipe at once. No music. No rhythm. But.. Dissonance was deafening there for awhile.. oops.
keeping a “running chart of attys”. heh. u bet!
“wasn’t scientific. wasn’t well done.”
Sen. [Cardin?]: “Do see a perception problem here?” Rinse. Repeat.
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Kyle: “And I regret that.”
Sen.: “Regret WHAT?!”
Kyle: “At the time, I did not keep accurate account of the perception problem that would result.”
Now quibbling w/ Sen Whitehouse over, [depends what the definition of “file” is. -um- “specific file” -um-]
“not well versed enough to answer your question”
ohgawsh, “self-incrimination”
“never looked at that and don’t know”
WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOARF!
Should I invest in astronaut diaper futures yet?
“Monica Goodling….”
“Sorry Senator. I just lost my train of thought.”
ouch. blood in the water.
whew! LUNCH!
“Cleanup in Aisle 1, please!”
They’re recessing for lunch. Reconvening at quarter to two if I heard correctly.
rxbusa @ 87
I like the use of the word “principals”, connoting more than one senior official making the ultimate decision.
carmen @ 63
Bullshit! Do you know the amount of paperwork you have to fill out to fire a Federal employee???
Hell, firing someone is har
It doesn’t matter if they were “appointed by the Pres” the documentation is same whether you’re SES or GS-1.
(And I’ve been told the cost involved in firing a Fed is close to half-a-million dollars.)
Sign me, a Disgusted Fed
To all with out web cast the hearing is to restart around two I think
David Baerwald, you didn’t miss much, but it was a smackdown of sorts. By the way, just bought boomtwon for the 4th time in 20 yrs. I love it!!! STILL!!
Break for lunch! Gotta run - take advantage of this to get all those undone chores done (in an hour, right).
Christy - thanks again for the fabulous work you do.
And with any luck, this afternoon, this Sampson will pull down the “temple” walls, too. heh.
You have a real gift for the right image.
at the time of her nomination - Leahy expressed concern that Alice Fisher had never prosecuted a case -
Interesting that Karl Jr. was sent down to Florida as a Special Attorney. It appears (see TPMMuck) that Monica Goodling was seconded in Virginia on some cases. Resume-padding?
Rayne @ 89
There again, you businessgirl! Next thing you’re going to tell me is that you’ve got a fetish for business supplies.
Google is our friend: the defense of having “a pure heart but an empty head” appears to be a moderately common legal term of art. Later, CHS will probably tell us what it means, and we’ll find out that it’s not quite how I interpreted it above. Or maybe it covers Sampson’s (and Doan’s) tap-dancing as well.
At any rate, several of the legal refs I found with the help of my friend Google offer this priceless observation:
A pure heart but an empty head is of no avail.
Oh, and the place I saw it in reference to the USA-firing scandal was over at Discourse.net
Brisingamen @ 97
Indeed, that is an absurd response.
Bret Wilkes and his co-conspirator (but not Cunningham to my knowledge) are Mormons like Sampson is. What does this mean in the weird little Washington D.C. environment? There’s not a chance in hell that Sampson (who is–or was–until a month ago) a Bishop in the Mormon Church did not know Wilkes, et al. Can you say, “Mormon Mafia”? ;)
I want me some more Whitehouse….he was great
his constant refrain: no one targeted for “improper” political reasons.
love to get a peek at their definition of “proper”.
Oh, yeah, Sampson has a file on his “project.” Get it, Chairman Leahy.
Wasn’t it quite coincidental that the moment the feed falters, was when Sampson “lost his train of thought” .
Spooky actions at a distance?
Prof @ 85
Whitehouse is so post 11/7…
Dana Peroxide now being asked about Sampson/Abu story conflicts.
Said Abu still has Preznit’s confidence.
Mandrake @ 88
It has nothing to do if you meant well. It’s OK *if* you’re a Republican.
my feed never dropped, so no conspiracy from here!!
Just Asking @ 105
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AHHHHH…now that line of questioning makes sense…Feinstein is indicating to him she knows what’s up….and that he is a FARGGIN LIAR!
I guess we can call this the ‘post-it note’ defense. Sorry I wrote down all this crucial information to fire USAs on post its and just chucked them all when the decision was made.
Great prep Kyle!
Just reminiscing…
Can you believe Kyle said he didn’t confer with anyone about his testimony?
Lying f’ing liars.
via ThinkProgress: link
JEP @ 110
anyone think to look for dimming of the lights, sparks from the outlets, or from Kyle’s ears?
Oh brother. Republican caller cited Clinton firing all attorneys at one time while this adm took the time to pick which were doing a good job or not, all so reasonable, ha.
and at this point I give mad props to Leahy and committee leadership for being so together at this hearing - just like in a major case, this atty handles this aspect, this atty handles that, etc.
looked a lot like Waxman’s Plame hearing - yummy!
Just Asking @ 106
I don’t think all bishops would know each other–it’s the equivalent of a minister or parish priest. Even when I lived in UT, my colleagues who were bishops didn’t even know who was in a church 10 towns over.
However, they could FIGURE OUT who was a bishop within 10 minutes flat.
Yeah, we’re supposed to believe these were paperless firings. They served at the pleasure of the Chimperer.
I wonder if the administration knows how much worse they look by saying, serve at the pleasure. Sounds even more like autocracy.
yeah land of the free, I read that earlier, cracked me up!