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Guess which story just sprouted a hundred new legs, all of them connected to media types within the Beltway that sat up and discovered it with one giant whiff of the Fifth Amendment yesterday:
The senior counselor to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales will refuse to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee in the unfolding U.S. attorneys scandal, invoking her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, her attorneys said today.Monica M. Goodling -- who is on an indefinite leave of absence from Gonzales's office -- also said that at least one senior Justice Department official blames her for failing to fully brief him prior to a Senate appearance, leading to "less than candid" testimony.
That game of pass the political buck just isn't fun any longer, is it Mr. McNulty? Especially when flinging all that poo in the air ultimately meant that you wound up with a lap full. Especially when your boss, the United States Attorney General is floating the "pure heart empty head" defense. (Which, as any prosecutor worth anything can tell you, is useless -- ignorance of the law is no excuse. H/T to Michael Froomkin for catching this bit of idiocy. One wonders how the GOP whisper set could possibly be floating rumors that Gonzales is incompetent, doesn't one?) And according to ABCNews this morning, it looks like Mr. McNulty may be the designated fall guy of the moment:
The official, Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty, ignored White House Counsel Harriet Miers and senior lawyers in the Justice Department when he told the committee last month of specific reasons why the administration fired seven U.S. attorneys — and appeared to acknowledge for the first time that politics was behind one dismissal. McNulty's testimony directly conflicted with the approach Miers advised, according to an unreleased internal White House e-mail described to ABC News. According to that e-mail, sources said, Miers said the administration should take the firm position that it would not comment on personnel issues.Until McNulty's testimony, administration officials had consistently refused to publicly say why specific attorneys were dismissed and insisted that the White House had complete authority to replace them. That was Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' approach when he testified before the committee in January.
But McNulty, who worked on Capitol Hill 12 years, believed he had little choice but to more fully discuss the circumstances of the attorneys' firings, according to a a senior Justice Department official familiar the circumstances. McNulty believed the senators would demand additional information, and he was confident he could draw on a long relationship with New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, a Democrat, in explaining in more detail, sources told ABC News.
In doing so, however, McNulty went well beyond the scope of what the White House cleared him to say when it approved his written testimony the week before the hearing, according to administration sources closely involved in the matter.
As a reader wrote to me this morning, "They're going after McNulty, tossing him to wolves. Selective leak of WH e-mail could be construed as waiver. If McNulty has any brains he'll demand release of all of them to show complete picture." Absolutely right. And I'd bet that McNulty has copies of quite a few of those stashed away for just such an occasion -- because you don't work in a nest of vipers without keeping a little "antivenom" on hand, just in case. (Or, if you don't plan ahead, you are an idiot.)
Huge kudos go out to Sen. Pat Leahy, who had this to say after learning that Goodling would take the 5th before his Senate Judiciary Committee:
It is disappointing that Ms. Goodling has decided to withhold her important testimony from the Committee as it pursues its investigation into this matter, but everybody has the constitutional right not to incriminate themselves with regard to criminal conduct.The American people are left to wonder what conduct is at the base of Ms. Goodling’s concern that she may incriminate herself in connection with criminal charges if she appears before the Committee under oath.
Sen. Leahy, you see, also used to be a prosecutor back in the day.
And Sen. Leahy is more than familiar with the 5th Amendment as a result, and knows that it cannot be invoked unless or until the person invoking it feels that they will be incriminating themselves with regard to specific criminal conduct, not just some vague possibility for the White House laying its own perjury trap for underlings to keep Rove and Gonzales safe -- unfortunately for Goodling, having snakes as colleagues and being worried that they will stab you in the back in a heartbeat to save themselves is NOT a valid reason to take the Fifth. The text of the Fifth Amendment in its entirety:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. (emphasis mine)
No fear of criminal implication against oneself, no 5th Amendment. Which means that Ms. Goodling can only invoke this if she fears that she has done something which is prosecutable under the law. No taking the 5th because you might embarrass yourself, your boss, or your political cronies -- there has to be a connection to some criminal matter in order for it to be properly invoked. And no invoking it as a means to avoid testimony that might be difficult because you might have to rat out folks higher up on the crony chain -- the law does not make exceptions for the powerful, nor does it make exceptions for the vindictive and nasty. Truth is truth. Period.
And no taking the 5th just because the mean old Senators and Congresspeople want to do their sworn Constitutional duty and provide oversight in the possibility that you and your peeps at the DoJ, and all the various and sundry minions in Rove's political shop decided that you could run the United States government as your own personal electioneering machine, regardless of the laws of this nation. Even Boss Tweed had to pay the piper for his corruption and graft in the end, and just because you work for the President's bestest buddy does not mean that you don't have to follow the law, too. (Hint: You work at the DoJ. Try hanging out in the law library and actually reading the books there. Start with a text on the Constitution -- you clearly need a refresher.)
What does this say to me? It says that Ms. Goodling's attorney, one John Dowd, will begin negotiations with the Senate Judiciary Committee regarding the potential for Ms. Goodling to put up under cover of immunity. (Note to Mr. Dowd: if your letter to the committee chair was as snotty as it is rumored to have been, it's a nice public act to put on for the GOP cronies of your client while you negotiate behind the scenes, but you might want to back that down a notch because Pat Leahy is not the sort to put up with a lot of posturing crap for very long. Just FYI.) It also says to me that Ms. Goodling either has a nice cash stash, that someone else is footing her legal bills, or that Mr. Dowd is an old family friend, because a man with this background does not come cheaply to the negotiation table:
Mr. Dowd has prosecuted and defended significant criminal matters at trial and in parallel proceedings before Congress and regulatory agencies for more than 30 years. His practice focuses on the trial of complex civil and criminal cases.Mr. Dowd is noted for his representation of a U.S. district judge, a former U.S. attorney and two U.S. senators. In addition, he represented a U.S. governor in a lengthy, high-profile criminal trial involving 23 counts charging false statements, wire fraud and attempted extortion.
Mr. Dowd has represented a U.S. senator before the Department of Justice and the Senate Ethics Committee; a U.S. Army colonel in the Iran Contra Hearings; a U.S. senator before the Senate Ethics Committee; and a U.S. governor in litigation with the Resolution Trust Corporation and in a fact-finding hearing before the House Subcommittee on General Oversight and Investigations, Committee on Banking, Finance and Urban Affairs, which inquired into the failure of the savings and loan industry. He has served as an arbitrator for the International Court of Arbitration of the International Chamber of Commerce in Paris.
You tell me -- do you hire an attorney with this level of legal experience for no reason, because you just randomly picked a name out of Martindale-Hubbell? I didn't think so. You hire this sort of attorney because you need all of what he knows and what he has done. Because a man with this level of expertise knows a lot about the law, and about how Washington works, and there is definitely some strategic dance in the works that will become more and more apparent as we watch it unfold. The lawyers in the audience can back me up on this: this sort of experience does not come cheaply, and it is often hired for very specific reasons -- and, in Ms. Goodling's case, I can think of an awful lot of potential reasons. How about you guys?
But wait, there is more. Readers at TPM have reviewed the letter and come to the same conclusion that I have (H/T to Phoenix Woman for the link on this). Josh is absolutely correct that the best defense against a perjury indictment is to simply be honest, and I agree with him that Goodling's problem has more to do with the fact that the White House hasn't yet decided where the line for honesty lies on this one. From Josh:
Now, one more point. Above I said 'almost' the whole argument. On page two of the letter, Goodling's lawyer asserts as the fourth reason for her refusal to testify that "it has come to our attention that a senior Department of Justice official has privately told Senator Schumer that he (the official) was not entirely candid in his report to the Committee, and that the official allegedly claimed that others, including our client, did not inform him of certain pertinent facts."His name isn't stated. But this appears to be a reference to Deputy Attorney General McNulty, the subject of this post from earlier this evening. Here we finally appear to have a bad act that Goodling believes or at least claims may expose her to criminal prosecution -- lying to Congress by proxy by intentionally misinforming an official about to testify before Congress.
Just watching this from the outside, it looks as though that is the bad act she's afraid to testify about or -- and somehow I find this more believeable -- she's afraid of indictment for perjury because she has to go up to Congress and testify under oath before the White House has decided what its story is. And yeah, I'd feel like I was in jeopardy then too.
And that seems to me to be the crux of the problem for Ms. Goodling: the cover story hasn't been settled on this one, and in a fluid situation where telling the truth can get you in trouble with the vindictive pit of vipers that work in "Rove's shop," she'd rather not have to be honest, thank you very much. Except that isn't what the law provides, and I'm certain that her lawyer is more than aware of that -- and that folks on the Judiciary Committees in both houses of Congress are more than aware of this as well. So, why the public feint? Again, I think it's a maneuver to buy some time for behind-the-scenes negotiations. But I'm going to do some more digging on this.
While we are at it: huge kudos to Rep. Henry Waxman who sent out a lovely note to the White House document folks reminding them of their legal responsibility to maintain and archive ALL e-mails, even those using an non-WH addy, and that Waxman would like to have a chat about just how many of those are being used. You know, while we're thinking about it. More from Justin Rood at ABC's The Blotter. And from emptywheel.
Ahhhh, I love the smell of oversight in the morning.
(Huge H/T to *xyz and to dzman49 for the heads up on some of this last evening. Much appreciated!)
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Surely you recall Christy that the Fifth Amendment has been expanded to include protecting Republicans not only against self-incrimination, but also to avoid being bothered?
And now for a bit of bad poetry: The Charge of the Wank Brigade
Yes, the smell of oversight in the morning.
Let’s all have a good one, starting with CHS.
Good morning Christy!
mornin’ Redd.
“No one could have anticipated consequences for the illegality of our actions.”
Wow. Just, wow.
Leahy and Waxman are doing a great job of showing the country what oversight is supposed to look like.
Olbermann said, last night, that there were 666 days left in the Bush administration. Heh.
“Ahhhh, I love the smell of oversight in the morning.” Christy.
Yes and its going to get even better. I think I’ll pull up a chair and watch this one unfold. Its going to get good.
TPM has a post up about whether or not Ms. Goodling is appropriately claiming the 5th amendment protection…maybe Senator Leahy should be having his staff look into the same question.
Morning all — here’s to another day filled with the drip, drip, drip of revelations. Nothing is more intriguing than sitting back and watching Bush Administration cronies turn on each other to save their own skins.
And it kinda shoots down the wingnuts argument that this is all just so much chaff. Nice.
Boy, I sure would like to be a fly on the wall in Karl Roves office for the following reasons.
1. Oversight
2. Oversight
3. Email dumps (3000 pages) that are data mined overnight.
4. Abu Gonzales
5. You have your math, I have mine
6. Throwing bodies at the bus
All I can see is the crazy old coot in the cartoons with the smoke pouring out of his ears (as well as American Flags) going cuckoo at the same time!
Were it not for the internet, these matters might never have come to light or moved so swiftly.
After so many years of near totalitarian rule, it feels almost like a dream to see these events unfolding.
The gratitude of ordinary citizens, trying to lead honest and decent lives cannot be put in words - for the bloggers such as tpm and your site and others, who have lifted the dung and kept it steaming in the air.
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
that’s a grand slam of a breakfast platter there Ms. Hardin-Smith, ooh a little bite here, some more of this one here, um, yummy :)
Tommy Yum - bwahaahaa - posted somewhere else
“no one could have anticipated the hordes of dirty stinkin’ hippies poring over the docs like wingers on a Scaife check”
And as the older lawyer in the bunch let me just chime in with one specific on our friend Mr. Dowd. One of those ’senators’ that he represented? Why none other than John ‘Straight Talk’ McCain, during the Keating 5 scandal back in the day. Bet Ol’ Straight Talk is gonna love John’s puss (and history) cropping up on our teevees right now
dratty at 14 — Yes, Mr. Dowd has quite the lengthy legal resume. Which truly says to me that Ms. Goodling has something she might want to say…but she wants some assurances prior to saying it. You getting that feeling, too?
Attaturk at 0 — Oh yes, I forgot about the smarmy GOP exception to all rules. Ahem. *g*
Waiver!!
The lawyers in the audience can back me up on this: this sort of experience does not come cheaply, and it is often hired for very specific reasons — and, in Ms. Goodling’s case, I can think of an awful lot of potential reasons.
So Dowd is a big-deal crim lawyer? Well, I’ve never heard of him before. Sometimes I think that attorneys may take a big case just to keep the name out there. A loss-leader, if you will, for big fees and speaking engagements down the road.
“Note to Mr. Dowd: if your letter to the comittee chair was as snotty as it is rumored to have been, it’s a nice public act to put on for the GOP cronies of your client while you negotiate behind the scenes, but you might want to back that down a notch because Pat Leahy is not the sort to put up with a lot of posturing crap for very long. Just FYI.”
I’m curious. What could Leahy do to Dowd if he continues using this “tone”?
In terms of creating ‘cover storys’ I find the following rather fascinating.
Gonzales in defending the ‘truthiness’ of his statement ‘I was not involved in the firings’ clarified by adding ‘what I actually meant was I was not involved in their decision whether to resign or not.
That’s his ‘cover story’ right?
Isn’t that transparently ludicrous?
‘Your honour what I meant to say about not being involved in the hold-up was that I was not involved in their decision whether to give me the wallet or not’
wtf?
I’d commented over at DailyKos:
Something about this scenario still does not make sense. If Harriet “Bush’s BGFF*” Miers was coaching staff to avoid commentary about personnel issues, why did this handout include those emails??
This entire story could have blown up even faster if anybody had actually read and then furnished a copy of those handouts to bloggers…in fact, I think we still need those handouts regardless of what we’ve seen so far in the document dumps because most of the Congressional material we’ve seen is in the form of letters and not emails. What else was in those emails? Who would they vindicate or accuse?
[*BGFF = Bestest Gal Friend Forevah!!]
jayt at 17
Sure you know John Dowd. He’s the guy who prepared the gambling report that got Pete Rose thrown out of baseball.
Very interesting. It also occurred to me that they may have wheeled in Dowd to run this particular interpretation of the 5th Amendment up the flag pole to see if anyone salutes because if it does, a lot of people are going to be using it thusly. All the more reason to say “nyet” in a big way.
Seems like the train is getting off of the “nothing improper in the dismissals” track, and we are beginning the “pass the popcorn” phase of what Jon Stewart would call yet another administration catastrof#*&k.
And good morning to all - I woke up WAY too early here in LA…
Read the NBC Interview transcript here where the circular firing squad has begun. McNulty is about to be thrown under the bus, and combine him with Gooding and we have the makings of an impeachable offense by the AG to be followed by a trial and possible jail time. Flip him and get Karl Rove in the same position, then flip Rove to get Cheney and Dubya. Ms. Pelosi becomes President by 2008 and we have the “Iraq Victory Parade” down wall street as the last troops come triumphantly home.
Hey, I can dream, can’t I…
The new Republican rule on testimony:
“I don’t wanna!” [stamp feet and pout]
Perhaps I’m being a bit simple here. If one has nothing to hide, and appreciates the truth, why ‘take the fifth’?
Morning Christy -
Yeah absolutely, it’s got immunity written all over it. I’m concerned though, with Leahy letting this bogus 5th claim go unchallenged, even if he knows it’s a negotiating ploy. I wouldn’t put it past the WH to tell ALL of the Justice Dept. employees to start using this excuse. While those of us in the business know that it wouldn’t last a second in court, its just the typical ludicrous talking point that the MSM airheads will use as a ‘debating point’. Frankly, if I’m the WH and I’m seeing how Leahy is handling this right now, I’m really pondering whether the strategy would be to keep everybody from testifying and fighting the spin war on this crap, as opposed to having my dirty laundry held out for all to see.
I might be overly concerned, but I’m heging my bets as to whether Sampson still testifies Thurs., his confirmation of same yesterday notwithstanding.
jayackroyd @ 21
Oh.
Well, that’s kind of prosecutorial, isn’t it?
As I said to friends and family recently:
1. The 2006 election was nothing short of a revolution.
2. The internet has the potential to take back Democracy from the lobbyists.
Jane Hamsher @ 22
Kinda makes one wonder if there is a “Save Monica!” defense fund website being set up even as I type this…
Nyet up the flag-pole
Liar-liars’ pants on fire
Nyet up the flag-pole
Dawn’s early light
Purple
Jane Hamsher @ 22
Well, it seems like such a non-starter, notwithstanding the soon-to-be well known Attaturk addendum to Amendment number 5, and the Mutant Poodle corollary, which is that the amendment as a whole is only applicable to Republicans in good standing.
Jane Hamsher @
22
I wonder if there’s that much coordination anymore. It seems more like a burning building.
And yet, Charlie Gibson is on Imus right now, saying that the US Atty story is just “inside the beltway” stuff and no one really cares.
Sigh. Excuse me while I find a cleared-off hard surface to bang my head on.
Christy,
This is really good stuff. That Leahy has a real New England flintiness about him, doesn’t he? The kind that New Hampshire articulates as “Don’t tread on me.”.
I warn before I bite, but I can bite.
These guys have been caught with their pants down because they never thought the blogosphere was capable of piecing together the narrative that connects the story.
Never underestimate the power of distributed computing. Isolated events arcross the US, emerging over weeks, can be unified into a single story. 3000 pages are analyzed in a overnight shift.
Not by reporters paid to get a few column inches out the door about something that the WH send over the fax. But hundreds of American geeks in their jammies caring desperately about their country and serving in the best way they can.
These guys can’t imagine the power of an informed citizenry. Too late, too bad, bye bye.
Wonderful post. I’m curious if this means anything: Dowd refers to “firing” in his letter as opposed to “resignations” used by AG.
i absolutely think you’re right, christy.
i think ms. goodling knows that being fully
honest about what she was asked to do may NOT
result in a criminal charge (at least against
her), but MAY lead to charges in the oval
office, or rove’s shop. . .
so she’s lawyered-up, with a big-gun,
white shoe akin gump partner. . .
more here. . .
Nola Sue @ 34
On CNN, the one reporter basically said that gonzogate is obviously a political move by the dems.
I view “taking the 5th” as more of a public relations problem than a legal problem — at least for Republicans in general.
You just don’t want DOJ/White House folks taking the 5th — it’s bad television for the GOP. Hard to put any lipstick on it at all.
What a post!
Did you write that whole thing this morning?
WOW.
Great job of pulling this all together, Christy. This is no longer drip, drip, drip. It’s splash, splash, dunk, splash. I thought Gonzo would be gonzo by last weekend, but I’m never right, and now I’m thinking the longer he stays, the worse they look.
jayackroyd @
21
And as a lifelong Cincinnati Reds fan, that’s reason enough to dislike the man. He is a partner at Akin Gump and I don’t think partners at any law firm at that level bill cheap.
Christy Hardin Smith @
15
This is what I think too. Everybody seems to be saying bad things about her, but I think that, by doing this, she’s telling everybody that there is a crime here, and at the same time saying, I can’t talk about it. She may feel this is her best option. It doesn’t just allow her to avoid the public hearings in Congress, but it would also put her a step away from being dissected by the Rove publicity machine.
It seems to me that this,
“the cover story hasn’t been settled on this one”
truly is the crux of the problem. There are far too many yarns to spin.
Waxman, Leahy et al have been in training for this for years. A good analogy is the training and practice for track and field events (i.e., when your event is the 400m, you train and train and train at 800m. Then when it’s race time, you sprint the 400m). The pace of the current events (read scandals)has accelerated like never before, thanks to the likes of Waxman, Leahy and other congressional oversight patriots, the internets, electronic technology, bloggers and, above all, the obnoxious arrogance of BushCo.
Harriet may have had the best plan. Who’d a thunk? I’m curious about what Monica earns and who’s paying the bill.
Christy Hardin Smith @
9
“The hard-nosed super-executives Nixon chose to run our country for us turned on each other like rats in a slumfire when the going got tough…” Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
‘morning, all… coffee is ready…
tastes good with a little oversight!
Alfred Kelgarries @
24
I’m not sure that Rove would ever flip. But who’s doing the BushCo wet work these days besides Rove?
Oklahoma kiddo @
26
One would think so anyway…But don’t forget, she got her law degree at Pat Robertson U.
dratty at 27 — There’s a very good reason that I wrote about this to start off the day today. Sometimes, some folks need a nudge.
Hi all!
Christy, while agree completely with your analysis — I really think it is a bad thing to go behind invocations of the fifth amendment. It is one of the striongest tools available to individuals who are facing a tyrranical power (executive or legislative). In Ms. Goodling’s case — I see a very real underlying crime which is the conspiracy to obstruct justice. That is, she briefed the AG amnd McNulty knowing that what they would testify to was a lie. This particular possibility is burried deep in her letter regarding her invocation — a strategy any good defense attorney would employ.
Of course, the response by Congress ought to be a simple grant of immunity. Actually, this may be what her defense counsel is actually angling for in his letter. Once immunity is granted, she has to testify or face contempt of Congress proceedings.
However, I would not grant any immunity until after Sampson testifies. Congress should let this soup boil a bit more before cutting testimony deals. With more informartion — her grant of immunity will ultimately be much more valuable.
FWIW
Oh, and Christy:
Turns out the GSA breaking-the-Hatch-Act scandal is tied to the US Attorneys’ purge scandal.
I love the smell of oversight in the morning! It smells of — accountability!
dakine01 @ 49
Logic reigns supreme: SHE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE.
Nola Sue @ 34
Gibson doing his kindly grandfather-slightly-dotty routine this morning on that issue. Likewise on the v-armored vehicles…not knowing how effective they are. Maybe you should listen to your own news broadcast, Grandpa Charlie!
Don’t fret about the inside-the-beltway meme. That’s just shallow-thinking media stenoing the Rovian spin.
Also this morning on Imus, Rob Bartlett parodies “Fredo Gonzales” in a funny bit drawn from “The Godfather.”
Greenfield on this morning also, missed part, so I’m going to wfan.com Instant Replay later this morning to hear the full conversation. A grownup. No shallow puddle thinker he.
The Bartlett bit will be worth a listen, too!
Media types can muse this is just inside the beltway, but t’ain’t so.
Will Sampson’s testimony pull down the pillars?
sorry about all the typos, I am lefty hunting and pecking these days with a right elbow injury. Just pretend I am LHP. :~)
Good morning all,
I’ll catch up with ya’ll when I get to work, where I will get *nothing* done.
Again.
;-)
Alison @ 35
You know, it’s like they never heard of “open source” or “collaborative computing” before. These people are too inept and backwards to have been given the keys to our country; if they can’t keep up with average American citizens (a.k.a. “dirty f*cking hippies”), how are they going to outwit enemies of state with real whizbang know-how?
And 3000 pages combed overnight by tens of thousands of readers…I’ll bet they thought that only tens of thousands of folks were following the case, let alone tens of thousands actually “dumpster diving” through documents, hundreds of thousands reading and blogging the analysis the next morning, and MILLIONS reading those blogs before the end of the day’s news cycle.
Didn’t they learn anything from their own TANG document project?
Immanentize!!!!
Great to see you! Calendars at the ready for mid-April.
Redd,
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, which the establishment media is (predictably) overlooking:
I heard this from the reluctant witness’ attorney on Nice Polite Republicans (NPR) this a.m. and was absolutely pissed that it was reported completely out of context
In other words, she won’t testify because if she lies, she may be prosecuted. Hello!, THIS IS MERELY A STATEMENT OF THE LAW, IT IS NOT A FACTUAL BASIS SUPPORTING A 5th Am. CLAIM.
The letter cites cases where people have been prosecuted for the crime of perjury and obstruction, AFTER they testified under oath and lied. Since she has yet to testify, she has yet to commit the crimes for which she is seeking 5TH Am. protection. Rather, she is essentially preserving her Republican Entitled Right (RER) to obstruction by silence. In other words, she is doing contemptuously - withholding testimony - that which she is prohibited from doing under oath. She wants to affirmatively commit a crime rather than protect herself from a crime previously committed.
slainte,
cl
did we remember to buy our popcorn stock?
McNulty seems to be in quite a bit of legal jeopardy here. He’s claiming that everybody else didn’t tell him what was going on. Miers seems to have told him not to say anything at all. At this point, he really has to either go back to Congress and explain himself under oath, or he has to resign and take the fifth. I don’t see any other viable options for him, especially since Goodling seems to have dibs on an immunity deal.
He is a partner at Akin Gump and I don’t think partners at any law firm at that level bill cheap
Agreed. I assume that it’s easily accepted that a govt employee cannot afford those fees. Who could possibly be footing the bill (if there is one)? This is a disaster for the R’s - in no way in the interests of the ususal wingnut welfare suspects.
That’s why I floated the idea that Dowd is taking this one to re-establish name-recognition.
Jane Hamsher @
22
Exxxactly.
One should never, ever make the mistake of being “nice” to these clowns. They see civilized norms of behavior as weaknesses to exploit.
Alison @ 35
Not to misunderestimate the power of an informed citizenry, or Josh Marshall for that matter, but the primary reason this is all blowing up is the sheer arrogance of the perps.
Not only are we going to fire Republican prosecutors for bad reasons, we’re also going to malign their reputations. Because we can do anything and get away with it.
Hey egregious — got your email and I am just a million years behind at work. I will write soon.
xxox
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 55
Depends on how closely Delilah shaved his locks.
twolf1 @ 38
First of all, Gibson deosn’t know what he’s talking about, as the recent USA Today poll
( http://www.usatoday.com/news/p.....6-poll.htm ) shows.
Second, Roberts crap about the scandal being political is borne out by the poll, but the way I’m reading the poll is this. Yeah the majority of the country thinks the Dems are doing it for political advantage and you know what? THEY DON’T CARE!!!!! So long as the information comes out and the bad guys are caught, America doesn’t care what the motives are. Says to me that America is just sick and tired of the GOP bullshit that’s been going on for the past 6 years.
immanentize @ 51
I agree with the last part. No immunity deals this early in the game. There are still quite a few rocks to uncover.
jayt @ 63
Not really. All he has to do to get his name out as blast Pete Rose every now and then. Since Pete IS an idiot (though I loved him as a player…), it gives Dowd publicity every time, albeit in the sports pages rather than the front pages.
imm at 51 — I was having the same exact thoughts on the slow simmer this morning, myself. *g* And yes, you are absolutely correct that a true 5th Amendment claim is not only useful, but a necessity in our criminal system. Have had clients invoke it for any number of reasons when I was doing defense work — for legitimate purpose. But that’s the crux of the issue with Goodling in my mind — the letter from Dowd is far too slippery around the edges for me to get a good handle on whether there is a legitimate purpose in the background on this, or whether it’s posturing for public consumption.
Either way, though, it definitely reads to me like an opening negotiation gambit. (And good to see you, imm. I’m guessing you can finally see over the top of your huge project. Good on ya!)
Imm at 56 Just pretend I am LHP. :~)
You are so busted.
Hey congratulations and keep us posted! xoxoxo back atcha.
CocoaBeach @ 36
Now THAT is an EXCELLENT catch!! She’s signaled to the DOJ and White House that they are on the hook and that they’d better get her back or else!!
oooh. i’m so looking forward to hearing what sampson has to say to leahy on thursday.
and leahy is moving fast on other topics, as well. today (9:30 am on c-span3) leahy has mueller testifying on what the fbi has been up to (NSL abuse?).
i hope all this oversight will reign in the iran war-mongering… which does seem to be heating up.
Christy on fire.
Thank you so much.
FWIW, more on Dowd The Dowd Report on Pete Rose for MLB. I think it’s the same guy.
Christy, only if you have time or the interest, I am interested in what warranties Goodling implied by cashing her government paycheck every two weeks. If the GOP and Grover Norquist types were going after a Dem, I think that is the soundbyte you would hear from every GOP talking head and I think it’s a good one. You, Ms. Goodling, cashed your
goddamnedgovernment paycheck every two weeks. At what point, exactly, did you, as an officer of the Court, and a DOJ employeeat one of their highest paygradesthink that you had the right to cash a paycheck from the taxpayers, despite the fact that you knew about evidence of ongoing criminal activity at the WH? Per Jane above, I think it’s important for Dems to not only meet this abuse of the 5th Amendment, but actually gain advantage from it. I would have to think that as a condition of employment, all DoJ employees sign documents that commit them to a very high standard of ethics.joe sixpack can smell a rat when his neighbour’s kids are sent and resent to an endless war and there seems to be ’stuff’ all the time now about ’scandal’…..
“We have always been at war with Iraqonia”
Has anyone here seen this?
From today’s Chicago Tribune:
Rayne @ 58
Alison @ 35
…3000 pages are analyzed in a overnight shift.
Not by reporters paid to get a few column inches out the door about something that the WH send over the fax. But hundreds of American geeks in their jammies caring desperately about their country and serving in the best way they can.
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You know, it’s like they never heard of “open source” or “collaborative computing” before. These people are too inept and backwards to have been given the keys to our country; if they can’t keep up with average American citizens (a.k.a. “dirty f*cking hippies”), how are they going to outwit enemies of state with real whizbang know-how?
And 3000 pages combed overnight by tens of thousands of readers…I’ll bet they thought that only tens of thousands of folks were following the case, let alone tens of thousands actually “dumpster diving” through documents, hundreds of thousands reading and blogging the analysis the next morning, and MILLIONS reading those blogs before the end of the day’s news cycle.
Didn’t they learn anything from their own TANG document project?
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Hell, no.
And for the reasons another reader has already mentioned:
That’s how Nixon’s people thought. That’s what got them caught. And remember, Cheney and Co. are Nixon holdovers.
jayt at 63 - Trust me when I say that Dowd does not have to do one thing to re-establish name recognition within the Beltway. He’s at the Wells/Bennett level of representation of political criminals — he just isn’t a camera hog, so folks outside the Beltway won’t know of him as much. I have it on good authority that his name is very recognizeable, however, for folks on and off the Hill around town.
Rayne
Didn’t they learn anything from their own TANG document project?
I’ve been riding this hobby horse for the last few days. The fact that they didn’t learn anything is compelling evidence to me that the whole affair was a Rovian Ratfuck. It cannot be a coincidence that this story came out just in time to spike a 60 Minutes story on yellow cake that Josh Marshall was working on.
Attaturk @ 1
That’s a great bit of poetry parody there (and I speak as a connoisseur of the genre, vide my (and Wolverine’s) http://tinyurl.com/yvu7pa — pls let it load, it’s way down the FDL page… tnx LOL) … that there “Charge of the Wank Brigade” comes highly recommended by me!
I just love what’s happening to W these days… I can just hear him saying “no-one could have anticipated the breach of my political levees…” Yep, no-one — except someone with a nice tract of land already waiting for him in Paraguay…
:)
dratty
First of all, Gibson deosn’t know what he’s talking about, as the recent USA Today poll
(http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2007-03-26-poll.htm) shows.
What he’s saying may not reflect what the poll says. But you can be sure he knows what it says.
Think about that.
What name should we call his scandal ? Prosecutor-gate? Fredo-gate? But Keith Olbermann displayed a great name for this scandal. GONZO-GATE. Last night, Chief torturer Gonzales said the following during yesterday’s MSNBC interview:
“Also about public corruption. Our public corruption record has been tremendous. So we’ve done some great things. I believe that that can still continue.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17801927/page/3/
“Doing the people’s business” Our Benighted Emperor’s favorite obfuscation phrase, should be shortened to:
“Doing the People..” Who, according to the USA Today poll posted by Greenwald on Salon, give the Emperor about as much credibility on this as OJ Simpson in an anger management class:
This in the NYTimes Article caught my attention:
(emphasis mine)
Since when does one have to get advance approval to assert a consitutional right?
Phoenix Woman @ 46
GONZO JOURNALISM!!!
Terry Olson @ 45
My thought exactly. Who is paying for this (literally, not metaphorically).
Alison @ 35
Oh God I hope youre right.
A Serenade for Mr.Waxman:
there’s a hole in the bucket dear henry dear henry
a hole in the bucket dear henry a hole
Plug it with subpoenas dear henry dear henry
Plug it with subpoenas dear henry a hole