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The saddest moment of the Scooter Libby trial, for me, was when I witnessed an exchange between Max Frankel, the last Executive Editor of the NYT to treat the gray lady with the respect she once deserved, and Robert Bennett, Judy Miller's personal lawyer. Frankel had been around, on and off, for a several days, working on a story for the NYT Magazine on the role of journalists in the case. Bennett had just finished shepherding Judy through a grueling day of Jeffress' attacks. And, at one point that day, Bennett actually stood before the court to defend Fitzgerald's attempts to limit Jeffress' questions.
Let me remind you why Bennett was even there. Judy had originally been represented by the NYT's chosen lawyer, Floyd Abrams. Abrams has had a laudable career defending the First Amendment. And in this case (at one point representing both Matt Cooper and Judy Miller), Abrams argued for an absolute reporter's privilege that does not really exist in legal precedent. He--and the NYT--chose this case, the defense of Judy Miller, to stage a battle over the sanctity of the reporter's privilege that exists (at the Federal level at least) primarily in custom, not in law. But at some point, Judy realized the First Amendment martyr role no longer served her purposes, so she hired the more pragmatic Robert Bennett to represent her interests, now distinct from those of the NYT.
Anyway, on this particular day, there in the hallway of Prettyman Courthouse, Frankel, the former Executive Editor of a then-great newspaper said this to Bennett, the lawyer who had been hired by the former reporter for the no-longer-great newspaper because the interests of the paper and the former reporter had diverged.
You did a great job for us today.
How could Max Frankel, I wondered, yoke the interests of the NYT and Judy Miller so closely? Why would he so unquestionably consider Judy Miller--a reporter the NYT had finally jettisoned when her complicit role in this story became clear--to still be a member of that club? The comment made me so sad, that a once-great figure like Frankel would tie his interests so closely to Judy's.
And so it was with great interest and a good deal of trepidation that I read Frankel's story today--the end product of his time at Prettyman Courthouse.
It's a story drawing on Frankel's entire career, salted with anecdotes of powerful men leaking important information to Frankel--JFK, LBJ, Dean Rusk--and drawing on a key brief Frankel wrote about the Pentagon Papers. With the quality of his prose and the mostly nuanced understanding of the complexities of the case, Frankel demonstrates how he earned his reputation, with real reporting. As with this passage, where Frankel sums up the Armitage-Woodward leak perfectly.
That’s how it’s done, in barroom style: an official playing bureaucratic tennis, protecting his boss, Secretary of State Colin Powell; a reporter preying on the knowingness of his source.
Sure, he gets two details slightly wrong (slightly mis-representing the INR memo and not reporting the dispute between Woodward and Pincus over whether the former told the latter of Plame's CIA employ). And, as I'll show, he grossly misrepresents Judy's testimony. But compared to what the NYT offers up as journalism these days, the story offered a remarkably good narrative of the trial.
Yet the argument Frankel offers, like all other arguments the NYT has offered in this case, is fundamentally dishonest. Frankel has, indeed, finally yoked the fate and interests of the NYT to the complicit involvement of Judy Miller.
Let me start by agreeing with Frankel. The damage to journalism--by this whole sordid affair--has been great.
The damage to newsgathering, I believe, has been significant. Celebrity journalists like Bob Woodward and Tim Russert may not lose access to sources, but more vulnerable reporters and less-wealthy media outlets will surrender to the subpoenas and jail threats now descending on them in unprecedented numbers. Some will betray confidences; some will suppress articles whose defense would be costly. Others may avoid risky reporting altogether. Sensing danger, many investigative reporters have become highly circumspect, using what one judge sympathetically called the methods of drug dealers to protect themselves: resorting to disposable cellphones, meeting sources outdoors and avoiding e-mail and other computer communication.
But I would be very particular about the source of that damage. It was not just--perhaps not even primarily--Fitzgerald's subpoena of journalists that did that damage. The damage was done when Robert Novak and Judy Miller and the NYT made themselves willing vehicles of Administration propaganda. The damage was done when the NYT--after publishing the name of Judy's source--tried to make a SCOTUS case arguing no one should reveal that source. The damage was not done by the WaPo, which deemed this case a real instance of criminal investigation and proceeded in the way that would do the least damage to custom of reporter's privilege. It was done by the NYT launching a dishonest appeal that--they knew--served to assist someone in the obstruction of justice.
So I guess I'll start there, with a funny detail about Frankel's article. As I said, Frankel seems to have an unusually good understanding about some nuances of this case. He realizes that Libby was the probable source of Ari's depiction of the word "boondoggle." He blames Cheney as Rove's source of Plame's CIA employ. Frankel knows that OVP was at the heart of this leak, and he defends that case using evidence introduced at trial. He even argues that Libby and Cheney,
surely also recognized the legal risk in exposing Valerie Plame’s covert status — that the Intelligence Identities Protection Act prohibits anyone with authorized access to knowledge of a covert agent to intentionally disclose the agent’s identity to persons not so authorized.
In short, though he explains that the "offense was never established," Frankel makes a case that Libby and Cheney would in fact be guilty of the IIPA, complete with foreknowledge, if they leaked Plame's identity to a journalist.
But when Frankel characterizes the crimes Libby committed, he almost never discusses obstruction of justice. Sure, he admits once that Libby "lied and obstructed to protect the misuse of secrets." But he repeatedly names perjury as the crime at issue, arguing "perjury substitut[ed] for an unreachable, perhaps even nonexistent crime," describing reporters protecting Libby's perjury, and suggesting that Fitzgerald pursued journalists' testimony so he "would at least have a perjury case." And here's how he describes the lies in question:
In fact, Libby told the F.B.I. and the grand jury that he learned about Wilson’s wife — as if for the first time — from Tim Russert on July 10 or 11. He insisted that he had totally forgotten discussing her during the preceding month with Cheney and with officials from State and the C.I.A. Libby’s recollection of how he was “taken aback” by Russert’s revelation stood at the heart of his indictment, and his meandering re-enactment of his talk with Russert would clinch the case for the jury.
The other, subsidiary counts charged that Libby lied by denying knowledge of Wilson’s wife before the Russert conversation.
This is how Frankel portrays this trial as one about lying--by mistakenly focusing on the veracity of Libby's Russert story rather than Libby's knowledge of Plame. Yet in spite of Frankel's claims, Libby's knowledge of Wilson's wife is in no way subsidiary. It is the crux of the issue, the basis of the obstruction. By lying about whether he knew of Plame's identity on July 8, Libby hid the conversations in which he leaked Plame's identity to Judy Miller. Yet Frankel portrays this crime to be about nothing more than perjury, not a deliberate and successful attempt to prevent Fitzgerald from proving the underlying crime.
Which is why it's so funny--or pathetic, really--how Frankel refers to Judy's involvement. First, let's look at how he describes the Iraq War.
That misfired adventure, and the buyer’s remorse of a press and public that accepted the war’s pretext, lay at the root of Libby’s perjury. For it was Cheney, with Libby’s active help, who had sounded the loudest alarms about Hussein’s “reconstituted” nuclear program, about his stores of chemical and biological weapons and supposed ties to Al Qaeda. When, mere weeks into the war in 2003, no such weapons could be found, it was Cheney and Libby whose reputations and influence were imperiled as much as the president’s.
Remarkable, huh? 3000 American men and women dead, and it's just a little "misfired adventure"? And see what he does with the subjects of this paragraph? There the "press and public" are, with their buyer's remorse, positioned together on one side, with Libby and Cheney, the guilty parties, on the other side. Frankel conveniently lumps the press in with the public, unwilling dupes, but in no way actors that worked with and for Libby and Cheney to sell this war to the American public. What a fundamental misrepresentation of the press' role in this war! Of how the majority of the population opposed the war, wanted nothing to do with it, until people like Judy Miller and Michael Gordon and Patrick Tyler came along and persuaded the public that this was something they ought to buy. Frankel does, at one point, admit that Judy's pre-war reporting lent "credence to the administration’s wild alarms about Iraqi W.M.D.’s" (he makes no mention of her war reporting). But he separates that from any question of complicity on the part of the press--or the NYT in particular. In fact, in a later discussion, Frankel claims that these poor journalists (and editors) were helpless until someone else came along and offered them a leak to counter those of the Administration.
On the path to war in Iraq, high officials of the Bush administration leaked classified but far from reliable information about W.M.D.’s, then pointed to its publication as “evidence” of its truth. When no W.M.D.’s were found, they used the same flawed secrets to justify their misrepresentations. But reporters could not expose this skullduggery until they obtained contradictory leaks from disheartened intelligence officials.
As if anyone couldn't figure out, from simply reading closely, the stuff that the NYT was reporting was--and remains--plain old propaganda. As if the editors of the NYT don't bear any blame for printing such crap on the front page of the NYT.
Having thus absolved the NYT from exercising the most basic critical reading skills, here's how Frankel portrays Judy's involvement in the case and her testimony at the trial:
On Tuesday, July 8, in what his normally detailed calendar listed only as a “private meeting,” Libby spent two hours at breakfast with Judith Miller to enlist her help in countering Wilson’s attack. He told the grand jury that he admired her reporting, on Al Qaeda and chemical and biological weapons, and presumably also her prewar articles lending credence to the administration’s wild alarms about Iraqi W.M.D.’s — credulous articles that The Times eventually disowned.
Miller testified that Libby brought her selected excerpts from a top-secret National Intelligence Estimate (N.I.E.) to buttress his claim that long after Wilson’s mission, the C.I.A. still endorsed reports that Saddam Hussein had “vigorously” pursued uranium in Africa. This brought back memories of my own similar encounters — of President Kennedy allowing me to copy a secret transcript to prove how the Russians lied to him about missiles in Cuba; of Secretary of State Dean Rusk confiding that the Southeast Asia Treaty, later invoked in support of war in Vietnam, was “not worth the paper it’s written on”; of Henry Kissinger casually bemoaning the anti-Semitism he experienced “in the highest places.” The established Washington routine meant that such revelations could be reported, provided that they were attributed only to “senior administration officials.” But on the subject of Joe Wilson and his wife, Miller’s notes showed, Libby took the added precaution of asking to be identified as “a former Hill staffer.” Though technically true, this was a devious dodge even by Washington’s tortuous rules of engagement, and it should have led Miller to realize that the remedy for bad leaks is more leaks.
Miller said that she had gone to breakfast eager to learn why the intelligence reports she had swallowed had been so wrong but that she found Libby too much concerned with the 16 Words, with “who said what to whom, what I call inside baseball in Washington.” The editor in me cringed at this justification for her not writing anything out of this interview. She could have been the first to recognize that the White House’s denigration of the Wilsons betrayed a bitter feud during which Cheney was angrily pressuring Tenet to take sole responsibility for the bungled intelligence. By following the trail of Libby’s leak back to C.I.A. informants, she could have produced a pretty good yarn.
Now let me remind you--on the general scope of the trial, Frankel did a reasonably good job. In particular, he did a meticulous job with Ari's testimony, noting the content and the secrecy of Libby's conversation with Ari, and claiming that "the sharpest contradiction [to Libby's grand jury testimony] was delivered by Ari Fleischer." How then--besides willful misrepresentation--should we understand his portrayal of Judy's testimony? Had you not followed the liveblog, you'd have thought Judy testified first and foremost about the purported NIE leak, which by my count constituted less than ten minutes out of about six hours of testimony and related arguments (and the liveblog, at least, does not support the assertion that "Libby brought her selected excerpts from a top-secret National Intelligence Estimate"). As to Plame? "But on the subject of Wilson and his wife." What!?!?! What, Max, what about the subject of Wilson and his wife?!?!?
In 7800 words, Frankel never once brings himself to admit that Judy testified that, on two occasions, Libby leaked Valerie Wilson's identity to her.
[Note, too, that Frankel falsely implies that Judy testified that she didn't write an article about Plame because it was too inside-baseball, rather than because Jill Abramson told her no.]
And this is precisely the problem. The detail that Libby twice leaked Plame's identity to Judy is just as contradictory as Ari's testimony, and a hell of a lot more incriminating. Indeed, it is the crime the investigation of which Libby obstructed when he claimed to have learned of Plame's identity on July 10 from Tim Russert. Max Frankel wants to describe this as a trial about perjury--a lie about a conversation with Russert--when in fact the trial is about Scooter Libby, with the help of the NYT, hiding the fact that Libby leaked Valerie Wilson's identity to Judy Miller. If Libby did it with the foreknowledge and deliberation Frankel describes, then it was a criminal leak, precisely the thing Patrick Fitzgerald subpoenaed the journalists to find out.
And so the great reporter and last good Executive Editor joins in the NYT's obstruction, its willingness to shill for the Administration, to misrepresent the Administration's crimes. in so doing, he repeats the mistake the NYT made in the first place, when they argued that no one should reveal Libby's name even while they had already revealed it themselves. Frankel uses a cry for press freedom to cover up the NYT's complicity in this case.
You see, Max, it's not that we liberals have lost patience for reporters privilege. And our eagerness to have Judy testify came not just from a desire to see Cheney and Libby exposed.
Liberals were so eager to see Cheney and Libby exposed that they lost patience for reporters’ claims of privilege.
Rather, it comes from a desire to see you exposed. It is time that the NYT stops pretending that it stands on the side of the public, as passive unwilling dupes of this Administration. It is time that the NYT stops laughing off the role of Miller and Gordon and Tyler and Raines and Keller and now Frankel in bringing this country to war on a pack of lies. It is time the NYT stops claiming these were leaks, rather than willful cooperation in the publication of propaganda.
And so, Max Frankel piles propaganda on top of propaganda, arguing the NYT's tired plea they were wronged in this case.
It may sound cynical to conclude that tolerating abusive leaks by government is the price that society has to pay for the benefit of receiving essential leaks about government. But that awkward condition has long served to protect the most vital secrets while dislodging the many the public deserves to know.
As Justice Potter Stewart wrote after studying the unending contest between the government and the press during the cold war:
So far as the Constitution goes ... the press is free to do battle against secrecy and deception in government. But the press cannot expect from the Constitution any guarantee that it will succeed. ... The Constitution itself is neither a Freedom of Information Act nor an Official Secrets Act. The Constitution, in other words, establishes the contest, not its resolution. ... For the rest, we must rely, as so often in our system we must, on the tug and pull of the political forces in American society.
In loose translation: Prosecutors of the realm, let this back-alley market flourish. Attorneys general and others armed with subpoena power, please leave well enough alone. Back off. Butt out.
No, Mr. Frankel. It's not a matter of tolerating abusive leaks. It's a matter of not tolerating shitty journalism and irresponsible editing. And the day you yoked your fate to Judy Miller's, you endorsed all that shitty journalism and irresponsible editing. Certainly, the day you write a 7800-word article that willfully hides the fact that Scooter Libby intended to launder a deliberate leak of Plame's identity through Judy Miller and the NYT, you lose your right to lecture us about reporters privilege and the public's interests in leaks.
Clean up your own house, first, before you start telling us about what is or is not in our best interest.
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Thank you, again and again, ew.
emptywheel smackdown !~
The Times, through Frankel, is still trying to absolve both themselves and Judy Miller for their complicity in the run-up to war. She has in fact down as much or more damage to the reputation of the NYT than the plagiarist Jayson Blair. Even though they’ve cut her loose, they still cannot admit the harm she did to their reputation and to the US. Of course, they were usually behind the curve on Watergate, although they did do the Pentagon Papers.
Frankel also forgets, that a leaked lie or a leak that is not for information but retribution should never be protected. I would think a journalist, with a strong ethical and moral base, would understand the difference. And if the journalist outs a “source” who has leaked for the reasons that Libby leaked, I would think that the only persons truly upset would be the source who gets caught in the lie.
My $.02
It’s all about the aspens, and their roots.
Marcy, you’ve been working hard I see. I’ll watch G-Town and UNC go at it in OT and then get to your post. You always deliver the goods!
Neil @ 6
Geez, this didn’t look so long until I published it.
The short version is: Frankel tells the “whole story” of the trial without ever mentioning that Judy testified that Libby leaked Plame’s identity to her.
Hit’em again!
Harder!
Harder!
That was a high school cheer I remember, but I don’t remember the sport. Football?
What people aren’t talking about here is the ethics balance: rights v. responsibilities. EW, you did a great job in shining some light into dark corners, but that is the point at which analysis should occur.
What are the explicit responsibilities of the press?
The press is stating axiomatically that they have rights, but they are not willing to own up to any responsibilities. Right now, they seem to think that they are only responsible for keeping their mouths shut and looking the other way when something happens which could cut off their access to leakers.
There should be a code of ethics for reporters that starts off: “First, repeat no bullshit”
This is the essence, the core, the nugget and you have exposed them and left them twisting in the web of their own deceit and complicity.
Thank you emptywheel, from the bottom of my heart.
Dan Robinson @ 8
It’s a great way of putting it. That’s what’s going on–the press demanding they retain their rights, while not meeting the bare minimum of their responsibilities.
Disappointing from Frankel, one of the true journalistic heroes of the Nixon era.
litigatormom @ 11
It was a sad day in the courthouse, and it’s a sad day today.
Empty wheel,
Spot on. Journalism at MSM wants to have it both ways. Strong writing. I too am sick of the self-serving crap offered up by Judy Miller etal
gonna tell a story Marcy that’s not comfortable for me to tell
when I was growing up, my dad was clearly the most inteligent man in my neighborhood, in all aspects, technical knowledge, book knowledge, practical knowledge
now this isn’t just a boys fond memory, it is absolutely true…my friends, aquantances, and everyone that knew my dad would all say my dad was the go to guy
I’d give anecdotes but that would take too long
anyway, my dad is living with me now and he is still a capable man, runs his own bussiness and conducts his affairs without any help what so ever from me
however, and this is tough to say, his intelectual skills are not what they once were…where once he had reasoned response now he has knee jerk reactions, where once he examined all points of view now he goes on gut feeling
basically does not reason things through the way he once did
Frankel is growing old Marcy, he is not the man he once was, he cannot “connect the dots” the way he once did, he has knee jerk reactions instead of reasoned response
we all grow old
exactly right…. and beautifully written, emptywheel.
i so hope that max frankel reads this.
Booyah!
Thanks perris.
Glad you have perspective on it and also glad you can remember him in his prime.
Wonderful, as always. I’m so glad you can cut through the dreck these people put out!
perris @ 14 -
great insight. thank you.
Another exacting and detailed analysis, ew! And it should also be pointed out that the judges that ruled unanimously in favor of Fitz and against the views of the NYT, Newsweek, Cooper, Miller, ad nauseum (including a reprehensible amicus brief by Toensing)…NEVER deneied that reporters have A CONFIDENTIALITY PRIVILEGE. What the ruled was that in cases where the reporter acts to conceal a crime, and in fact, becomes a participant in that criminal act (such as a leak of National Security information) then the confidentiality must be met with an assessment of the BENEFIT that might accrue to public dialogue.
Fitz affirmed to the judges that Plame was a covert agent and that exposing her was likely to pose grave harm to her covert operations and networks. We now know from the CIA Director that this was precisely true.
Libby was no “whistleblower” exposing government corruption, rather he was himself (like Rove and Armitage) ONE OF THOSE that were corrupt…and using the media to attack their victims and sheilding themselves from responsibility by the presumption that their actions would be shrouded by a complicit Press that had previously played the propaganda game.
Wha’ts sad is this is what’s it’s like in just about every newsroom in America. Pandering to the government, to advertisers, to anyone who needs to stop the truth so they can continue to feather their own beds.
It’s why I got out back in 1999.
perris @ 14
Perhaps you’re right, perris.
It was that “you did a great job for us today” that really bugged me. Allegiance to the dying rag, rather than to the institution of journalism that he once served so well. allegiance to Judy over the truth.
Editors are never as concerned about the truth as they are about keeping advertisers happy. That’s the 800 pound gorilla.
From emptywheel’s ANATOMY OF DECEIT, page 84, Chapter 5: “Beat the Press”:
For anyone who has not bought it yet, it is just overflowing with unbelieveably clear, economical gems such as the above.
perris @ 14
Glad your dad is still keeping his business together, perris. As for Frankel’s mental capabilities at 76, his 2004 book, High Noon in the Cold War, showed little evidence of diminution of capability. And we have Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Studs Terkel as examples of people either his age or older doing just fine, being able to connect dots quicker than writers a quarter their age.
Then again, maybe there’s something in the water coolers at the Times Building…
John Casper @ 24
John, do you have an OCR program, or was that long excerpt a labor of love?
Great essay, Marcy! I’ll join the others in wishing Max a happy read of your article here. Don’t be sad, though. He might bounce back when the Times dies and he’s still here.
Max Frankel wrote a highly cynical review of Wesley Clark’s ‘Winning Modern Wars’ in Oct. 2003. Read this excerpt and tell me if you think Frankel isn’t firmly in the neocon camp with Miller and Gordon:
Frankel may have been a good editor once but he sounds like somebody who used to walk 5 miles to school uphill both ways in this piece. And he misses the clear point that deep background gossip from US officials regarding spying on the Soviets is not the same as outing an American spy. That’s a basic point that Frankel fails to grasp.
Things are different now. Giant publications like the NYT, are corporations. With vested ‘responsibilites’, and interests. It was not always thus.
From the US Court of Appeals decision on the Cooper, Miller appeal.
“Indeed, Cooper’s own Time.com article illustrates this
point. True, his story revealed a suspicious confluence of leaks,
contributing to the outcry that led to this investigation. Yet the
article had that effect precisely because the leaked information —Plame’s covert status—lacked significant news value. In essence, seeking protection for sources whose nefariousness he himself exposed, Cooper asks us to protect criminal leaks so that he can write about the crime. The greater public interest lies in preventing the leak to begin with.
Had Cooper based his report on leaks about the leaks—say, from a whistleblower who revealed the plot against Wilson—the situation would be different. Because in that case the source would not have revealed the name of a covert agent, but instead revealed the fact that others had done so, the balance of news value and harm would shift in favor of protecting the whistleblower. Yet it appears Cooper relied on the Plame leaks
themselves, drawing the inference of sinister motive on his own.
Accordingly, his story itself makes the case for punishing the leakers. While requiring Cooper to testify may discourage future leaks, discouraging leaks of this kind is precisely what the public interest requires.
IV.
I conclude, as I began, with the tensions at work in this case. Here, two reporters and a news magazine, informants to the public, seek to keep a grand jury uninformed. Representing two equally fundamental principles—rule of law and free speech—the special counsel and the reporters both aim to facilitate fully informed and accurate decision-making by those they serve: the grand jury and the electorate.
To this court falls the task of balancing the two sides’ concerns. As James Madison explained, “[A] people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.” (D.C. Cir. 1998) (quoting Letter from James Madison to W.T.
Barry (Aug. 4, 1822), in 9 The Writings of James Madison 103
(Gaillard Hunt ed., 1910)). Consistent with that maxim, “[a] free press is indispensable to the workings of our democratic society,” Associated Press v. United States, 326 U.S. 1, 28 (1945) (Frankfurter, J., concurring), and because confidential sources are essential to the workings of the press—a practical reality that virtually all states and the federal government now acknowledge—I believe that “reason and experience” compel recognition of a privilege for reporters’ sources. That said, because “[l]iberty can only be exercised in a system of law
which safeguards order,” Cox v. Louisiana, 379 U.S. 559, 574
(1965), the privilege must give way to imperatives of law
enforcement in exceptional cases.
Were the leak at issue in this case less harmful to national security or more vital to public debate, or had the special counsel failed to demonstrate the grand jury’s need for the reporters’ evidence, I might have supported the motion to quash. Because identifying appellants’ sources instead appears essential to remedying a serious breach of public trust, I join in affirming the district court’s orders compelling their testimony.”
You are very kind ET. No OCR here, but I prefer to think of it as part of an everlasting debt that I owe to Jane, emptywheel and commenters at FDL and TNH.
Precisely. Max Frankel is lower than pond scum.
Let us not mourn the loss of the antiquated newspaper but celebrate the birth of the new form of media, the blogosphere. Screw those newspaper guys, they’re history.
Everyone involved or even remotely associated with the parties that caused the ruination of Valerie Plame’s career and the destruction of our own spy network, will try to beat that no underlying crime drum until they think we have all been rendered deaf. Only then will they be able to convince themselves that they were not complicit in this tragedy. Self righteousness is the father of self denial.
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Citizen emptywheel and the Firepup Patriots:
First off, I bought yer book and read it on a 4 1/2 hour flight to Jamaica (”YA MAAAN!!”)…you are another of our emerging heroes of democracy.
The brilliance of this post is that it not only deconstructs the clever misrepresentations of Traitorgate and the trial thereof…but you disrobe the journalist as client to corporate power right here in public. Anyone who doesn’t now understand that the crisis of our democracy is not just with a corrupt administration but a final battle to the death with the corporate oligarchy, doesn’t understand the English language as you use it. Thanks, kid!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…ALL THEY GOT IS THE MONEY!!
The NCAA tourney cut into 60 minutes or at least delayed it. Anyone else watching Katie make a total ass of herself with John and Elizabeth Edwards?
Watching Elizabeth and John Edwards on Sixty Minutes, I think they are doing a fantastic job of explaining themselves and the choices they have made in response to Elizabeth’s cancer. These are good people, and when they speak, it makes their critics look both horribly cynical and extremely foolish.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 34
;0)
RevDeb @ 35
Couric was obviously out of her depth.
RevDeb @ 34:
I sure am. Was there any “some people might think” example she didn’t throw out? Edwards was right when he said that voters had every right to ask the hard questions. And good old Katie made sure to tell them all what to ask.
OT, but I need to vent. I was reading an article on the war today and, completely in passing, it mentioned Bush’s 2004 ‘mandate’ to conduct the business of country in any way he saw fit.
How come a 50.1% ‘victory’ in 2004 counts as a complete and clear ‘mandate’ for Bush, yet a 51-seat Senate and 218(?)-seat House victory in 2006 results in the Democrats clearly misinterpreting their election wins as a mandate for their ideas and ideals?
Pissed and grumpy, and now returning you to your regularly scheduled chat ….
/vent
RevDeb @ 35
I particularly enjoyed the use over and over again of ’some would say’…
wini @ 42
talk about concern troll, she gets the award. I can see why her news cast is a flop.
Some would say that Katie Couric should stick to “easier” topics…
Thank you so much for laying out this case against Frankel. I read the whole article early this morning when it appeared and I became concerned that he was covering the NYT’s vulnerabilities.
When he listed the Armitage/Woodward taped conversation, he conveniently left out lines without ever noting that his statement was an edited version.
I had written a post concerning Everybody knows here in Valtin’s diary on dkos and those happened to be some of the lines Frankel omitted. So, from that point, I was suspicious of his motives. In a sense, he both whitewashed Armitage, yet revealed the cold precision of his act.
This revelation to Woodward was before the plane trip, so the number of people who knew was limitied. So, who were those people, the ones Armitage refers to as ‘everybody.’ State and Bolten’s shop? OVP? POTUS? CIA? NSA? Obviously Woodward translated that statement in some manner. Who did Woodward think Armitage was referring to?
The transcipt is here (note, short pdf).
In other words, I’m noting that Frankel went out of his way to show a point of his knowledge about such transactions but, in fact, threw a little sand on the actual transaction. He didn’t penetrate, he explained away.
Thanks again, ew, for you wonderful insight and detailed analysis.
WOW!
Beautiful post, Marcy.
NYT like most press operations, thinks it is now pronounced freedom to repress.
I will read free links from time to time but not one more dime will fall into the coin slot of a NYT machine.
What upsets me is how many times I hear senators and congressmen cite articles from the Times and the Post as if it is scripture. No wonder this country is in decline. Thousands of diligent firedogs can hardly keep up with their streaming
diarrhealies.Brilliant insight; awesome post. I’m keeping my day job.
perris 14
when I was growing up, my dad was clearly the most inteligent man in my neighborhood, in all aspects, technical knowledge, book knowledge, practical knowledge
now this isn’t just a boys fond memory, it is absolutely true…my friends, aquantances, and everyone that knew my dad would all say my dad was the go to guy
I’d give anecdotes but that would take too long
anyway, my dad is living with me now and he is still a capable man, runs his own bussiness and conducts his affairs without any help what so ever from me
however, and this is tough to say, his intelectual skills are not what they once were…where once he had reasoned response now he has knee jerk reactions, where once he examined all points of view now he goes on gut feeling
basically does not reason things through the way he once did
Frankel is growing old Marcy, he is not the man he once was, he cannot “connect the dots” the way he once did, he has knee jerk reactions instead of reasoned response
we all grow old
take him for a ride in your new sportscar, perris……….
let him play your les paul……..
his responses may be limited, but listen to what he’s sayin’……..it’s an edited version…….my parents say less, but they’re sayin’ more…..
joejoejoe @ 25
Thanks for pointing that out, joejoejoe. I hadn’t seen that.
Powerful post, emptywheel.
Sounds like Max Frankel needs a copy of your Anatomy of Deceit. One wonders whether Frankel would have been less effusive with his praise to Judy’s lawyer and more introspective in his op ed about the NY Times’ role in this mess had he read your book.
I hope the answer is ‘yes,’ but your post makes me think otherwise.
and john casper
left you a few ’sports’ responses back in the last thread……starting at 84 or 89 or 97 or something……..
Well spoken, emptywheel.
Is there hope that Max Frankel is an old dinosaur who just won’t get it, but there’s a younger generation coming up in journalism who will? Maybe the old guard will stay on the defensive and refuse to acknowledge that some of them were complicit in spreading the Administration’s propaganda; but could there be others among them who see can see that, and will try to change the way things work?
Shame on Mr. Frankel. It’s a sad day in journalism when a slip of a woman like Marcy has to take them to ethics school. But that’s what it has come to, and there are few who can do it more authoritatively. Excellent job Ms. Wheeler. Keep letting them know what the truth looks like, in the meantime let’s hope they burn with embarrasment at having been called out for their inaccuracies once again.
pdaly @ 48
I don’t think he was one of the journalists who got handed a copy. There are clearly two or three copies circulating around the NYT. But I doubt he’s got one.
Couric has depth??????????
Thank you as well! I’m halfway through your book and I’m so impressed. Everybody should get a copy and read it.
perris 14 is probably correct…
the platitudes and comparisons :{
Sounds like Mr. Frankel has zero remorse about the war.
Perhaps he, in fact, supported it as did so many others.
(I vaguely remember some brouhaha from Dershowitz re him and the Mearsheimer & Walt article.)
Buckeye Hamburger @ 52
The value system in American journalism has fundamentally changed; “traditional media,” in its magnitude and corporatism, has become an enabling institution for the powerful. Those in the next generation who ascend to its pinnacle will have absorbed the sickening values of their corporate elders. It is unlikely they will have a change of heart with regard to the enterprise’s mission once in charge. Nor will young’uns who challenge the current warped value system be rewarded by its practitioners.
They will be rewarded in the blogosphere, though — with readers, recognition, and the adoration of poodles.
Present at the creation of a new media paradigm, etc.
Emptywheel,
I had the same reaction when I read the Frankel piece: brilliant writing, up to a point, and the whole time, I was waiting for the NYT’s “zinger” which would bring the whole edifice down, and so he did, as you pointed out, at the end. It was just another betrayal from a newspaper which used to be a necessity in an intelligent life.
Here’s my candidate for money quote: “. . . Frankel [later] claims that these poor journalists (and editors) were helpless until someone else came along and offered them a leak to counter those of the Administration.”
Yeah, that journamalism stuff is only he said-she said stenography, isn’t it? The Grey Lady will only print something it’s been fed by someone, not something its own reporters might actually know or have figured out– no independent actors there! But as joejoejoe @ 27 points out, the whiff is pretty neocon and maybe that drives the journalistic practices more than anything else.
On the subject of outing Plame, has anyone taken up the thought that it might have been done deliberately in order to blow up the CIA’s Iranian nuclear-proliferation team? That way, Cheney and his fantasists would be the only source of “information” on what Iran was supposedly doing, assuming the CIA people were telling them there was nothing there.
At the time, remember, Iraq was going to be a cakewalk and as they said at the time, “real men go to Teheran.” It was all supposed to be wham-bam, one then the other then paradise, “regime change” as far as the eye could see.
For my money, this would explain much better all the stress on Wilson getting this gig from his wife, and it also better explains why Libby thinks he’s such a hero for keeping quiet.
Just a thought–
dmac @ 52
hey dmac,
i think you’re pretty cool, i’ve missed you.
The large question for me is what is the common thread, if any, between the MSM and the Republican Party? Or more specifically, between much of the media and the conservatives. What does each derive from the relationship? Is it money, power, or ideology. Or perhaps some of each?
I’ve had the honor of chatting with a fair number of WWII veterans. My impression is that they tend to not want to believe that those at the highest levels of the government could be as deliberately unlawful as the Bushies clearly are. Just my opinion.
emptywheel,
You may have missed a comment of mine from several weeks ago. Your book is in circulation at the Boston Public Library.
Are search headings for a book a task of the publisher or the individual library?
If you use Keyword(s) anywhere search and use the search terms “spy” and “Iraq” AoD jumps to the top of the results list
Unfortunately, terms like “Libby trial” do not.
Similarly “Judy” “Miller” does NOT bring up Anatomy of Deceit but rather “Babe, Pig in the City” for some reason. Searching “Judith” Miller finds 20th Century Glass.
What the NYT has become is the what Katie Couric has always been as a journalist Network Hack. I was soooo pissed at the Edwards interview I was screaming at my tv. “Some would say” should be banned from any reporter’s mouth from this point forward. Maddening nightmare of disrespect for what 60 Minutes and CBS used to be. Murrow is spinning in his grave.
I just jumped on to see if anyone had seen the Couric “interview”… I saw the last 5 minutes or so and I was so outraged at how Couric repeatedly shot down any optimistic or hopeful explanations from the Edwards.
Here is my letter to fucking CBS 60m@cbsnews.com … I am so mad:
I am outraged and disgusted at the tone of Couric’s “interview” with John and Elizabeth Edwards… it might better be termed a drubbing.
Rather than use the time as an opportunity for them to explain their thought process and Elizabeth’s reasons for deciding to live life on her terms, Couric’s insipid interrogation was offensive.
Her slow and deliberate accusatory tone as she was lampooning their decision on every turn was unbelievable. She implied over and over, “How dare they pursue their dream in the face of disease?”
Who the fuck is she to tell someone how to live their lives? Or, the worst part from my perspective, to tell the Edwards’ what Americans think of their decision. Couric does not speak for me.
I admire them for pressing on and not giving in to the disease…. when Elizabeth was given a little time near the end of the interview to express her reasons, Couric cut her off at every turn, never engaging Elizabeth in a fruitful discussion, but rather spouting every pessimistic innuendo about why they shouldn’t pursue their dream.
Disgusting… I will never watch the idiot Couric again. If this was her attempt at “hard-hitting” journalism, it was woefully misplaced and in very poor taste.
I wish she and her deceased husband Jay had been drubbed the same way when he faced terminal illness. As I recall, she continued working full-time.
CC
Santa Fe NM
1)one source
2)with a bias, the bushies WERE pushing for war, but links to Al Queida were doubtful, and we later learned the links to WMD were made up by Scooter/cheney
3)Judy never checks her facts Scooter played her
4)Why protect a source who lied to you? It’s not like the source was mistaken or used Scooter knew Judy was his fool.
5) No Responsiblity. No Acknowledgement from Judy or the NY Times that Judy’s WMD stories were lies and that her Pulitzer should be returned (if she did that it would embarass bush and help restore Judy’s/the NYT’s reputation, but they won’t)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 62
i can’t remember where i read it, but seems to me i saw somewhere that some of the owners of the msm are the same entities that create our weapons. wish i had the specifics. i’ll see what i can learn.
Oklahoma kiddo @
62
My sister is retired from the newspaper business (do NOT ask which one, PLEASE). But through all of her years as a writer/reporter/editor there was one truth: no matter if an individual reporter or editor may have been liberal in views, most of the managing editors and even more of the publishers were conservative Republicans. He who has the gold, makes the rules.
found it.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
Dershowitz then goes on to attack these guys, saying that they had not read his memoirs…
Finkelstein then says that when he was writing his memoirs he was referring to his previous position at the NYT as editorial page writer.
so.
Right on Marcy. I stopped reading the article at the line “nonexistant crime.” Told me all I needed to know.
greenwarrior @ 67
GE owns NBC, MSNBC, CNBC is at least one example. GE has a LARGE amount of DoD work and has for years. And not just jet engines but other stuff.
cc in nm @66: “I am outraged and disgusted at the tone of Couric’s “interview” with John and Elizabeth Edwards… it might better be termed a drubbing.”
I was reading your letter to CBS and have decided to donate a little money to Edwards’ campaign in honor of the shitfest masquerading as an interview. Not much, but a little. I’d like to encourage others to do the same. In Couric’s honor, not that she’d know the meaning of the word.
Interesting that Katie Couric’s questions, for the most part, were all the “some say” questions that were meant to put the couple on the defensive. I thought John and Elizabeth were gracious and dignified in their responses.
Can’t stand Couric. She’s simple-minded.
NewsClues @ 73
Excellent idea… I think I’ll do the same. Some good should come of Couric’s incredible rudeness… and all with such a simpering tone.
OKkiddo@28
This is the crux, I think…
Fox with all its entities is Rupert Murdoch.
Viacom is CBS
Disney is ABC
GE is NBC
TimeWarner is CNN
GE especially has had the Defense work for a very long time. I worked for them just after they’d bought RCA (which brought them NBC). I was actually at an RCA facility where I worked on ATE for the Apache helicopter but they’ve had other large DoD chunks.
Dana @ 74
I agree… they held up much better than I would have, and were gracious even though you could see them clinching their jaws.
The bulldog approach of Couric in the last few minutes really got to me.
Perris, read BLINK and then re-think your post. Sure your dad is older. But experienced people make decisions differently than those not so experienced. Gladwell explains it well in BLINK. Your dad is probably recognizing patterns quicker now. No need to make excuses for him, he can still kick your ass when it comes to thinking.
cc in nm 2 66 ~ That was a great letter and I am glad to know I’m not the only one who sent an e-mail to 60 Minutes. I couldn’t hold back. As soon as the interview ended, I fired my e-mail off. Couric is just despicable. Her false “concern” throughout was in such contrast to the nastiness of her questions/comments. She is quite the piece of work.
Thanks, emptywheel. Great post.
I remember at the time you said if Frankel wants to restore the dignity of the NYT he had to face their Judy problem. He didn’t do that, and the elephant still sits in the middle of the room. And it will continue to taint whatever reporting comes out of there related to this subject until the Times decides to suck it up and do so.