
(Yes, Virginia, there is a game called Axes of Evil. I kid you not. -- CHS)
What should a country do if it finds itself in an increasingly insecure world but realizes that its President and Vice President and their closest advisors cannot be trusted with protecting the national security? Suppose you've elected an administration that is so completely incompetent that it has bungled almost everything it has done, so belligerant that it has squandered the almost universal international support it enjoyed in the weeks after 9/11 while alienating most of its historic friends and allies, and so dishonest that no one can trust what it says, making it impossible to discern whether any threat the Administration claims to see in Iran (or anywhere else) is real, exaggerated or "hyped" (see General Caldwell, below)? What do you do when you realize that this dangerous combination of incompetence, belligerence and dishonesty is a primary cause of the increasing instability, hatred and distrust in the Middle East and contributing to the threats the nation faces?
That is the unstated dilemma that floated just below the surface all week long, as the Bush Adminstration blundered its way towards a war it claims it is not planning against Iran. And even here, one has to be careful, because the Administration often frames its denials of intent as not planning an "invasion" against Iran, but never answers directly whether it is planning an "attack" on Iran's nuclear or military installations.
The credibility/incompetence/belligerence themes played out all week, beginning with a briefing last weekend by "unidentified" US military officials in Iraq claiming that that they had solid evidence that particularly lethal roadside explosive devices being used to kill US troops were manufactured/coming from Iran and being supplied by an element, the Quds Force, of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. The source of the IEDs was not news -- that had been known since 2003 -- but two further claims -- that the supply and intent for use against US forces were sanctioned at the highest levels of the Iranian government, and that the devices were responsible for up to 25 percent of US casualties -- sparked a round of skepticism and clarifications which were still ongoing in yesterday's Presidential news conference.
Skeptics were quick to note that the NYT front page story of the initial briefing was a mostly uncritical repetition written by Michael Gordon, who was the co-author with Judy Miller of the original uncritical WMD stories, fed to them by senior Administration officials. Among many others, Glenn Greenwald, now at Salon, noted the disturbing similiarities in uncritical reporting, and also linked to Juan Cole, who dissected the plausibility that the claimed percentage of US casualties could be attributed to these devices given all the reports that most casualties were the result of US fights with Sunni insurgents, not the Shiites who were the presumed recipients of Iranian weapons. Other reports picked up on the skepticism, and Atrios took on the confused reporting of CNN's Barbara Starr.
By Wednesday, General Caldwell, who was part of the original briefing, was backing away from any claim that the Iranian government approved/sanctioned the effort, and General Pace, Chairman of the JCS, forced the situation by stating emphatically that he had no direct evidence to support such a claim of Iranian government approval. Faced with a serious credibility problem and reminders of Iraq, the President was forced to clarify in yesterday's presser that while he was certain the Quds Force were supplying the IEDs, and certain that the Quds Force were part of the Iranian Government, we were not claiming that the highest Iranian officials -- meaning the the Supreme Leader/Ayotolla -- were aware of or sanctioned the effort. The President then assured the nation that his Administration never intended any of the claims to be a pretext for war with Iran; we only meant to explain that if such weapons were being introduced into Iraq, the Commander in Chief had a responsibility to make sure US troops were protected. But what started out as an apparent effort to justify attacks on a country for killing our troops wound up as another demonstration of the Administration's ineptitude and lack of credibility. By the news hour this evening, Secretary Gates and General Pace were blaming this all on the unidentified briefers in Iraq going beyond what had been cleared.
The themes were also present in the Newsweek cover story, Rumors of War, which describes the long and painful history of US-Iranian relations, from repeated interventions, support of dictators, and CIA meddling, to the rise of the Ayatollahs and the seizure of US embassy personnel, to the election of President Ahmadenejad and his repeated threatening statements regarding Israel, and the recent US raids and capture of Iranians in Iraq, some of whom were guests of our increasingly nervous Kurdish allies. But the article also tells another story of a nation that on several occasions tried to reach out to the US:
Yet a NEWSWEEK investigation has also found periods of marked cooperation and even tentative steps toward possible reconciliation in recent years—far more than is commonly realized. After September 11 in particular, relations grew warmer than at any time since the fall of the shah. America wanted Iran's help in Afghanistan, and Iran gave it, partly out of fear of an angry superpower and partly in order to be rid of its troublesome Taliban neighbors. In time, hard-liners on both sides were able to undo the efforts of diplomats to build on that foundation. The damage only worsened as those hawks became intoxicated with their own success. The secret history of the Bush administration's dealings with Iran is one of arrogance, mistrust and failure. But it is also a history that offers some hope.
The article goes on to describe instance after instance of Iranian cooperation in Afghanistan, both in facilitating the overthrow of the Taliban and in helping to stabilize the country and install the interim government afterwards, followed by a sizeable commitment of funds for reconstruction. But this opportunity to transform US relations with Iran was then scuttled by hardliners in the Bush Administration and Iran. Remember when Bush told us that Iran (along with Iraq and North Korea) formed an "axis of evil"? According to Newsweek:
In a pattern that would become familiar, however, a chill quickly followed the warming in relations. Barely a week after the Tokyo meeting, Iran was included with Iraq and North Korea in the "Axis of Evil." Michael Gerson, now a NEWSWEEK contributor, headed the White House speechwriting shop at the time. He says Iran and North Korea were inserted into Bush's controversial State of the Union address in order to avoid focusing solely on Iraq. At the time, Bush was already making plans to topple Saddam Hussein, but he wasn't ready to say so. Gerson says it was Condoleezza Rice, then national-security adviser, who told him which two countries to include along with Iraq. But the phrase also appealed to a president who felt himself thrust into a grand struggle. Senior aides say it reminded him of Ronald Reagan's ringing denunciations of the "evil empire."Once again, Iran's reformists were knocked back on their heels. "Those who were in favor of a rapprochement with the United States were marginalized," says Adeli. "The speech somehow exonerated those who had always doubted America's intentions." The Khameini aide concurs: "The Axis of Evil speech did not surprise the Supreme Leader. He never trusted the Americans." [emphasis mine]
Let that sink in a moment. A Bush speech written by Gerson's team almost cavalierly proclaimed Iran our worst enemy, at Condi Rice's suggestion, to avoid singling out Iraq and to make Bush sound like Ronald Reagan. And with that, the Iranian moderates and their hopes for reconciliation were overthrown.
The article goes on to claim that despite this beligerent name-calling, the Iranian leaders continued to make overtures to the US, including cooperation in the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. But eventually, the White House would again rebuff Iranian efforts at reconciliation, including one facilitated by a Swiss diplomat, an effort reported in June 2006 by the Washington Post. Other articles would pick up on this story, suggesting again that Rice and others in the Bush regime blew an opportunity to reconcile with Iran. Senator Chris Dodd has asked the State Department to explain. But is it any wonder that the Republican Party now finds itself losing influence and support across the board, especially on national security?
It is hard to know what to make of this. We have been conditioned for so long to think of Iran as "the enemy," and the reckless and threatening statements by the Iranian President must be taken seriously. But one cannot help but think that much of the animosity between the two nations never had to happen and is not based on any inherent, irreversible conflict of US and Iranian interests. Were there not more peaceful paths that history could have taken? And if they had been pursued, would they have been sabotaged then, just as neocons like John Bolton and Elliot Abrams are trying to sabotage the agreements with North Korea now?
In the meantime, we have an Administration for whom a policy of waging peace in the Middle East has been missing for six increasingly violent years, but whose incompetence, belligerence and dishonesty make war more likely and "winning" less likely. Our national security may require that we challenge the prevailing assumption that we're stuck with this dilemma for two more years.
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FITZ!
Are you sure it’s not asses of evil?
Fitz! Hands!
We know our only recourse, yet we dare not use it. So, we wait for 2008.
Please do not confuse the relatively level-headed Gergen (David) with the looney Gerson (Michael).
Mike Gredell @ 5
Ah — good catch. It’s fixed. Refresh.
On CNN, Blitzer interviews Bolton, and then asks Chris Hill, who negotiated the NK deal to respond. He notes that Bolton is “a private citizen” and entitled to his [neocon] opinion.
An attack on Iran by our government is probably a done deal. And there doesn’t seem to be a thing we can do about.
AP - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday that President Bush lacks the authority to invade Iran without specific approval from Congress, a fresh challenge to the commander in chief on the eve of a symbolic vote critical of his troop buildup in Iraq.
Reading DOJ evidence “Q Cheney” gives you a really good insight into how these guys think - especially Bush himself. Everyone likes to paint him as a puppet of Cheney, but seems to me he really is the Decider. He’s like Yosemite Sam.
The history of our relations with Iran should be seen in connection with our relations with Israel. This equally dysfunctional relationship, and the dismal current state of affairs in Israel, are discussed in this article in Salon, written by Gregory Levey, who is described as “Israel’s United Nations speechwriter and senior foreign communications coordinator for Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert.”
On several occasions, this community has sparred about dealing with the relationship between Israel and the US, but we shied away from it, because it arouses so much emotion. Perhaps we could get the author to come here to lead a rational consideration of the problems.
It’s not Iran that worries. It’s what happens as a consequence.
subliminable
There’s an interesting diary over at dkos right now that points out a statement Bush made yesterday,
The writer goes on to point out that you could hold up a mirror to that statement and see in it some of the exact criticisms leveled at the Bush administration after the Abu Ghraib disgrace. Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Condi all dismissed those criticisms as unworthy. The sheer hypocrisy of Bush and his followers knows no bounds.
It should be obvious that the Israeli government has had, and does have, an enormous influence on the White House, and for that matter, many in both houses of Congress.
JERUSALEM — Israel has begun broadcasting live Internet video footage of archaeological excavations near Jerusalem’s most contested holy site Thursday, in a bid to appease Muslim anger over the project.
“It started at 2:00 pm [1200 GMT]. There are three cameras online 24 hours a day,” Israel Antiquities Authority spokesman Osnat Gouez said, saying that the decision had come from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
“Everybody can see our work and see every minute of the excavation. We did it because the prime minister asked us and we thought it was a good idea. Now there is no question about what we are doing,” she added.
WEBCAM OF HOLY SITE:
http://www.antiquities.org.il/home_eng.asp
From the wisdom of Tony Snow in his press briefing today.
Tony Snow as military historian:
A lot of Germans were probably asking this same question in 1945:
Tony Snow on the chicken or egg question:
Tony Snow on well you decide:
Tony Snow gives an example of the new commitment to efficacy by the Iraqi government:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....215-4.html
Scarecrow - another one knocked out of the park.
Your first paragraph is breathtaking. Every sentence describes the feeling of fear and dread any thinking, honest citizen in America must be feeling right now. It’s almost “the fear that cannot be spoken” or else you are overcome by a feeling of doom and helplessness. That’s why I worked so hard to try to get Kerry elected and the same for Lamont. It’s heartbreaking to me that both efforts ended in failure. I fear for my daughters.
Anyway, thank you for articulating what we’re up against so compellingly.
To say that Bush “blew it” may be an error- he may have deliberately rebuffed reapproachment cause he wants in the darkest corner of his foolish foolish heart to invade Iran- and needs to retain a rationale.
They are not incompentent. This is all highly planned. The Bush family has been complicit in running weapons for a long time. This is all a big money grab for them and their cronies. Weapons and oil - more for them and then they screw to their new digs in Paraguay and live like the kings they fashion themselves to be.
Do you still want to have a beer with W?
Biden is advocating rescinding the authorization for the use of force so that Bush can’t claim that it justifies an Iranian invasion..
If congess is going to do ANYTHING about this- it better get cracking- saying “He doesn’t have the power” accomplishes nothing. If he invades- what’re they gonna do- take him to court? Best get after it.
am entering this blindly off topic before i read:
and this is way off topic (probably):
but it’s my birthday and i’m taking that as a pass to post a statement from an email i sent to a friend:
the mideast——and my historian uncle always reminded me that the most important place was always mesopotamia…….i still remember learning about it………and am reminded when my father told me in the 70’s that israel was importing ethiopians to do the dirty work noone wanted to do in israel…….and my former israeli boyfriend who was brought up to hate palistinians…………and art and peggy gish, from here, organic farmers, sell at the farmer’s market year-round, CPT team members, the people who go to conflict countries as observers and helpers…one of them was beheaded last year, pacifists…..peggy won a peace award from JAPAN…………they both wrote books……..his about palistine and what really goes on there, and hers from iraq, shortly after the war…….she’s been there 4 times i think……..mostly trying to help family members get their relatives out of american prisons for walking down the wrong street at the wrong time………awful stuff i don’t write about much.
they are heroic……..
one day i was leaving the market and forgot about $100 i had just gotten from the bank, was doing my budget in my head after i left the market……………and was ahead, and hadn’t included the 100………..drove back to the market, tucked it into art’s pocket, he was getting ready to go to palestine, and told him to spend it however he needed to……….money well spent………….i still think of mesopotamia and what it was………..and i think of rumi……….one of my favorite writers. he says it all………love…………..and more love………….and love……………
i wish we would get the hell out of there………..
i think sometimes that it isn’t the same country that my brother gave his life for………..i hope that it is…….but i wonder……and i write letters……….
birthday thoughts, the most important kind, surrounded by love, and free to think…….
added:
oh. i hope you all have it right, that this thing is really coming to fruition, that the way to peace is really what you are espousing in your comments……..oh i so hope it to be so………..and that is what i live for, to see that come in my lifetime……..my bumper sticker says: when you tell the truth you don’t have to remember what you said…….so, keep on telling the truth, don’t let it get tumbled up in sarcasm and irony, just keep telling truth, please. leave out the rest of it.
You’re not alone. I’ve been with you on the not a puppet thing for a long time.
I even have a nascent theory I’m trying to decide whether I like on why the Puppet Master theme is so powerful - the shorter version of which is that people don’t WANT to (or can’t) believe that the Preznit of the US could possibly be responsible for such moronity in their name in every aspect of governance/leadership, so they look to place the blame elsewhere. And they find comfort, cold that it may be, that the real immoral moron responsible wasn’t really “elected,” but usurped the office
It may have legs, or not.
Tony Snow- MOST annoying in a long line of annoying press secretaries Bush has hired- disgusing human being.
Hugh — thanks for the Snow links; this post follows a series of comments you submitted critiquing the original NYT Gordon article.
New moon this weekend makes it very dark all over the planet — just right for those Stealth fighter bombers to really, really avoid detection.
forgot to post the website i wanted everyone to see:
http://mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
It seems the only way to stop this lunatic administration from committing further war crimes is to impeach the President and Vice President.
While Congress talks, Bush will act.
rwcole @ 19
No “invade” necessary. Just attack without actual invasion. Parse, parse, parse.
TPhillip @
14
From Woodwards questions in the DOJ evidence:
“”Others have said that the core discussion with the president about Iraq in late 2001 was as follows:
If Saddam uses WMD on Israel and Israel retaliates, especially with nuclear, then you’ve lost the entire Middle East.
If Saddam uses WMD in the U.S. and thousands or hundreds of thousands die, there will be no excuse if the administration says the evidence was not conclusive. So the weight of evidence required before 9/11 does not apply after 9/11. The standard of proof has to be lowered.”
So, to me what he is saying is, what is worse if the leaders ordered CUDS to do it or they did it on their own. The policy is that by not acting, there is no excuse if something bad happens, which is why the standard of proof has been lowered since 9/11, and he said in his speech that he will act on it. Ominous.
oregondave (epu’d)
Open letter to Cox of Media Bloggers association by emptywheel over at TheNextHurrah.com.
There’s going to be a run on duct tape. Good stock tip.
Having been watching this blog for some time now, long enough to recognize and appreciate the talent massed here, I find it difficult to understand why there is almost NO MENTION or reference to the solution to the BUSH LED TRAIN WRECK, or at least I have not seen it…the key words are:
Impeach!
Try!
Convict!
Remove from office all those responsible for us being in this mess…..LEGALLY, of course!
Did you notice that Bush is now speaking about our successes in Afghanistan along with Iraq, in the same fashion? We’re doing well, but it will take many years.. it’s a long struggle.. blah blah.
When we hear about winning battles just outside of Berlin we’ll know that victory is truly at hand.
First: Is ‘Axes’ the plural of ‘axe’ or of ‘axis’? (math geek shibboleth?)
Second:
Yes, Bush HAS to get a war on with Iran. Follow with me on this…
I have claimed, at times, that the Falwell’s et al. of his ilk do NOT want Roe v. Wade overturned. Say what?!?!!? Yep, they want it around because it’s a major money maker and attention getter. If Roe were in fact reversed, they’d lose their biggest attraction.
Now recall that George W. Puddinhaid told the inspectors to get out of Iraq in a hurry. Couldn’t take the chance the inspectors would tell the world there were no WMDs, that the UN would come together after all and put up an effective coalition for containment. He wanted his war and there was nothing gonna stop him from having it.
In addition to what the scarecrow has written above, recall Condi “There was no way we could predict we’d nuke Iran” recently denying that she ever even SAW the latest invitation to talk. And also, (wish I could find a link for this..) recently some respected expert said (paraphrasing) If you ewant regime change in Iran just wait three to five years. They’ll change it themselves.
The Invader in Chief, bowing to his neo-con masters like Darth Vader to Emperor Palpatine, has to ENSURE that the chaos will continue. It’s part of the PNAC plan.
The Israeli government has enough nuclear weapons, courtesy of us, to plunge the world into war. I think China, Russia, India, and Pakistan will not sit back and do nothing if the U.S. does something really big.
John Swifty –
If you show up here, please note that I responded to your question in the thread just below. (I had stepped away from the computer for a bit to make phone calls, didn’t get to answer you right away.)
Here, to make it easy for you:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-507523
Hugh @ 41
Fixed the Quds; where’s the “scuttle”?
AP - U.S. and Iraqi forces pushed deeper Thursday into Sunni militant strongholds in Baghdad — where cars rigged with explosives greeted their advance — while British-led teams in southern Iraq used shipping containers to block suspected weapon smuggling routes from Iran.
Scarecrow @ 25
You’re welcome. Two small points: scuttle and usually Qods or Quds
Unfortunately, so much of this situation is driven by a general failure–in the Congress, the press and the public–to note the similarities between the stance and tactics of the right wing in Israel and the stance and tactics of the right wing in this administration.
Neither Israel nor this administration have had any desire to negotiate with adversaries in any way but to demand surrender of all terms before negotiations may begin.
Both Israel and this administration believe that overwhelming military force is the answer to any problem.
Both Israel and this administration believe that the application of overwhelming military force can serve to mask the policy of political assassination from the air from public view.
Both Israel and this administration see calculated, carefully crafted lies in furtherance of military force as necessary to build public support for war.
Both the right wing in Israel and in this administration have sought to create a siege mentality in their domestic populace as a means of retaining political power.
Both Israel and this administration liberally apply the label “terrorist” to any adversary which resists them militarily, diplomatically or economically (why else would the US, for example, denote North Korea a “state sponsor of terrorism” when North Korea has exceptionally little influence beyond its own borders–except for selling some missile technology to Iran).
What ought to be obvious, though, by now, is that this strong tendency to use force to solve problems which can only be solved by negotiation simply does not work. The US has, for example, adopted the same urban warfare tactics in Iraq that Israel has used for forty years in the occupied territories, and, predictably, has met with no success at pacifying the local population–because the intent of such tactics is to demoralize, rather than to win hearts and minds.
Until Congress begins to sound the depths of those debilitating similarities and acts to bring them to the surface of the debate, there’s nothing to stop this administration from making further mistakes and from further diminishing the US in the court of world opinion.
and linda2:
wanted to tell you, after the barrage of crap the other day that you got-i see your insights and appreciate them
Impeachment would be satisfying- but it’s not in the cards unless things change (Bush does something even worse than what he’s done already).
The actual removal of a president can only happen when the opposing party has at least sixty seats in the senate and only when at least 60 percent of the public supports the impeachment. Otherwise you just don’t have the votes. In fact it has NEVER happened.
It’s a nice warm idea- but it ain’t gonna happen
rwcole @
19
Dingdingdingdingding!!!
Even if he didn’t initially plan to attack Iran, he at a bare minimum wanted to make sure he had another Scary Boogeyman in his back pocket in case Iraq didn’t turn out well (unpossible!) and he needed another distraction, or opportunity to play at being the Big Strong Decisive War President some more.
OK Kiddo - At least try to get your facts straight. It wasn’t the US.
Wikipedia: Israel and weapons of mass destruction
Do you think that when Pelosi, Senator Clinton, Webb, and others announce that the President CANNOT attack Iran without their authorization, they are speaking to THE MILITARY? Telling them NOT to obey an order to attack Iran?
Who is listening?
If Iraq had gone the way Bush figured it would (cakewalk), the bombs would already be falling in Iran. He wanted a twofer.
dmac @
43
Thanks. That was bizarre. Peace.
Scarecrow @ 39
Oh yeah, it works - I *like* the ambiguity. Just figured most, not being math geeks, would read it “aks-ez”, not “ak-sees” as I did.
This administration is not incompetent, but quite deliberate in their intentions. We now are quite advanced on our way to a corporate fascist state courtesy of the Bush/Cheney regime. The thing is…just how do we, the people, stop them?
EPU’d
Oklahoma kiddo
Yes. But they haven’t told. Trust me on this; they’re out there, but they’re not out, there.
rwcole @ 24
From Ari to Scottie to Toni. What a group.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 46
Are you saying the Israeli military has not received directly or indirectly nuclear weaponry from the U.S.? And if so where exactly did and does the Israeli government get it’s financing for weapons?
i think after all the things you’ve said that ‘put me off’, i think you may have this rightl
Notta Flatlander @ 52
I saw that. And I think you are correct on this.
On the leadership of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: “He leads in a way that the good Lord tells him is best for our country” –GENERAL PETER PACE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pace
Beer thirty.
Tony Snow is not sure anything went wrong in Iraq.
snow comment
“The Delusionist” olberman has on the bottom of the screen with Bush on.
Bustednuckles @ 58
My beer thirty is already 3/4 gone. Something to be said for being punctual.
Olbermann is doing the lifting.
The EFP’s (explosive formed penetrators) the administration claims were manufactured in Iran and smuggled into Iraq to kill US soldiers are the very epitome of an IED with the emphasis on improvised. Just look at the photos that accompanied the Baghdad briefing.
These things are the very thing you would expect a well funded insurgency with a working knowledge of munitions to come up with and be able to manufacture in quantity in any old garage or basic workshop. They comprise an open ended casing like an artillery shell with a copper lens or disc replacing the shot, backed by an explosive charge. All the basic materials are widely available in Iraq. They don’t carry serial numbers and can be triggered by any number of dual use technologies such as cell phones, garage door openers or non military sensors. The Bader Meinhof gang used one to kill a german businessman who traveled in an armored car by placing the device in the saddle of a parked bicycle his route would pass, that was triggered by a photo cell.
The claims of Iranian involvement in supplying EFP’s which are the subset of IED’s proving most lethal to our troops are just completely bogus.
Oh lordy, KO is buying the line that Boosh is sending more troops to “fight the Taliban”. Hellooo…He is sending troops in preparation for the planned invasion of Iran. If he wanted to fight the Taliban he would get his hand out of Pervez’s pants.
ccmask @ 57
Umm, for those desirous of a decidedly different view of what motivated Rummy–quite apart from any invocation of the good Lord–I highly recommend this long piece at Tomdispatch.
scarecrow,
the other thing is that Michael Gordon’s article came out on Saturday or the day before the Sunday briefing. It was probably meant as a kind of scoop fed to him by those who wanted to cast in the best possible light the briefing scheduled for the following day. James Glanz wrote the article on the Sunday briefing with Richard Oppel, Michael R. Gordon, and Felicity Barringer contributing.
Hey, dmac!
There you are! Was looking for you earlier.
Just wanted to repeat my wish for your special day today:
Happy Birthday!
Has it been good so far?
Mrs. K8 @ 67
That’s right! Happy birthday dmac.
Montag @ 42
Your point is discussed in this article in Salon. I think it is worth a read.
It suggests that the Israeli people have begun to realize that the Bush Administration is not their friend, and that they have no clear path to a better future.
In order to move the public, we first have to understand why so many are not already up in arms.
Those who are incapable of committing great crimes do not readily suspect them in others. Francois de La Rochefoucauld
That, I think explains MOST of the general malaise vis a vis BushCo.
The rightwing whackjobs however hew true to the contrapositive of that statement (which I call Peter’s Lemma): Those who suspect others of great crimes are most likely to commit them.
montag: wrt your link: This known by you was unknown by me. Thanks
rwcole @ 44
That may be true in theory but it isn’t true factually speaking. I mean the part about needing 60 seats isn’t factually true. Plus I think desire for impeachment has been polled at well over 50% if it was established that Bush and Cheney lied us into war. That, among other past egregious actions committed by Bush and Cheney, could most certainly be brought out to full view. Then the poll numbers would climb.
Also, keep in mind that Nixon allmost certainly would have been impeached and convicted bi-partisanly if he not resigned.
Bush is sending more troops to Afghanistan because things are going so well there!!
He’s a silly goose that Mr. Bush.
Hugh @ 66
Amy Goodman interviewed (rather briefly) Michael Gordon yesterday. Might have a look in DemocracyNow!’s archives for the transcript and video. Gordon comes off very pissy and testy when even mildly questioned about the lack of skepticism in his reporting.
ccmask @ 71
Just adding a little grist to the mill. :)
Interesting interview on this topic of Pat Lang by CNN’s Blitzer, posted on Lang’s web site:
Sic Semper Tyrannis
kitt
Well it actually takes a 2/3 vote in the senate to remove a president- I would think you would need at least a 60/40 advantage to pull it off. Hard to say since it’s never happened.
KO on Scootie trial…
montag @ 74
The interview with Amy Goodman is discussed in the Glenn Greenwald link, IIRC. I know I’ve seen it.
rwcole @ 44
Elizabeth de la Vega made a good case for impeachment. I think the votes in the House are there. Now is the time to force the issue. Public opinion will convince the Republican senators to convict.
montag @ 74
Boy, why does that not surprise me?
Notta Flatlander @ 70
Ceux qui sont incapables de commettre de grands crimes n’en soupconnent pas facilement les autres.
I’m a La Rochefoucauld fan too.
Well, it makes you wonder if the Bush administration hasn’t deliberately created yet another “scapegoat” of Israel. Smoke and mirrors. By supporting Israel’s huge attack on Lebanon, the U.S. has helped create a situation where Israel becomes the easy retaliation “target” instead of the U.S. It goes along with their “fight them over there” policy. Convince Israel that you’ll support them and get them to do the dirty work for you. I believe their so-called “loyalties” to Israel are purely self-serving and are being used to deflect direct attacks on the U.S. I’m afraid they would sacrifice Israel in a second.
Kathy @ 47
I think in part they are laying the groundwork to: 1) stop funding and 2) start impeachment. They are laying out a big “Don’t you dare” to the crazies in the White House and making it clear that there will be an immediate constitutional crisis.
BushCo can’t say it wasn’t warned.
Linda2 @ 82
You are striking the nail on the head. I concur with your analysis. ;0)
My liveblog of the interview on Olberman of Stan Brand (Defense Attorney)discussing why Libby & Cheney did not testify:
1) they believe they have a clear winner
or
2)they are so far in the hole that they will do much worse to be cross-examined by Fitz.
Fitz has boxed Libby in with 7 witnesses. Re Libby, he says do not promise something you can’t deliver on and Wells has not delivered.
Keith asked is there someone in the government who was going to offer Libby a deal? He says that Libby can only trade up (Bush, Cheney).
Fitzgerald doesn’t persue for sake of persuing. He will only prosecute cases he can convict.
How does Marcy do it?
tit
Well a case for impeachment can be made pretty easily- but that’s a long ways from getting the votes. I can’t see ANY way of getting a two thirds vote to remove in the senate- I can’t even see getting an impeachment vote in the house. I think it’s wishful thinking at this stage- and if ya go after him- ya better get him- not just wound him a little.
Please…somebody take this Valentine’s candy out of here…its so good.
blood for blood
Ironically- tryin to impeach Bush might be the ONLY thing that would revive his presidency. The american people will run to his side if they think the dems are over reaching as they did for Clinton.
The attribute that comes most quickly to mind, when thinking about the Bush administration, is ‘ruthless’.
MRS k8 and scarecrow:
HAVE HAD A HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!
GOT the who cd and dvd concert in the mail (concert recorded in columbus where we all went to see them) from my best friend in the mail and birthday money in the mail and visit from my sister tomorrow for the weekend, she is a hoot, makes me laugh more than anyone, 9th grade english teacher, she’s in the trenches so to speak, so, life is good…thanks for the love……..
rwcole @ 89
My feeling on impeachment is that you have to make a case for it and build public demand through investigations first. If the Dems tried to impeach now, I don’t think it would look as bad as the Republicans’ attack on Clinton, but it would still probably hurt them more than him.
rwcole @ 89
This is an interesting take on impeachment. I must say.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
To me, “ruthless” implies that there is competence and some kind of plan. “Amoral” and “sociopathic” work better for me.
rwcole @
21
got to tip my hat to Teefs ‘n Tufts:
Senator Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (DE-D),
Is that some kind of veiled threat?
OT: to Hugh and any other francophones - check out these decade-old short comedy sketches by Les Deschiens. some of them are hilarious.
I agree, and that’s really sad for me, because I think impeaching him is the ONLY way to stop this war AND set the precedent necessary to redeem our constitution. Who would’ve thought that millions of Americans would rush to the defense of a law-breaking egomaniacal thug. It really is depressing.
rwcole @
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Interestingly, the world is getting a bit of a civic’s lesson from the house debate. The news service we use just popped out the following heading, from China Daily: “Pelosi: Bush lacks power to invade Iran”. To be fair, it’s probably something they picked up off the wire services, but who’d think they would care…