
(One of many Al Capone mug shots.)
Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, or maybe I've just heard the phrase "no underlying crime" one time too often, dunno. What I do know is that I am fed up with this particular brand of fresh fragrant fertilizer (ie, bovine manure).
Picture this, you are a prosecutor called to the scene of a murder. There is a dead body, there is obvious evidence of foul play; the victim has been shot. There are signs of forced entry. Based on the identity of the victim, it is likely that it’s a mob hit.
You begin the investigation. You call various mobsters into the Grand Jury. Some tell you part of the truth. Some tell you a lot of the truth. Some lie to you outright. You are pretty confident that you know who did the murder, how it was done, where the murder weapon was obtained, how (but maybe not where) the murder weapon was disposed of and who all the co-conspirators are.
So far, so good.
However, because some of the witnesses in the Grand Jury (G/J) told only part of the truth and because some of the witnesses in the G/J just made stuff up, you do not have all the admissible evidence you need to be confident of conviction.
But you do have evidence of tax evasion by one of the main co-conspirators. Evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. And it’s an open and shut case. What do you do? Do you ignore the tax evasion because it’s not a murder charge? Do you say in you best spoiled brat whiney voice "I want to get the bad man for murder cause that's so much sexier than boring old stinky tax evasion!!! Wah !! wah!!" ?
Or do you look at the facts you know you can get admitted into evidence, say "well, this adds up to a prosecutable crime and I am a prosecutor and this is my job" and suck it up and do your duty?
Ask the guys who got Al Capone.
Can I tell you how often tax evasion is a fallback strategy for prosecution major drug traffickers? I worked on a case once where the drug trafficker and his wife showed a total combined income of about $20 grand a year and when I got done going through the receipts and checks for the vet bills, feed bills and farrier bills for her horses, they where almost $30K and that was before they paid the mortgage (nice house) or bought a single grocery – did I mention they had a Jag? Nope, couldn’t make a narcotics case, so they went down for tax fraud. BUT it broke up his narcotics ring and there were lots of lovely little spin off narcotics cases that happened as the drug ring unraveled and everybody in their network began turning on each other.
So, I ask you: Is it better to put a man who you know has committed lots of crimes in jail for a subset of crimes that you know you can convict him of, or let him walk because you may not have enough admissible evidence to convict him today of the most serious of those crimes?
You know, until the Statute of Limitations runs out, conviction today of "crime A" does not preclude conviction tomorrow of "crime B." If any new evidence comes to light? Lots of possibilities suddenly open up, don't they? Bottom line, at no point in the tax evasion case would anyone be silly enough to suggest that there had never been a murder in the first place.
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BOO.
YAH.
Dick Cheney Controls Tim Russert.
Waxman! (Madness, madness!)
[I let TRex win]
Fitz!
Looseheadprop!!
JUSTICE!!!
Let’s take up a collection to get a copy of this to David Broder, maybe blocked out in big, brightly colored letters so it gets his attention. I don’t think he understands this simple concept.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....48_pf.html
Broder’s and Hiatt’s columns today were glorious in their awfulness.
Better journalists please.
Capone?! Are you sure that isn’t a young Robert Novak?
Watching Mtp this morning, first impressions:
Prime evidence of why Matalin knew that Timmeh would be the perfect tool for pushing the Plame leak.
In the contest of who’s more of a self-satisfied smug in his own well-cushionedness self, Timmeh and Richard Perle are two of a kind.
Except Perle is the WAR criminal.
And the only difference between Delay’s book deal and O.J.’s is the body count.
Sestak and Andrews — solid, intelligent, concerned for our troops. Qualities the Rethugs hate and don’t understand.
another term I could do without is, “at the pleasure of the president”
it’s gettin’ on my nerves.
it’s even simpler then this looseness of head props
suppose you get a conviction of someone for murder but there is no underlying crime that caused that murder
does that mean the person should have never been charged with murder simply because there was no crime that made the murderer commit murder?
of course not
keeping a prosecuter from finding the truth is a crime, a serious crime and I can’t believe anyone thinks there needs to be a beginning crime before someone can be prosecuted for the crime they committed
I’m still frosted that the MSM has not picked up on the incredible line from the Waxman hearing that the White House will not investigate a huge security leak if court proceedings are underway, and if the prosecutor can’t find material to gdet a grand jury to indict then, well, too bad, there’s nothing that the WH can do. Wake up, you dolts!
BTW, who was Al’s barber? I like those little tufty things over the ear.
Great post as per usual lhp, thanks. In a distantly related way, I think this is the way we have to go after all the wingnut welfare sheltered by fraudulent 501c(3) articles of incorporation. For the legal eagles out there, the Federal False Claims Act may be a spring board. IANAL.
Jane Hamsher @ 6
The pithy analogy I put up on my blog regarding Broder complaining about Republicans having to stop breaking laws now is the following.
The Capone pic also looks an awful like Richard Perle.
Jane Hamsher @ 6
What on earth is he smoking?
EPU’d. Pet people, check that link again, even if you have already checked it. Some new brands have been added since yesterday. Link. I think I’m going to throw up.
Great to see you Jane!!
How is it that Armitage is constantly said to be not a friend of Bushco? Isn’t he one of the original PNACs?
Trex gets the zed! ;)
OldCoastie @ 10
Have you seen this Jon Stewart on “At The Pleaseure of the President”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR8gU5YJTgE
Great analogy!
Hugs to Jane!
Oh, is Adie here this morning?
AZ Matt, you are right on, the resemblance is uncanny. Novak’s probably suffering from the Syph just like Big Al.
I think it’s worse than that. To follow Broder’s logic, if the prosecutor ends up not indicting anyone for the murder, there was no murder in the first place.
Has he never heard of an unsolved crime?
Good Morning lhp and firedogs,
kinda like putting pedophiles away for improper use of the mails . . .
cbl @ 24
Ah, the hidden ironies of homonyms.
At the pleasure of the President…does that mean Fredo can ask Abu for a lapper? Is there a brass pole in the the Oval Office?
apparently, he and Toensing went in on a quantity
OldCoastie @ 10
If I have time, I may get to that one later this week. They are misusing the phrase. The aprt that kills me is even the AS’s don’t seem to see the mistake
No underlying crime! Why isn’t Scooter, Novak and Chenny being charged with outing Valerie Palme TO OUR ENEMIES as well as the press as a spy. Outing OUR SPY DURING WARTIME IS TREASON PUNISHABLE BY THE DEATH PENALTY. Didn’t the Rosenbergs get juiced for treason? Has their been a change in the law? Is their a “special law” just for bushies? Or is the MSM so afraid of “loosing access” that they can’t even consider the thought of asking bush something so rude!
http://origin.theonion.com/content/node/37422
This latest Broder atrocity is reminiscent of an Onion advice column, “Ask a Faulkerian Idiot Man-Child.” The sad part is that, unlike the onion, I don’t think Broder is aiming at satire.
http://origin.theonion.com/content/node/37422
TRex at 8:19 am
Thanks TRex, if you had not pointed it out, I would have missed it. Major props to cbl.
John Casper @ 31
I am on permanent pun-watch, for better or worse.
holy crow, fox is actually presenting the other side of the story, I got this from think progress;
on fox!
forgive me while I go back to dreaming
John Casper @ 13
I am very familiar with Qui Tam.. It’s a non -starter under this AG, though. Great cases that agents and AUSAS’s are all fired up about are being declined. Do NOT get me started or I will be foaming at he mouth all day.
John Casper,
not vitally important to our discussion here, but did you happen to catch that ‘coincidence’ on budgetary constraints I posted downstairs ?
lhp, I’m not trying to lead you some place you don’t wish to be….
but when it would be possible. I’d love to know more about how the AG can limit private citizens’ filings under the FCA.
I’m not disputing your legal expertise, merely trying to add to my meagre non-attorney comprehension.
Old Coastie #10
I agree. It’s so obviously a “talking-point” (I hate that one, too) to obfuscate the criminality that lurks beneath the surface. Moreover, it has a monarchical ring to it that really grates me. It’s as if the fucking fool had some integrity and deserved respect.
(ps- I fished on both coasts- ME & WA. where’re you?)
GWB– “Why? Because it pleases me.”
barrelhse - I was working out of Boston and So. Maine (back in the day)
I have to post this before I go;
get ready for an onsloaught next week, it seems Iraqi’s don’t think there is a civil war and the majority think it’s better then under sadam
we’re gonna get it from the nutz tomorrow so be ready
here’s the link
see all L8ter
Here you all were, upstairs at the party. *sniff*
gm all
did anyone just see the faux news morning show? brit hume’s face was priceless as he tried to use the same tired spin on the testimony valerie gave on friday.
on the other hand, WILL SOMEONE PLEASE SUPPLY JUAN WILLIAMS WITH MORE & BETTER FACTS!?!?
please juan - if you’re reading this, much as i appreciate your attempt to balance the scales on faux news - you need to be better equipted w/ the facts if you’re going to discuss this case.
case in point: your inability to counter the assertion made over & over on faux that ms plame “sent” her husband to niger. please review her testimony from friday. she explained step by step as to how it came to be that joe wilson got sent on that mission.
oh & juan, that memo brit hume referred to which he stated “proved” ms. plame-wilson sent joe wilson, it was also thoroughly described during her testimony. chairman waxman has requested a copy to become part of the record. i’m sure it will be available to the public this week.
there were 1 or 2 other quick points you could have made to get the real facts out about the case on the panel this morning - but i won’t hold those against you, because i know once you are better educated about the case, (you should come to firedoglake on a regular basis - or read marcy wheeler’s book advertised on this site), you will get better at inserting the true facts during your discussions on faux news.
thanks again for all you try to do on faux news - its a dirty job but someone’s got to do it. i hope this helps.
best~
cc:
http://www.npr.org/juanwilliams
TV Notice.
I just saw a notice on CSPAN that they will be re-airing at least part of their Valerie Plame testimony coverage beginning at 3:40 ET this afternoon.
cbl @
35
Yes cbl and your information was much more helpful and specific than mine below.
perris @
40
Suddenly polls take on great importance to the party that doesn’t believe their president should be responsive to the wills and wishes of his own constituents.
-GSD
The Republicans shouldn’t be so quick to push the “no underlying crime” spiel.
Remember, the testimony for which they impeached Clinton was given in the course of a lawsuit that never made it to court as the judge dismissed it. And unlike with the Libby testimony, the questions Clinton was made to answer had nothing to do with the matter for which he was allegedly being sued, so it doesn’t even meet the materiality requirement for a statement to be perjury.
Hi Phoenix Woman -
thanks again for Friday night Goddess blogging - you rawk!
(and FWIW - I regret some of the commenters were unable to appreciate what you had created for us. Their loss.)
Bright blessings and happy (late) solstice!
No mention of Valerie on This Week. Cornyn is warning that Democrats are out to get Rove and Gonzales, it’s a political witch hunt.
Yeah, well. We know all about political witch hunts. B*tch.
Grr.
By the way, it was refreshing to see Armchair General’s Delay and Perle swatting down the myths and lies of some silly retired Vice Admiral named Sestak.
General Perle served in the Great Lewinsky Wars of the 1990’s and General Delay was victorious in the 20 Years Texas Cockraoch Wars in 60’s and 70’s.
-GSD
OT- Brzezinski just on CNN Late Edition, cutting through the thick layer of crap Hadley had just laid over the Iraq situation.
Brzezinski always makes so much sense to me; this morning he’s sharper than ever…Next up- military panel to discuss the surge, panel includes Pat Lang among others.
Just in case anyone wants to know the cases of voter fraud in NM that were investigated. And found to have no basis, or no reason to prosecute, or no evidence, etc. etc.
One charge involved the registration of an underage person. Someone managed to register a 13-yr old. Who clearly would not have been able to vote. On sight. But no criminality was found. Only an over-zealous registrar, paid by the voter registration forms produced. The Repugs tried to make a federal case, but it did not pan out.
The other charge was a lone Repug woman voter who claimed that someone else had voted in her place, using her name. She was denied her opportunity to vote. Of course there was no evidence, just her word. Maybe it actually happened this once. They tried to make a federal case of this as well. Did not pan out.
Of course, this all led to voter ID laws, a Repug favorite. The ACLU managed to gain some traction here in NM and had the law thrown out. It was actually just a city law, for Albuquerque.
And, of course, there was no prosecution for the thousands of lost votes and over votes. As if that would be any concern of the Repugs. Who found nothing but celebration in not counting votes. But we do have paper ballots in NM now.
And that is thanks largely to Jerry Ortiz y Pino. Who also introduced the impeachment resolution that failed in 2007.
kirk murphy @ 47
Hey, Kirkster, that wasn’t me — that was Chicago Dyke who did the goddess post. But thanks for the kind words anyway!
RagingGurrl @ 48
You mean John Box Turtle Cornyn?
OT/…I see this Sunday’s discredited lying scumbag that Timmeh rattled in our faces was the still-floating Richard Perle. Thanks Tim. Matalin was right, no?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 53
but sen lehey did such a supurb job of quiet smackdown (was that a cheshire cat smile or what!), that i didn’t mind cornyn’s feeble attempt to tow the party line
Phoenix Woman @ 52
PW, kind words for you - and Chicago Dyke - are always a pleasure.
And how embarrassing - I can’t keep my FDL main posters straight without a program.
No more blogging before morning stimulants!
(my cerebral cortex is - of course - blameless. or perhaps not.)
This “no underlying crime” shit is my favorite piece of hand-flapping these days, because the response “Well then Scooter must feel pretty stupid, getting convicted for lying about nothing” shuts them up nicely.
Phoenix Woman at 8:34 am
Absolutely correct. They are using all of Clinton’s sound bytes about consensual sex to defend treason.
OT, lhp, your prior Insta Declassification and Other Bedtime Stories was another superb post. Anyone can confuse us. It takes somebody really smart, to make things clear. It’s what I love about FDL posts.
Thank You!
I have been using the example of finding a dead body, obviously a homicide, yet the evidence is insufficient to lead to someone being charged, therefore by the no underlying crime theory of law there was no homicide because no one was charged notwithstanding the clear evidence of homicide by the dead body for some time now, most recently at Political Animal blog at The Washington Monthly to underscore how vacuous and nonsensical this spin always was/is. With the Libby convictions I started adding about how when one of the witnesses/potential suspects is questioned by the law and grand jury and lies and is caught at it by prosecution and conviction by a jury of peers and this is the only result of the investigation until it goes inactive and becomes a “cold case” does not change the fact a murder had happened even though no one is charged with the homicide while someone is convicted of perjury and obstruction from the homicide investigation.
This has been one of the most maddeningly annoying pieces of spin/deception surrounding this entire case. We know the crime happened, Plame was betrayed and exposed along with her networks and every operative that worked with the BJ&a cover as well as their networks with her outing. The fact that no one has been charged for it does not change that fact, any more than when a homicide investigation results in no charges for the homicide that somehow that meant no homicide ever occurred in the first place. This is a very useful post; I have it bookmarked for future reference.
The Rethugs and their screaming Harpie chorus amplified by their mighty Wurlitzer will continue to spew falsehoods, misinformation, and point to all kinds of bright shiny objects in their quest to hold onto power.
We now have our own Wurlitzer that is gaining strength every day. The MSM is sloooooowwwwwwlllly rising from its 6 year slumber (nice piece in LA Times about Josh’s TPM site and great work on US attorney-gate) although fossils like Broder (who plays a liberal on Timmeh’s show) continue to blather on and on about the shrill lefties who just won’t leave W and his criminal cabal alone.
In the words of TRex we need to ATTAAACK ATTTAAACK AATTTAAACK!!
In the words of Jim Valvano:
“Don’t give up, don’t give up, don’t EVER give up”
And we won’t.
I’m not very smart, because I can’t really grasp the Republican take on this. I watched the hearings the other day, and their stance seemed to be this: it’s bad to out an undercover operative, except she wasn’t undercover. Even if she was, she’s a Democrat and fair game. In all probability, she outed herself, or at least the CIA allowed it to happen. There was no underlying crime, because everyone does it anyway.
Yeah. That’s has all the internal consistency of a tornado over a hog waste lagoon.
Nice post, lhp.
Maybe we need a contest for the best apology to Karl Rove.
e.g., Sir, please accept my apologies for ever doubting you were a political genius. No one but you could have guided this President to a JAR of 30%, alienated more Americans and former allies or convinced the world that the US is an international pariah. Kudos.
Educated Plaintiff @ 55
I would’ve liked Leahy to have punched back a bit harder - But George keep interrupting him. So Leahy just smiled.
‘morning, tommy yum - what’s for breakfast?
Has anyone else thought about the irony. Bush had 80% of the USA’s in the bag and yet his party was so damn sleazy and corrupt that they still flooded the courts with criminal cases these past few years.
-GSD
Yep, the underlying crime is the occupation of Iraq.
John Casper @ 58
John, all one has to do is to contrast the case against Libby with the Jones bogosity (Google “james retter jones clinton” to get to a very good article on the Jones case) to see just how ridiculous the “no underlying crime” idiots are being.
My goodness Britt “I love my dead gay son” Hume is such a hack.
He was even worse than usual discussing the Plame case today. What is wrong with that man?
His new theory is that Armitage leaked first, so it doesn’t count if anybody else leaked too. His second theory was that since Fitzgerald investigated, Bush’s promise to investigate leaks doesn’t matter.
Educated Plaintiff @ 42
I saw the segment. It’s true that Juan didn’t counter every falsehood by Hume, but I’m not sure anyone could do that. Hume was at his dishonest worst, and Kristol was there to interrupt Juan whenever he tried to correct the record. It is a stacked panel.
OldCoastie @ 64
Green & Black’s chocolate bars with almonds.
Trust me.
kirk murphy @ 36
No he can’t stop you from filing. I’m not being clear. Usually when somebody brings a Qui Tam case under the False Claims Act, the case is going to require more money to investigate than that person can afford, and often will require the power of the Grand Jury subpeona to get the evidence needed.
It is very rare that a private citizen has the money and expertise and the luck to be able to pull together all the evidence necessary without GJ authority.
(My law partner and I did a quasi criminal case once using only the tools of civil process and pulled it off. That was so rare that newspapers were running multi part series on it, 60 Minutes and 20-20 did pieces on it–because it is so so rare that the stars line up that way for you)
Normally, a Qui Tam plaintiff puts together enough info the make the bare bones of a case an the Qui Tam complaint is filed under seal and the US attorney gets a period of time to review and decide if the USAO wants to prosecute in house. THAT IS YOUR GOAL AS A QUI TAM PLAINTIFF!
In the old day, when these decisions were not politcal, if a USAO declined the prosecution it was a signal that they did not think the case was very strong. The Qui Tam plaintiff was then able to continue the case on his own, but the judge in the case would get the message that DOJ thought the cae wasn’t winnable and often the case dies on defendant’s motion ot dismiss.
I’m not saying that no Qui Tam plaintiffs have ever prevailed after DOJ declined to take the case, they have. But these too, are vary rare and usually it was the result of poor communication between an unsophisticated Qui TAm plaintiff and the AUSA reviewing the case, resulting in forehead smacking at DOJ when they finally relized what this guy had been trying to tell them all along.
I have had a wonderful, cheap to investigate, open and shut to prove medicade Qui Tam where the agents were fighting over who would get to be lead agent and senior people in the relevant USAO were hugging me and calling me a genious and we were already planning what the Law Review article we were gonna write about it would cover, declined.
Considering that the USAO had the review period renewed and extended to almost 2 years, I can only assume that there was a lot of infighting and memo writing trying to get permission to take the case, but I don’t know that for a fact, it’s just the only guess that makes sense.
You guys have no idea how politicized DOJ really is. I have a very good sense of how much money the targets of my investigation spent on lobbying fees during that review period.
It just sickening.
yeah and then did he talk about how
John Cornyn: Concern Troll
raging gurl @63
“I would’ve liked Leahy to have punched back a bit harder - But George keep interrupting him. So Leahy just smiled.”
george is horribly impolite at cutting people off - but i still think leahy made his point solidly. he also was able to say “i’m the chairman of this committee & i will decide”. gosh i loved that
This is your brain on drugs “These and other publications owe Rove an apology”
This is what drugs do to your integrity and creditbility “Wilson’s claim in a New York Times op-ed about his memo on the supposed Iraqi purchase of yellow cake uranium” Which turned out to be a complete lie by the White House Broder being selective of the truth is a common characteristic of ussers
“no one behaved well in the whole mess not Wilson, not Libby, not special prosecuter Patrick Fitzgerald” umm? Wilson told the truth about the White House lying, I agree about Libby, but Fitz? come on! Fitz found Libby guilty of Lying! Because of Scooter’s Lying Fitz’s investigation into who LEAKED VALERIE’S NAME could not go forward. Oh for the days when we could torture people accused of lying to get them to talk! (I suggest we give Scooter 10 min of the Kahlid Sheik Mohammed treatment). Broder living in an imaginary drug inducded dreamworld complely removed from reality indictaes your in my opinion NUTS!
DEAN BRODER’S DRUG OF CHOICE THAT HAS BROUGHT HIM TO SUCH RUIN? That most insidous corrupter of morality, the Jones with the most Shakes, Dr Feelgood’s Fav WHITE HOUSE ACCESS!
At the risk of asking a question the answer to which has already been discussed at length….well, if the wingnuts are claiming that Fitz didn’t make this an IIPA case because Ms. Plame’s status might not meet the law’s specific definition of “covert,” then is there some other law that got broken or non-disclosure agreement that was violated by revealing her employment given that it was at least somewhat classified?
looseheadprop @ 71
Did you see Dershowitz’ call to break up the DOJ?
Wondered what you made of it.
The underlying crime is but one of many cards in the house of cards which will collapse is anyone of the many many many crimes is copped to. These thungs will ignore the law re write the law, and use any form of obfusgation to avoid the law… except when they want to hound someone on the other side.
If they’re republican… there’s criminal behavior close by. You can bank on it.
oh, lordy…….another Grimm tale. Although, lhp, there’s more than enough for you to match & exceed the originals. ;-)
cbl @ 72
When you have bad witches, witch hunts are justified.
looseheadprop @
34
But why not, LHP, you’re so cute when you foam at the mouth!!
scarecrow@69
“I saw the segment. It’s true that Juan didn’t counter every falsehood by Hume, but I’m not sure anyone could do that. Hume was at his dishonest worst, and Kristol was there to interrupt Juan whenever he tried to correct the record. It is a stacked panel.”
yes - thats why i took the tact of trying to educate rather then admonishing williams.
That article by Dean Broder is from 2006.
-GSD
lison gare @ 75
That’s the entire “underlying crime” obstructed by Libby et al.
Had Libby not perjured himself, made false claims or obstructed justice, there would likely be prosecutions on the underlying crime.
edit: I should also add, though, that greymail was a considerable barrier to prosecution; how would Fitz prosecute without getting snowed under with classified material that couldn’t be used, to the point where national security would be used as a claim for the purposes of shutting down any further efforts?
[cue emptywheel…]
Tommy Yum
You gotta give spew alert!
There is Earl Grey all over my laptop now!
Laughing myself silly
Tommy Yum– How did your solo show go the other night? Appreciative audience?
“Former Republican congressman Rick White, one of three candidates the Republicans have submitted to replace John McKay as U.S. attorney for Western Washington, cannot practice law in the state.”
Some have deemed it a “Hackocaracy.”
It would be nice to lay out all the opportunities we have to shut this administration down if not outright remove them from office. We could prevent any further damage to our country and the world if we set them so firmly into damage control that they could do nothing but cover their asses.
We’re close to that point with the dismissed USA stories, but not quite there.
lison gare @ 75
Many of us suspect that is true. However, I thinkFitz’s problem was having a prosecutable case AFTER all the grey mail evidence is subtracted from it.
Rayne @ 76
No! do you have a link? When? Where?
looseheadprop @ 90
At your pleasure. Heh.
Too bad Broder didn’t get one of those marvelous aging portraits of himself to go up in the attic when he signed his contract with ComPost, Mephistopheles Graham laughing maniacally while looking over Broder’s shaky, bony shoulder, the bloody signature turning into flames and smelling of sulphur and urine.
Well, I guess it doesn’t even really matter if you’re a bond fide lawyer in good standing when a Bushie wants to appoint you to replace an ousted lawyer in good standing. The law be damned!!
Educated Plaintiff @ 42
I’m afraid that Juan Williams succumbed to the Stockholm Syndrome long ago.
From the Dershowitz piece at HuffPo
We already have 93 of them. They are called United States Attorneys. Duh!
And at least 8 (though I submitt that ove hte entire Shrubya crime regime the number is higher) got fired for being non-political.
And if the Senate is gonna rubber stamp, it doen’t matter. Nothing in dershowit’s proposal would have prevented Shrub from appointing ABU to this “non-politcal” job.
In short, I dismiss it out of hand.
OT..but give some thoughts for Steve Gilliard today..He is having a rough time, following his semi-urgent heart surgery. I really miss his perspective on what is going on around us.
how about chuck schumer on meet the press discussing the US atty firings/gonzales resignation. he named 3 people - (didn’t recognize any of them - all conservatives), as who he would like to see submitted for AG. way to go chuck!!
from mtp website:
“Our viewers should note that we invited Attorney General Gonzales to appear as guest on the program but he declined our invitation.”
HA!
My basic cable package excludes FoxNews. But we get a Fox station, who fed me their sunday morning panel. I’d never seen them.
Krystol has this plastic, caught in the headlight, smile that betrayed his review of the next Neocon talking point. The guy never listened. Nothing he said had any base in reality, quite catastrophic that this guy is still invited to comment politics. Quite the crook.
Juan seemed to be the only guy who had any info that is based on reality. The guy was shouted down on four occasions…
The NPR lady was skating on both sides of truth, never really establishing nothing of importance. Useless.
Then there’s Brit… Any time Juan woud state a fact, expose a basic reality, Brit would get a look that any alien abductee gets when he’s probed. It was like watching a petulant six year old rich kid being told that the pool temperature will be lowered by half a degree. Brit will probably pull a Papa Bush Japan spew as the truth will surface from the muck.
I had to restrain myself from zapping, I could not handle the lying.
There’s a diary on Kos entitled ‘Rove Dirty Tricks-email Servers’ which mentions the question I have. Now that we know that Fitz’s subpoena of White House email didn’t get all the email sent through the server Rove etc. were actually using, does this change anything? IANAL. Could this be construed as further obstruction? Could this void previous deals (with Ari,Rover et al)since they were still hiding info from Fitz? Or is this just wishful thinking?
Anyone?
Once we get a Democrat in the WH, can we prosecute the former Bush US Attorneys under administrative law for not pursuing these cases?
That might open up a window for them to testify about the pressure that was brought against them?
Hi pups -
NPR watch # 2 (I had to start somewhere:)
Up til 43 min past the 8 AM pdt hour, today’s Sunday WE used Reason magazine (Right-wing spawn of the Wurlitzer) to frame laws and regulations as “infantilizing”.
Yep - indoor smoke. Incandescent filaments. (NPR’s examples). Thalidomide. Lethal pesticides. Pinto gas tanks (my example).
Protection of public health is infantilizing.
Fuck NPR’s neo-con fifth column.
Reason is the corporate-funded pillar of ideological warfare against all checks on coporate power. (The neocons’ ACSH spins propaganda specifically on science and health).
None of this is a secret to NPR editors.
The NPR editors choose to advance a pro-corporate, pro-cancer line every time they hand over editorial content to the “libertarian” wing of the corporate spin machine.
In SF, KQED is the logical target for changing NPR by hurting flagship station fund drives. If the flagship stations say it’s not fair - tough: what has the station done to seize NPR National News back from the neo-cons?
If the local flagship staions say the boycott is unfair - they can stop carrying NPR News’ corporate propaganda. providinig staion-genrated counterpoints - aired right along wiwth the national program.
The local stations funding NPR News provide aid and support to the neo-cons’ assault on our Republic.
If the flagship local NPR stations in progressive areas can’t be bothered about their own communities, why should the community bother to support them?
In LA, KCRW is the logical change agent. The station is very connected to LA’s entertainment community. NPR’s choice to air homophobe commenters/think tanks is a fatal weakness there.
Both KQED and KCRW are in markets where other stations would still carry NPR’s core news programs. Great opportunity to recruit listener-activists displeased by NPR’s surrender to neo-cons, but don’t want to lose their local broadcasts.
I’m not suggesting a nationwide effort to decrease NPR’s contributions. I am looking forward to a targeted campaign singling out a few NPR major stations in progressive, wealthy areas.
The campaign will use the disconnect between NPR’s News Division vs progressive values to make the national network’s embrace of the neo-cons’ hatred and cruelty the core issue.
The targeted flagship stations will have the very public choice:
support our community, or give up on our money.
Why pay to provide airtime for people who hate gays, love cancer, and celebrate war?
If that’s the best “public” NPR can find, their News Division isn’t worth our money.
When the target station stops paying NPR National News, our local donations will resume.
KCRW and KQED are major NPR supporters - what other major NPR stations in progressive areas could be useful targets? Most corporate change campaigns choose a few major targests - how many major NPR stations would be needed for a change campaign? How many would be too many?