wow. LEAHY! CONYERS!

a driveby ZED?

Christy! Go get ‘em!

Rosemary!

WoOT!

Let’s go on this!

Great job, Christy.

Blub @ 69

Eli.. another overreach quote today, from today’s NYT

Quoting Thomas Mann, Brookings
“There is a risk of overplaying their hand,” said Thomas Mann, a congressional expert at the Brookings Institution. “Thus far, the Democrats have been judicious in their use of subpoenas and focused mainly on Iraq-related matters. The U.S. attorney firing (controversy) is of a different order and needs to be handled carefully and fairly — with Republicans participating in the oversight.”

From a few threads back (lost track of how many). Need to listen to Thomas Mann here. There are RINOs that we need to bring into the fold. And maybe even a few hardnosed Repubes. Remember, the Republicans convinced Nixon to resign.

Bwwwaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Bush has to be able to get his confidential advice from his staff.

Right.

It is utterly clear by now just what all that advice has gotten the nation.

A TOTAL CLUSTERFUCK.
.

speaking of Nixon, is this too much of a coincidence (18 minutes and 18 days)????

BobbyG @ 7

Bwwwaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Bush has to be able to get his confidential advice from his staff.

Right.

It is utterly clear by now just what all that advice has gotten the nation.

A TOTAL CLUSTERFUCK.
.

This ‘getting candid advice’ crap is just that, CRAP. If you want immoral, illegal or unethical advice, by all means protect your staff from Congressional oversight. If you have nothing to hide, you should not have to worry.

can you please make some calls to end the war too?

Can Roves multiple GJ testomonies be used to show he is a prevaricator in the likely impending suit over the subpoenas?

Can we assume that the MSM was scooped big time on the missing 18 days? By the bloggers?!

And who will be the first elite member of said MSM to admit it?

Not only is Executive Privilege not any sort of absolute right, but if I remember correctly, no privilige applies to conversations with government counsel, so they can’t claim that one for Harriet. I think that was one of the precedents set by the Clinton Monicagate fiasco…

Impeach.

and where does Karl send all those crackberry messages? inquiring minds want to know.

You forgot this, the missing performance review trail:

I yield the floor to TPM Reader JD:

This isn’t a comment about what has been found in the document dump of last night, but about what HASN’T been found. (Note: my question/comment is inspired by this 3/16 interview of [U.S. Attorney] Bud Cummins).

If the USA’s had been forced to resign for performance related reasons, wouldn’t you expect to see a huge paper trail of the performance review process itself? Take the case of [U.S. Attorney for Western Michigan Margaret] Chiara. If the problem was office management/morale, I would expect the following in the record:

1) Some document sent to the someone in the AG’s office, saying, “Hey, I’ve been hearing there are some morale/managerial problems in Chiara’s office.”;

2) A formal letter to Chiara saying, “We would like to review your management of the office. We’ll be sending officials out to your district to discuss.”

3) A report to the DAG saying, “We went out to her office and, in fact, we believe there are managerial problems. Chiara offered to takes steps A, B & C to correct. Will review in 6 months.”;

4) Then, 6 months later, there would be another report saying, “It’s been six months since the last review. Nothing’s changed. It may be time to consider removing her.”;

5) A follow-up from the DAG saying, “Nope, her time is up. We’ll recommend her removal and replacement to the AG.”;

6) Then a series of letters/emails between offices about “Should we remove her?” and “Yes, we should remove her. Set it up.” and “Here’s how and why we’re removing her.”;

7) Finally, a series of documents setting up her formal removal, communicating that to the AG and the WH.

But, there’s none of that. You’d think if such documents existed, they’d be definitive and the first set of docs the Justice Department would release. If the attorneys in the AG’s office are anything like the private attorneys I know, they wouldn’t do anything as significant as forcing the resignation of any single USA, without first creating a paper trail a mile long. Should be 1000 pages of docs for each USA removal, right?

Everybody seems to be looking for a smoking gun, but the real story is that the evidence we’ve been given is of a gun that’s never been fired.

As I wrote yesterday, the Justice Department actually brainstormed on the justifications for the firings after they happened.

warm up the impeachment machine, get the Sergeant at arms on speed dial, and find a hoosegow in the Capitol building basement. oops. gotta go. breaks over.

Sorry, that was from Paul Kiel at TPMuckraker.

Someday Christy karma will reward you by naming a coffee bean in your honor.

epu’d -

I am just blown away by the knowledge/memory base (long- and short-term) of the bloggers who’ve been sifting thru’ these documents! Tidbits that staffers might well have overlooked.

Here’s one heart-felt {{{Thank you}}} !

Good Morning Christy,

happened to mention Jane’s favorite DOJ employee downstairs -

did I mention she was a recess appointment ???

Gonzales aides had been counting on Alice Fisher, President George W. Bush’s pick to head the Criminal Division, getting confirmed before the Senate went out of town last week for summer recess. But Michigan Democratic Sen. Carl Levin rebuffed a personal plea from the attorney general last Friday night to permit a vote on Fisher’s confirmation. His reason: continued questions about what Fisher knew regarding FBI complaints about allegedly abusive interrogation techniques by the U.S. military at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba

.

really, where is she ?

Wow. Yesterday I was afraid of what would happen in a SC showdown. Somehow, today I’m really encouraged. It looks like we might really be ready for this fight. It’ll be high noon with subpoenas at thirty paces.

Committee just called to order -

Administration has not been as cooperative as we had hoped -

You can see it live online from

http://boss.streamos.com/real-.....070212.ram

Christy - this is great - thanks for encouraging us to take action.

This reminds me of the months leading up to the 2006 elections, when you encouraged us to work hard for our local candidates, to give money, and just generally to do everything we could to get Democrats in office so that real oversight could begin.

Now the Democrats are in the majority, and it is time to begin a full-scale progressive blogosphere grass-roots calling campaign to remind our representatives of who helped them get into office and what they were elected to do.

Al Gore is talking about way more than just global warming as he gives Congress a pep talk.

Everybody seems to be looking for a smoking gun, but the real story is that the evidence we’ve been given is of a gun that’s never been fired.

Sort of like the dog that never barked.

Conyers/Sanchez meeting now and avaiable here.

http://judiciary.house.gov/schedule.aspx

(Cannon says the minority objects to the subpoenas)

Well, he always wanted to be like Nixon. You got it, toyota.

There are RINOs that we need to bring into the fold. And maybe even a few hardnosed Repubes. Remember, the Republicans convinced Nixon to resign.

and a whole herd of ‘em voted against the Chimp in the Senate yesterday - true, a vote for institutional pride, but I believe plenty of ‘em can be had on this issue

Absolutely we need more spine - but we need to recognize too that Bushie intends to use this as a rallying point for his own base. In calling Rover and Miers “honorable public servants” (emphasis on “honorable”) yesterday, he was (quite deliberately) following the same propaganda line as the “Pardon Scooter” crowd shouted oh so loudly, last week. He waited, and drew out the Rethug base’s anticipation that something bad was going to happen, then came out swinging to bring them back to life.

So, the best way to address this is, as posted elsewhere on FDL - Broaden the Investigation.

The other thing - keep it rational and keep their base de-energized.

Slightly O/T, but I wanted to put this out there before I forget and it gets buried.

The other day, Looseheadprop had a post on Rule 6(e) materials and the cans and can’ts of what Fitz can give Congress. It seems pretty clear that grand jury testimony which was not released in court cannot be disclosed.

My question for the criminal law experts in the crowd: can Fitz provide to Congress just the questions which were asked in the grand jury? Questions are not testimonial, after all.

Re-asking the same witnesses the same questions and getting a (materially) different answer the second time, spells perjury, obstruction of justice, and contempt of Congress in my book.

GAAHHHH! Rosemary was the first thing that came to mind this morning after reading the previous post!

The “W”art on the presidency is movin’ the lips again, sublime supoena time is nye - no? On record, in daylight, in person!!!!

Mention of Alice Fisher makes me think of the Alaska corruption raids. Wonder where those boxes of stuff are now?

cbl @ 29

There are RINOs that we need to bring into the fold. And maybe even a few hardnosed Repubes. Remember, the Republicans convinced Nixon to resign.

and a whole herd of ‘em voted against the Chimp in the Senate yesterday - true, a vote for institutional pride, but I believe plenty of ‘em can be had on this issue

Contempt of Congress is a matter of institutional pride also.

Mutant Poodle @
13

Not only is Executive Privilege not any sort of absolute right, but if I remember correctly, no privilige applies to conversations with government counsel, so they can’t claim that one for Harriet. I think that was one of the precedents set by the Clinton Monicagate fiasco…

Does anyone have the case citation?

Tim O. at 16: — Everybody seems to be looking for a smoking gun, but the real story is that the evidence we’ve been given is of a gun that’s never been fired. — great observation.

The ides are on the march:

A certain seer warned Caesar to be on his guard against a great peril on the day of the month of March which the Romans call the Ides; and when the day had come and Caesar was on his way to the senate-house, he greeted the seer with a jest and said: “Well, the Ides of March are come,” and the seer said to him softly: “Ay, they are come, but they are not gone.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ides_of_March

for those not watching al gore on c-span3 right now…

right now - the house judiciary committee hearing to consider issuing the subpoenas is meeting, and the webcast can be streamed here (or at the committee website if that doesn’t work)

UPU’d, Re: the The KarlsNewMath 18 Day Gap:

From http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002809.php
Posted by: Donp
Date: March 20, 2007 02:19 AM

The email of Nov 15 ends with “Who will determine if this requires the President’s attention” and Meiers says it will take a while as he is gone. The plan attached (page 15) to that says to begin making calls on Nov 15. Sampson had also recommended informing Karl.

The next email is dated Dec 4! From William Kelley at 4:48 pm it says:
“We’re a go for the US atty plan. WH leg, political, and communications have signed off and acknowledged that we will have to be committed to following through once the pressure comes.”

I don’t think it would hurt for the community to contact our White House, either. I’m recalling the video of those telegrams pouring into Nixon’s office demanding he release the Watergate tapes.

Mailing Address

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Phone Numbers

Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461

TTY/TDD

Comments: 202-456-6213
Visitors Office: 202-456-2121

Let’s not forget the context of those 18 days. Sampson had laid all the groundwork and was hoping for a greenlight to fire the attorneys… and then the Repubs lost not just the House, but suffered a stunning setback by losing the Senate.

The original 11/15 firing plan must have needed a little tweaking. As in, can we still do this?

And wasn’t the White House (finally) dumping Rumsfeld right after the election?

Guess we have to take the blog microscope (blogoscope?) to this very recent history, not just to the 18 days but to the timeline of 11/7 to 12/7.

In the last thread I named this Rosemary’s Baby.

Pathfinder -

Any chance of some live blogging?

Christy -

Just called my NC rep; got straight thru’. Busy line might have been more hopeful, tho’.

To have to listen to Tom Feeney, one of the most corrupt members of our government, is almost enough to make my stomach turn Blech!

Christy:

Morning. I’ll call Keith Ellison, my Congressman.

HotFlash @ 33

Mention of Alice Fisher makes me think of the Alaska corruption raids. Wonder where those boxes of stuff are now?

Bet Ed*ard Teller and Diane Benson would like to know also.

HotFlash @
33

Mention of Alice Fisher makes me think of the Alaska corruption raids. Wonder where those boxes of stuff are now?

Um, yeah, that would be the THIRD investigation that should have gone somewhere and didn’t.

DeLay — still walking around;

Lieberman and his $387,000 donations — still being an annoying pain in our backsides (you would think Republicans would be jumping all over themselves to investigate a Democrat, yes?)

Stevens and Son — big gaping black hole of inactivity

Can you think of any more examples?

Don’t forget to fax these guys above if you can’t get through by phone. You can find their fax info at Congress.org.

Christy says: So let the sun shine in….

Gotta love it, DFHs all across the blogosphere tuned in. Sing it, pups…

Long beautiful hair, gleaming waxen flaxen….

Salut!

Oversight. Accountability. Under oath. The whole slithering, slimy can o’ worms. Not just individual scandals…connect the dots. Pattern of corruption that pervades every fiber of the Cult of Bushie.

Rayne–NH phone jamming case. Didn’t that just fade away? Odd.

They’re so big on “VOTER fraud” which is code for people of color trying to vote. Marcy notes that immigration investigations might be voter suppression among Hispanics.

We should focus of “ELECTION fraud” which is trying to tamper with voting results.

Rayne @ 47
HotFlash @
33

Lieberman and his $387,000 donations — still being an annoying pain in our backsides (you would think Republicans would be jumping all over themselves to investigate a Democrat, yes?)

He’s NOT a Democrat!

If I could type fast enough -

Mr. Conyers recognized for 5 minutes -

I appreciate that some of the members of the minority would consider voting for the recommendation for the issuance of subs, not the issuance of subs -

Talking about the deadline of last Friday that was ignored by the WH

Meanwhile, newbies can go to urban dictionary.com for definitions of most FDL shorthands.

I’m pretty sure Karl Rove fell short of amassing enough credits to graduate from college: The missing class? Math.

TiredFed @
17

warm up the impeachment machine, get the Sergeant at arms on speed dial, and find a hoosegow in the Capitol building basement. oops. gotta go. breaks over.

Biodun @ 45

Christy:

Morning. I’ll call Keith Ellison, my Congressman.

Biodun, good plan, though you can rest assured that he is fully onboard for subpoenas and more.

egregious @ 49

Rayne–NH phone jamming case. Didn’t that just fade away? Odd.

Add Abramhoff and Guam to that list too. That was the “9th” US Atty., but seems to have been bumped for Yang leaving in the beginning of the Lewis investigation.

Pectopah @ 26

Sort of like the dog that never barked.

I used the same analogy a few days ago regarding the nonexistent internal White House investigation into the Plame leak. As James Knodell confirmed, that was another gun that never smoked.

RATING OF PRESIDENT NIXON- March 1973

EXCELLENT 13%
GOOD 35%
ONLY FAIR 24%
POOR 26%
DK 2%
TOTAL PERCENT TOTAL* 100%
____________
Bush Gallop Poll-March 2007
APPROVE 32%
DISAPPROVE 65%
BRAIN DEAD 3%
_____________

EPU’d, 707, *g*: These are just samples of definitions you can find at urban dictionary.com.

Interesting how often Bush agrees only to private interview, not under oath, no public transcript — 9/11 commission, Plame case, US Attorney firing.

Conyeers - To have the conversations as outlined by the WH could take place in a Pub, but doesn’t serve the purpose of getting to the truth of the matter

Executive Priv. - We don’t think it is a problem with this issue

All we’re asking today is to have these subs available - not necessarily to be used immediately.

I will give you my word that we will not move in a reckless or angry or tempermental way at all

Feeney again -

Subs not appropriate unless the Branches have not been able to work out their differences. If this is a witch hunt I won’t vote with it…

Conyers - I won’t do anything political, That would tarnish the Committee’s reputation, but what Fielding offered, with no transcript, etc. is not acceptable.

done and done.
that sneaking weasel bastard may finally get what’s comign to him.

Conyers is measured and conciliatory but very much has a focus and a plan.

re: ‘tv’ coverage.

Nobody has mentioned the missing 18 days - the Minority is talking about the “release of Documents” as if it were complete

While I relish the possibility of ratfucking the repukes, I simply don’t think the Dems have the spine to do it.

I suspect it’ll be a clone of the old Arlen Specter “Bluster and babble,” and then they’ll fold like a tent, cave in to Clusterfuck and it’ll be business as usual.

I wish I could say I have a shred of confidence, but I don’t. I’ve made the calls, not only to Leahy and Conyers, but to my own, regrettably spineless legislators (Feinlieber, Boxer and Honda) and I can safely say I was completely blown off.

I detest the spinelessness of most Dems. This is damn near a civil war right here…and we need to be fighting with confidence.

Naah, never happen. No one else sees it that way, except the repukes.

What measurement are we using for this scandal?

The 18 days gave Rove time to plot the states he most badly wanted to target.

oh god, fuzzy memory, but believe somewhere in those old linked threads there was mention the Alaska cases were supposed to be run out of DC

NH Phone Jamming ended in plea deal and no further scrutiny to def claims about direct WH connection

oh and

the bogus claims of Ohio RNC about their offices being vandalized - Pros. determined it wasn’t Dems, but gee, who was it then and why isn’t there word on that ?

*xyz @ 24

Christy - this is great - thanks for encouraging us to take action.

This reminds me of the months leading up to the 2006 elections, when you encouraged us to work hard for our local candidates, to give money, and just generally to do everything we could to get Democrats in office so that real oversight could begin.

Now the Democrats are in the majority, and it is time to begin a full-scale progressive blogosphere grass-roots calling campaign to remind our representatives of who helped them get into office and what they were elected to do.

it wasn’t only oversight (as critically important as that is), let’s not forget - they were elected to end the war, not to continue it.

no to funding the war for an additional 18 months - until 2 months before 2008 election (in order to make it an election issue? - i hope not).

TiredFed @
8

speaking of Nixon, is this too much of a coincidence (18 minutes and 18 days)????

Or . . . is it Fred Fielding, back in his old office?

/tinfoil

Still, you’d think that FF would have learned SOMETHING from watching Nixon implode.

You know, I look at Rose Mary Woods in that very influencial photo of the implausible reenactment of the 18 1/2 minute “accidental” tape erasure, and I think….

Hmm… another women in a blue dress… what is this about presidential scandals and blue dresses.

zhiv @ 55
egregious @ 49
Rayne–NH phone jamming case. Didn’t that just fade away? Odd.

—————

Add Abramhoff and Guam to that list too. That was the “9th” US Atty., but seems to have been bumped for Yang leaving in the beginning of the Lewis investigation.

Black doesn’t count in this round. The 8 or 9 are just the ones fired and putsched out at the end of 2006. There were LOTS of others who were forced out in the preceding six years. We need to learn who they are and what they were investigating.

this is great, christy!

here’s a telling sound-bite, to
offer some historical perspective,
when we make these calls today:

“. . .I’m not going to let anybody come down at night like Nicodemus and whisper something in my ear that no one else can hear. That is not executive privilege; it is poppycock. . .”

– senator sam ervin, then the
chair of the senate select committee
investigating the watergate scandal. . .

accept no substitutes, under oath, in public.

we need to remind them that these
“small details” — missing 18 days;
missing 18 minutes — are salient

i n d i c i a. . .

of a much-broader disregard for the
rule of law, and the principles of
ordered liberty. . . more here.

Rayne @ 47

Um, yeah, that would be the THIRD investigation that should have gone somewhere and didn’t.

DeLay — still walking around;

Lieberman and his $387,000 donations — still being an annoying pain in our backsides (you would think Republicans would be jumping all over themselves to investigate a Democrat, yes?)

Stevens and Son — big gaping black hole of inactivity

Can you think of any more examples?

The Ohio election fraud (machine tampering) was a fizzle, one underling convicted sorry, can’t find link and client coming soon, gotta tune.

Calling Conyers gets results, so do it! In addition to thanks for my support, I got the reassurance that “we already know about” the 18 day gap and “plan to do something about it.”

Morning everyone!

Ohmy what a nice picture. I’ve been seeing Mary Rose Woods all week in my mind’s eye, trying to remember her name. Was just too lazy to look it up. Thanks! Cool ref, heh?!

Good post Christy!

And incredible research by the terrific hounds who sniffed out the 18 day pile that wasn’t. Yahoo!

Ralphbon got EPU’d with a poem I personally think is front-page worthy :)

Since November 7th a showdown between the Congress and the chimperial presidency has been inevitable. I thought it would be over the war and involve Cheney. In my opinion this is better turf to fight on.
First, taking it out of the war context deprives them of their terrorism/troops blather.
Second, Gonzales is an easier opponent than Cheney.
Third, ever since US v Nixon was decided the executive privilege dodge, where national security is not involved, is a sure loser.

Pathfinder -

OMG! They’re only voting wrt having the subs in their back pocket….not actually *issuing* them? No wonder all this government ever does is take ten steps backward.

Aaaaaarg…………(and “mercy buckets” for the updates)

The Alaska thing should be looked at because there is a sweet deal in which ‘local companies’ get ‘huge’ contracts which are then sub-contracted out to some really interesting companies i.e. Haliburton etc..

Subpoenas authorized in the House!

Um, would it not be better to stare Bush down all the way to impeachment on something larger, like whatever arises out of pursuing the Plame/Niger/treasonous lying to the US, than the USAs? —- probably, but it seems the Committees have just about enough members with the guts to keep going, so far. Once the attack has been launched, the single aim of that attack can deliver a number of different Shwere Punkte until there appears a main one. Thus a number of attack points may well cause the whole evewntually to crack.

I just wonder about Cheney’s recurring leg problem — presaging at the least an excuse for bailing out?

Thank You, FDL, for the EMail links.

I just offered Arlen a chance for redemption by recommending he vote ‘yea’ on the subpoenas for the White House principals.

Ayes have it - Motion carried!

Whoooo Hooooo!!!!!

Contact members of the media, too. We need to make this outrage part of the national discourse (at least until Britney goes back into rehab and grabs all the headlines again!).

I can’t find the quote and if someone can help me out I’d appreciate it

I don’t even know who said it and this is paraphrased but I want to make a point off of it;

“it is congresses right and obligation to investigate…”

there is a missplaced sequence in this statement

I don’t want cogress to claim “it is our right”, that would indidate that their oversight is discretionary and it is not, it’s obligatory

I want congress to go straight to the statement;

“it is our swonrn OBLIGATION to provide oversight”

that has to be the core, it should actually get more direct then that, like so;

“it is congress’s sworn obligation to investigaste this matter and the president has some kind of nerve seeking to obstruct the legal obligations of this body…the president would be well advised to STOP obstructing justice, the president should start fullfilling HIS OATH to protect our constitution and IF HE HAD COMPETANT COUNCIL they would advise him to facilitate and help congress investigate this matter” inseead of imepede the investigation

BAH DA BING, GA ZING…hit all the interview RIGHT AT HIS BASE

In Salon, Glenn Greenwald says the obvious:

(snip)

First, the President began his Press Conference by admitting that the administration’s explanations as to what happened here have been — to use his own words — “confusing” and “incomplete.” Why, then, would Congress possibly trust Bush officials to provide more explanations in an off-the-record, no-transcript setting where there are no legal consequences from failing to tell the truth?

Once a party demonstrates a propensity to issue false explanations and refuses to tell the truth voluntarily, no rational person would trust that party to make voluntary disclosures. One could trust (if at all) only on-the-record testimony, under oath, where there are criminal penalties for lying (if they have questions about that motivational dynamic, they can ask Lewis Libby).

(snip)

Pathfinder @ 83

Ayes have it - Motion carried!

Whoooo Hooooo!!!!!

Help me out here. I just arrived, & had just put up a tiny window to the committee streaming video. Was this a vote to issue subpoenas?? House Judiciary?

CNN report systematically going through each of the fired attorneys showing they were doing great work, had been praised. good stuff.

Latest report: House Committee votes to authorize use of subpooenas in prosecutor firings probe. Dana Bash reporting. Dems called the Bush offer “insulting.”

Helene R. @ 74

Calling Conyers gets results, so do it! In addition to thanks for my support, I got the reassurance that “we already know about” the 18 day gap and “plan to do something about it.”

I am so happy to hear that :) I’m on the phone to Leahy’s office again this morning - Good to be a constituent!

Hmmm. Haven’t heard a peep yet from the chickenflock that is the MSM re the missing 18 days.

Could it be they’re busily behind the scenes working to confirm it? Calling Snowjob and wringing hands together on what kind of evasive doublespeak nonanswer to “report”?

A double-rasher of grit to the first MSM person who actually reports this.

OT
Gore just finished direct testimony (don’t think he was sworn in). Whatta windbag. They waived time constraint, so he spoke for 20-25 minutes (usual=5-10?), in a wandering fashion. Bad job. Anyone who wants him to run for prez ought to replay his testimony & think what it would be like to listen to him for 8 years.

Let’s not forget the firing of the US Attorney for the Northern Marianas, by special request to Susan Ralston from Jack Abramoff in November of 2002.
Black

This example from Bush’s first term needs to be re-examined in light of the recent firings.

See also this article: Abramoff accessed secret FBI info

Rove’s signature is all over this one, too.

I forgot to suggest…… I have emailed my Reps…. Gallup shows the Dems to have a sudden only 28% Approval. I told my reps it is because of their gutlessness concerning i). the Presidency, and, ii). Iraq/Iran.

Thanks guys! Whoo Hooo!

I knew this was NOT the day to try to get other work done. Dang!

Demand as much action/pursuit of accountability from the MSM as from the majority party.

Which is more absurd: (1) a mouse crawling up an elephant’s tail with sex in mind, or (2) GWB saying, “Trust me; I promise not to lie”?

eCAHNomics @ 91

OT
Gore just finished direct testimony (don’t think he was sworn in). Whatta windbag. They waived time constraint, so he spoke for 20-25 minutes (usual=5-10?), in a wandering fashion. Bad job. Anyone who wants him to run for prez ought to replay his testimony & think what it would be like to listen to him for 8 years.

I have listened to the boy president for six years. Gore would be a welcome relief.