
In the middle of a hearing talking about the seriousness of protecting covert CIA officers' identities, Congressman Tom Davis and Victoria Toensing had the following exchange.(Starting at 3:32:20 on CSPAN)
Davis: Once it gets to the press level, say someone inadvertently leaked this to the, to the press, what should the CIA do, notwithstanding the act, what should the CIA do or be able to do to protect their operatives and what do you think they did in this case?
Toensing: Well, they didn't do anything in this case. As anybody looking at it, as I view it, as I see all the facts, I have no reason whatsoever to believe that Ms. Plame was covert under the statute. I mean, they can call ... I've represented a covert ... officer, it's not an agent, actually, the statute uses that term but Ms. Plame was a covert officer, I've represented a covert officer uh, from the CIA, and let me tell you, in the course of my representation, the New York Times was going to print her name on its front page. And the New York Times reporter, a wonderful reporter, Tim Weiner called me and said the CIA had just called him and told him that they were going to go after him criminally if they printed her name. No such threat was ever given to Bob Novak. And, good for Tim Weiner, he went ahead and printed it anyway.
Huh?!?!?! There's a lot to balk at in this passage. Toensing helpfully points out that the IIPA--which she had been describing as a statute crafted with careful, accurate language--uses a misleading term, "covert agent" for arguably the most important term in the statute. Once again, Toensing makes claims to having all the facts about issues that remain under grand jury secrecy. And then--again, remember this is a hearing on the importance of protecting covert agents' identities--she says, "good for Tim Weiner, he published a covert officer's identity."
Now, before I examine what such a shocking claim means for Toensing's argument, let me explain that it's not (quite) as bad as it sounds. The covert officer in question was Janine Brookner, and Toensing was representing her in a bias lawsuit against the CIA.
What happened to Ms. Brookner, one of the C.I.A.'s first female station chiefs? The agency says she suddenly became a drunken sexual temptress in Jamaica. But six fellow spies say hers is a case study in male chauvinism at the C.I.A.
For her part, Ms. Brookner contends in a scathing lawsuit that she has been punished for challenging the agency's "pervasive atmosphere of machismo and sexual discrimination" by filing a bias complaint and trying to discipline a violent subordinate.
[snip]
Ms. Brookner's Federal suit, Jane Doe Thompson v. Woolsey, was filed in July by her lawyer, Victoria Toensing, a Justice Department official in the Reagan Administration who is also a former chief counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee.
[snip]
Jane Doe Thompson v. Woolsey, filed under seal, was partly unsealed last week after the C.I.A. deleted large parts of it. The agency says it cannot comment on the case. Ms. Brookner's real name, career achievements and personal history, blacked out of the suit by the agency, ostensibly for reasons of national security, were detailed by six current and former C.I.A. colleagues. She declined to be interviewed.
In other words, Brookner was being screwed over by the CIA, and Toensing presumably applauded Weiner for publishing her name because it served to put a face on the pervasive sexual discrimination of the CIA (and, no doubt, helped her win a $400,000 settlement against the Agency). Toensing spoke repeatedly about retaining a way in the IIPA for CIA whistleblowers to expose wrong-doing, and it seems naming Brookner would be one way (but not a necessary way) to expose the CIA. Though that doesn't, presumably, change the fact that all of Brookner's contacts may have been compromised when her name was published on page A1 of the NYT.
(Brookner now defends CIA officers in personnel cases, but she apparently treats their covert identities with more discretion: "But she can't talk about many of the cases because they are sealed by the court. In fact, the names of some of her clients are classified.")
But here's the sad irony--or set of ironies. First, Toensing's defense then is almost a mirror image of her offense now. Then, she was arguing against the injustice of a talented female officer being screwed over and stuck in a desk job at CIA headquarters--and eventually, forced to leave the Agency.
The agency's inspector general investigated those accusations, took statements under pain of perjury and concluded in a December 1992 report that Ms. Brookner, then a 24-year veteran of the C.I.A.'s clandestine service, was an alcoholic minx who should be denied a previously offered job as chief of station in Prague. Instead, she was given a desk job with few duties at the agency's headquarters in Langley, Va. She then filed a Federal suit in July, seeking to regain her lost status.
[snip]
The settlement does not address the reinstatement of Ms. Brookner, who intelligence officials said today is likely to leave the agency.
Now, of course, Toensing seems perfectly content that a talented female officer would be forced into a desk job and deprived of her career.
Then, Toensing objected when powerful interests launched a smear campaign to retaliate against a whistleblower. Now, she finds such a smear campaign perfectly fair.
Mostly, a comparison of the two cases suggests that Toensing has an abiding dislike for the CIA that overrides any real assessment of the facts.
Finally, Toensing's comment--both her depiction of the event and her celebration that Weiner ignored the CIA--does one more thing. It reveals (as if her blathering already hadn't) her fundamental dishonesty about the efficacy of warning journalists not to publish covert officers' names. One of Toensing's key arguments is that the CIA should have intervened more strongly with Novak--and that such a warning would have worked. Well, first of all, Tim Weiner is proof positive that such warnings don't work. Weiner presumably judged that the CIA was covering up their own errors, which is precisely what Novak likes to argue (with less justification) about his own column.
But here's where the mirror returns. Because, of course, Weiner published Brookner's name in an effort to help her cause. She may not have bought off on the leak of her name--but those speaking for her best interest (including, apparently, Toensing) represented to Weiner he should publish her name.
With Novak and Valerie, it was the exact opposite. There is no way of imagining that leaking Plame's name and status to Novak would benefit her. Even the least malicious of the leakers--Armitage--was accusing her of nepotism. To Toensing, however, it is all the same, leaking Brookner's identity with some foreknowledge, and leaking Valerie's name even though her husband tried to stop it.
In the end, the purported author of the IIPA statute, Victoria Toensing, seems to think it is a good thing when a reporter ignores warnings against publishing a covert officer's names. Chew on that for a while.
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Victoria Toensing luvs Republican treason.
emptywheel!
Waxman!
Leaking the lies of Toensing…
Dick Cheney Controls Tim Russert.
Oh my God, EW!
That’s just unbelieveable.
Thanks emptywheel,
you rock!
and prove Toensing is a piece of work, a bitter piece of work.
She shoots, she scores!
Again.
Very Nice EW
I watched V.T. on Friday and was squirming in my chair. I still feel icky when I read about her. There is so much to do and too little time to punish all the perpe-traitors in this administration.
Does Marcy ever rest? I am in awe of her.
Gnome de Plume @ 9
so many crimes, so little time
nicely dissected, fileted, etc.
Well, that and the note of scorn and derision in her tone whenever she pronounces thos 3 letters together.
I got the distinct impression from her description of adding the 5 year limitation, that she has little respect for the Agency.
What confuses me most about the spin around this is the general acceptance that there was ‘no underlying crime’ if no one was charged.
So , if you see a body lying in the street with a knife protruding from it’s back, the death is debatable until someone is charged?
The other glaring omission is the assumption that, if the IIPA does not fit for some reason (provable intent comes to mind) that there is no problem.
Once again, I toss a knife in the air, with no regards as to the consequences. If the result is that body in the street, am I absolved of guilt just because “I didn’t mean it’.
Perhaps the knife just slipped while I was trying to impress my friends with my juggling skills.
Whatever.
More jokes from today’s press briefing with Tony Snow.
Snow is apparently now blaming al Qaeda for bad poll results.
looseheadprop @
8
Isn’t it? EW shows just how Victoria “I wrote the IIPA dammit!” Toensing can talk out of both sides of her mouth at the same damned time.
As a masterpiece of double-talk, it’s right up there with the arguments used to tout Social Security privatization.
Off topic - Kucinich wants people to tell him if it is time to impeach Bush.
Kucinich article and video
[Mod Note; fixed your link]
Are we talking about Mark Weiner, or Tim Wiener?
Great post, emptywheel.
Victoria Toensing is still trying to prove she has any relevance whatsoever in the post-OJ Simpson trial world.
-S
Sick Vicky writes laws and games the loopholes.
She’s a revolving door legal consultant.
Specializing in classified information, covert operations and treason.
.
Marcy-
Amazing post as usual. May I ask a slightly related question? I am preparing a letter and e-mail to Waxman (and bullet points for a phone call) regarding Karl Rove’s security breaches. I remember Christy saying that he had an affirmative responsibility to inform ISOO if he had knowledge of a potential unauthorized disclosure of classified info. Is that correct? I can’t find it in Exec order 12958, but maybe it’s somewhere else. I want to point out that Rove neglected to do this after he talked to Novak about the article, after he received a faxed copy of the article from Hohlt, and after he told Libby about the upcoming article. He had days to alert the ISOO of a potential unauthorized disclosure but chose not to. Waxman didn’t mention this, but I want this info on his mind when he pushes for Karl’s security clearance to be revoked.
BTW - these impressions com from listening to “Progressive” Matt Miller on his “Left Right and Center” podcast.
Essentially, I listen for Ariana’, and to hear Tony Blankley spout the Right line (Robert Sheer consistantly underwhelms me as a moralistic cat’s paw)
But the pain of listening to Miller’s “center” has gotten to be too much.
OT–but not really. Bush’s notion of the Beltway media (and its practices) and its relationship to the Administration:
TJ @ 10
I am in ewe of the rabid lamb.
Remember the George Clooney character in Syriana …Bob Barnes. It seems that Toensing would be all for those that exposed Barnes being exonerated of any criminal act. After all…Barnes was no longer “stationed abroad” when he was sent out on his covert missions.
Toensing seems to think that each and every covert agent that operates from the United States should be open to exposure…that any of the thousands of agents that operate from Langley should be unprotected by the law that she asserts that she authored.
I think that Toensing has actually EXPOSED HERSELF as one of the most radical and dangerous attorneys that exist in this country. She seems to believe that such agents are “fair game” for their names to be made public to enemy nations and terrorists through publication in the media.
And the REPUBLICANS seem to be supportive of her logic?
Just who are the PATRIOTS here?
Mack @ 13
If it’s politically convenient for Republicans, I guess the answer is ‘yes’.
But if a Democrat gives an evasive answer to a non-material question in a case that never makes it to court because there’s no ‘there’ there (you know — “no underlying crime”?), then that of course rates impeachment and removal.
So the circumstances of the case don’t matter … only whether the covert agent is outed.
Nice going, Miss Vickie. Watch out for agents - for the rest of your life.
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One of my friends watched the beginning of the hearing. She said it was interesting watching Valerie doing the ‘adoring dumb blonde’ act while Davis and Westmoreland were droning through their questions, then going all business as she answered. My friend said it gave some insight into how Valerie may have been so effective as an agent.
Somewhat pertinent here, but especially so in regards to LHP’s awesome post last Saturday, Wayne Madsen (I know, I know) put a post up last Thursday about one Ali Reza Asghari, a former Deputy Defense Minister of Iran whose standing with the powers that be over there has had its ups and downs. Asghari disappeared last December while on an authorized visit to Istanbul and Madsen suggests that he may have been one of Plame’s CIA “assets”. His wife contends that he was renditioned by the USA.
There are a lot of possibilities here, beginning with whether or not there’s anything at all of substance behind Madsen’s piece. If he is in US custody or that of an affiliated country perhaps it wasn’t a “rendition” but an extraction of an exposed asset. (In such a case his wife and family are probably in danger.) But if he was indeed one of Plame’s assets and was grabbed by Iran, in a just world that fact should kick in the punishment of all who were involved in blowing her cover to the full extent of the law, as discussed by LHP. Any FDL reader who is in a position to look in to the facts behind Madsen’s assertions should consider passing whatever he or she finds on to Fitz’s operation and/or Waxman’s.
Madsen doesn’t link to individual posts, so scroll down from the top of his site to the first entry for March 15, which begins “Former Iranian Deputy Defense Minister Ali Reza Asghari may be . . “
alabama @ 17
Oops. Tim. Fixed that one reference to Mark, thanks.
It seems to me that it’s unlikely, if not impossible that Toensing would author a statute and then criticize the vagueness of the most important defining terms without prior knowledge that the statute itself would come under scrutiny…
And one more thing… why is the CIA taking all of this abuse? They are the CIA!!!
O/T - but it’s making me crazy. Iv’e been reading about the possible subponea of turd-blossom and whether or not the prez will “allow” im to testify Can shrub block a subponea?
Please tell us what we don’t know, Mr. President:
So Toensing herself is applauding giving aid and comfort to the enemy. TRAITOR!
Oh, wait… IOKIYAR.
Never mind.
Emptywheel:
Nice post Marcy!!! You show here exactly just how full of it Toensing was in the hearing last Friday (not that takes much doing, she did leave around a lot of ammunition and self inflicted wounds there IMHO) with this comparison, as well as how bogus her latest argument about how the CIA didn’t do enough to protect her covert status by leaning on Novak harder than they were able to legally do was. I am running across this argument more and more frequently recently that it was the CIA’s fault for not telling Novak she was covert or not telling the WH she was covert (like the CIA had any reason to expect/believe that any Administration official would leak the identity of any CIA employee without verifying first that it was not classified) with more intensity. What was the CIA supposed to do? Were they supposed to tell Novak she was covert thereby breaking the law? Were they supposed to assume that their bosses responsible for protecting national security would out a NOC just to try and discredit the criticisms of her husband? Yeah, right.
Of course not that this is news to you, I am just very frustrated at all the self proclaimed “experts” on intelligence and classification issues that show from the very first word they know nothing about the field save for the talking points mailed to them by their political associates. Toensing has done incredible damage to American national security and likely has been making a lot of money off her defence of Libby on all the media sources that gave her a voice. She clearly does not care first for the intelligence community given her amazing ability to be outraged in 1992 over the improper persecution of a CIA station chief because she was female and therefore was a sexist action which she clearly found so offensive she felt it necessary to leak her client’s classified position, yet is more than willing to aid a sexist attempt to brand Plame as no one of consequence despite all evidence to the contrary that she was a NOC both by CIA defintion as well as IIPA definition AND to belittle her and her accomplishments in her profession AND to make her out to be some sort of stereotypical female harpy instead of the patriotic courageous operations officer she was.
Again, nice post Marcy and yet one more nail into the coffin of Toensing’s professional credibility (although by this time the coffin seems made more of nails than wood given the amount already pounded in).
More Tony Snow in one of his favorite shtiks, showing how those who disagree with Bush actually agree with him.
You see the American people are a lot like children. They know they need to take their medicine even if they don’t like it. So they don’t like war because it’s icky but they like its results.
Do people still use straitjackets? And if so, why isn’t Tony Snow wearing one?
P J Evans @ 26
That was impression shared by many who attended the hearing. You likely don’t find spies with Valerie’s combination of intelligence, looks, and listening ability very often.
Though click through to the third link on Brookner–it does look like she was also very beautiful, in her youth.
can someone contact the actual authors of the statute and ask them toenails involvement?
I know larry johnson reports they said her interperatation is incorrect but I want to see what they think of her claiming party to the law itself
Mack @ 23
I saw it on ewe-toob
I just want to say it again: you guys rock. This Wiener guy and the threat to prosecute him criminally was something that really stuck out for me, and I asked about it in one of the threads following the hearing. Well, here it is the next Monday and there’s a full report on the story and how it actually undermines Toensing’s credibility. What took you guys so long?
Way to go!
so she should just keep talking (we can hold our ears). remember what happened when George did that with privatization?
TJ @ 10
Does Marcy ever get to go to work?
She`s doing this gig for America, for her own blog and for FDL. I sure hope she gets some billable hours soon.
Thanks, Marcy! We love you.
…Abunocchio will tsing…
Toensing is one disgusting excuse for a human being.
What I notice about Toensing’s long, rambling and mostly incoherent response to Davis is that she never came close to answering his very simply question: what should the CIA do to protect an agent when someone is trying to expose that agent?
At most, we have an implicit answer that says, “well, if they’re trying to silence a whistleblower, then then should do nothing and let the exposure occur.” But since Plame was not a case of a CIA whistleblower revealing CIA misdeeds, we still have no idea from this answer what Toensing thinks CIA should have done in Plame’s case.
Thanks EW for exposing this traitor.
here’s another one in his own words:
linky
Our race-savvy President, quite knowledgeable about foreign affairs and international cultures:
*groan* as always. Punaise - question - how do you pronounce your name? When I see it, my reading voice says Pew -nace, but it has finally occurred to me that it might be Pun-ace. I know, I am kinda slow sometimes.
justintime @ 19
That’s what’s so disturbing, it isn’t about protecting America’s covert/classified assets. It’s about gaming the loopholes.
Toensing said in her testimony that the CIA made no effort to stop Novak from exposing Plame. My recollection is that a CIA staffer did actually urge Novak not to mention her name. Unfortunately he was hampered by a Catch-22: he could not tell Novak that she was covert because such confirmation would in itself been a violation of the secrets classification rules.
um, i know i’m going to take flak for this, but it needs be said: she’s pretty hot right now, too.
There’s a reason it’s called SOTU, Mr. President:
Looking at Toensing’s testimony, I think it’s easy to surmise that Fitzgerald decided it was useless to try to prosecute anybody under IIPA. It’s crap law written by a crap litigator, and an object lesson in the hazards of passing laws that are meant to be nothing but a feel-good, politically useful title with nothing but packing foam underneath. Did Fitzgerald look at the statute and think, Do I want to fight against an op-ed campaign led by the partisan clown who wrote this misguided lump of crap and try to get a conviction under this misguided it? Better to stick to perjury. And I think the best riposte to Toensing would to get some competent legislators to write a new law that protects covert operatives instead of providing Toensing with lifetime employment as a second rate lawyer picking apart her own legislation.
Marcy-
Re: my question @20- is that obligation listed in Exec order 13292?
And then he goes to tsing tsing?
Brookner? Yes, she is. I’m guessing she’s about 10 years older than Valerie (and both look about 8 years younger than they must be).
In any case, the two women have curiously parallel roles, around the evil Toensing (who was clearly never beautiful). I do intend to ask some folks about Brookner, but I wanted to get this out as is, for now…
ChimpCo & friends have been slicing their rationales into manageable chunks. Every time a crime or political embarrassment pops up, they have to slice the parts thinner & thinner.
Marcy proves in Anatomy of Deceit, and on blog pages that the slices are so thin that translucent is becoming transparent.
Keep up the great analysis!
Looking at Toensing’s testimony, I think it’s easy to surmise that Fitzgerald decided it was useless to try to prosecute anybody under IIPA. It’s crap law written by a crap litigator, and an object lesson in the hazards of passing laws that are meant to be nothing but a feel-good, politically useful title with nothing but packing foam underneath. Did Fitzgerald look at the statute and think, Do I want to fight against an op-ed campaign led by the partisan clown who wrote this misguided lump of crap and try to get a conviction under it? Better to stick to perjury. And I think the best riposte to Toensing would to get some competent legislators to write a new law that protects covert operatives instead of providing Toensing with lifetime employment as a second rate lawyer picking apart her own legislation.
Bush on depth and expansion in the Middle East:
more seriously, marcy’s post is exactly why the toobz are indispensable for journalism today. to toensing, and official washington, friday was a one-day story — that’s it. maybe it went badly, or well (and the absence of msm coverage suggest the latter), but to the beltway it’s OVER.
not so out here in the larger nation, and online, where one such as marcy can follow the dizzying doublespeak and show toensing for what she is.
i hope waxman makes good his vow to check out what toensing said. time to start taking names and collecting pelts.
Peter Lee @ 51
I think Fitz didn’t go after IIPA for four reasons. 1) He needed to clarify that Cheney–and not Russert–was the source of Scooter’s info (and therefore Scooter found it out through classified channels), 2) He needed to prove that David Shedd (who, btw, was in the WH at the time) was Cheney’s source, and I’m not sure he ever did that, and 3) He needed to find a charge that wouldn’t be shot down with greymail, and 4) His proof that Libby knew Plame was covert–which existent–was circumstantial.
If CHeney or Rove or Libby ever decided they wanted to start telling the truth, however, things might get interesting.
Toensing helpfully points out that the IIPA–which she had been describing as a statute crafted with careful, accurate language–uses a misleading term, “covert agent” for arguably the most important term in the statute.
This follows up on her account in her opening statement, and it’s at once hilarious and very telling. It’s on p. 4 mainly of her statement, and it’s hilarious because she tries to blame the media for getting confused before suggesting that the IIPA addressed the difficulty by simplyfing and using the term in a confusing way. But it’s also telling because I think what’s she’s trying to do is to evade the point that when the statute does distinguish between an officer and an agent, it talks about an agent (who is effectively a source or informant, not an employee), the agent has to be residing and acting overseas to be covered (and maybe within five years); whereas an officer or employee has to have served overseas within five years. The point is that this might suggest that the legislation is distinguishing serving overseas from residing overseas, precisely the reading Toensing is set against. (This is something that p. lukasiak pointed out over at JOM this weekend.) Instead, though, Toensing appears to twist the statute and its legislative history by saying on p. 5: “Notably, the legislation limited coverage of U.S. citizen informants or sources (agents) also to situations where they ‘reside and act outside the United States.’”
Like the rest of the legislative history she cites, it is not convincing evidence of her reading of the definition of the “serve overseas” part of the IIPA, and tends in fact to undermine her interpretation.
I know this isn’t the main point of this post, but I couldn’t resist.
i also think Toensing’s acknowledgment that the statute doesn’t map very easily at all with the reality of what’s the case at the Agency makes sense of the fact - much seized on and misused by the right this weekend - that Plame explained that no one at the CIA sat her down and explained that under the goofy, technical, even bizarre definition of covert agent in the statute, she was a covert agent, or covert under the statute.
I’m sure she was just told, you’re covert, you’re under cover, your status is classified.
Is it just me or does Sessions sound a little sloshed there on the Senate floor?
Toestink is a pathetic excuse for a woman. I’m convinced she is Novakula’s secret bride (read mistress). Yuk!
Elliott @ 61
No, because I have the mute turned on. I was wondering when the gentleman’s time would expire.
smapdi @ 63
It can’t be soon enough for me !
As long as the neocons are in power, irony will be an inexhaustible resource. Nice article, emptywheel.
Okay, it is 4:15PM - where the hell is that document dump?
e’wheel
you’ve just did some great heavy lifting here - hoisting toensing on her own petard.
her misleading and dishonest characterization of plame as “not covert”, a claim that she herself has bruited widely,
and which proved convenient fodder for the arguments of other right-wing propagandists writing about the plame-wilson matter
has been intolerable.
and now we find she has two sets of “principles” which allow her to walk on whichever side of the fence suits her purposes.
It’s not just you, Elliott– spiked Koolaid courtesy of the WH and Abu.
He just said that the purge was not a “holocaust of US attorneys.”
ick.
He’s no gentleman, smapdi.
emptywheel @ 59
and who was david shedd’s source?
P J Evans @ 26
I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking: “Whatever this woman did for the CIA, she musta been damn good!”
Marcy-
Heidi @
20
Gnome de Plume @ 46
well its a French word (means thumbtack, among other things) so something like “pew-nezz” where pew is what you sit on in church. accent on second syllable. thanks for asking!
I don’t see how Toensing could possible have written IIPA. IIPA was introduced to congress in 1981 (House-Jan, Senate-Feb) Wouldn’t this mean to most thinking people that it was written in 1980?
If you check Toensings resume, she lived and worked for the justice dept in Detroit in 1980 and didn’t move to DC until 1981. So, if the bill was written in 1980 how in the hell could she be an author?
She may very well have worked on amendments and/or help get the bill through congress, but I don’t see how she would possibly be an “author.” And BTW it was the House bill that finally passed, not the Senate bill.
I’ve obsessed about this for a couple of years now. Does my reasoning seem off to anyone?
selise @ 69
David Shedd used to work with Plame. He had firsthand knowledge–far beyond believing “she sent Joe to Niger.”
Wil @ 30
Executive Privledge–doesn’t mean he will win
punaise @ 72
well its a French word (means thumbtack, among other things) so something like “pew-nezz” where pew is what you sit on in church. accent on second syllable. thanks for asking!
I thought it was an amino acid that had something to do with puns.
As for sessions, I was being uber polite. Wouldnt want to get the non-serious tag.
I’m with you on 3) and 4), but I’m skeptical of 1) and 2). 1) doesn’t really make sense: he hasn’t clarified it for the purposes of the investigation now any more than he had it before. He’s just convinced a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby heard it from official channels first. And anyway, Fitzgerald is done with Libby unless he gets new information; no clarification apart from new information would change that.
As for 2), what makes you think the very brief questioning about Shedd at the end of the grand jury testimony was anything more than just sort of covering his bases? Is there any indication that Fitzgerald ever really believed that about Shedd - and we can’t count the early reports about Agency officers detailed to NSC as one possible way word got to the White House as evidence here, I don’t think, since those would just be what flagged the issue, not anything that gave substance to a supposition. Moreover, I tend to suspect that that initial suspicion was just that, a suspicion told to reporters by those familiar with but unfriendly to Shedd. Not based on any knowledge of his actions or even his knowledge whatsoever.
Who is going to be the first to have Nick Kristoff on record about his breakfast with Plame? Hume and Krystal carried on about how she “outed” herself to Kristoff even though she testified under oath that she was only there as Mrs. Wilson and did not join the conversation. Kristoff should be willing to answer that don’t you think?
Crap, I was afraid of that. Thanks
They read a statement from the Director of the CIA that flat out stated that Valerie was covert. Anything out of Vikkies mouth to the contrary should be met with, STFU and STFD.
emptywheel @ 75
oh, right… thank you for refreshing my memory!
angie @ 68
I can’t help it, whenever I see him, I wonder how many swirlies he’s suffered.
selise @ 69
Like this, maybe...
Lieberman is at it again.
Just watch the C&L clip below. It is nasty.
You’ll seem him flirt with a move to the Republican party.
You’ll see him discuss the possibility that he may endorse a Republican candidate for President in 2008.
And you’ll see him use the famous “Friedman Unit”.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....can-in-08/
Hey Marcy—
Ygm.
Egregious is always very serious. :)
I found another Plameologist today who didn’t know about FDL (but does now!). He is an American citizen originally from India and he picked my brain over lunch. It’s really a shame I didn’t know he was one of us during the Libby trial but I expect him to come to FDL to catch up from now on.
There are more out there. We just have to find them and show them the way.
I think Fitz didn’t go after IIPA for four reasons. 1) He needed to clarify that Cheney–and not Russert–was the source of Scooter’s info (and therefore Scooter found it out through classified channels), 2) He needed to prove that David Shedd (who, btw, was in the WH at the time) was Cheney’s source, and I’m not sure he ever did that, and 3) He needed to find a charge that wouldn’t be shot down with greymail, and 4) His proof that Libby knew Plame was covert–which existent–was circumstantial.
If CHeney or Rove or Libby ever decided they wanted to start telling the truth, however, things might get interesting.
I’m with you on 3) and 4), but I’m skeptical of 1) and 2). 1) doesn’t really make sense: he hasn’t clarified it for the purposes of the investigation now any more than he had it before. He’s just convinced a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby heard it from official channels first. And anyway, Fitzgerald is done with Libby unless he gets new information; no clarification apart from new information would change that.
As for 2), what makes you think the very brief questioning about Shedd at the end of the grand jury testimony was anything more than just sort of covering his bases? Is there any indication that Fitzgerald ever really believed that about Shedd - and we can’t count the early reports about Agency officers detailed to NSC as one possible way word got to the White House as evidence here, I don’t think, since those would just be what flagged the issue, not anything that gave substance to a supposition. Moreover, I tend to suspect that that initial suspicion was just that, a suspicion told to reporters by those familiar with but unfriendly to Shedd. Not based on any knowledge of his actions or even his knowledge whatsoever.
One of the reason I believe the Shedd thing is because Libby is clearly lying when he attributes it to Tenet. THere is a friendly source there, they’re trying to hide it. And remember–that question was in March, after the bulk of the investigation, pre-journalist, was done.
Finally, if the date of the Cheney informing Libby note is accurate (I’m completely agnostic on that), then it would put it within days of when Bush said he was interested. The interest in further research came from the WH, you see. And there are suggestions that COndi was involved/aware later in the process.
Juck Foe and the McHorse he road in on.
my contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside.
*xyz @ 84
LOL! Someone should walk up to him and say, “Have you seen Domenici? His lawyers were looking for him.”
Marcy: Great piece. Thanks again.
BTW, I’m also interested in your thoughts on Heidi’s question (@ 20 &72) when you have a chance…
Heidi @ 71