I am not a lawyer, but Glenn Greenwald is.
And he points out a couple of things that I think are kinda important:
1) Lying to Congress is a crime, even if you're not under oath.
2) Alberto Gonzales lied like a rug before Congress.
Greenwald then goes on to mention the GOP's aversion to reality in general, and truth-telling in particular, by letting us relive a few other Republican scandals of the past few decades, using this to explain how we could come to have such a disgusting scofflaw as our Attorney General.
Remember those thrilling days of yesteryear known to some as "The Hunting of the President", "CoupGate", or just plain old "The '90s"? Greenwald sure does.
Lying was considered by our GOP/Media Complex friends to be a horrible, horrible sin -- when Democrats did it.
Fresh off cheering on Ollie North as he lied under oath to protect the CIA's drug lords in South Central LA (Lt. Col. North having a history of saying what certain people wanted him to say under oath), the Republicans and their media allies immediately turned to dissecting every last action of Bill and Hillary Clinton. They didn't shy away from inventing lies where none existed, either. (One of the big ironies of watching Ollie North's fellow conservative spinmeister Victoria Toensing lie under oath at today's Plame hearing -- which, considering her long association with the people who attacked Plame, isn't surprising -- is how high-horsey she and her husband Joe DiGenova were over Bill Clinton's evasion of a badly-crafted perjury trap set up as part of Ken Starr's $100 million fishing expedition.)
That all changed once Bush entered the White House. Suddenly things that would have been rated worthy of impeachment by the press during Clinton's two terms were either laughed at or swept under the rug. The same press that eagerly tried and convicted the Clintons of non-crimes in Whitewater, shrugged their shoulders over Bush's shady dealings with Harken, Arbusto, Funeralgate/FEMA, UTIMCO, and the Harvard endowment fund, to name but a few names from the Shrubbery's checkered past.
Even now, as Bush's imperial reign collapses before our eyes, the GOP/Media Complex still reflexively defends him and attacks his critics, and still is much more receptive to Republican-generated talking points than to actual facts in context. To list but one: They went out of their way to create a bogus scandal from a couple of anonymous Cheney "death threat" comments left over at Huffington Post, yet as Glenn Greenwald notes here, they won't make a peep of protest against the reams and reams of comments on right-wing blogs like LGF calling for Jimmy Carter's death.
The media's enabling effect (as can be seen in this bizarre AP story on Valerie Plame's testimony today, in which blatant and obvious GOP bullcrap is put on the same footing as the hard facts that came out in the Libby trial and the run-up thereto) is a big reason why the Republicans in general and BushCo in particular feel so secure in lying early and often: They figure that they'll almost never get called on it. (Though they can get so used to the comforting security blanket that they forget that it doesn't always protect them -- such as when Toensing lied under oath today and Henry Waxman called her on it, saying that he was going to fact-check what she had said. It was fun to watch her face when he said that.) Only when Republicans start trashing other Republicans -- such as was the case with the Bush Junta's plans to fire all 93 of the current US Attorneys -- do we get serious cracks in the GOP/Media omerta.
And then the press wonders why we don't trust them.
[03/17/06 Update: Over at my home base, Mercury Rising, my co-blogger MEC dissects the AP's take on the Waxman hearings and does it with her usual inimitable expertise. Check it out.]
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Larry Johnson up on KO
I don’t know if this has been brought up today, but I can find absolutely nothing about James Kodell anywhere. The only place I find the name that makes any sense is in Pierce County, Washington State in some minutes…interestingly enough, there is a Roger Bush on the same page. Who is this man. He seemed completely confused.
Hello Dogs of Fire!
PW, great post. Great illustration of the Bushco double standards!
Sorry, I did spell it correctly when I was searching.
(slides in on stocking feet, flips self onto couch)
Hi gang! Did I miss anything today?
Lots to ingest tonight. My idea of an enjoyable Friday night.
PW!
LS: Hmmmm. Maybe Martindale might be helpful.
LL: Thanks! I always worry that I’m not making the connections clear enough. Glad that I am this time (at least to you!).
Toesing is a twit!
Larry says Victoria is a twit!!
Wow! Trying to catch up with my whole day of Tivo’d C-SPAN and read all the FDL threads I could (sadly) only glance at from time to time at work. And with Johnson on KO, nice capper to an historic day. Can someone point me to the thread/comments or time-stamp in the actual hearings when they put the absolute smackdown on Novak (cause I know I read about it earlier - can’t wait to actually see it) Oh, and… great post as usual Phoenix Woman. Thanks for all the links tying these contexts together.
Larry says “Victoria is a Twit”
says it all.
Perspective
~~ [snip] As for getting rid of prosecutors the president himself had appointed, that happens less often, but it happens.
Clinton, for example, sacked a U.S. attorney who had grabbed a television reporter by the neck. In a separate incident two years later, he fired another who was said to have bitten a topless dancer on her arm, having retreated to a strip joint after losing a big case, according to the Congressional Research Service. ~~~
Powerful post, Phoenix Woman. Thanks.
Nah…
OldCoastie @8, have you been out tomcatting? **hums a few bars of Spring is in the Air**
Valley Girl @ 16 — Yeah, now THAT is getting rid of prosecutors for cause!
Dang, I missed Marcy’s excellent post because we were out having din-din.
Keith the only one picking up the story about Gonzo’s lying. Go Keith.
Pheonix Woman and KO going after the same target!
Woohoo
Someone commented on that earlier today. If he missed google, maybe he doesn’t really exist? I wonder if the committee has his bona fides? (adjusts tin foil hat)
lhp,
Is OPR where the sheepdogs were nudging us?
Speaking of the media: Holy crap — in a good way.
Time’s Robert Baer calls “Bullcrap!” on BushCo’s “KSM is the mastermind behind 9/11 and stannous flouride” nonsense. I’m astonished. I’ve never before seen a BushCo bullcrapping attempt shot down so fast by the mainstream press.
For real?! Excellent!
KO doesn’t wanna be Katie Couric.
MODS, clean-up requested on previous thread #288. Coward!
OT but unless I missed something the Waxman hearings with Valerie Plame, Victoria Toensing, and James Knodell didn’t rate a mention on Washington Week. Gwen Ifil wienie addict apparently.
nah, Lindy - while that sounds quite entertaining, I’ve been doing that work thingy…
Totally ON TOPIC you gotta take a minute to pop over to Kos and readThis great post by Mary
Yes, our Mary
It seems that the press owners as well as the republicans thought and hoped that Americans were stupid. And could be bought off.
I’m so proud of us. Especially our heros! (FDL included)
L.S., that’s because its Knodell (with an n). That’s also what made it so hilarious today when Representatives repeatedly asked him, “Is it Ko-dell?”
Keith has his old glasses back on!!!
Not OT at all, Hugh. BushCo wouldn’t be where it is today if they didn’t have the press fluffing them at every turn.
OK, I got Pizza, Cabernet, a nice fire in the fireplace, a snowstorm outside, and some popcorn for later.
Perfect. Gonna go check up on the thread I missed and then work on my post for tomorrow.
I think it’s gonna be a doozy.
LS@4:
I believe you are spelling his name wrong.
James Knodell, Director of the Office of Security at the WH
Rebel Yell 32: I searched KNODELL with an N, I just spelled it wrong on my post :} Try searching. It makes no sense at all.
LHP @ 30 — Holy Crap!
I think I know what your post is going to be called: Either “Hobson’s Choice” or ‘Fish or Cut Bait”!
“our” Mary is brilliant; what a straightforward and compelling read– thanks lhp!
Oh I searched last night for him and never, ever found it LS– curioser and curioser, eh?
Nowhere on the WH site either. :0
The funny thing is, not only are the wing nuts massive enablers for the constant lies of their preferred junta, they are still constantly outraged at the left and see lies there all the time. It’s like a quadruple standard.
I looked at some of that right wing live thread today and it was pretty unsettling, total bizarro world. Just my first foray, I guess, but really crazy crazy stuff. They talked about Plame committing perjury throughout her statement, along with expected stuff about how Joe Wilson is a huge liar and VPlame is covering for him and part of a liberal cabal within the CIA, and they couldn’t wait for Toensing to set everybody straight.
Aside from being incredibly wrongheaded and gross, it shows a very badly twisted relationship to reality and the truth. There’s a weird fantasy world out there where it isn’t enough for people who are obviously lying to continue to do so with impunity, but they have to attack the people who are finally able to stand up and go after the truth. Wow.
C-span is re-airing the committee hearing. Going back and forth between KO and VWP
Bookwoman 36. I know he works at the WH. I want to know where he was before that. How can you become Director of the Office of Security at the WH and not have any trace of a past? He could be a realtor for all I know.
I looked to see where you got singed last night, but I couldn’t find it anywhere. What thread was it that got your feathers ruffled? And…who???
(I keep wondering when we’ll get our edit and quote this comment functions back…)
Anyone started a pool on Abu’s departure? I can hardly believe it will happen. This administration’s engine runs on hubris and contempt.
OT, but
OMFG - I just now saw Toensing’s testimony today in which Henry Waxman chews her up and spits her out.
Is she amoung the undead?
She is so classicly in the Bush toadie mold. These people have no shame. She is hideous, absolutely positively f*cking hideous.
LS - maybe he worked with Brownie at the Arabian Horse association, or whatever it was ;-)
angie @39, others: agreed.
That is a pretty confounding catch-22 chimpy’s got himself caught up in. Big cheers to Mary for articulating it succinctly.
does anyone else think that the “black box” person who told rove could be tenet?
mr. “slam dunk” himself?
Ann in AZ—edit is back, and has been for several hours.
“Quote This Comment” should be restored before the morning.
LHP, THANK you for that link!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....251_5.html
There is a real estate transaction for a James Knodell in this ComPost link.
Phoenix Woman,
With regard to KSM, he was into bomb plots especially with airliners, like bojinka, but he never struck me as a hands on kind of guy. That’s why the claim that he personally beheaded David Pearl rings false for me. That and that the ISI was linked into at some point. Somehow I don’t think they would use someone that high profile and that they were targeting –too much possibility of it blowing up in their faces.
There is a concept called “metacompetence” — which is the basic competence required for you to give an honest evaluation of your abilities or knowledge of a given thing.
True wingnuts are lacking in metacompetence — they are literally too ignorant to understand just how ignorant they really are. This was shown by the study a few years back that showed that Limbaugh’s listeners thought they knew the most, yet invariably turned out to know the least, on any given topic.
I think that the deliberate starving of our public school system is a big factor in the rise of wingnuttia: Without ignorance, fear and hatred, the right can’t recruit enough “useful idiots” to do its bidding.
Well, Mr. Knodell is well-heeled from the looks of that real-estate transaction.
Nice catch.
If that is “the” Knodell, then he lives out my way. Will have to keep my eyes open while I’m out and around!
Knodell reduced…
A lead-in by Waxman, then the myth of an internal WH investigation of the Plame leak, literally destroyed by Rep. Paul Hodes (D-NH). Take a bow, sir!
I think they told this non-existent Knodell guy to go sit on the panel and pretend to answer questions. He was basically vacant. Maybe he was a hologram.
I want one week from today, in the Friday dump.
That Yahoo AP story Phoenix links to above
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....k_congress
….does not allow comments because:
To Yahoo! News readers:
Yahoo! News is working on new ways for readers to comment on the news and participate in a discussion around it. While we work on our new community features, the message boards that were linked from individual news articles have been taken offline.
As they were set up, the Yahoo! News message boards allowed a small number of vocal users to dominate the discussion. In addition, related discussions from similar news articles were not easily linked.
Over the next few months, we plan to offer new discussion forums based on topics in the news and incorporating the latest features to foster a better discussion for all of our readers.
Neil Budde
General Manager
Yahoo! News
Over at the Perky Dementor’s shop (aka the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric), the lead story was that Abu G. is not gone be round much longer.
Waxman’s letter to COS Bolton about the Knodell testimony today.
LHP@35, Can’t wait to read it!
LHP (or Mary, if you are here),
Is Mary’s argument, which is quite interesting, made irrelevant by the fact that the U.S. Attorneys “resigned?”
Of course, they were told to resign, but can it not be argued that they would have had to say something to the effect of “You can’t make me resign, only the President can do it” for there to be any hay in the claim that Gonzo hasn’t the authority to fire them?
Just askin’
Phonenix Woman; have some chocolate. It helps after exposure to Dementors.
Westmoreland addressed Valerie as Ms FLAME (sob)- I just heard it again. I hope Crooks & Liars picked that up.
Here’s a little bit more on James Knodell…
I’m still digging.
GW is being pugnacious, eh? Got to put a tough face on it. Gonzo is gone.
I am well aware that I am not as well educated or articulate as most of all of y’all. But, to Me for all that I do read, the point is not suppose to be what ‘they’ did, but rather what should be. Crying over spilled milk is what ‘they’ want y’all to do, and y’all do it very well… Too well. Y’all get lost in y’all’s intelligence and upper education. It does not matter if y’all can speak better than ‘them’, the fact is that ‘they’ are there and y’all are not. Whine allot as y’all do, whining changes nothing there; It’s only a mental ‘feel good for the moment’. What have y’all done lately to get those laws worded in such a way as to mean what y’all know that they should mean. What have y’all done to use the powers invested in the Constitution of the United States of America to effect the course that the United States of America’s government is on? If I may be so bold as to say so, the pen is not mightier than the sword. Actions will always be more important than mere words. Y’all are intelligent? Then, prove it in daily action for words are but words… Wind from the mouth causing dust.
RBG, thanks :~)
The authoritarian loons are eating the finest, most honorable members of their party.
Bush/Cheney/Robertson/Norquist wingnuts will destroy anyone they perceive as a threat. Anyone who doesn’t suck up to them is expendible.
This is about authoritarian dynamics.
When honorable conduct puts a prosecutor in the WH crosshairs, you know we’re deep in Wingnuttia MindWarp.
deviantdevil,
With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what actions the people here take or what sacrifices they make.
For example, I don’t know anything about you and that’s why I won’t criticize you for sitting around complaining about things.
Except, of course, for your absurd and ill-informed message.
Thanks! *chomps down some Green & Black’s* Now can you Obliviate me as well, too? Seeing Katie is worse than Dolores Umbridge as a Playboy centerfold.
Vicki on Fox: Hannity “your testimony was phenominal”
Devientdevil reminds me of someone..I can’t exactly remember…oh, yeah…dressed in red..you devil you.
This name calling is beneath us.
Devientdevil - welcome!
One suggestion: carriage return occasionally.
Hey, the wife is out with the girls and I’m holding down the fort with the kids tonight, but it’s been fruitful. I think I found Lynn Westmoreland’s kin on YouTube.
Y’all get it?
Folks, it’s been a great day. Let’s not let it devolve into petty sniping.
Believe it or not, the mods hate it when they have to moderate their friends’ comments.
PW @ 25 — who knew that TIME would get cajones?!
Including this line from paragraph 2 of Baer’s article, “But there is a major flaw in that [BuShCo]marketing strategy [about KSM]. ”
woohoooooo!!!!
LS @ #56
Vacant Hologram Knodell. FOTFLMAO ;-))
So sad; so true.
Waasn’t that lovely? He called it exactly what it was.
James Knodell…
Possible help here
and here Scroll down to find his name.
There is definitely a lack of biographical data.
RBG-sorry dude.
A lovely example of a 19th Century tribal rug from the Caucasus!
Rarely do my two obsessions, politics and Oriental rugs, coincide. The last time that happened was the Duke Cunningham auction, where some fool paid thousands for some lame machine-made thing.
@LS #4
Knodell
That’s the best I can find of any decent coverage of Knodell…. sorry for such a late reply, if this is any help
Helpful hint: “Y’all” might want to lay off the transparent attempt to troll the waters.
It’ll be interesting to see Ray Suarez kissing Vicki’s a$$ on PBS again tonite.
Bookwoman: I believe he said he was not an attorney when asked during his testimony.
Now can you Obliviate me as well, too?
No; too dangerous-I wouldn’t want to cause you any permanent amnesia; but you could try a Muffliato when you hear her intro music!
LHP glad you got home ok in this weather and thanks for the link to Mary’s article. And thanks to all the firepups for their excellent work on all things Plame. I listened to the hearings today via CSPAN’s internet link. Newtonusr, I agree that Paul Hodes rocked. And even without visuals, Toensing came across as a shrew one tantrum shy of a time-out. While I listened, someone raised the possibility of a “criminal conspiracy”. Does anyone know who brought that up? Also, do you folks think it likely that that sort of thing is likely to be pursued further or was someone getting ahead of themselves?
Yeah, I learned that one from the Half-Blood Prince. He’d written it down in his sixth-year Potions textbook.
Knodell’s office
Know what’s really interesting?
All the mainstream media accounts of the hearings today don’t talk very much about Vicky Toensing — at least, not the accounts I’ve seen. Is that what everyone else has found so far?
I come here for the good thinking and the good doing, y’all. And I thank you all.
Phoenix Woman at 92 — I didn’t see any coverage of Toensing on PBS and MSNBC. Also, only Countdown covered the testimony about the WH non-investigation from the 1st panel.
Scarecrow
My Quote this Comment link isn’t apparent - is anybody else’s showing?
Phoenix Woman:
“Over at the Perky Dementor’s shop (aka the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric), the lead story was that Abu G. is not gone be round much longer.”
Wow, that would be cool.
phred:
Scroll to 5:36 or so. It was Hodes.
I come here for the clear thinking, honest debates, and creative inquiring minds, y’all. It sure beats the lazy-@ss MSM, KWIM y’all. ;)
Phoenix #92,
All I saw was some mention on Hardball and Countdown. Larry Johnson on Countdown called her a Twit! I almost spewed my beer… he couldn’t have said it better! Shuster mentioned her remarks in passing so to speak, but did say that “This was Valerie Plame’s Day” … I didn’t bother much with CNN to much today, and I avoid FAUX like the plague.
I admit, I peeked in. The schmuck (H) gave her all the room she needed. Fuck. I need a shower.
Larry Johnson called Toerag a twit after he wondered what kind of hallucinogenic she is taking. Excellent!
Thanks Newtonusr — I should have guessed :)
Word.
Okay, everybody. I’m in a holding pattern. Dinner with the B-52’s has morphed into maybe-drinks-later with the B-52’s, since they are apparently having an amazing evening in the studio.
Damn musicians. How DARE they put off dinner with me just so they can write their stupid album!
Get down there!
Damn musicians. How DARE they put off dinner with me just so they can write their stupid album!
The rock lobster is better at the Sunday buffet anyway.
Anybody remember the “Hamster Dance” web site from a while back? Here’s a really stupid video on YouTube.
But dang that tune gets in my head!
That’s right Dru… forgot about the drug ref… gotta love Johnson… not a guy who minces words.
I’d like to know why there was such a major no-show at the hearing from the repub side? How many showed? 2? Interesting… someone scared?
No way. They’re in lock-out, which means NO VISITORS. They don’t need a bunch of tourists wandering through as they try parts that don’t work, hit sour notes, try out lyrics that may end up in the circular file.
You don’t intrude on people’s creative space like that. I would resent it if someone came tramping through my writing session, “Oh, look, it’s TRex! Can I get a picture with you?”
Yeah.
I’ll wait until I am summoned. And if I don’t get summoned tonight, then ’twasn’t meant to be.
Someone said this stuff was better than sex.
It was quite a day in the Capitol.
I’d have dinner with you…but I’m in California.
Goddang, TRex, I was so pulling for you and looking forward to news tomorrow. Well, drinks are drinks. Keep us posted.
Mesothelioma
Lol TRex—
I misread you and thot you said it was a QUIET day in the capital.
Thanks for the link to Mary’s diary on DK. I would recommend reading the comments, too, because there is a good discussion of the diary’s points occurring between several posters.
I’ll admit that I don’t understand all the legalese nor the parsing of the facts on whether or not VWP was covert. All I know is she’s not covert now and that’s not good for our country.
Assuredly not.
What’s you guys’ sense of the MSM buzz around all this? I haven’t been anywhere near a TV today.
Interesting sidelight to today’s hearings -
A cousin of mine back east, a nice man but brainwashed by the right, has been emailing editorials from the Investors Business Daily, WSJ, etc. which are over the top talking point screeds, including the execrable Toensing op ed piece in the WaPo - there was no crime, Valerie was not covert, etc. I tried my best to explain things to him but he sort of stuck to his guns, only getting so far as saying he would wait for the verdict about Libby before he would believe that he actually lied. Then after the verdict he sent me an IBD editorial that just fumed about the miscarriage of justice for poor old scooter.
Well, today I get this email - he listened to a bit of CSPAN I guess, and read a Yahoo news article about the hearings and writes this:
I didn’t know whether I should laugh, scream, cry, or bellow with rage. No doubt, Valerie Plame was a covert agent and the White House and State Department were unhappy with Joseph Wilson’s agenda.
Well, better late than never.
To quote Hamlet: ” ‘Tis a consumation devoutly to be wished.”
To Congress, quoting Jean Luc Picard: “Make it so.”
The few times I’ve seen the news it seems like most of the attention has been on Plame and Knodel.
(Isn’t “knodel” German for “noodle”?)
Heh! Spouse wants me to a) flex my nonexistent muscles and demand a signed copy when it comes out, and b) ask if you know REM, too. (Yes, my spouse is a demanding spouse.)
For some reason the Valerie story is not as big with the MSM as the federal judges. Possibly because the right wing spin (”she was a third rate analyst”) has been so effective, I don’t know.
TRex, drummers always keep you waiting.
While you’re answering Phoenix Woman’s questions… Do you know Pylon? “Chomp” is a great album.
(What is this “TV” thing that everyone seems to refer to over and over and over and over again and again and again and again?)
Remember that contest about an indictment of whom and when?
Y’ALL don’t forget that on…
May 8th, 2006 at 11:49 pm, #219, I said the following:
Warning: I have temporarily removed the tin foil from around my head (which keeps those damn voices from constantly talking to me.
Wishfully thinking…
By July 17th [20??], Carl, George, Dick, and all of Congress for treason.
Note: Tin foil fitted back over most of my head… Though, with some holes (that being in the tin foil and my head).
I may not get that book, or whatever the contest was all about, but it is as it is, and very well might be:)
Note: I am fully aware that I forgot to specify the year in the original post. Y’ALL will have to trust me; I’ve never lied to Y’ALL before:)
Dang Trex! I know your many fans here at FDL are pulling for you to get out of the house tonight. Can you just go somewhere fun and see if they call? I assume you have a cell phone.
Really, she couldn’t have been more amazing today. She’s my new girl-crush, that Valerie.