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Hey there, MI girl here--a little bit better prepared for the cold day out there than CA girl Jane.
I gotta say you, it was a pretty cool scene with Fitz and his team walking out of the court room. It made you believe, at least for this day, there was justice. I'm pretty happy about the events of the day. I'm relieved, more than anything else.
Fitz was his typical self, not saying more than he could. He will not do a report. Will not file further charges unless something new comes up. He will not give his materials to Congress unless they ask for it (Hey, John Conyers! Did you hear that?) He would not comment on a pardon. He said that if Libby wanted to plea, he would treat him like any other defendant. Which sounds like, if Libby really expects a pardon, the firewall will have worked.
Fitzgerald expressed both satisfaction and sadness. Which I guess is about right. Satisfaction with the verdict. Sadness that it came to this.
Some more notes from Dennis Colins. It sounded like there was a lot of regret on the part of the jury. They sympathized with Libby. None of them (Dennis is the journalist--and not even him) knew what Libby did. And they were wondering why Rove wasn't there, why Ari wasn't there, why Armitage. In short--Wells' attempt to nullify the jury might have worked. And they even wondered, with Wells' statements, where Bush would have testified.
I asked him what he--as a former journalist--thought about the journalists testifying. He didn't answer it that directly. He did say that he thought Ari was reasonably credible, even though he was Mr. Slick. They asked, apparently, why else he would talk about how many journalists didnt' take him seriously. They said the parade of journalists didn't have much effect--they didn't say anything controversial. He said they actually had sympathy for Judy Miller, because she got badgered so much by Wells. Huh. Go figure.
They were not impressed by the GJ testimony. They said Libby sounded polite and nice on the testimony. Maybe it would have helped them some of Libby had testified. Then of course, maybe not.
Most of all, though, it sounds like they were a methodical jury working narrowly within the scope of the trial. He seemed very aware that he was only seeing the very edges of what was going on--not the controversy behind it. He talked a lot about how the people on this jury were managers in their day jobs (thus all the post-its and so forth). And it really seemed that--in spite of all the things that might have gone wrong--they just approached the matter at hand, deciding whether Scooter Libby had lied to the FBI and the Grand Jury.
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Oh yeah - yeah for post-its, managers, and taking the process seriously.
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thanks emptywheel… I’ve thoroughly enjoyed your reporting
good work
Libby, it’s been good to know ya.
EW, I asked earlier, but the pace was such that I don’t think anyone read the question - Was/is there a sealed indictment “Secret v. Secret”? or was that just a joke/rumor?
Jane just on Thom Hartman’s national show!
Great job Marcy!
The juror interview was stellar … he definitely tossed this all back in the right laps.
So Congress - catch?
Here’s a youtube clip in honor of Scooter’s upcoming sentencing hearing:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DafpaoyT0l8
LOL
Thanks again.
The first part of this hour of talk of the nation (2 pm eastern time) will be Dana Priest and Ann Hull on their series of articles.
But the second part will be on Libby. I imagine there will be a post about it on their new blog
http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk/index.html
The show will also be archived later today at
http://www.npr.org/templates/r.....hp?prgId=5
Marcy, thanks for sharing your incisive mind and clear writing here at the Lake.
You rawk.
Le Fitz, c’est chic!
There is a god! And she’s Marcy!
Congress - Catch? Before November I knew my messages to my congresscritters wouldn’t matter because they are all rethugs. After November, my messages still don’t matter, but in a different way. I love basking in their powerlessness.
MSNBC: Joe Wilson will be on Countdown With Keith Olbermann tonight.
VERY disappointed that Fitz is apparently tying things off here, without working is way up the food chain to the real culprit(s).
TOTN sez Libby verdict up first.
On now.
So, I’m back from my pilates class.
Did I miss anything?
Actually TOTN is talking about Libby now with their media reporter.
Finally justice begins in America!
Hey Congress, why don’t you ask Patrick Fitzgerald for ALL his information?
Now we can finally let the truth out!
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Thanks so much for all you’ve done, Marcy! I’m reading, and loving, your book.
Good on ya!
Jeralyn Merritt is doing an online chat on the washington post’s website right now.
Wonderful job FDL, it was almost like being there, but for me, I hate to think it is over. Yes, a guilty verdict was the right one in my view, but now that Libby has been found guilty of obstructing justice, what about the justice he obstructed? His lies were just, as Fitz said, “sand in the eyes of justice” and the nation needs to now move on to the REAL criminals, or should I say, the bigger fish.
If this is it, it will be a real disappointment and only a pretense of justice. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out in the next little while.
Maybe Fitz can’t think about beyond Libby, because he now has to cut the arrogant Conrad Black down to size, another big job. As a Canadian I certainly am hoping that Fitz is as successful with Laird “bloody” Black.
Hey,
I quoted you guys in my post about the Libby oonviction. Thanks for the tip!
Thanks again, Marcy. You and the rest of the FDL crew, but especially you, broke some serious new ground in citizen journalism.
He will not give his materials to Congress unless they ask for it (Hey, John Conyers! Did you hear that?)
That’s not what I heard. I heard him say they would do the appropriate thing. As special counsel, he is ‘in-house’ What would happen is that the AG and others, including, as applicable, WH and OVP counsel, possibly CIA Counsel etc., would step in at that point and raise all kinds of privilege and related issues. Fitzgerald would step back and let Congress and the appropriate party’s duke it out, but he is not able to make the call on his own if the AG’s office or Executive claims privilege (he’s the Exec’s lawyer, he can’t waive the Exec’s privilege for them).
He would be in shoes similar to an interpleader, except that he would and does also have some freestanding obligations to the Exec as a member of DOJ. So Conyers can subpeona, but Fitzgerald won’t be making the decision on what gets handed over and what doesn’t - that will involve a lot of others. And if he did make the decision, he would have to exercise discretion to protect the Exec’s privilege.
We needed, and still need, independent counsel. Special prosecutors for matters like this are far too hogtied and circumscribed to really do justice to the wide sweep of lawbreaking.
To be honest, with Fleischer, Rove and Armitage walking, and Fleischer likely also lieing on the stand as Fitzgerald’s witness about the Pincus situation, I feel a little sorry for Libby too. Not a lot sorry, just a little - bc he doesn’t come across as the sleaziest of the gang of sleaze, just the one who got caught.
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Did anyone ask Juror why only 11 Valentine Day Tee shirts were worn??
Tweety on MSNBC, top of the 2:00 hour:
Tweety calls this like the Alger Hiss case???
But he does frame it as a “attacking the critics of the war.”
“I don’t know how the chief hawk in the Admin [Cheney] can walk away from this.”
Tweety then points out that Cheney was intimately involved with Libby in the planning & execution of the slamming of critics.
“If there’s a pardon, there’s gonna be a big smell to it. So I think there’s gonna be a lot of noise about ‘no pardon.’ If there’s a pardon, it obstructs further investigation.”
Then goes to Melanie Sloan. [I didn’t know she was lead counsel for Wilsons. Just knew her from CREW.]
Back to Tweety: “There are now serious questions about how/why we got into this war.” [Uh, “DUH!!!!”] Some more “me, me, ME”.
“This is only the beginning. When are we gonna get some answers.”
Unfortunately, at 10 past the hour they switch to some guy who killed dismembered his wife. Clearly lying to get us into a war, and attacking the critics of your lying is not as “sexy” as dead blondes.
For us “oldsters,” this brings back the phrase “Wallowing in Watergate.” Someone, put together a new, alliterative phrase for this!!
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I shared the news with my very conservative pilates teacher, who has a husband serving in the Middle East right now, wondering about her reaction.
“He lied to the FBI and the grand jury!” she
said. “No one can do that!”
Left and right meet at the point of truth and justice.
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Wells knew his client was sooooo guilty. The task at hand then was to discombobulate the jury, but even $8million won’t get your client off if you’ve got essentially nothing to work with, which of course is what Wells had.
Cheney testifying? Too risky for Whitehouse — exposing Cheney as orchestrator for outing Plame. Better to hope for hung jury/mistrial/aquittal.
Too bad, so sad. Libby guilty=Libby lied to Cover His Ass and his boss’s too.
Look out Iran: diversionary Damage Control a’comin.
Too funny, Pat_AlexVA is taking pictures of Prettyman Courthouse before he takes Jane and Marcy back to Plame House.
They’re breaking set and wrapping up, gang.
The appropriate thing is to make amotion under Federal Rule of Crimainl Procedure 6(g). That the information from the GJ is needed for some other proceeding.
Fitz is an expert of 6(g) applications.He has done them succesfully before and litgated the issue through appellate review.
John Conyers, ask him to make a 6(g) motion.
Here’s some praise from a Buckeye for the Michigan girl — and let that be a sign that Peace on Earth is possible.
Well done, Marcy, you’ve done an outstanding job making this case accessible to all of us. And there’s still a lot left to do, I’m looking forward to the second act.
Mauimom - I noticed that they love this dismemberment story, too, but the wife was a brunette, according to all her photos. Go figure.
Pat Buchanan calling for a congressional investigation on how we got into the Iraq war.
Good work, emptywheel.
SparksNV at 30:
I swear, I have always thought that it could very well be that the juror just forgot. I think about times when we have some sort of costume day at work, and I forget. Didn’t mean anything other than it didn’t come to mind when I got dressed for the day.
Granted, if they brought the shirts in that day and the jurors put them on over their day clothes…. then I dunno.
Huh. Scooter hasn’t updated his website with the news yet.
Marcy, will there be a second edition?
Is there going to be a Politics TV wrap-up this evening? Marcy & Jane with bubbly in their hands!
C-SPAN 2 will show events @ Prettyman Courthouse. Fitz, Wells, juror Colins, and ‘Clucksters’ offical reaction. Pre-empted, for Lieberliar on Senate Floor.
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Marcie, did you give the juror a copy of your book?
Will there be a sentencing hearing coming soon? Now that its over is Scooter going to Disney World?
Scooter Libby, Felon.
It’s not over yet. The ripples will be waves tomorrow. I want congress to feel the pressure - And those on the right are correct: This trial was just on the lying , not the actual crime. They are correct, and I want to add : That means that our job is not done yet! That means this case should not be INACTIVE or CLOSED.
Listen closely to Fitzgerald. Listen closely to the Juror. It will require more than them to get this case active again. Congress needs to know they hold the power to investigate further. As Norske says,
KEEP FIRING AND PASS THE AMMUNITION
I’ll bite, what’s a 6(g) motion?
[typing up fax to Conyers’ office about 6(g)…]
Dear FIREPUPS and all the FireDogLake content posters,Mr Fitz tells us his work is done. He did a great job.
If I remember my civics classes, it is Congress that must investigate and draw up an indictment (impeachment) if an elected white house official is suspected of breaking the law. Having followed this case for so long, did anyone else get the idea that Dick Cheney was the brains behind this effort to discredit Wilson in a sustained effort, to find out who sent him, to identify Wilson’s wife as a CIA agent, and to leak this CLASSIFIED information to the press?
As citizens, how do we best accelerate the momentum of this verdict (about lying and obstruction) and this crime (about leaking classified info) ? Like rubberstamp congress, the most effective idea will be the one that makes the loudest statement. Jane? Marcy? Trex? Scarecrow? Peterr? Firepups?
Gnome at 39:
Oh my god, did they find the head??
/morbidity. Sorry, couldn’t resist!
Just wanted to say great job to the whole FDL gang.
EPU’d from last thread, with emendations:
Re: pardons:
Yes, As Marc Rich’s lawyer, Scooter convinced Clinton to pardon Rich. Which then pissed off David Geffen because Geffen wanted Clinton to pardon Geffen’s friend Leonard Peltier. Geffen’s friendship with Clinton soured because of this. Geffen then dumps on Hillary. And now Scooter himself might be pardoned. Round robins all in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles.
Congratulations on your coverage for the past several years!!!!
It’s not surprising that the jury wondered about Rove’s role, since Wells’ opening-argument headfake was so dramatic in raising the question.
Given that he and Libby were the two people McClellan “protected,” it’s natural the jurors would wonder what Rove had done.
But IMO, a bit part of the reason Rove wasn’t prosecuted is that this was Scooter’s (and Shooter’s) show.
Thank you so much, Marcy, for all your good work. C-SPAN radio is just now playing Denis Collins presser. I can’t WAIT for the Wilson’s civil suit to come to trial. I’m just afraid it will happen too late to bring down this Administration.
Marcy,
What is your take on Fitz’s claim that the case is now inactive. From what I took from his initial statements way back when Scooter was indicted, he couldn’t go foreward without understanding if Libby was a liar or not.
Seems to me that it has been established.
Do you think this is a lure for Libby to make an offer in hopes of clemency?
Otherwise I don’t understand why this was so important and now there is nothing more to be done.
Can you clarify this: “None of them (Dennis is the journalist–and not even him) knew what Libby did.”
Did they not know who he was prior to the trial? Was it that they didn’t know as much as Libby? Or were they unable to decide what he had actually done? I’m a mite confused.
I noted the juror said the jury liked the woman who was dismissed and that she was sad to leave. Maybe we’ll eventually hear her story.
Call the Diane Rehms show “Anatomy of Deceit”
epu;
ok guys, this is FAR from over…we have GOT to get pressure to put the vice president under investigation
we have GOT to FORCE them to discontinue the effort, we’ve got to make them play their fascist hand
we have got to do more then convict irving, we need to get this done before more damage is done by these fascist morons
WELL THEY BETTER!!..not only conyers, EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT they BETTER get every single stitich of information, even to the point of asking fitz to testigy before them about things that did not make it into the record
and they better do it BEFORE the administration secretyly classifies the data!!!!
egregious @ 19:
Nah. As King George III allegedly wrote in his diary on July 4, 1776:
“Nothing important happened today.”
Seems like a good day to call our reps and ask when they are going to investigate Cheney for outing Plame …
The FDL team really deserves all the kudos on their hard work and intensive coverage of this story from the beginning and especially the trial. It is very rewarding to have been part of the mix here and to have been able to contribute a little to the effort. Thanks guys, well done.
To Ambassador and Mrs. Wilson: You are vindicated. I can’t tell you how pleased I am. I will continue to hit the donate button for your legal fund. Get em!
Great job by the FDL crew! You all should be very proud of yourselves.
Siun, you are absolutely right. We need to catch this lightning in the bottle and use it to begin investigations on capital hill.
Folks from the DemocraticUnderground give FDL a thanks and shout-out:here.
I suppose, like others, my sense of victory and vindication is tainted and diluted with a feeling of disappointment that this may be as far as it goes.
Telling is the juror’s comment asking what about Rove? What about the others?
If, as it has been pretty well established, Plame was covert and her status classified, then isn’t there some underlying crime here?
Is it all up to Congress?
Hasn’t some law been broken? Wasn’t there, as it seems obvious now, some underlying conspiracy?
Right now, I have more questions than answers.
Biodun @ 57, I read some time ago that Israel entered into Clinton’s pardon of Marc Rich.
marcy you are my hero. from the beginning if I ever needed to understand how the pieces fit in place I went to emptywheel, usually on the next hurrah, to see what you had to say. your words would inform, and in you i placed my trust, and you delivered magnificantly. thank you!!
I’m calling Heather Wilson, like that will do a dan thing. I hate her.
ROFL…go take a look at the comments over on littlegreenfootballs…classic!
LHP — correct me if this isn’t the right link for 6(g) explainer.
Scroll down as necessary.
Neil is right. The next step is to impeach Cheney and only congress can do that.
From Toronto, Canada:
tremendous thanks and appreciation to the FDL Team for your incredible expertise, vigilance, focus and courage.
And so the aspens turn …
If they’re joined at the roots and one gets uprooted, it seems there’s a chance the whole forest could fall.
If the willowy Tweety and conservative pri*k Pat Buchannon are already pounding this - maybe Congress will get a clue and do what needs to be done. This trial was a stepping stone. Let’s Roll!
Does anyone except Scoot, Turd and Deadeye REALLY know what “Libby did.”
He has (had) numerous titles, and each of them meant he was going to fall on his sword.
Congrats, Marcy.
Thank you FDL!
blah, blah, blah
cry me a river.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cia_leak_trial
Can you imagine being Scooter and sitting down this evening with the kiddos?
Does he have a conscience?
What ever happened to the days when it was not unusual for a person to ADMIT his crimes? And did what was right to expedite justice and SPARE the people, the system, those adversely afflicted by the crimes from having to wait for justice?
Scotter needs to come clean. We should create a major national buzz to plead for Scooter to do the right thing (no appeal and giving Fitz that new info to proceed). Ugh.
Tom - LGFer’s must be going out their minds.
One wonders how much more hateful these haters will get.
Wow, the stock market was doing okay before the verdict - it’s been going up steadily ever since. I guess Wall Street likes a verdict that might limit the VPs power. Nice.
Pat Buchanan wants congressional investigation on how we got into the Iraq War? Now BushCo have no friends left. Buchanan has been camping at MSNBC 24/7 for sometime now as an “MSNBC Special Analyst.” That’s now his full-time job, even on weekends.
Great work Rayne. I hope Conyers or others pursue it.
I still think that a call to action by concerned citizens (FDL, dailyKOS,etc) might focus the attention of out elected leaders on this issue of whether Cheney broke the law. Ideas, anyone?
Cathy @ 79,
Yep. I’d say from here on out, it’s up to the political system to take over and establish accountability by challenging Cheney’s role.
I’m not sure there is public support for impeachment … yet. But that’s what hearings should be for. Get everything out in the open, and voters may start to realize just how badly they’ve been yanked around.
A 3 (g) motion is made to the judge presiding over a given GJ and says “we need you to unseal the following items of GJ information for use in another case, for use in a civil case, for use in a different investigation (like for instance a Congressional investigation)
PEOPLE Don’t you see what PAt has managed to do?
He avoided the Larry Walsh/Congress is screwing up my investigation by immunizing my witnessess and tainting my GJ evidence problem!
The single biggest obstical(OK other than having Cheney and ABu trying to slime him and drive him crazy) was the possiblity of Congress diving in too early.
By NOT LEAKING and by only letting out a enough drip drip drip to allow FDL and similar venues to keep the story alive and accurate, he did not give out enough to get some ambitious Congress critter interfering, before he was ready to pass the ball to Congress.
He is a rugby player. In rugby you are supposed to run striaght a head until an opponenet (here sovereign immunity) gets in your way and then pass the ball to a team mate who will continue running it toward the goal line.
John Conyers. The ball is headed in your direction. Put your hands out in front of you, and catch the ball!
Morris Sheppard
Don’t worry. Matthews is right. This is a watershed event.
In fact, even if the jury had nullified, which all along I thought was Libby’s only hope, the path to Cheney would be just as clear.
This is, in fact, the worst case scenario. They considered nullification, clearly, because it was obvious that Libby wasn’t the only one who had committed wrongdoing.
The heroes of the day are those 11 people, who, from what Collins said, did their job with care and diligence.
The Wilson’s have a Civil Suit against the VP, Rove, Libby, and Armitage. Melanie Sloan of CREW is their attorney. Does anyone know when the trial is to begin? I’m anxious to see if the VP still has it. That is if he can “bob and weave” in this instance like he did to avoid the draft.
Wil @ 76,
She still needs to hear from all her constituents who pay her salary and whom she represents. I have to call my congressman now.
Thanks Marcy and Jane and all!
OT:
The first comment a LDF after the verdict was:
Bush need to do the right thing and pardon Libby immediately.
looseheadprop@37
I am stuck here at work for another hour whence I will head over to Fitzpatrick’s Hotel (Fitzers) for a drink. Until then, I think I will send some emails and the first one will be to John Conyers, asking him to make a 6(g) motion. Thanks
Impeachment is the next step. I should have told my congress women that when I called! Even if you’re represented by Republicans, I say you call for it anyway. Nothing like swarming both sides of the aisle - We’ll need that swarm for an impeachment to work.
If the Congress does now pick up the ball and start investigating further PLEASE don’t hand out immunity like candy - like you did in the Iran-Contra affair. In the end all that happened there was Ollie got a book contract and radio show. It’s one thing to give somebody a break because they assist an investigation, but when everybody walks and then comes back years later to pull the same crap only worse, NO MORE. Like the title to the Clint Eastwood movie “Hang ‘Em High!
Tom @ 77,
Just peeked over there and yes they are losing it very nicely.
And they are using cuss-words too!! ROTFLMAO!
Sally @ 74:
Yes, Israel did. I suppose Scooter also somewhat represented Israel’s interests by representing Rich.
But Fitzgerald failed to indict anyone for the underlying crime. Libby’s charges pertained only to the investigation itself, not the 1982 act that made it illegal to blow a covert U.S. agent’s cover.
(Story continues below)
The Washington attorney who spearheaded the drafting of that law said the verdict was “inconsistent” with itself. “The verdict is split; it doesn’t make sense,” said Victoria Toensing, although “legally, it doesn’t make any difference.”
She said there are “a lot of other bases for an appeal.”
I don’t like the timing of the senior administration official’s blood clot. We’re at the point where we have to assume it’s a dodge, a way to call off the hounds while the SAO recovers his good health.
BTW, has anyone seen a comment about the case from Cheney’s office yet? I want *every* reporter efforting a response to report directly to us by the end of the day on this success or failure. “No comment” must not be tolerated.
I sure hope so. Thanks for the encouragement.
I just wonder if this Congress has the stones to impeach an apricot.
Inactive only until Libby provides the information needed, I hope.
cathy @ 79
I don’t think Cheney will stay in office long enough to get impeached. There’s a Bush family legacy at stake here and Cheney is the albatross. The path out for Cheney is being cleared more each day.
Those feeling sympathy for Libby and his family should be saving their sympathy for the dead and maimed Americans and Iraqis, and their families, for which Libby and his neocon thugs bear sole responsibility.
angie @ 85:
What else would you expect cutie pie Dana Perino to say?
The appropriate thing is to make amotion under lhp @ 37:
Sorry if this is a dumb question. But wouldn’t the next step be for Fitz to touch base with Team Libby and see if they want to cut a deal and cooperate with the investigation?
It sounds like Fitz is saying the investigation is inactive unless new information comes in. Since Libby is the only likely source for new information, wouldn’t Fitz want that to be settled before Congress starts an investigation and puts a 6(g) in motion?
OTOH, it did sound as if Fitz is inviting Congress to take such an action, so maybe he expects Libby to continue holding out, or believes that Congress can now hold its own investigation on a parallel track without impeding a re-opened investigation should Libby decide to fess up?
LHP, Christy, Litagatormom, any other lawyers with knowledge or experience who want to comment?
Bueller? Anyone?
OT, sorry — but ePluribus Media has a liveblog up at DailyKos covering the House Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law hearing on U.S. Attorneys dismissals right now.
Could use recommends to keep them up on Rec List.
(6) of the (8) known U.S. Attorneys dismissed have been subpoenaed for this hearing. There may be a couple of rather interesting questions (if I managed to make markup this morning…[fingers crossed])
The comments at Little Green Footballs really are hysterical, but so sad, so very sad. Thanks to whoever directed me there.
I just want to say how glad I am that the jury came to a just decision and to thank Firedoglake for keeping this in the forefront -good job - guys!
I think it ought to be naptime at Plame house until it;s time to get ready for the evening talk shows.
Everybody grab a poodle and a pillow.
You get a little rest now that the tension is broken.
You, too, EW. Off to bed.
Oh! Me name Patrick Fitzgerald,
I’m the leader of the band.
Although we’re few in numbers
We’re the finest in the land.
We play at wakes and weddings
And at ev’ry fancy ball,
And when we played Scooter’s funeral
We played the march from Saul.
Oh! The drums go bang,
And the cymbals clang,
And the horns they blaze away;
Randall pumps the old bassoon
While I the pipes do play;
And Hennessey Tennessee tootles the flute,
And the music is somethin’ grand;
A credit to old Ireland is Patrick Fitzgerald’s band.
I just emailed my Congressional Rep and Senators asking for an investigation of Cheney and all those involved in the outing of Valerie Plame. Since two of the three are Republicans, I don’t know how much effect it will have…
This part is true:
Nothing embarrasses this White House. If this White House had any respect for the rule of law, it would be asking for Cheney’s resignation. Even the Nixon White House got Agnew’s resignation.
Great job, you guys. Too bad the servers went down, but you got them back up relatively quickly, and you’ve all been so great, especially Emptywheel, who has done an elephant’s job, and of course, Jane, without whom this all might not have happened (making blog history, that is. Scooter still would have been indicted and found guilty. You guys can’t take credit for that.)
Haven’t finished reading all the comments yet, because by the time I do, there’ll be a new thread. One comment: I watched the thing with Denis Collins and he specified twice: with 1 n, so MSNBC spelled it the way I did just now. Now a question:
How did the jury, who was supposed not to have known anything about politics, know about Rove and Armitage?
I thought I had another question, but I won’t remember it until I hit Submit Comment, so if I could just get an answer to this one now, I’ll be happy.
Marcy,
You must be so relieved and happy that all your hard work has been justified. I hope you can get a good night’s sleep tonight.
Schlaf schoen Schaetzen
The verdict is good; but, there are still some high level officials who committed treason for political payback. It is just a small little drop in the bucket. There was no Firzmas. People who really need to serve big time jail time will most likely get off scott free. What a world.
I just called my NJ senators asking them to please keep the investigation alive. I know I stammered when I spoke and maybe didn’t come across so articulately. I got some good responses and Menendez’s staffer took my info. Both calls ended nicely, with staffers saying they would pass on my comments to their bosses.
If someone might be kind enough to put together some quick talking points so others, like myself, don’t have a hard time making our point it would be really helpful.
Thank you again to Marcy, Jane, Christy, Pach, TRex and EVERYONE else at FDL for all their hard work. Thank you doesn’t even begin to cover the feelings of gratitude but it’s a start.
Cheers and Happy Fitzmas to all!
JGabriel @ 109:
I don’t know what it means, but Fitz asked for time with Wells via the court (as noted by the prescient and perspicacious Marcy)
I don’t think Cheney will stay in office long enough to get impeached. There’s a Bush family legacy at stake here and Cheney is the albatross. The path out for Cheney is being cleared more each day.
Do you really think Cheney cares about the Bush family legacy? It’s been obvious for a long time that, at the very least, Cheney’s operating outside of Bush’s control…and at most is more of a shadow president pulling Georgie-boy’s strings. I just don’t see him resigning because he might hurt the Bush legacy. If fact, I can see him digging in his heels and refusing to budge. And telling Bush and family to go you know what themselves.