
How else are we to explain the editorial decisions to propel Byron York's inept and hapless crayon scribblings yesterday, followed by the propagandistic, defamatory rantings of longtime Barbara Comstock sister in crime Victoria Toensing today? Barbara Comstock currently serves as the PR flack for the Libby defense team, and has been a key fundraiser for his defense.
We'll be getting into more substantive dissections of the lies and diversions propelled by these political campaigning players, but for the moment, I'd like to call everyone's attention to the fact that the Washington Post has made the decision to be the outlet for the Libby PR machine led by Barbara Comstock.
This decision has encompassed the work of both the editorial pages (as amply displayed this weekend), and, in the past, of the news division, under the byline of right wing smear merchant Steno Sue Schmidt. Steno Sue, you may recall, provided the original megaphone propelling the lie that Joe Wilson had been sent to Niger by his wife, Valerie Plame, a claim put to rest as false by testimony in Libby's trial when the INR memo was presented into evidence.
Today the Washington Post chose not to offer an alternate editorial voice to balance Byron York's piece from yesterday, but instead, decided to go all in with a 2,200+ word opus of mass deception by hit piece flack hack Toensing, attacking Patrick Fitzgerald and Joe Wilson personally and falsely.
In the print version, the Washington Post chose to highlight the column with a half page graphic depicting Patrick Fitzgerald, Joe Wilson, "The Media," Ari Fleischer, Richard Armitage and the" Department of Justice" in mocked up mug shots. In case any readers lacked the stomach to get through Toensing's flying fecal word fog, the Post no doubt wanted to be sure everyone took the point, even those merely scanning past the Sunday Outlook section. The graphic itself is defamatory, above and beyond the insubstantial right wing rantings of the column itself.
As I've said, others will address more directly the lack of merit of the Toensing article itself (UPDATE: Larry Johnson delivers), but the first point to take is the Post's choice to serve as the sewage pipeline for Wilson and Fitzgerald smears.
Why?
Could it be that members of the editorial board of the Post want to further the idea that Libby, no matter what the jury may decide, has been an "innocent victim" of a prosecutor with an alleged "political agenda?"
Can it be that the endgame of the current political campaign against Fitzgerald, coordinated by Comstock and propelled by the Post, is to deflect attention from the nefarious acts of a corrupt administration and a complicit media establishment to sell the country on the Iraq invasion on false pretenses?
What might the Washington Post in particular have to gain by such a public relations cover up?
As the trial draws to a close, you can be sure this element of the story will gain more focused attention.
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Yeah, chew on that zed, Victoria Toensing.
Actually, I no longer read the Washington Post.
The Toensing piece was ridiculous. The editors must have been stoned to allow that into print. Or blackmailed.
Oh…I see that Vacuous Vickie is still passing around that hoary old lie about Libby not committing a crime because Plame wasn’t covert. Notwithstanding the fact that she WAS covert, could somebody explain why that means Libby couldn’t have lied to the FBI and a grand jury?
Didn’t think so.
Marcy, if you’re here . . . any idea when your next shot at setting Byron York straight will be?
Having seen the trailers for Breach, the film about FBI agent/traitor/Opus Dei Catholic Robert Hansen, and heard this morning on the way to the grocery store an interview with the real agent who went undercover to catch Hansen, I have concluded, using the Bush Standard of Conflation, that Robert Novak and Barbara Comstock and presidential counselor Scooter Libby and Karl Rove are all treasonous. Tony Snow probably is, too.
Now back to read Pach’s always excellent take on the magical thinking that is Republibum Washington.
Oh, Pach, I weep at the sheer grandeur of your wordsmithery.
I don’t understand the WPost. The CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, DEA, Secret Service, and all the other security agencies are in their home delivery market. How can you win a power struggle with your home delivery market???????????????????
Having been in college during Watergate, I’m amazed how low WaPo has sunk since the early days of Woodward-Bernstein. Woodward has been present the whole time (and he was a registered Repub even back then). I wonder if he’s even noticed what happened during his tenure at WaPo.
small typo, Pach:
directly the lack of lack of merit
then again….
Yes, it is incredible that the Libby team just did not put on a defense, considering all the good ammo by faithful
mediahack Victoria. Why, he should’a hired Babs.Pach
Glad to see that you are on this. God, that woman drives me up a wall.
Should mention Comstock’s connection with the teen Gitmos of STRAIGHT, INC. First read about it on FDL about a year ago.
Need to do a story on Operation Mockingbird and Carl Berstein’s courageous article on embedded CIA operatives in the media esp. The Washington Post.
Thanks for this. The Conglomerate Media manipulation is obviously one of the main reasons we’re currently in a Constitutional Crisis. This drivel is what has blinded so much of the public to keep voting in Bushs, Clintons, Liebermans, and others whose main concern is serving their Conglomerate masters. They care not about “we the people.”
The rise of organizations like FDL has happened just in time. Count on my continued support (especially financial) to fight the good fight! Hacks like Toensing and friends must be stopped very soon.
From Toensing’s editorial:
The CIA is well aware of the requirements of the law protecting the identity of covert officers and agents. I know, because in 1982, as chief counsel to the Senate intelligence committee, I negotiated the terms of that legislation between the media and the intelligence community.
Is this why Toensing is so invested in this subject? Why are so many of the same characters involved in the propaganda campaign for the Iraq also involved in Iran-Contra? There’s a lot of butt-covering going on for sure, but it looks like most of it is coming from the Repbublican establishment. Why?
Thanks very much Pach, I also think Babs has taken notice of what normally happens to her talking points when they appear in the WaPo, we destroy them in the comments section. This time, it appears Babs alerted all uninformed wingnuts to comment their support for Victoria’s latest disappointment. It’s just a wild ass guess/estimate on my part, but at least half of the ten pages of comments are supporting Victoria and regurgitating her obvious errors. It doesn’t cost anything for FDL’ers to leave a criticism at the bottom of the article (which is linked at the top of your post).
I also think what’s going on here is an attempt to taint the jury. I think Victoria’s article is aimed at friends of jurors who Babs hopes will ask them how the trial is going and then leave an opinion tainted by Victoria’s latest written sputum.
Again, very grateful for you posting on this.
I only use the WaPo to pick up my dogs crap after he poops. I preferably use the editorial page, but almost any page will do fine. It is where this rag belongs. Babs Comstock and her minions including Mary McCheney should all rot from the inside out!
Prairie Sunshine @
11
TY. Got it.
The WashPo has been coasting on former glory for years. The new mandate is to buoy stock price for the owners, and those folks have convinced themselves that kowtowing to the Republican RtWing will do that better than being fair, honest and respectable. Hence they put Walter Pincus on A14 when his reportage on pre-war and war was correct but contrary to the Bush/Cheney line. Hence they have doofusses like R Cohen and F Hiatt in charge of “informed” opinion and an ombudswoman who is a joke. Hence the Woodward star deceives even his own editor about invovlement in the Plame event all the while publicly claiming it to be irrelevant in print (no punishment ensues). Hence they consider Libby an innocent bystander because they prefer to associate themselves with his type of Washingtonian. If not for the Washington Times (a wretched waste of trees owned by a madman) it would be even more obvious what a propaganda tool the WashPo has become. It is FOX news in fishwrap.
John Casper: That’s a great point. The timing of this “hit piece” is very suspect indeed. The more and more this shit happens in our “respectable” media, how can you NOT be a conspiracy theorist?!?
Anyone hear Skeletor Andrea Mitchell say on the Tweety show when asked about the Libby trial?…quote!”I will discuss the trial fully when it is over” Hmmmm. Wonder what ol’skeletor has up her sleeve?
The thing that discourages me so much is that these people are really good salespeople. Like that asshole Frank Gaffney the other day. When put into relief against Glenn Greenwald, he looks like a fool. But he sounds so reasonable, so sure, that a low information voter, one whose is passively consuming news, would conclude that he has a point. If nothing else, it makes a fog that many people have a hard time seeing through.
People have trusted these institutions for years, they just can’t conceive that these institutions would have an agenda that is contrary to the public good.
I’ve seen the idea floated (sorry can’t remember where) that Howie Kurtz’s piece on Michelle Malangalangabopbamboom was a direct reaction to the NY Times writing about FDL and the Libby trial. Makes sense, no?
I would add also, that it’s the only thing they are good at. Otherwise, these people would fuck up a two car funeral parade.
Just as a point of reference, as recently as six months ago, all the WH spin was exclusively about an “out of control prosecutor,” and “no underlying crime.” The fact that now Victoria has had to broaden those two to include,
Jimmy’s parents let him stay up until 8:30 on school nights“why weren’t others charged?” is definitely a sign of progress. It’s not enough, but things are moving (slowly) in the right direction.I also think what’s going on here is an attempt to taint the jury. I think Victoria’s article is aimed at friends of jurors who Babs hopes will ask them how the trial is going and then leave an opinion tainted by Victoria’s latest written sputum.
wouldn’t surprise me, but the judge has ordered the jury not to discuss this case and I suspect that has been treated seriously
let’s get some facts folks — not just polemics like “smear” and “garbage” — etc.
Pach and Christy–
I just sent you an email on this subject.
undecided @ 16
Yes, and she is the chief source for the crap about it being about the Intelligence Identites Act which she fancies herself the reatest living expert on.
John Casper @ 26
you know John, I thaink you are right. You just made my day
piper joe at 10:47 am
Have you listened to Scooter’s GJ testimony? CSPAN’s got the audio link. Did you hear him say Cheney told him to leak Plame’s identity and that Bush had declassified it? Do you figure Scooter was lying about that 12 June 2003 conversation, that is confirmed by his own notes? Was Cathie Martin lying when she testified that she told both Scooter and Cheney that Plame was classified? Was David Addington lying when he testified that Scooter asked him if the President had the authority to declassify?
Alice @ 27
Judge Walton has shown that he is very aware of the press coverage and I am sure both he and Fitz know exactly how porous a jury’s isolation can be. I expect that they can head off the most egregious (waving) spin from this sort of article in their summations and instructions. I have to trust them all — can’t do nuthin’ else at this point.
On the cloture vote Saturday in the Senate on the House version of the Iraq Resolution opposing Bush’s policy of escalation, the total was 56-34 with 10 not voting and the motion for cloture failed.
This vote has not yet been posted on the Senate site and I find this completely unacceptable. The Senate, House, and Thomas (Library of Congress: for Congressional Record, bill texts, etc.) sites are still operating in a pre-Internet mode where material gets posted when it gets posted. They haven’t grasped the concept that it is not enough that information gets on the net but that it does so in a timely fashion, which in internet terms means fast.
The following is from the AP via the NYT. It was not presented in the most accessible way but at least it was there. I have tried to improve upon it a little. We have all heard which Republicans voted with Democrats for cloture. I was particularly interested in the 10 not voting.
Voting with Republicans against cloture:
Lieberman (I-CT)
Voting with Democrats for cloture: 7 Republicans, 1 Independent
Coleman (R-MN) Yes
Collins (R-ME) Yes
Hagel (R-NE) Yes
Smith (R-OR) Yes
Snowe (R-ME) Yes.
Specter (R-PA) Yes
Warner (R-VA) Yes
Sanders (I-VT) Yes
Not Voting: 9 Republicans, 1 Democrat
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Ensign (R-NV)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
McCain (R-AZ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Johnson (D-SD) recovering from stroke
http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin.....ref=slogin
Interesting that no Senator from Arizona could be bothered to vote.
I agree the article on the front page is to taint the jury. There must be one Republican on the jury they are aiming at. Which one do you think, Pach?
Victoria Toensing as the
mob’sAdministration’s mouthpiece on WaPo. Who’da thought?Victoria and Babs Comstock seem like they can’t find enough silly things to spend the money in Libby’s defense fund on, but one can’t say they don’t try.
But if truth be told (heaven forbid, not at WaPo!), Scoots sure ain’t getting his money’s worth with this amateur effort!
BTW, next time Victoria, you and Babs be sure to kick Bobbles Woodward out from under the covers before breakfast, ’cause his wife don’t like him staying out all night.
John Casper @
17
John -
Is it possible that this editorial was also intended to deflect attention from some impending bombshells?
Prairie Sunshine @
8
and so it is that we now know why they often call it foggy bottom …..
wapo should revise it’s standard as a fluttering moonshot …..
Absolutely.
John -
Is it possible that this editorial was also intended to deflect attention from some impending bombshells?
This was my thought when I saw Victoria had been unleashed. Somethin’s up.
John Casper @ 18.
Yeah I read those 26 pages of comments and had many of the same thoughts you noted. Many were definitely of the ” libby’s unfairly being targeted and he’s innocent” “Fitz is a runaway prosecutor wasting our precious tax dollars” posts. Wonder how many emails were generated out of the logs of the pioneers network and contributors to the FOLDF (friends of Libby defense fund). You know not only asking for more money but also asking for them to sign on and respond to the online editorial. Especially if you compare the comments generated in response to the yesterday’s York editorial to this one today. York took a much bigger beating.
And yes notice this occurs the weekend before closing arguments….. as the church lady used to say…how conveeeenient. In addition I’ll add my three words now that Christy has posted and linked to the Isikoff article. “Off the Record” Kewl Kids Klub. Hohlt was a member as was Novakula. I betchya Fred Hiatt and or Woodward are members. Fitz is getting too close to how these insider media-political-gov’t operative assholes are all complicit in this fiasco.
looseheadprop @
13
save your energy, lucy, she’ll never change. it’s all about trying to revive her glory days …….
Hey, how do I get just part of a quote? I highlighted and then dragged to the comment box. That didn’t work right.
Arizona doesn’t have Senators who represent the people. Since 2004 McCain has been doing the Bush thing of restricted attendance to townhalls. He has members of AZ Code pink arrested when they attempt to visit him in DC. There is a Recall started here BY a Republican Chair of the district he lives in.
Kyl is in until 2012 and McCain is in until 2010. If you call their office you get the party line, if you write, you get canned letters that never address the issue.
Kyl and McCain represent only themselves and the people of Arizona are a nuisance.
http://therealmccain.com/
John Casper @ 10:57 am -
John -
How soon after talking with Bill Harlow did Cathie Martin tell Scooter and Cheney that Plame was classified? She talked with him on June 10 according to a timeline I’m looking at.
When did Scooter talk to Addington?
From wiki:
Being one of the key people to help draft the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, Toensing has been retained by a number of media organizations to give commentary on the Plame Affair. In March 2005 Toensing authored an amicus curiae brief on behalf of Matt Cooper and Judith Miller, two journalists who were subpoenaed in the Valerie Plame investigation for refusing to reveal information obtained from confidential sources. In the brief, she argued that “there exists ample evidence in the public record to cast serious doubt as to whether a crime has even been committed under the Intelligence Protection Act in the investigation underlying the attempts to secure testimony from Miller and Cooper.”[citation needed] She also contended that Ms. Plame didn’t have a cover to blow, citing a July 23, 2004 article in the Washington Times which argued that Valerie Plame’s status as an undercover CIA agent may have been known to Russian and Cuban intelligence operations prior to the article (by Robert Novak) that revealed her status as a CIA employee.[citation needed]
Main article: Plame affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Toensing
hey firedogs,
some vintage Hamsher goodness -
with Empty Wheel & Valley Girl flavahs added
and puhleeze, some Firedog with a trading background - puhleeze disabuse me of my ongoing notion that it could all be simple greed - flushing a major paper down the toilet to enrich those “selling short”, including the Editorial Borg - thanks ever so
Nice work, Pach. The basic legal principle behind both the York and Toensing peices is to “Muddy the waters” by questioning what crime was committed, what crime was charged, and what crime is being prosecuted. Toensing festoons this technique with an elaborate, incestuous, and singularly implausible scenario in which Patrick Fitzgerald convinced Joe Wilson to lie to David Corn to help the CIA get back at Jim Comey for wishing that he didn’t work for a freak like John Ashcroft who had his knickers in a twist for being forced to show his face in public after being played for a fool by his personal political messiah and the hero of our story, George W. Bush. Everybody got it?
The moral of the story:
Squids will be squids.
peace,
jim
Here is Victoria’s website. It lists all of her op-eds, except those written after Sept. 2006.
ReneND, highlight, then do Control-C to copy and within the comment box do Control-V to paste.
Twisted Martini @
23
twisted: a good summation in a nutshell, so to speak ……
[waves back to HotFlash]
Some responses:
I’m sure they’d love to influence the jury, though they can only do so if jurors disobey the judge’s orders, and they do seem to like and respect Walton. I have no speculation about any particular juror they may wish to influence.
As to impending bombshells, I would say that, in the immediate term, they are gearing up for a conviction on more than one, if not all, counts. They are laying out foundation for a lot of political fog to say that Scooter is really innocent, despite the jury verdict.
There’s a confluence of agendas here. BushCo rightly understands that this trial presents the greatest danger to the administration and the DC establishment because it exposes the path to war and all the criminal activity propelling it.
The Wilson civil suit also hangs in the background, as does the possibility (let me speak carefully so as not to overplay this or create inflated expectations) that Fiztgerald may contemplate further charges beyond the current ones aimed at Libby. In that eventuality, they want very much to head him off at the pass, if not legally, than politically. At all costs, the truth must not come out.
Finally, the Post has been up to its eyeballs in complicity with the administration’s war machine. Hell, Walter Pincus, the more credible of the two, flatly contradicted Woodward’s testimony over whether Woodward had indeed said anything about Plame to Pincus. The Washington Post is fighting for its life, and not at all interested in seeing the truth come to light.
This is why, I believe, the Post has chosen to put itself entirely in the tank to Comstock, Libby and all those part of the conspiracy to invade Iraq.
jim preston @ 48
oh my!
sheer brilliance.
ReneND @ 43
Copy and paste what you want to quote into the comment box. Then highlight it and click on QUOTE above the comment box.
C&L has the link to listen to a Frontline special
Frontline Exposes Bush’s Media Manipulation
But..But..Here is what will be NEWS this week!
Britney shaves her head-with pics www.people.com/people/article/0,,20012265,00.html
Practice–
Thanks guys.
Cleanup at 58 please, in between the two Rene comments.
Talking points I’m tired of:
“No underlying crime”, which usually follows “she wasn’t covert”. Sorry, but we in the public don’t know if she was covert or not. (I suspect she was, but I can’t prove it.) As for the “ample evidence in the public record” that she was NOT covert, I can only say “Duh!” Think about it: The CIA does not routinely put “ample evidence in the public record” as to whether or not their agents are covert. That’s sort of the whole point. The public isn’t supposed to know who the covert agents are.
“Why weren’t others indicted?” Because Libby obstructed the investigation. That is, after all, what he’s on trial for. And anyone who’s followed Fitz’s career will tell you that he always works backwards, so the most recent crimes are always charged first. The big reason that no one else has been charged is that Fitz hasn’t even gotten to the “underlying crime” yet. Be patient, Victoria.
Pach, Do you have a hunch what Fitzgerald will do?
yes egregious that is quite a nasty spill that needs quick action on isle 58.
BTW…. how do we vote the pundits out of office?
Since they have such power over our lives, surely they must be elected to such exalted positions.
Or are they crowned with pomp and fancy doings?
any one else having truble with nyt site?
I’m pretty new. Read the liveblogging and finally wrote this morning. Trying to get up to speed with you guys is a lot of work, but more than worth it.
katymine @ 62
they are ringed with pomp(ass), fancy doo-dooings and their tiresome twaddle should be forever banned.
John Casper @ 32
Not the issue re: the others. If Libby lied under oath, he should be convicted. No dispute about that — just as Clinton should have been convicted for his lies under oath.
Further, the cabal from Wolfowitz on down should be prosecuted — getting a nation (us) into war on lies and spin would fit within, in my view, the general conspiracy provision.
But, my question was aimed at Toensing’s contention that the others — Russert, Fleisher, Rove, etc. — who should have been treated like prosecutors normally treat folks in their shoes — plea bargain for a conviction, and bargain for the punishment — were given a pass.
Further, Walton’s trust of Russert’s lawyer unsworn hearsay was, in my view, incredible. If I were Wells, I’d have asked to put Levine under oath — the atty/client (Russert/Levine) priv. was waived by Levine’s representations. But, you see, this is all a quadrille — everyone walks –including, at the end, Libby …. just as Clinton did.
SP, CPA, below is from emptywheel’s
live blogging. I don’t think Addington gave a precise date for this meeting.
Boston1775 @ 64
Welcome Boston.
KEEPING up to speed is the tough part. I’m forever behind.
Frank Probst @ 60
Fitz stated at the outset that her employment status was “classified.” Any semantic difference between “classified” and ‘covert” is rather immaterial. If the Bushies and their apologists are now after all this time gonna openly argue that the Bush/Cheney unfettered unitary power of ad hoc insta-classification — unburdened by any sort of documentation process — neutered any “underlying crime, it simply screamingly begs the utterly obvious question of “OK, then, why didn’t you just announce it all openly on Day One? Why the necessity for the leaks and subesquent stonewalling and lying about them that resulted in a huge waste of taxpayer investigatory funds?”
We know why. That dawg jus’ won’t hunt quail.
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Boston1775 @
64
Ain’t that the truth! (And welcome to the asylum.)
Especially when you’re reading gems like this (”flying fecal word fog”) and having to pick yourself UP from the floor back into the chair, along with the constant cleaning off of screen & keyboard from spewage of coffee, et.al. Talk about alliteration.
Further hint for reading: I’ve taken to placing my laptop on a standup desk so as to alleviate buttock numbness.
You haven’t heaved until you’ve seen Victoria Toesing smarm her way across the cathode ray tube — as she did frequently during Lewinsky-O-Rama.
The last line of Oscar Wilde’s Salome leaps immediately to mind.
Warning flying fecal word fog below
piper joe @
28
Wow, first I discover a wonderful new phrase invented by Pach and then run into another example of it right away. You must be lost piper, this isn’t Little Green Footballs. You’re welcome to read my WaPo after I use it to wipe MaPoo.
O/T -
Speaking of laws, I thought there was a law against stuff like this?
Uh, like the law of gravity? Or, is it too “just a theory”?
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(((angie!)))
was worried you had been rendited to Macaca’s basement - welcome home gal
David Ehrenstein @ 70
Remember her tv appearances well (unfortunately), & good one on the Wilde reference:
After Herod’s command of “Kill that woman!” the Palace guards rush forward, and we have “Curtain.” Someone needs to cue the curtain on the sorry mess of her WaPo writing…
ruffian @
63
Yeah, it’s the shit they publish and the guys they give jobs to like JudyJudyJudy, Brainless Brooks and “work a metaphor to death” Friedman, to name just three. If Krugman and Rich went somewhere else, the NYT would be killing trees for nothing, nothing at all!
Just who is Victoria Toensing you ask?
Going back in time a bit, here’s what the WaPo (yes, you heard that right) in an article 8 years ago entitled “The Power Couple at Scandal’s Vortex“ had to say about Victoria and her sweetie back when they were busy snuffling for truffles to get the Big Dawg impeached:
And it is just coincidence that Novakula was the creature who publicly betrayed Valerie Plame’s identity and occupation.
Yup, and it is just coincidence that Victoria has written the OpEd trashing Fitz and begging the Grand Jury to charge him!
More:
Could Victoria and her hubby be members in good standing of the trash-talking, ever-festering Repug sore that has inflicted our nation’s body politic for the last decade or so?
And if so, why ever would the WaPo (All the Shit that’s fit to Shovel) want to be upfront about that?
Only the Shadow knows, and Cheney ain’t saying.
cbl– LOL!!!!!
nice to see you!
I do wonder in which which basement exactly Macacaman will settle down/sink into on K Street?
John Casper @ 11:32 am -
Thank you for your reply. As has been noted on at least one previous thread, the Egan decision that David Addington cited in his testimony says nothing about declassification of classified information. Something in the text of that decision was apparently taken out of context and/or misinterpreted, and it looks as if Executive Order 13292 was similarly misinterpreted; neither the Egan decision nor EO 13292 appear to support instant declassification of classified information.
Toensing jury tampering WaPo OpEd update, 29 pages of comments thus far, most of them witheringly “STFU, bitch.”
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Welcome Boston.
KEEPING up to speed is the tough part. I’m forever behind.
angie at 11:49 am -
Has your computer been on the blink in recent weeks?
Boston1775 @ 81
I think that may be a useless waste of time.
Once EPU kicks in, everyone moves along upstairs.
Do any timelines available to us indicate when the White House Iraq Group met in May and June 2003?
Sorry about my 82. Somehow, I quoted my new message and … Don’t know how I did that.
yep, Mr. Parrish @ 11:52.
;)
Boston1775 @ 81
Sometimes people will answer in the old thread, then come up to the new thread and leave a comment like “Riesz, if you’re here, I answered your comment in the thread below”
I waded through Victoria’s swamp last nite, and was mesmerized by the speed & ferocity of the wingnut echoing commentary attached to it. I have never seen the Reich Wing flying monkeys glom onto anything quite so quickly. No question in my mind that the cheeto brigades were primed and ready for Vickie’s opus. The cries of “excellent” and “you go, girl” from their mothers’ basements were deafening.
In my dreams: Judge Walton hauls Victoria into court on Tuesday morning, cites her for contempt for attempting to influence both the petit and grand juries, throws her in jail until the grand jury is done and Fitzgerald’s back in Chi-town — and then asks the media room, Barbara Comstock especially: ” Who’s Next? “
Thanks for responding piper. Here’s the totality of your 10:47: “Please let’s get some facts folks — not just polemics like “smear” and “garbage” — etc.”
Without any references, it wasn’t clear what issue you were raising.
No, Bubba’s lies were about consensual bj’s. Cheney’s and Bush’s lies have cost the lives of more than 3,000 US dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s and destabilized an entire region all for the bargain base price of $267,00,00/DAY. Clinton’s behavior was seriously unethical, but I don’t want my tax dollars spent prosecuting lies about consensual bj’s, for which Monica did not charge.
From Wolfowitz down? Why not from Wolfowitz on up?
Your commenting in bad faith piper, here’s your 10:47, it wasn’t a question:
“Please let’s get some facts folks — not just polemics like “smear” and “garbage” — etc.”
Most targets don’t have $900/hr counsel such as gold bars Luskin. Let’s reserve criticism of Fitz until he’s finished? Also see swan comment below.
I agree Russert was lying, but Scooter shouldn’t have tried to make him the fall guy. Stolen from lhp, “swans don’t swim in sewers.” How does a non-practicing attorney’s knowledge of the law in 1998, affect statements made by his attorneys or him years later about his opinions as a journalist?
Although it would affect the way Fitz wrote his indictment, you have to get past Scooter’s own GJ testimony, Scooter’s notes, Cathie Martin and Addington, before you have the luxury of worrying about whether Russert is telling the truth imho. Fitz was stuck with Russert’s previous testimony which contradicted Scooter’s and could not be directly impeached, sucks to be Scooter.
Since you want to be Scooter’s attorney, Wells didn’t put “his punk” on the stand. Did you agree with that?
new thead!
Nice work, Pach, although I trust you wore gloves and a face shield and disinfected thoroughly after going through Miss Vicky’s leavings…
Sure makes one wonder whether Judith Miller meant something altogether different by “Victoria” and “Flame” in her notebook.
I suspect that this was a concerted effort to play to the base, and a preemptive strike of the kind they are so “good” at (”good”, like preemptive strike on Iraq…). It’s not just to condition the base about the impending verdict, but about any impending indictments.
And to manipulate the potential jury for Plame’s/Wilson’s civil suit, since the burden of proof is much lower than it is in a criminal prosecution.
Nor is Libby’s defense team really working for Libby, to condition any peeking jurists or potential future witnesses/jurists; they are working for much bigger criminals, in particular the one that is the likely godfather of the biggest RICO organization this country has ever seen. Miss Vicky, with Babs’ hand up her backside, is really doing disinfo for Cheney Co. Really, who the hell is Libby anyhow? He doesn’t make money move like Cheney Co. does, doesn’t move markets like Cheney Co. can, doesn’t have his hand up the backside of the meat-puppet-dry-drunk-boy-who-would-be-king-of-the-world. This is all to enure to the benefit of Cheney Co., from its CEO down through the ranks of the folks who’ve profitted from Cheney Co. business.
And Miss Vicky has a bit of blowback going on here, too, if she’s also responsible for the 1982 draft of IIPA. Maybe Cheney Co. told her to make good for ever being involved in the IIPA, told her to put her cred on the line since as a drafter, the hordes might listen to her. But we didn’t listen to her shrill flatulence on the subject before, with good reason. Why would we now?
Wells didn’t put “his punk” on the stand. Did you agree with that?
No :>) — Edward Bennett Williams always used to tell his clients: “If you don’t testify, you better bring your toothbrush to the court house.”
Wells did a terrible job, which is why I called it a quadrille.
Frank Probst @ 60
So true. The silver lining in what amounts to odious revelations about the WaPo clockworks is that, after all is said, none of their points stand up to scrutiny. It’s wishful thinking. But then who expected them to go quietly? They’re burning up right now.
Riesz Fischer @ 87
Hi Boston,
Rest easy. There are hundreds or thousands of us here at any time, if you try to answer everything you’ll go insane or starve. One of the beauties of the Lake is that one is supported by the Grand Stream here. Someone will answer, the information will be held and available again when needed.
If you really wanna vomit, listen to this:
http://www.kcrw.com/news/progr.....ution_rest
toensig & york on the same program.
Sure, deflector spin is likely a very important driver for this weekend’s action by the slime merchants.
But, in a larger sense, I have to wonder if the Greenwald/Holmes smackdown of Gaffney is also, perhaps, playing a part.
Specifically, after their wailing wall was breeched, could it be that this is also meant to be a battering ram to push the infidels (ie. journalists who still remember what the 5 W’s actually are that are now being granted the freedom to point out demonstrable falsehoods to a national audience) back through the gates?
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btw: for those interested the CBC has just run a very good 5 part series called ’spin cycles’. FDL denizens would very likely be interested in the first half of episode 5, which can be found http://www.cbc.ca/news/backgro.....1;>here.
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oregondave @
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Byron York is Straight?! You’re kidding me!
If anyone can do it, Marcy can!