Administrator Doan doesn't recall anything about saying anything about politics. Just in case you were wondering.
Rep. Tom Davis makes the point that these meetings are arranged by the White House liason to the GSA. The White House Political Office prepared the slides, not Doan, and they presented them. (CHS says: Interesting, Rep. Davis, perhaps you'd like to subpoena Mr. Rove to talk about the planning of said meeting presentation, then?)
Davis is a bit cranky this morning and he and Waxman are having a bit of a colloquy about the timing of the "brown bag lunch" -- because CA employees would have been having lunch at 9 am. Davis then says that maybe "they can look into that and find some genocide to blame on that." Groans from inside the hearing chamber. Davis quickly moves onward to pricing negotiations.
David and Doan discussing the SunMicrosystems contracting. Davis trying to give Doan the space to discuss why she felt it was important to keep Sun in government contract -- she says major IT provider, and GSA is the premiere procurement agency in the government and that they use the internet a lot. Davis asks let's assume that we went the way of the IG and had knocked Sun off the schedule? Doan says Davis would have to ask Jim Williams for clarification on that. Davis is now walking Down through what would happen -- procurement option, time factors, etc.
Davis: What was your role here?
Doan: My instructions to Commissioner Williams...my job is to just provide some managerial oversight, I'm at a higher level. My job is to make sure we get the best value for the American taxpayer. Asked Williams to look into it and, gosh, our contracting folks sure are fabu.
Davis: Obviously IG has a different view on this. Did you say "cut a deal no matter what?"
Doan: I don't remember saying that. I'm more about options.
11:35 am ET
Davis, in the understatement of the century says: You don't have a good relationship with the IG, do you?
Doan says: Well, I think it has been overblown in the press, but I think that oversight needs to have oversight. (CHS: shorter answer -- true.)
Davis now talking about the $20,000 purchase order -- wants her to discuss the IG's intimation that Doan was giving a sweetheart deal to a friend. Doan says she thought a stuy of how they were doing was necessary.
Davis isn't interested in her diversity studies issues, and wants to talk solely about why this was a no-bid contract. Doan said that her job was to take action and move this forward. The minute her Chief of Staff told her that she couldn't proceed this way, she stopped it. Says the whole process took about 10 days.
Rep. Cummings up now. Concerned about her memory in being unable to answer questions. Seems like you remembered not much of anything that Mr. Braley asked you, but conveniently you remembered lots of details about Mr. Davis' questions. You received training n the Hatch Act when you took office, did you not? Doan: Yes.
Congressional Research Service was asked about Hatch Act, the WH presentation, and the alleged comments that Doan made after the presentation. CRS has made a report to be entered into the official record. CRS says that the presentation raises serious questions -- partisan political campaign connection given to partisan political employees and slanted toward a particular poltical point. Doesn't that describe the meeting to a tee? Doan is confused. Again.
It is hard for me to ask you questions when you don't seem to have a memory of this particular issue. Minority owned business information is my passion, I remember stuff about it -- but violating the law is boring, and I just don't pay attention to that. (CHS: I'm paraphrasing here. She must have said "this was not my meeting" about 20 times this morning already. Pass the buck, anyone?)
Office of Special Counsel is looking into this, Doan says.
Cummings asks her, knowing what she knows now, would she do something like this again? Doan: Absolutely.
Cummings, incredulous at this: Really?!? Doan: Backtracking now.
Cummings asked if she gave $200,000 to the GOP. Doan says: Yes, I am happy Bush is President. He is a great man to lead the country in troubled times.
11:45 am ET
Mica back up now, and trying the "oversight is just plain mean" line of questioning. "They targeted you..."
(CHS notes: After the lovely Westmoreland performance from the Plame hearing, it looks like Davis brought in someone more competent at political badgering. The unfortunate thing for the Republicans on the committee is that even with Mica trying to lead her through a series of questions, Doan won't take the hint and the help, and continues to demand the opportunity to ramble on about tangential matters that don't answer the questions.)
Rep. Watson (D-CA) up now. Discussing the troubling trend of politicization of agencies by the Bush Administration, including DoJ. She is concerned that what has happened at the GSA may have happened at other agencies. Did Mr. Jennings give this presentation at other federal agencies? Doan: No idea. Did he prepare this just for the GSA? Doan: No idea, ask Mr. Jennings.
Waxman says from what the GOP members of the Committee have been saying, that it is a routine practice, and we ought to look into that with all the agencies because it IS a violation of the Hatch Act.
Watson asks: Why did they choose your agency to do these presentations? I think your agency has been targeted and you have been used to spread WH political targeting in your department.
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I am not a liar. R Nixon.
Waxman!
Denies not inviting Democrats to events.
That one will get her a perjury charge–just on the Pelosi issue itself.
I don’t remember
Honestly, Davis, I only remember the cookies!
It was during the people’s lunch hours.
Only, Tom, it was on government property.
Waxman: In CA, it’s not lunchhour.
Davis is actually screwing the WH in hopes of saving Doan–”This was done by the WH, right?”
emptywheel @ 3
Don’t know the reference. Quick explanantion?
Davis;
I worked in the Nixon White House.
Hmm. No wonder you don’t mind the politicization of normal government work.
Davis’ sarcasm about genocide and fed employees’ lunch breaks.
Truly tasteless.
EW @ 4. Great catch.
eCAHNomics @ 6
Someone at the meeting (and it may have been Doan) asked how they could avoid inviting Pelosi to the opening of a new court house in SF.
So her denial APPEARS to be a denial of stuff that people have already testified to.
emptywheel @ 6
Well…he WAS in the Nixon Whitehouse.
ew@10. Thanks.
pelosi on cnn re: today’s chimp presser. i have it on mute though b/c cspan 3 is much better.
Attention Virginians, Tom Davis will be holding a series of Town Meetings this coming Saturday. So come and ask him about this, Iraq, Plame, and anything else.
Have fun!
goodgawd! doan’s that incompetent? or dense? or bizzy? that she’d parrot totally partisan pep-talk to govt employees in the workplace & have no consciousness of same either while she’s doing it or later?
no…. just following rover’s instructions… imho
GO WAXMAN! NAIL her BOSS! please.
Shorter Doan:
Wish I was back in private business where stealin’, lyin’ and cheatin’ is OK as long as you don’t get caught.
Who knew that government service meant tellin’ the truth, obeyin’ the laws, and…and…rememberin’ stuff?
EPU’d from below…
Davis just bragging about having worked inNixon WH and that DC is a “political town”. What a maroon as bugs would say…
Davis looks like he went on a bender last night. He is such a tool of the radical right/WH. It’s amazing.
Doan is another radical right appointee who apparently had no idea what was going on in her agency. At taxpayer expense.
Merry Waxmas!
Lurita “cookies” Doan
Good morning, all!
Christy - thanks for posting that MadTV link in the last thread. Terrific stuff!
I’m so glad you all have been blogging the Waxman hearing. Great stuff!
Sun Micro stock has languished since the .COM bubble burst.
Sun’s solaris operating system is not (or at least was not) compliant with Government computer security requirements. I’m not saying the GSA was buying Sun’s equipment for an inappropriate purpose.
I’m sorry, I can’t remember which scummy thing she’s been hauled in front of the committee for. Explain, someone? And how thrilled am I that we’re having so much oversight that I can no longer keep it all straight!
EPU’d
You know what’s funny?
This isn’t even one of the hearings that we’ve all been waiting for with bated breath, like the Samson hearing coming up.
And yet even this hearing is revealing all kinds of scandalous and damning information.
This administration is corrupt, through and through.
TRex’s “core sample” metaphor helps illustrate the point.
If we take a core sample of any aspect of the administration, we reveal multiple instances of corruption and criminality. This was true in the Libby trial, and it is true in every one of the hearings thus far.
In fact, describing “instances” of corruption and criminality is probably the wrong way to say it. In the Bush administration, one instead finds isolated “instances” of professionalism and law-abiding behavior.
It is growing increasingly clear that the norm, the backdrop, the default for this administration is criminality and corruption.
emptywheel @ 6
Obviously, Davis didn’t get up-armored as I suggested. His party is really gonna take a hit on this one, despite Grassley.
The House of Scandal Meets House of Saud…
Maybe upon retirement, or earlier, Our Benighted Emperor can move to Dubai and be the masthead for the new Haliburton Headquarters..
conniptionfit @ 22
Politicalization of GSA…
1,468 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
C-Span-3 is streaming the hearings…”NOW HEAR THIS, NOW HEAR THIS…ALL PATRIOTS MUST GO TO YOUR COMPUTERS OR CABLE ACCESS TO C-SPAN-3″…
This is this issue that’s gunna bring Rove to the Congress and to indictment…the systemic correuption and money laugering was institutionalized thru CSA.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE CARMEL FOR THE POPCORN!!!
I just do managerial oversight.
I don’t really know what anybody does, though.
“I’m more about options.”
She and Davis trashing the IG now…
In corporate law circles, Paul McNulty is best known for being the author of this memo doj PDF setting out the DOJ’s policy for rewarding corporate defendants for “cooperation” if they are willing to waive attorney client privilege in corporate prosecutions. (See Section VII)
The encroachment on attorney client privilege over recent years prompted the ABA to form a task force on attorney client privilege abanet link , and prompted the ABA president to send this letter to the SEC respecting the ABA’s concerns about the erosion of this cornerstone legal principle. abanet PDF
Last year, a NY District Circuit court held as unconstitutional DOJ attempts to prevent a corporate defendant from paying legal defense costs for its employees. 435 F. Supp. 2d 330 (SDNY 2006).
I will be curious to see whether Mr. McNulty becomes more favorably disposed towards those legal protections he has been so avid to see others give up.
maybe we could get her cookie recipe for satidie “Pull Up A Chair”
oh. mebbienot. she “only does managerial oversight”
Here’s the slide show–very big PDF file.
Can anyone think of a Bushco agency appointee that impressed them as half-bright and competent? Frankly, my expectations for their people were pretty low but as this cast of characters actually crawl out into the light, I am shocked at their quality.
OT call for action: about those secret RNC servers used for WH business….
Please check out this comment posted at dKos, which includes a link to a very important diary about what the secret servers might have. We should be putting a lot of pressure on the media to cover this.
“Oversight needs oversight” Doan - D’oh
DairyMaid @
12
And he admits it!
Doan: Oversight needs oversight.
GrandmaJ -
If you’re still with us, would you care to share any of your Condi stories from Stanford? We’d love to hear ‘em. Thanks.
dakine01 @ 30
every man (read criminal) for himself!
“No money changed hands…” trying to say much ado about nothing…
From the “McNulty Memo” on DOJ and corporate defendants (Section VII.2) DOJ PDF
Waiving Attorney-Client and Work Product Protections
……..
Waiver of attorney-client and work product protections is not a prerequisite to a finding that a company has cooperated in the government’s investigation. However, a company’s disclosure of privileged information may permit the government to expedite its investigation. In addition, the disclosure of privileged information may be critical in enabling the government to evaluate the accuracy and completeness of the company’s voluntary disclosure.
Prosecutors may only request waiver of attorney-client or work product protections when there is a legitimate need for the privileged information to fulfill their law enforcement obligations. A legitimate need for the information is not established by concluding it is merely desirable or convenient to obtain privileged information. The test requires a careful balancing of important policy considerations underlying the attorney-client privilege and work product doctrine and the law enforcement needs of the government’s investigation.
Whether there is a legitimate need depends upon:
(1) the likelihood and degree to which the privileged information will benefit the government’s investigation;
(2) whether the information sought can be obtained in a timely and complete fashion by using alternative means that do not require waiver;
(3) the completeness of the voluntary disclosure already provided; and
(4) the collateral consequences to a corporation of a waiver.
If a legitimate need exists, prosecutors should seek the least intrusive waiver necessary to conduct a complete and thorough investigation, and should follow a step-by-step approach to requesting information. Prosecutors should first request purely factual information, which may or may not be privileged, relating to the underlying misconduct (”Category I”). Examples of Category I information could include, without limitation, copies of key documents, witness statements, or purely factual interview memoranda regarding the underlying misconduct, organization charts created by company counsel, factual chronologies, factual summaries, or reports (or portions thereof) containing investigative facts documented by counsel.
…..
A corporation’s response to the government’s request for waiver of privilege for Category I information may be considered in determining whether a corporation has cooperated in the government’s investigation. (emphasis mine)
Do McNulty and Goodling think this is a standard that should apply to them?
emptywheel @ 32
I glanced at it quickly. Looks like an RNC strategy memo.
I don’t get it on cable. Somebody got linky?
*xyz @
24
Sam(p)son and DeLeahy.
Hanging everything on 8a (women/minority owned businesses).
Hatch Act - Anyone have a more definitive reading? ie; Is violation of, criminal? Is it criminal to tell someone else - conspiracy - to violate it, eg; House of Rove preparing and giving the power point presentation.
Also, at GSA they “give out all the goodies” - government cars, nice new furniture and computer systems, etc. So, was there any selective “giving out goodies” based on the office head playing ball with GOP’s or not?
OT, but if any FDLers live in San Diego, I’m going to be there for the next week and will buy the first and second rounds if anyone wants to get together and yak.
RealWorld @ 37
It was pretty funny. It was as if he couldn’t remember a thing he has done since Nixon.
*xyz @ 24
Right on. Very well put. I’ve been enjoying your relentless comments about this administration.
CSPAN Links to video and audio and audio only.
Cummings: One of the things I’m concerned about is your memory.
Bravo. Someone had to say it.
WAX da MAN just slapped someone down requesting official lunch time.
Cummins on the case now and questioning her “memory lapses”
CHS @ Top: “Davis is a bit cranky this morning and he and Waxman are having a bit of a colloquy about the timing of the “brown bag lunch” — because CA employees would have been having lunch at 9 am.”
Does anyone really believe that people are going to these meetings and skipping lunch? Or are they just going to lunch after the meeting?
We all know how this works, and we all know that they are not skipping lunch to attend these meetings. It’s just ridiculous.
And Doan is just not credible. She comes across as being just as over her head as Gonzalez.
I do so miss Gilbert and Sullivan. This Davis Doan verbal waltz is surely worthy of an operetta.
She remembered the cookies!
Neil @ 22
hmmm. there’s an Oracle connection in here somewheres.
Big Hank to a question about lunch : 1130 or 12?
“We are continuing with the hearing!”
(No lunch for you!)
If you attend a quality entertainment performance, the impresario will make sure that there is something to watch between headline acts. Kinda like–in the day–when there might be a juggling troupe who performed while the roadies set up for the next band.
Impresario extraordinaire Waxman is making sure that we have something to think about while the road crew sets up for the headliners.
*xyz @ 24
CUmmings:
One of the things I’m concerned about is your memory. You seem to remember July 2006, but you don’t remember an incident that happened two months ago. As a matter of fact, you don’t remember much of anything.
But Congressman Cummings, she remembers the cookies!!
CRS???
Can’t Remember Sh*t!
Ooh, I’m finally tuned in to CSPAN3. Elijah Cummings brings up that Ms. Doan may have violated the Hatch Act. Sweet.
Tonster @ 33
This is why I think they have a problem w Harriet Miers. I think she can’t keep the stories straight.
Exhibit A, that stoopid card she sent to W. (”You are the best Governor ever!”)
Exhibit B, to McKay, “Why are all the Republicans mad at you?”
Cummings is sharp. And relentless.
? says “What time will our lunch be?”
Waxman: (Stares at questioner in disbelief). than he says ” Well we’re going to CONTINUE with ou hearing..
TOTALLY ignores STOOPID question.
There seems to be a recurring pattern of “White House Liaisons” doing all of the grunt work, making presentations about the political aspects of how a department should be run. First, there was Monica Goodling, now some WH liaison to the GSA. How much you wanna bet it’s another 30 something who is trained to just follow orders?
Twinkie defense, meet cookie defense.
-GSD
Lurita Doan. Another incomptent lackey and toady with no scruples, morals, ethics or brains.
Doan is starting to sound rattled.
I’m waiting for her to pull out some small silver balls and, while rotating them in her hand, begin mumbling about “…the cookies…the cookies..”
team building lunches are only with republican appointees…and you “just mosied in…”
heh.
And Doan leads a very busy life, you wouldn’t believe.
bonkers @
45
If I had my way, I would tear this whole building down.
Tonster @ 33
It has been my experience, but admit I am biased against Fundy-Evangelicals, that one must be fairly stupid to follow the authoritarian principals espoused by Our Naked Emperor/Messiah and his Viceroy, Pat Robertson..
Which evangelical church does this dumb-ass go to? It seems to me you must have this in your resume, or you will only get a lower appointment. Is every political plumb job as a “head” of an agency given out by “ONE” (Our Naked Emperor) headed by a Fundy?
I would not be surprised at all.. Big Lie Theory of propaganda lead me to this expectation.
Still bringing up 8a as her “passion.” Article in paper, letter from committee, huge submission, first time they’d ever put anything together for Congress? Team buidling important but not her meeting… God SHE’S A TOTAL EF’FFING IDIOT!!!
corry342 @ 58
Waxman could literally blindfold himself and throw a dart randomly at any part of the Bush administration, and he would strike corruption/criminality paydirt.
Criminality is literally everywhere in the Bush administration.
It would be funny, if it weren’t of life-and-death significance.
The latest Doan talking point, apparently, is ‘Politics isn’t my thing’?
LOL Doan is passionate and will remember things she cares about. Wow. So, we should feel empathy for her and and be impressed by her lack of memory.
Cummings mentions Hatch Act again. I like him.
This is interesting–the top race highlighting the success of the 72 hour strategy is–wait for it–Tom Davis of VA.
Check out page 7 of the presentation…
So a more fundamental question. Is there any part of the executive branch that hasn’t violated the Hatch Act?
Cummins: Would you do it again?
Doan: Oh absolutely. Well maybe not the charts and everything…
Isn’t team building important to you?
Do you believe this is a violation of the Hatch Act?
Doan: I can’t make a judgement. I’m just a business woman in the gov. for the first time.
Doan? I’m too dumb a business woman to be here?
Cummons, knowing what you know now would you do it again?
She tries very hard not to actually answer anything. Lots of throwing hands up.
Cummons - did you give 200000 dollars to the GOP?
Yes, chimp is a great man in troubled times. I’m very proud to support him
Davis taking Mica’s time and being everybody does it…
Cummings: “Did you give $200,000 to the GOP?”
Doan: “Yes, and I’m proud of it. GWB is awesome! He’s the best President in very troubling times, and I’m proud of supporting him.” (paraphrased)
Doan just giggled.
(I think Laura slipped her some happy pills)
Whoops– she loves boosh and gave him big $$$
“We gave to y’all.” Give her a cowboy hat. Apparently, Ms Lorita thinks people wearing cowboy hats who are in favor of government created business opportunities for women and minorities get special accomodation when testifying.
Cummings asked her if she’d approve of such a lunch again. She didn’t answer directly but implied she would.
Cummings
Did you give $200,000 to the party.
Makes her a Ranger. Huh. GOes back to what I’ve said about Pioneering Corruption.
Still on the 8a talking point. “I’m all over it”
emptywheel @ 76
Where’s the link again?
Lame Duck Bush withdraws nomination of Lieberman’s best friend Sam Fox, swiftboat funder and ambassador nominee.
Fox in the shithouse.
George W. is a loser.
-GSD
I am telling you… I have a strong, strong suspicion it is all these Fundy-bots in this administration. These guys are evangelical zombies who never saw a “Father figure” they didn’t drool over.
Vacuous idiots whose minds gave over the power to question anything coming from a father-figure at an early, early age. ZOMBIES!
portia.vz @ 65
LandOfTheFree @ 82
H’mmmmm Meirs anyone?
eCAHNomics @ 79
Yeah, Mica basically said the same. Why are you guys picking on Doan when we’ve got these meetings all over town!
Holy shit! Micah just threatened the IG’s job.
Leaks out of the IG office, they TARGETED you, they TARGETED you.
Not same day but same time frame.
What they do to you they’ll do to others. It’s all a witchhunt.
Look at the time frame. All tehe violaitons were before your time.
Mica has his talking points down pat…
“…In case it’s on TV or something…I love all my vendors”
LOL
Totally missed the ref to “cookies” what’s that about?
White House liasons.
What did the Soviet Union call their political minders? Commisars?
-GSD
Here’s the link to the presentation. Big PDF file.
Look at Tom Davis’ race highlighted on page 7.
Mica: appointees beware! you are being hunted down and vilified unfairly. Poor you, and every other appointee is going to be grilled like you. It’s darn unfair.
GSD @ 90
yee-haw! good. good. good.
I think Mica and Doan need to get a room.
She just thanked her “vendors”. On teevee.
Oh.my.effin.god.
Yep, it’s a fishin’ expedition and they’re landing lunkers!
All a fishing expedition.
Was it a contract? It wasn’t a contract. What’s the big todo?
gosh that Mr. Davis is a nice helpful guy.
“No money changed hands. Right?”
well. alrighty. whut’s teh problum!?!
“This is both a personal & a professional embarrassment.” *sniffle*
followed by a pug wondering out loud to Waxman, “When’s lunch?”
nice try doofus…
“This is a passion for me!… A LOT going on!… A lot on my mind!… Not my meeting!… Came in late!…
I’m a businesswoman who’s in government for the first time… I do not want these committees to be focussed on things like this… […hummahummahumma…]”
Davis & Mica: QUICK! 2-MinuteDrill! ASAP! ooooopsie!?! yeeeouch!
heckofajobDoan! back of the line, please.
t.h.a.n.k.y.o.u.
NEXT?!
emptywheel @ 77
No way! Ooooh, I knew there was something underlying here!
Holy shit.
All of my vendors are great and I’m grateful for your business.
Sorry, Doan, it’s our business, they’re grateful for our business, not the other way around. Unless you want to tell us something???
Mica - you’re a scapegoat! (oh, except I don’t know my facts).
Even if you try to view Lorita Doan with a fair mind, she comes off as a woman very far over her head here. She is obviously a political appointee. She even calls herself “a proud political appointee” (her emphasis). Is she really so dense that she does not realize that you cannot run the GSA as a political operation?
Sun Microsystems is the best value?!?!?
You have GOT to be kidding. They are outrageously expensive and the overhead of maintaining the suckers is ridiculous. (Sorry about that, Sun. *LOVED* what you’ve done with Java)
A Sun could easily be replaced by inexpensive Linux servers for a fraction of the cost. HP makes some nice boxes. Dem-agog @
19
Politics is not her thing, so much not her thing that she gave $200,000 to the GOP. Um, yeah, okay.
Well I guess Ms. Doan was prepared for that contract question because she came ready with big cardboard visuals showing what real contracts look like.
Oh yeah, Watson up.
GSD @ 97
ZAMPOLITS
c’mon Ms. Watson– take her apart!
Rep. Diane Watson-D, CA-33:
“Reclaiming [tiny pause] MY time.”
Is Jennings scheduled to appear at this hearing?
Ms Watson (CA): Political office trends throughout the administration. She’s on Rove about DoJ, Civil Rights, GSA, all the above…
Who was that? I’m sure he had a good reason to ask but because it wasn’t answered and because Waxman didn’t ask him why he was asking, it’s hilarious.
Finally! Watson targeting Scott Jennings.
We now know that Rove’s deputy, Jennings, was involved in both scandals - the USA firings and - the other? I didn’t catch it
Rep Diane Watson (D-CA) gives this investigation the context of all the other politically related investigations and scandals.
I know of you political activities and political donaitons. You right as a citizen. But need to maintain rule of law and we can’t do that as a gov’t employee.