
(Photo of Fred Hiatt via Washington Life.)
In the annals of the fact challenged, today's editorial in the Washington Post juxtaposed against an editorial done by the Guardian UK is a study in contrasts. It's enough to give a reader whiplash to go from "Lies About Crimes" to Fred Hiatt's factually inaccurate Cheney apologia on the ComPost editorial page.
Rather than pick my way through the deliberately obtuse obfuscations in Hiatt's spurious bilge, allow me to present the Guardian UK's take:
For two main reasons. The first concerns the ethics of the administration of which Mr Libby, as top aide to Dick Cheney, was such a senior member. George Bush came to the White House in January 2001 pledging to "change the atmosphere in Washington DC". By this he apparently meant two things: one, that he would govern in a dignified and rule-respecting way that supposedly contrasted with that of Bill Clinton; and, two, that he would try to end the intense partisan bitterness that had marked the Washington of the Clinton era. The Libby case is prosecution exhibit number one in support of the charge that Mr Bush never attempted to do any such thing. On the contrary. The Bush administration has been ruthlessly partisan, fuelled by enmities worthy of the Nixon era. The outing of Ms Plame was a criminal act against the wife of an administration critic. Mr Libby lied about it. He presumably did it to protect Mr Cheney, who wanted to punish the Wilsons. Mr Libby's conviction therefore raises very direct questions about Mr Cheney's own position.The second reason is because, at bottom, Mr Libby's lies concerned Iraq. The administration wanted to invade Iraq. Mr Cheney, and through him Mr Libby, was not particular about how to do it. When Mr Wilson publicly questioned the weapons of mass destruction case for war he therefore made himself a Cheney enemy. As a consequence, the White House took its revenge on him through his wife. Mr Libby lied to protect not just his boss but his boss's unjust war. That's why yesterday's verdict matters. This affair is not over yet - not by a long chalk. (emphasis mine)
The fact that a British newspaper can see the broader political and ethical issues more clearly than their American counterparts is not surprising. Looking afar at the machinations of the Bush Administration and how it has clawed its way through the upper echelons of the Blair government has become something of a journalistic sport in the UK.
But the fact that an American newspaper, located in the nation's capitol, which made its journalistic bones twenty times over only a few short decades ago digging into the meat of a scandal that shook the very foundations of power -- a newspaper which now has an editorial page that begs at the knees of Dick Cheney's sycophants like just another lap dog hoping for a few, paltry scraps?
Now THAT is appalling. And quite sad.
I may have to go back through the factual inaccuracies in the Hiatt mess at some point today, because they are so glaring, so easily fact-checked, and thus so deliberately plopped into the editorial like too many currents in a moldy, old scone, that someone tossed Fred Hiatt's way over the facsimile transom.
But it will have to wait for more coffee and a bit of rumination. For some reason, this morning, the privileged hand of Donald Graham on the editorial page seems to have left a very large thumbprint.
(H/T to DeWitt Grey for the link to the Guardian piece.)
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Peanut!
ultra fitz?
ooh so close.
Christy!
Plamehouse!
EPU’d from last thread:
Biodun @ 234
EPU’d ~ ThinkProgress on TWP editorial: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/.....ial-libby/
congrats to all at firedoglake for theunsurpassed coverage of justice in action. you set a new standard. you is rockstars.
Yesterday’s editorial by Andrew Cohen in the WaPo was the only piece I’ve seen that acknowledges the role of newspaper reporting in covering up administration lies rather than exposing them. It was up for a few hours on the front page and then was relegated to who-knows-where. The WaPo can no longer be considered a fair and viable news source, in spite of the few good writers who remain on its staff, IMO.
epu from down one flight
Christy, we need a roots project and we need it fast
we need to get the members of congress to specifically request fitzgeral’s findings and for him to testify before their body
this MUST be done before his findings are declared “classified” by the criminals involved in the treason before this country
please have contact with jane to see orchestrate what needs to be done as soon as possible
WHAT FITZGERALD HAS DISCOVERED MUST NOT BE LOST FOREVER
we must hold to account the people that have done this to our country
he has already told us he is not going to indict anyone else, he is leaving further action to congress
we MUST get congress to perform that to which we elected them
Hiatt is an alumnus of the FAR Right Washington Star paper. He would be just at home as the editor of the Moonie times.
I would not take anything he says too seriously. Add to that the presence Of Bob “Junk Yard Dog” Woodward and there you have it. The blind leading the lame.
Ridicule is the best option for this mendacious piece. Why else did they give space for the lies of Toensing and York while the jury was deliberating.
The WaPo Editorial Board is as ossified as the rest of the Pundit Class inside the Belt Way. They are being dragged kicking and screaming to oppose the Iraq War (which they fully endorsed) by the far more intelligent general public. One more Friedman to go.
As usual, everything that ever happens is good for Republicans. The Libby conviction rendering a top level Bush official into an officially convicted felon is good for the Republicans.
The erectiley dysfunctional and self-avowed water-carrier for the Bush/Coulter Republican Party, Rush Limbaugh introduces us to a new and creepy term.
Poking the bear.
In light of Scooter Libby’s fictional fantasies this is quite the repulsive term of art.
-GSD
Hat tip to Digby for highlighting this.
EPUed:
As for the WaPo editorial, I’m not even remotely surprised. They’ve been carrying water for a while. Remember “A Good Leak”? What was surprising was that it just seemed to be a hodgepodge of old (and unedited) right-wing talking points.
1. “A bipartisan investigation by the Senate intelligence committee subsequently established that all of these claims [by Wilson] were false — and that Mr. Wilson was recommended for the Niger trip by Ms. Plame, his wife.” Really? Because when I looked at that report, that section was at the end, and it was only signed by some (not even all of them, for crying out loud) of the Republicans on the committee. That’s not a “bipartisan investigation”. That’s “a set of right-wing talking points that even some Republican Senators weren’t willing to sign off on.”
2. “When this fact, along with Ms. Plame’s name, was disclosed in a column by Robert D. Novak, Mr. Wilson advanced yet another sensational charge: that his wife was a covert CIA operative and that senior White House officials had orchestrated the leak of her name to destroy her career and thus punish Mr. Wilson.” I don’t know that Wilson has EVER claimed that his wife was covert, and if he has, I’d love to see the quote. Wilson has been VERY careful about his descriptions of his wife’s status. In any case, the leak clearly DID destroy Plame’s career. Is that even in question here?
3. “The partisan furor over this allegation led to the appointment of special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald.” Well, technically this is correct. The “partisan furor” arose when the FBI complained that they suspected that several Republicans were lying to them, and the Republican Attorney General recused himself from the case because of his connection to Republican Karl Rove, and the Republican Deputy Attorney General who took over felt that the case warranted the appointment of a special prosecutor. I suppose that this constitutes “partisan furor”.
4. “The trial has provided convincing evidence that there was no conspiracy to punish Mr. Wilson by leaking Ms. Plame’s identity — and no evidence that she was, in fact, covert.” It did? When did Richard Armitage, Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney take the stand to testify that there was no conspiracy to leak Plame’s identity? There is a world of difference between “no evidence that there was a conspiracy” and “convincing evidence that there was no conspiracy”. The former is true here; the latter is certainly false. As for the “no evidence that [Plame] was…covert”, this is also technically correct. (Assuming, of course, that you don’t consider the fact that Plame worked at CPD as evidence that she was covert.) There was also no evidence that she was NOT covert. This information was deliberately excluded from the trial.
5. “It would have been sensible for Mr. Fitzgerald to end his investigation after learning about Mr. Armitage.” The FBI knew about Armitage BEFORE it asked for a special prosecutor. They STILL felt that enough people were lying to them to complain to the Attorney General. It wasn’t Fitz who pushed this. It was the FBI.
Joe Wilson is a blowhard?
If only he would shut up and let us have our lies and incompetence.
Here’s to Peanut and her dino costume! I hope someday she will be able to recount to future generations the effect of this costume on the history of this Nation!
Hey, great job today on Sam’s show, Christy.
Hiatt’s bilge is nothing new and should be exposed. The Guardian makes a good argument that should be taken up by the few sane talking heads in the MSM.
I am continually amazed that the argument that Cheney went to these lengths to discredit Joe Wilson by outing Valerie Plame rarely explores the fact that the results of her work on Iran’s nuclear efforts ran counter to BushCo’s Iran position. Could that have been the real target of the smear tactics?
Jim
The most vile lie is the Toensing talking point that Valerie Wilson is not covert. EPU’d from the last thread:
Even The Economist has this take on Cheney and the Libby conviction:
Time to call for Bush to fire Rove. He knew from the get-go that Rove and Armitage leaked to Novak.
Does Armitage still work for the govt?
I really don’t get it. Bush’s numbers (and the GOP in general) are so far in the toilet that nothing short of Dubya walking on the Potomac will bring them back, yet the Post and others in the MSM have an almost Stalin-esque fear of upsetting the Chimperor.
GSD @ 12
Well, the Limbaugh Bear needs mucho vi*gra to function!
Let’s start sending out some memes:
Name one thing these clowns have done that hasn’t turned to shit.
Name one thing these clowns have not lied about.
Name one thing these clowns have done that has benefited you.
THE WORST OVAL OFFICE EVER (WOE)
Ol’ Freddy is getting eviscerated at the ComPost comments section. Unfortunately, there have been a few obscenity-laden comments towards him as well. I can’t help but wonder if these are being posted by either repukes or ComPost employees themselves, so that they can point and say, “Look! Rude bloggers!” At any rate Christy, we have to keep pounding at these self-important tools of the right. Truth has a way of making these under-rock dwellers scurry away.
Anyone catch Novak on Charlie Rose last PM? Rose just sitting there letting Novak trivialize the whole matter and his role in it. If your local PBS station carries Rose, it’s time to let them know, and what better time than the current begathon, that Rose is way past his prime. In fact, he has become a destructive force. No preparation, no follow-up–just another propaganda platform.
rizbiz @ 22
I’m still pretty happy about the Federal “Do Not Call” List. So that’s one thing, anyway. Beyond that, I can’t come up with anything.
Dana Milbank in his WaPo column had a different take on Libby’s wife’s reaction to the verdict than elsewhere:
“Libby’s wife, Harriet Grant, was not as composed. In the first row of spectators, she hunched over and shook. A young member of Libby’s defense team put his arm around her shoulders. After judge and jury left, Grant went over to hug her husband with a furious look on her face. Three reporters heard her say what sounded like, “We’re gonna [expletive] ‘em.”"
Who’s she gonna get?
great post Christy
Excellent post, Christy. Again, many thanks to you and all the FDL Team.
However, I am gonna make another pitch for not giving compost a bad name. After all, it has turned steaming piles of horseshit and spewed garbage, not to mention newspaper, into great garden material.
Perhaps ConPost? or NeoConPost?
I think what you are doing with WaPoo is making some great compost. . .for growing the truth.
Anyway, FDL is the BEST EVER. Thanks to all.
Oh. My. God.
Take my advice and go easy on the Fitzgeralds Hammer Of Justice(s).
Man, are they powerful.
Everyone with a hangover, raise your hand so I can pass out the aspirin.
Christy, you guys are on a roll with trex on npr and you on the post in the wake of FDL’s brilliant, best supporting actor role in the trial. Keep up the pressure, the tipping point will come through work and networks like this.
8.2ontherichter @ 24
Charlie Rose is a pathetic excuse for an interviewer. Novak was slobbering in pleasure–look at me, I outed her, good for me! Cooper looked shell-shocked–in the end, he seemed to care more about saving himself than really speaking the truth.
But I thought Jeffrey Toobin did a good job.
Tom @ 20
nothing short of Dubya walking on the Potomac will bring them back
In front of live Faux news cameras, of course.
And in other news, there was a local election in LA yesterday (school boards, mostly). The LA Daily News has a front-page headline:
Voters In A Fever of Apathy
which pretty much sums up both the turnout and the pre-election news coverage. (I voted.)
Libby Trial parallels with Military Tribunals
Joe Wilson made the point repeatedly that Libby was not tried under IIPA either because the law was poorly written as to make it nearly impossible to convict, or more likely that prosecuting would reveal classified information. This is the same argument used by wingers in support of Military Tribunals. This is an irony which needs to be exploited against arguments trying to discredit of the verdict.
countryhousewife @ 26
Donna Comstock and Mary Matalin?
Deacon Blues @
24
I noticed one crudely anti-semetic reference to Libby that I requested to have removed.
I think there is now a cottage industry in wingerville to post vile things and attribute them to the left.
-GSD
fyi– cspan1 has the King of Jordan addressing Congress and speaking of the grotesque injustice done to the Palestianian people.
good news
according to, (my), congressman maurice hinchey, (D-NY22), this morning on sam sedar’s show - he “and others” will be pursuing getting a congressional committee to pick up where fitzgerald left off. he explained it would require the house “leadership” pulling it together & that there were several committee’s already in existence that would be appropriate. watch committee chairpeople closely these next few weeks.
also a shout out to christy - nice job explaining the facts of plame’s outing/libby’s trial in a mini version for consumption by sedar’s listeners.
angie @ 37
thanks angie!
Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday, in early September 2006, on pardoning Libby:
Busted at 30 — I guess I can be ever-so-slightly grateful that The Peanut is not feeling well, because I didn’t even get a glass of wine last night. (Although to be honest, I’ve also never had a hangover…so, there you go.) Sorry you aren’t feeling well — may I suggest a couple of ibuprofins and a LOT of water?
Y’know, the mainstream media reaction to this brings me to mind of Jose Cerrano’s great tagline from “Major League:”
It’s a good thing we have the likes of Marcy, Christy, and Jane to stand up for the truth so we can say “Fuck you, Jobu” to the mainstream media’s errand boys.
GSD @ 35
I made the same request because it was racist hate-speech and also noted that I had no sympathy for Libby.
I stand in awe of FDL. The coverage of Scooter’s trial & everything else for that matter is so exceptional that there aren’t words to adequately commend all of you. I’m also very impressed with those who can keep up with all the threads! Miss one day & it feels like I missed out on the class trip. But then every day is class trip on FDL.
Especially great lines from The Guardian article: “Mr Libby lied to protect not just his boss but his boss’s unjust war. That’s why yesterday’s verdict matters.”
They were all lying to protect themselves from fallout from the unjust war they started (and can’t finish).
Biodun @ 40
is he stuck in the third grade or what?
puerile
I saw the Wapo editorial (through Atrios’s Wanker of the Day) and dropped my jaw at the succession of falsehoods that made their way through Fred Hiatt’s word processor. It seems there is a coordinated wingnut attack on facts (which have, as we know, a pronounced liberal bias), with Hiatt just one of the flag-bearers. The Journal and NY Post call for pardons, and, as per TRex, NPR has on a befuddled ex-employee of good ol’ Scooter who was brilliant, mind like a steel trap, a “shark” - and yet can’t figure out that Scooter was revelling in his role as shark when he led the charge against the impudent Wilsons.
Maybe someone like Marcy or Jane or you, Christy - people (strong women, God bless you!) who not only have strong opinions about Libby & the verdicts, but whose opinions are informed by facts, not by the GOP talking points faerie.
Historically, the press is more likely to grow balls and challenge the president in a difficult economy. So the markets may be the penultimate chicken coming home to roost. With growth curtailed to pay for our debt, elevated long-term interest rates, and a tanking dollar threatening inflation, Bush might get some worthwhile scrutiny from his servile media ass-kissers. It’s clearly becoming a pressure point. There’s been significant online harassment of some pessimistic economic commentators.
Wow.
Didn’t see this article, or the one before it, earlier this morning.
I’m still looking for the words “pointless Washington scandal” (as printed by the Washington Post editors this morning)in the Post’s editorial archives relating to the Clinton impeachment for PERJURY.
When the realization of all the lies was first coming to light 2 to 3 years ago, I was hopeful that the media was going to go back to the old ways of being accountable and reliable. That they were going to start cleaning up their messes and get back on track. Here we are now with 3 additional years of even more knowledge of all the lies and coverups and it’s still going on. And ditto for the congress.
That tells me one big thing. Nothing is changing and nothing will change for the better any time soon because they don’t want it to be better. Only the american public wants it to be better and we need to have an entirely new method to make things better.
The old methods; writing to congress, writing to the editors, marching on Washington, will not work. We have to come up with new ways to get the action we want.
It is absolutely pouring the snow down outside here. So glad I made that quick run to the store last night.
Thanks to everyone for the kind comments on the Air America appearance this morning. Sam Seder is always such a great host — love doing his show.
peanutgallery @
31
TRex was on NPR?!?! And I missed it?! Which program? Must look it up immediately.
GSD @ 36
GSD, you’re absolutely on to something. Anonymously contaminating a powerful comment thread with vile antisemitic slurs looks like the only weapon left. Everyone should make trex’s rules of the dignified, understated expression of outrage the hallmark of the community.
Even David Schuster this a.m. on Imus dismissed the Post’s editorial board as fact free.
portia at 52 — I think that is referring to TRex’s late night about a need for response to someone who was on NPR yesterday.
Christy Hardin Smith:
I hate to be importunate, but it’s relevant on this thread.
I’m a D.C. area resident and I, along with a couple of million other like-minded people, am held hostage to the Post. For several years now I have conscientiously written letters to the editor and ombudsman. It is futile; they have only tacked further to the right, and when they deign a response it is in bad faith.
I want to organize some kind of boycott of the Post. I retracted heated and unserious suggestions of other actions made on the last thread. In any case, I had a long justification for boycott vs. argument/persuasion on Scarecrow’s last thread at #179. I don’t post here often and it was, frankly, emotional.
I don’t know how to do this kind of thing but other people here do.
Three major respectable institutions undergird the edifice of warmongering and lawlessness. I think the Post needs to be attacked in its wallet for this reason.
sorry Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
sorry to get your hopes up! maybe soon, though at the rate things are going….
Everyone reading this blog (and any other progressive blog) who has a subscription to the Washington Post should cancel it - post haste. And let them know why it is being cancelled (who wants to pay for a daily dose of wingnut/neocon propaganda).
We can write all the letters we want - Little Debbie, Graham and Hiatt most likely sit around and laugh at them. However low subscription numbers impact the Post where it hurts - their advertisers.
In addition to cancelling subscriptions - perhaps we should also contact those companies that advertise in the paper. It would probably be a hard sell to local merchants to withdraw advertising from the Post (Hechts comes to mind). However perhaps companies like Toyota and others might be open to not doing business with a publication that advocates and supports illegal and unconstitution behavior on the part of public officials.
portia.vz– TRex was not on the air with NPR, but he was chewing on NPR’s butt like only a carnivore can with his late night post. It was a rational rant of beauty.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 51
hope you fed your birdies!
Do you get the Cedar Waxwings down there, they’re funny when they tie one on eating fermented berries.
…didn’t finish last thought: those “respectable institutions” of journalism are the Washington Post, the NYT and the LA Times. Maybe throw in the Wall Street Journal. In any case, the printed press drives the televised interpretation of the news and issues.
lina @ 54
Hey, guys, have we thanked David Shuster for doing a great job for covering this trial for the MSM? His brand of journalism was very well done. He was well informed, detailed and drew some conclusions.
Thanks David. Keep up the good work!
From the BBC on Libby the novelist’s take on lying:
Hilarious.
peanutgallery @ 57
Oh Gawd, I hope so. The attention that FDL is getting over this is making me delirious.
I can’t bring myself to read Hiatt’s bit; it would be like fishing through excrement and I draw the line there.
But the LATimes op-ed linked in last thread is rather interesting:
Oddly correct, and yet downright weird, when you consider who’s on CFR’s current council. WTF?
Hi CHS, remember A Good Leak?
With all we’ve learned, thanks to Patrick Fitzgerald (and Marcy Wheeler and FDL), Fred hasn’t changed a thing. And he really deserves to be called out for it…let’s send Debbie Howell a deluge of complaints.
Frank Probst @13: Excellent smackdown. I go nuts whenever an apologist for all things administration refers to that Senate Intelligence report. Always too lazy to double check, but I’m always certain they’re referring to the parts that the Dem committee members wouldn’t endorse. And the talking heads never ask or make the point.
OT, but thanks to Woodhall Hollow for mentioning Denis Collins’ (the Libby juror) piece on Huffington Post in the last thread. Was too busy reading it to get back to the old thread in time. He’s a good writer and storyteller…the two don’t always come in hand-in-hand. Think those folks yammering on about a “confused jury” should clear their own heads by reading Mr. Collins’ account.
brendan @ 56
Agreed–but I can’t help much, since I don’t buy the PostIt anyway; not much there to boycott. And my congratulations on the maturity required to reverse course on your earlier hotheadedness and come to a more reasoned way to address the problem.
(breathes long sigh) I’ve just gotta say that it would not surprise me if Bush/Cheney&Company really did expect to “find” WMDs in Iraq, even if they had to plant the evidence themselves.
Maybe the Wilson’s knew about this effort and that made them even more dangerous.
Maybe someday we will get to the bottom of this.
Maybe.
Gromit @ 59
Alas, I fell asleep last night with my Treo in my hand as I was reading it. Must catch up.
Frum, Frum, Frum.
“The Daily Show and now Steven Colbert have taught a generation of college students that Republicans are ridiculous, absurd, hopelessly past it. And their work has had an effect: today’s 20-somethings are more Democratic than any equivalent cohort since World War II.”
The all encompassing power of a small cable comedy channel that airs at 11:00 at night.
It has nothing to do with Bush, Cheney, Delay, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Fox Noise, Duke Cunningham, Jean Schmidt, Mark Foley, Coulter or any of the other human parodies on the right. Nope it is all Comedy Central’s fault.
The Republican right has become so pathetic as to almost evoke sympathy.
Did The Daily Show ruin a generation back in the 90’s when it was lampooning Bill Clinton and his runaway penis?
-GSD
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 66
Oh it’s been so long since I’ve written to my friend Debbie.
Busted @ 30
You forgot the pillows??
I celebrated with Irish Breakfast tea, spiked with a small amount of Jameson’s (there’s just enough left for St Pat’s). No hangover. Well, only a very small one.
brendan @ 56
Brendan,
A boycott is a temporary thing, designed to get them to do or stop doing something. I think these guys are past the boycott stage and that assumptions about the clout that readers or even advertisers have are based on how a real Fifth Estate behaves. The MSM doesn’t work that way anymore.
Write your letters and cancel your subscriptions, of course, and tell your friends and anyone who will listen why they shoould do the same. As to organizing a concerted action — we are Democrats, we don’t march to anyone’s tune. But we will one by one stop buying the WaPo. And we will, one by one, start finding the truth whereever it is.
Now, if you can show that you have been harmed by the deliberate falsehoods of a person (corporate or otherwise), isn’t that grounds for a civil suit? Lied into an expensive war, trillions in debt, hundreds of thousands dead — sounds like harm to me.
Tim Russert told Meredith Vieira on the Today Show this morning that he’s glad the trial is over. As if anyone cares what he thinks or how he feels. His every appearance on air since the trial is tainted and strained.
Something else: As a convicted felon, Libby is forever ejected from the US electorate, unless he wins on appeal, an unlikely proposition, IMHO.
gaspard @ 69
I’m going to go out on a limb here. I think that Bush/Cheney cynically believed that there were ’some’ WMDs in Iraq that the inspectors wouldn’t have found. They probably thought that they would stumble on them eventually after they invaded. And for a while, it looked like every little thing they found was held up as an example of WMDs only to be nothing upon further investigation.
Still, it was not a good reason to invade. There was no way Iraq could deliver the WMDs to the US to make use of them. Anyone who believed in missiles and unmanned arial device systems was smokin’ too much dope. It was not a credible scenario.
And they turned out to be totally wrong in the end about their existence anyway.
EvilDrPuma:
Thanks for the response. It is, indeed a local issue. I think a boycott would be perceived as a sharp and unusual rebuke by the paper, though, and any rebuke to the Post has national consequences.
Another thing I’d like to propose as food for thought: breaking the Post into its component parts, propagandists/ideologists versus journalists. I get much of my hard news these days from places like talkingpointsmemo and firedoglake. What would it take to cleave off some of the better reporters from the Post? After all, “pool boy” left the Post for that unread rag “Politico”; why not a campaign to entice someone like Dana Priest away?
brendan @ 56
I think it would be possible. Boycott every Monday (or whatever day of the week) for a month. It would get their attention.
I am waiting for members of the staff to rebel and protest the editorial. Pincus spoke up when his coverage was relegated to page 17 a few years ago. He has the guts.
Hope the peanut is better. You are a super mom, christy
portia.vz @ 62
Portia - I agree. Per my comments on scarecrow’s thread - although it is frustrating to see the wingnut/neocons come out of the woodwork throughout this trial (and at its conclusion) to condone BushCo’s illegal and unconstitutional behavior - there was some push back - particularly last night - even from some unexpected quarters like Bob Schiefer and Howard Fineman.
Bob Schuster has been one of the few rays of hope the past few years - as has Olbermann and some others. He deserves all the praise we can give him.
rizbiz @ 23
You mean Oafal Office…
I just wrote to the WP ombudsman and asked what the point of the job of ombudsman is, if glaring, bald-faced lies aren’t corrected. In other words, to remain silent about so heinously lying to readers, you and your job as ombudsman are a sad joke, by definition.
By the way, just sent this to the NPR Ombudsman about last night’s NPR fiasco:
Mind you, the last NPR ombudman column was last November, so I’m not holding my breath…
GSD @ 71
It is well known that reality has a liberal bias.
Even crusty old Pat Lang, nobody’s lilting liberal, wrote off the WaPo a while ago after reading an opinion piece about Lebanon:
“. . .Based on this editorial as ‘capstone’ for many other recent pronouncements, I judge the editorial page of the Washington Post to be a neocon rag.”
Pat Lang
http://turcopolier.typepad.com.....at_wa.html
Biodun 2 75
As a convicted felon, Libby is forever ejected from the US electorate
I understand this depends on the state. Some allow voting after completion of the sentence. Permanent disbarment sounds good, though.
Damn Baby! You are firin’ on all cylinders this morning. It’s music to my ears! I love your prose when you get rockin’ like this, but even more, I love the very idea that you’re going to be focusing your energy and considerable talent on debunking the spurious bilge. The world is a better place for having folks like you in it. Suddenly, I smell CHS ripping Fred Hiatt a new one…smells like…VICTORY!
HotFlash:
Points taken, but I’m writing at this site to get ideas on how the logistics of such a boycott would work. They don’t get a hundred readers cancelling their subscriptions en mass that often; I think they would notice.
Right On! Christy. Right On!
The Washington Post is WASHED-UP. The WASHED-UP POST. It has been for a while. Thanks for putting FDL’s stature behind efforts to set the record straight.
And, thanks for doing Good ‘Ole Fashioned compare-and-contrast analysis on the bogus, sophist, writing which gets done these days.
The CRIMES… and they ARE CRIMES.. of The Washed-Up Post … The New York Times..and CNN… FOX etc. MUST be addressed from EVERY ANGLE, by everyone.
These “Media News Enterprises”… are mammoth, institutional propaganda & insurrection organs. Propaganda against the Public is illegal, in and of itself. Insurrection, is a Constitutionally Cited Phenomena– An Act of Aggression.
MEDIA OP’s, are also a WEAPON of WAR! And in these times when “Everything is Different Now,” and a time when “The Homeland is a Battlefield…. ” well…
…. well THESE ARE THE TIMES… That Try Men’s Souls.. and require that we OUT these Editors and Writers, and Investors and Advertisers… who are USING MILITARY GRADE OPS– MEDIA WEAPONS and PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE US PUBLIC. Thanks again Christy!
And we MUST, as a matter of course, do the Point-by-Point rebut of ALL arguments presented in the Public Debate.
And we MUST continue to MAKE forums like FDL and other Blogs– THE PLACE where THINKING, CARING Citizens and Readers go to get TRUE EDITORIALS and ANALYTIC SCRUTINY.
BRAVO! FDL. Restore The Bill of Rights. Now!
mustang:
I’m a subscriber too, and a frequent correspondent with dear Deborah. Please see my previous posts, such as at #56, and, particularly, the one at #179 on Scarecrow’s last thread.
My NPR letter re the Goure commentary on ATC:
Driving between locations on my job this afternoon, I caught Dan Goure’s commentary regarding the Libby verdict on ATC. I had to hear it again tonight when I got home, on my laptop, to make sure what I thought I heard earlier was correct. It was.
When friends get in trouble, we tend to reach out, sometimes irrationally. That is what Mr. Goure did on your dime. Maybe the next time somebody from the Lexington Foundation has a friend get a DWI, you can get another one of their “fellows” to help us see the injustice in that too. If nobody in your editors’ room realizes how important the Libby trial and verdict are, I feel your show has lost any sense of perspective.
I can tune over to my AM dial to hear such uninformed people being passed off as authoritative all day long. More and more, I hear shoddy commentaries like Mr. Goure’s on ATC. Is this the new direction of journalism at NPR, or did somebody just mess up?
Mutant Poodle @ 82
I heard Jane on Rachel Maddow last night. Fine as she is to look at, she does give excellent radio, too. More of Jane and Marcy in the media is a good thing for America. Tell everybody!
Libby Schmibby!
Fox News is reporting that OJ may be the father of Anna Nicole’s baby.
Why does Firedoglake hate America?
-GSD
portia.vz @ 76
Live and learn…there will be a test.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.....Associates
http://www.rense.com/general68/plamene.htm