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*UPDATE* -- THE LIBBY JURY HAS LEFT THE BUILDING, THE JUDGE HAD A MEETING AND SENT THEM HOME. SEE YOU TOMORROW....and I'll be on Rachel Maddow's show tonight on Air America at 6:30 PM ET -JH
(Photo by REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst via Yahoo. From left to right: Government Attorney Peter Zeidenberg, FBI Agent Deborah Bond, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, and Government Attorney Kathleen Kedian.)
With a half and hour to go before the jury closes up shop for the day, chime in with your favorites. Pach wants to leave the courthouse early and beat the traffic but we're giving him guff and saying he'll hate himself if he does and the jury comes back.
Best thing I've learned today, David Shuster's cold/flu remedy: Tylenol, crackers and Gator Ade. (Pach wants to put Icy Hot on Shuster's earpiece for a laugh, and others want to run down the hall screaming at Fox News that the verdict's in.)
We're getting punchy.
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Jane!
zed !
dang !
Destructomatch!
read every post on libby trial @fdl - (i’m addicted!)
I’m getting tired of… crossing my fingers, listening to accordian tunes and wearing this lucky purple anorak.
Thanks to rocket scientist and raven for the help with the images.
rocket scientist - http://www.michaelyon-online.c.....e-girl.htm this was the one. many thanks!
fzfzfzfzffzfzfzfzfzffz fitz. Sorry for spraying everybody, I was too late anyways.
# 10
follow your son’s flight to Denver on flight tracker.
help jet land in snow flurries.
Oh please let it be soon! I’m home recovering from foot surgery and have waaaay too much time to obsessively check on you! Your work has been fabulous, concise, amusing, informative. Good job all around.
Well, I’ve been saying that if it isn’t today, it’ll be Friday. It’s looking like it’s not today.
Maybe we need a cyber chant, typed/sung only by those of us on line outside the courthouse. An FDL prayer?
The gods/goddesses are obviously playing with us, and we may have to sacrifice one or more rabid lambs in atonement — or at least a troll or two.
The longer that it takes to receive a verdict, is the conventional wisdom that it’s better for the defense than the prosecution?
i.e. closer to a hung jury, or a jury making sure every “I” is dotted and “T” crossed?
#9 - Unselfishly log off FDL to spare the servers for a while please.
#8 - Log back on FDL (sorry)
Two threads? no waiting? Peterr’s thread is live now too.
Don’t do that: the moment they announce it is the cue to start bombing Iran.
Okay, Marcy,
While we’re waiting for your account of meeting and speaking with Patrick Fitzgerald, I have one question: Does he now know that you are the only other person on the face of the earth that probably knows as much about the CIA leak case as he does?
Thank you again for all your hard work, and the wait goes on!
-S
On the one-in-a-million chance that they finish at five on the nose, we’ll get the verdict today, right? Right?!
Strategerie @ 16
Yes, please tell us about it — before your battery runs out!
At this point, with convictions on the first two counts, the only real issue is whether Libby beats count three, before the jury turns to four and five and convicts on those. Then we will have to wait to see whether Walton stays the sentence pending appeal. If he doesn’t, look for Scooter to squeal, as Bush won’t dare pardon him until November 5, 2008
Oo! Got tell Fox Noise that Libby was acquitted! That should be fun.
For Shuster, try Nyquil, DayQuil, Nyquil, Dayquil. And vick’s vaporub.
List or listen to every recorded piece of American music pertaining to breaking the law:
1. I fought the law and the law won;
2. That’s the sound of the men working on the chain-gang;
3. Lawyer Clark (Sleepy John Estes)
4. Vioila Lee Blues (Cannon Jug Stompers)
etc. etc…Ya know, the power of positive thinking
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 15
My dad had pens made for his law practice that said: “Two briars. No waiting.”
briar = from the briar patch = hillbilly
My guess is that they have made up their minds but want to go home and sleep on it before calling it a verdict in the morning. They want to be out of there by noon so they can all go have lunch together and then have a weekend free of the trial.
As for things to do, I’d vote for giving Faux Noise a faux heads up that the verdict is coming and see what happens.
Jane, Some of us imagine who will star in the Movie Version. I think that Uma Thurman could play you. Sam Shepherd would make a great Fitz although he is a tad old.
# 1: Chatting up the special prosecutor in the hallway. Sweet
Dru @ 6
Green! You were supposed to wear the green one!!
mayan @ 22
Add The Authority Song by John Mellencamp
Libby Trial, Day 6:
The day began with a question from the blue-jean clad Jury which the judge didn’t understand. The Jury said, “Whatever.” On other fronts, Marcy forgot her power cord, but struggled on with Jane’s computer. Jane, bedecked in Valentines Day Dress, fishnets and designer shoes met with Fitz and others while eating un-named delicacies handing out Marcy’s book. The power stayed on all day. Blog comments were wide ranging and laced with estrosterone and vaguely acknowledged restlessness.
Nada from the Jury by 4:45 PM.
T minus 15 minutes and counting…
#10 go buy another UPS to replace the one I blew with the space heater today.
#9 Imagine what it is Marcy and Fitz talked about since she’s being coy about it.
Can’t wait to hear all about your talk with Fitz!
Got any jury vibes? I know it’s late in the day, but we’re all hoping! I think it will be this Friday.
I thought FOX News already knows everything? Tell Pach to stifle the urge to help those Fox terrorists. *s*
Top 10:
Stroll down the hall from the media room and look at the Teapot Dome Scandal documents, next to the empty display case. I maintain the empty one is awaiting Libby trial documents.
And if you’re REALLY bored, new shiny at egblog. More about my time with the senator and some insights into Byron York. No, I swear they’re not related. Just a product of an ADHD mind jumping from one topic to another.
I think we could tell Faux News, “Dewey Beats Truman” and they wouldn’t fact-check it.
But, but, but egreg- what green one? I didn’t hear about a green one!
egregious @ 33
Maybe that’s where they’ll enshrine the Aspens letter.
Whatever number: Practice Boy Scout knot technique on laptop power cord
Mason @ 243
There’s a bit more to this. Libby also asserted to the FBI that not only did he say the above to Cooper [Statemade made], but that this conversation supported his position that AT THE TIME he did not “recall” that Wilson’s wife was a CIA employee [content of statement itself].
So he was not only lying about what he [said] to Cooper…he was also lying to the FBI about his knowledge at the time [content].
Thus the juries question
Page 74 of the jury instructions, “Count three of the indictment alleges that Mr. Libby falsely told the FBI on October 14 or November 26, 2003, that during a conversation with M. Cooper of Time Magazine on July 12, 2003, Mr. Libby told Mr. Cooper that reporters were telling the administration that Mr. Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA but that Mr. Libby did not know of this was true. (i.e., is the charge that the statement was made or about theh content of the statement itself)
I think Libby is screwed any way one parses this.
Option 1- If Libby MADE the statement then he is lying to THE FBI about his belief at the TIME he spoke to Cooper that he did not recall Cheney telling him about Valerie Wilson working at the FBI. This is the conclusion whether or not he made the statement to Cooper. He was, in this parsing, only using the conversation with Cooper to support his assertion about “forgetting”. If he didn’t forget…then he lied to the FBI by not saying that he lied to Cooper. Libby was using the Cooper conversation as factual support to his assertion that he “forgot”. This doesn’t require believing Cooper at all.
Option 2) Libby fabricated the details of the conversation with Cooper out of thin air. Again, this would support the assertion that he “forgot”. But if the jurors believe Cooper, then Libby lied to the FBI about the content of the conversation.
Either way, Libby seems to be screwed IF the jurors have already resolved that Libby didn’t “forget” the Cheney conversation.
Spunkmeyer @ 13
I don’t see that a jury that has been out this long will ever acquit on all five counts. The best case scenario for the defense on this case is a jury that hangs on one or more, but not all, counts, and convicts on the others. Time is not the defense’s ally here.
Spunkmeyer @ 13
Not necessarily. I don’t think this has yet passed into the “it’s been going on too long” category, especially when you look at how the “note” question wound up getting resolved by the jurors themselves. It sounds to me like they are working carefully through all the charges, including the various conversations that don’t carry a specific charge, but which Fitz argued are relevant to the various charges…
…She said, genuflecting to a plaster Virgin Mary while crossing herself and fingering her rosary….
#11 - printing maps that the person who did the work should have printed already. Then trying to figure out what’s wrong with the work they did.
Actually, Tylenol, crackers and Gatorade sounds like it might be good for a cold. Fever relief, light food, electrolytes and fluid. (I’d prefer salsa burritos to crackers, but it would require going out to find a microwave.)
Dru @ 35
Damn. Ok who was responsible for sending out the memo on lucky colors?
doodle funny outfits over line drawings of Babs Comstock.
inmymind’s eye @ 7
It’s all so very tragic and sad.
I can’t believe Bush lied the whole world into this hell!
Come on jury! Time to begin to make it right!
egregious @
23
I liked the sign on my lawyers desk.
“Presumption of innocents begins upon receipt of retainer.”
If it takes Pach to go home early to get a vedict, let him go!
For all the latest Libby trial news, legal documents, timelines and other essential materials surrounding the Bush administration’s outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame and its politics of payback against Joseph Wilson, see:
“The CIA Leak/PlameGate Resource Center.”
Tim @
9
Glad to hear I’m not the only person that does this.
Me, I’ve been distracting myself with new books.
Christy, I took your advice and picked up David Coe’s first book (not the one you linked to) and while it does have some “first book” issues, it’s good. I look forward to reading more!
Oh, and work. Yeah, I’m supposed to be doing that, too.
I suspect Marcy would be first to admit that she knows far less about hte case than Fitz. Hey, he knows stuff that ONLY he and his team know. So let’s say, “Marcy probably knows MORE than anyone on da planet except for Team Fitz.
After all, Fitz having aces up his sleeve - isn’t that what we’re all counting on and hoping for?
Jury went home for the day. We’ll see you tomorrow…
Done for the day. sigh…
Me, I’m just listening to Randi Rhodes streaming (that sounds somehow dirty…) and wiring a recording studio.
Thus, I’m making a living while I wait for the Good News.
You know, “Guilty”.
Not the other kind of Good News. Eww.
I got a job!!!!! Finally, I can send my share to the kibble bowl!!!! First paycheck I’m hitting that button up there!
I heart FDL…
Jane Hamsher @ 51
They left early?
I have a couple of pens that say ‘This pen stolen from the law office of…’
(Me, I’m watching the footy.)
cgreen @ 26
Ding ding ding!!!
We have a winner.
Jane Hamsher @ 51
Dang.
Jane Hamsher @ 51
Arrrrrggggghhhhhhh. But at least I don’t have to keep refreshing…as often.
scarecrow @ 12
Oh heck no! No sacrificing rabid lambs.
How about an effigy of something? Something really easy to sculpt with sculpy?
Shopgirlove @
54
Congratulations, Shopgirlove. At least we had some good news today!
Shopgirlove @ 54
Congrats shopgirl!
Yay shopgirllove!
Frank Probst @ 55
Maybe they have to press their verdict clothes.
mayan @ 22
“Lawyers, Guns & Money” Warren Zevon
“Breaking the Law” Judist Priest
I can only wear my lucky underwear so many days in a row.
JPL @ 25
LOVE Sam Shepard and his sexy deep voice!
Perfect!!!!
Frank Probst @ 55
I’m going with “good night’s sleep, verdict in the morning, out by lunch”. It’ll be Jury Suit Watch tomorrow morning.
Shopgirlove @ 54
Congrats, Shopgirlove!
Maybe they left early thinking they can wrap it up fairly early tomorrow. Just one more night to “sleep on it.” (Ughh…must stop speculating….now…)
Will Marcy have a post tonight to tell us something/anything about her chat with Fitz?
Also her lunch companions?
Millineryman @ 64
Hey Jane,
Maybe a jury fashion would be in order. Perhaps they will dress up when there’s a verdict coming…?
Give FDL’s servers a break and go read Jerilyn’s description of the nuts ‘n bolts of the jury’s deliberations.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/2/28/142518/176
Libby trial comments are welcome to continue here, and the Two Georges thread is still going downstairs.
Also, early beer-thirty means more precious minutes for Jane to get herself a new Verdict Day Outfit.
I don’t want to be pessimistic, but are the people on this jury awake and breathing? How long does it take to find an elephant in a 10′x10′ room?
Yea, though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, please deliver us from evil!
I heart every last one of you..thank you!
Oh no! If I have a job how do I follow the verdict? Oh no!
Michael Jones @ 76
Or deliver us from weasel.
I’m recommending that tomorrow the guys wear fishnets. That’ll ge the Jury working…
Mickey @ 79
Or fishheads.
Ouch! Peterr starts a thread about our disappearing rights and his thread disappears. I’m hoping it is the fdl mods who did this, not AbuG’s minions.
I agree with the they left early because they are ready to wrap it up in the morning views. Please…
Shopgirlove @ 77
Congratulations! Do you start immediately?
egregious @ 63
wrong reply but…
I thought my family was the only one to use briar as a hillbilly
Millineryman @ 64
Iron the GUILTY decals onto their verdict sweatshirts……
Shopgirlove @ 53
Shopgirl… congrats! I’m next, send me some karma!
Verdict tomommow, I betcha.
Guilty 4 counts.
It’s my contention that the jury actually finished deliberating this morning after their question was answered, but are waiting til tomorrow to deliver the verdict so that they can all wear their nice clothes. ;)
Here’s a little tempting food for thought from David Shuster..at least I’m lovin’ the way he’s thinking.
Why not be really nasty?! Whisper it furtively, just close enuf to be heard by the right fellas, then dash outside & whip out phones …. or whatever works … ;->
Maybe they’re going to iron patch some diagonal lines over their heart T’s.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 15
Where did Peterr’s thread go?? I just tried to go back to it and it wasn’t there.
logorrhea - I like your contention. Can’t wait to see what they wear tomorrow!
pseudonymous in nc @
68
Hmmm, I wonder if my dentist’ office will accept “must wait on jury” as an excuse to cancel tomorrow morning’s appointment without 24 hours notice.
If not, could ya’ll please not post anything about the verdict before about 2pm? After all, spoilers are impolite!
P J Evans @
41
Brondo’s got what plants crave. It’s got electrolytes.
You can always do my Fitz-Scooter Trial Crossword Puzzle.
WARNING: It is very challenging.
Mickey @ 79
In the thread below, in response to a question about what would be appropriate “Let’s Celebrate!” attire, I signaled my intent to dance around the house in my birthday suit (and to salute the oncoming lunar eclipse at the same time).
No one said anything in response.
So maybe fishnet stockings would be ho-hum, too?
[Of course, my fear is that everyone just let it slip by silently because the image is too horrible to imagine…]
;-)
:-)
Something to ponder while we wait:
The BBC has apparently lost all of its archived footage from Sept 11, 2001.
Two days ago, 9-11 researchers uncovered archive footage that showed the BBC had announced the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 at 5:00 PM EST. The reporter and graphics claimed the building had collapsed.
Only problem, it was still on the Manhattan skyline. The building didn’t actually fall until 5:20 PM EST.
The government claimed it fell due to fires (it was not hit by an airplane). It fell at virtually free-fall speed, about 7 seconds.
How did the BBC know the building would accidentally collapse 20 minutes before it did, unless there was some sort of source that knew it would fall around that time?
This is a smoking gun that 9-11 needs to be reinvestigated and that the conspiracy is much wider than the mainstream media indicated, namely the 19 hijackers.
Video can be viewed here
The BBC has tried to have this pulled from Google and YouTube during the last two days. Why? Why have they claimed to no longer have their original archives?
This is a very big story.
mayan @ 22
All the criminals in their coats and ties
are free to drink martinis and watch the sun rise
while Rubin sits like Buddha in a ten foot cell
an innocent man in a living hell
- that’s the story of the Hurricane
but it won’t be over till they clear his name
and give him back the time he’s done
put in a prison cell but one time he could have been the champion of the world……
-Hurricane
b.dylan
in this case I’d like to see a guy in a suit and tie not clear someone’s name
I don’t know about the fishnets, though I’ll bet Pach has the legs for them.
But you guys really should develop as distinctive look. What the heck does a firedog look like anyway? I’m imagining a hat with floppy ears made of fluttering orange and yellow silk.
Hey! Maybe you can set up a FireDogLake T-shirt and paraphenalia stand outside the courtroom. Have Marcy do an official book signing.
Michael Jones @ 76
Judging by the quality of the questions they asked during the trial, at least some of the jurors are
wide awake. They’ve had hours and hours of testimony to wade through without tripping over any Bright Shiny Objects. If they’ve made it all the way to the charges related to Cooper, they’ll probably be finishing up Real Soon Now.
SteveAudio @ 72
Prison stripes might be appropriate.
logorrhea @
88
By now, they have to know there is a news cycle to capture as well. Why would they leave early unless they were done? Unless they are at a natural stopping point, like between counts. I think I’ll set the Left Coast alarm early tomorrow, just in case….
Tannen @
67
Sexy, deep voice = Sam Elliott.
Some beef…yum.
logorrhea @
88
I CAN LIVE WITH THAT (if it’s a guilty verdict)
Try this link again (typo in my earlier attempt?)
OK, I guess it is gone . . . hmmm . . . was it something I said?
ohioblue @ 93
Neither can I!
BTW, I’m also Blue in Ohio.
I agree with Litigatormom that there is nothing to be read into the amount of time the jury is taking. You’ll read whatever you want into it anyway, but that doesn’t mean you should.
congratulations Shopgirl
why did they leave early? Why? Why? Why?
The tell all line:
After further discussion, we are clear on what we need to do. No further clarification needed. Thank you. We apologize.
It is my contention that this was the last bone of contention.
Jury comes back before noon tomorrow.
Guilty on 4 counts.
Hi pups
I’m enjoying this thread, and peterr’s “Tale of Two Georges”, and surfing the comments…
and now this lovely thread continues, yet the Tale of Two Georges is erased.
the best of times, the worst of times…
Shopgirlove @ 77
Mazel Tov Shopgirlove!!
If you don’t have to report to your new job until next Monday, well we should have a verdict in by then fersure. You may have trouble following the IMPEACHMENT hearings while at work later, but that’s a good sorta problem, n’est-ce-pas? :)
Aldon @ Orient Lodge says this:
I’d link to him but his servers crashed the other day…
oh and congrats Shopgirlove!
inmymind’s eye @ 7
Since you had some trouble with your search you may appreciate some coaching. I use lots of different search engines. I probably have somewhere between 50 and 75 search engines listed among my favorites. I use the window on my upper toolbar rather then the window of a specific search engine. This way I don’t have to reenter the search criteria as I change from search engine to another. I have 9 search engines readily available in the pull down menu from the upper right hand window of the toolbar. In this particular case since you were after a photo I selected Snap as my first search engine. I think the keywords I used were soldier child iraq and photo. The benefit of using the Snap search engine is it shows you the photo in a right side window as you scroll down through the URLs that are listed as possible answers. If you are not familiar with Snap, try it. I am sure you wil like it and will include it along with the other search engines you use.
http://www.snap.com/
Any sign of the Comstock-Toensing bullshit brigade whispering that if Scoots is acquitted on one or two charges, it’s not really a conviction?
The Rocky Horror Fitzmas Show?
Feels like fitzmas eve… time to light a fire and sleep fitfully until we can open our presents, or perhaps find coal in our stockings.
Congrats to Shopgirl!!!
not on look alikes but for drama value/sam elliott for fitz, jodie foster for jane, harvey keitel as scooter
Wil @ 110
Maybe one of the jurors wanted to leave a few minutes early to attend a school function for his/her child. Maybe they finished with one count and wanted to stop before going on to discuss the next one. Who knows?
I should add that there has been extensive discussion of the BBC World Trade Center footage over on 9-11 blogger for those interested in it.
So many interesting stories to follow at the moment!