
Tristero's post over at my place from earlier today about General Peter Pace's divergence from the administration's talking points may illuminate some of the backchannel infighting going on in the Bush administration over Iran. Here's the nut:
A top U.S. general said Tuesday there was no evidence the Iranian government was supplying Iraqi insurgents with highly lethal roadside bombs, apparently contradicting claims by other U.S. military and administration officials.
Now, we don't know what this really means. It could be that they are playing some sort of elaborate good cop/bad cop routine. (God help us --- these people are not very good at complicated tasks.) Or it could be a real revolt of the generals. We can't know for sure. But we do know that as much as a year ago, the administration has been actively planning to attack Iran and the generals have been resisting. Here's Seymour Hersh from April 2006:
There is a growing conviction among members of the United States military, and in the international community, that President Bush’s ultimate goal in the nuclear confrontation with Iran is regime change. Iran’s President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has challenged the reality of the Holocaust and said that Israel must be “wiped off the map.” Bush and others in the White House view him as a potential Adolf Hitler, a former senior intelligence official said. “That’s the name they’re using. They say, ‘Will Iran get a strategic weapon and threaten another world war?’ ”A government consultant with close ties to the civilian leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was “absolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb” if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do “what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,” and “that saving Iran is going to be his legacy.”
One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military planning was premised on a belief that “a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.” He added, “I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, ‘What are they smoking?’ ”
I have believed for some time that the Bush administration is intent upon attacking Iran because they believe that their unpopularity will be redeemed by history for having taken great, bold steps to transform the middle east. The more Iraq looks like a cock-up of epic proportions that results in nothing more than chaos and death, the less likely it is that their "vision" will come to pass. And so they rely more and more on the "big" thinkers who set us on this path many years ago: the neoconservatives who cooked up a document for Israeli politician Benjamin Netanyahu years ago. A document called "A Clean Break", which many people, including Ambassador Joseph Wilson, have pointed to as the guiding document that took us first into Iraq --- and now maybe Iran.
For those of you who may be foggy on the details, I would highly recommend that you read this very interesting neocon primer by Craig Unger in this month's Vanity Fair. It was, at one time, considered to be crazed moonbat conspiracy mongering to talk about "Clean Break." Today those of us who were writing about it prior to the Iraq invasion have been vidicated by events. We were not being hysterical then and we are not hysterical now:
The neoconservatives have had Iran in their sights for more than a decade. On July 8, 1996, Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel's newly elected prime minister and the leader of its right-wing Likud Party, paid a visit to the neoconservative luminary Richard Perle in Washington, D.C. The subject of their meeting was a policy paper that Perle and other analysts had written for an Israeli-American think tank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic Political Studies. Titled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," the paper contained the kernel of a breathtakingly radical vision for a new Middle East. By waging wars against Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon, the paper asserted, Israel and the U.S. could stabilize the region. Later, the neoconservatives argued that this policy could democratize the Middle East."It was the beginning of thought," says Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-American policy expert, who co-signed the paper with her husband, David Wurmser, now a top Middle East adviser to Dick Cheney. Other signers included Perle and Douglas Feith, the undersecretary of defense for policy during George W. Bush's first term. "It was the seeds of a new vision."
Netanyahu certainly seemed to think so. Two days after meeting with Perle, the prime minister addressed a joint session of Congress with a speech that borrowed from "A Clean Break." He called for the "democratization" of terrorist states in the Middle East and warned that peaceful means might not be sufficient. War might be unavoidable.
Netanyahu also made one significant addition to "A Clean Break." The paper's authors were concerned primarily with Syria and Saddam Hussein's Iraq, but Netanyahu saw a greater threat elsewhere. "The most dangerous of these regimes is Iran," he said.
Ten years later, "A Clean Break" looks like nothing less than a playbook for U.S.-Israeli foreign policy during the Bush-Cheney era. Many of the initiatives outlined in the paper have been implemented-removing Saddam from power, setting aside the "land for peace" formula to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, attacking Hezbollah in Lebanon-all with disastrous results.
Nevertheless, neoconservatives still advocate continuing on the path Netanyahu staked out in his speech and taking the fight to Iran. As they see it, the Iraqi debacle is not the product of their failed policies. Rather, it is the result of America's failure to think big. "It's a mess, isn't it?" says Meyrav Wurmser, who now serves as director of the Center for Middle East Policy at the Hudson Institute. "My argument has always been that this war is senseless if you don't give it a regional context."
That is the argument that's clearly driving Bush and Cheney today. They have nothing else. Cheney is melting down on national television. Bush in his bubble is as detached and oblivious as ever. I believe that we are at a point where the only things standing between us and the order to attack Iran are the generals. (Forget congress --- they can't even pass a toothless resolution against the "surge" in less than a couple of months. The "surge" will have already failed by the time they even stage a uselss protest.) And that is about the scariest thing, out of many scary things, I've contemplated since the beginning of the Bush administration. We are now in a Strangelovian bizarroworld where we must count on General Buck Turgidson to refuse to follow orders. Holy Moly.
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Digby in the house!
Yeehaw.
Ugh.
Welcome Digby!
This is very scary. Imagine — the progressives agitating for peaceful solutions finding themselves allied with the warriors.
Digby!
Welcome.
Yo Digby! Great to see ya at the ‘Lake.
Not “A Clean Break?” — no, more like
“A Cancerous Infected Multiply-Fractured Misadventure.“
BushCo: magical thinking only
The truth is not in them. Nor is reason.
Digby said:
Must’ve been a typo. Didn’t you mean to say Holy Molly Ivins?
Digby!
No one says it as well as you do.
But now, what do WE do? It almost seems inevitable.
Whoo-hooo!!
We heart Digby.
Ms Digby, greetings (curtsies).
Welcome Digby!
Here’s what I say to the anonymous “briefers” in Iraq about weapons made in Iran.
Yeah. My neigbor’s car was made in Michigan. Must be Bush is supplying him with transportation.
This Iran thing is seriously scary.
Okay, Digby, the General Buck Turgidson line totally freaked me out, especially after reading the Vanity Fair article earlier today.
What a mess.
See, the problem is that the ‘backchannel infighting’ never seems to have any effect whatsoever on ChimpCo.
Other than perhaps convincing Bush to move ahead in/to spite the fighters.
There needs to be meaningful and binding consequences for bad behavior by Commander Codpiece and his CheneyMail suit.
Wish I knew how.
TeddySanFran @ 3
It’s not really such a far stretch. Many of the people here at the Lake have served their country in various ways, and who better than warriors to know the proper uses and costs of war.
But, seriously, if anyone were to declare martial law or anything here in the US, I think it’d be done by contractors and the cash has already been set aside for the purpose. Neatly wrapped.
TRex @
9
I’ll second that, but with enthusiasm. :~)
These days I keep going back to Josh Marshall’s “Practice to Deceive” written way, way back in April 2003.
“Chaos in the Middle East is not the Bush hawks’ nightmare scenario–it’s their plan. “
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c.....shall.html
Don’t be shocked when military people do the right thing. Think about what some former military men, such as Hagel, Murtha, Webb, Kerry, Kerrey, Al Gore (!) and Max Cleland, have been saying. Remember that General Pace openly contradicted Rumsfeld on camera on a few occasions, and let’s don’t forget that LCDR Charles Swift, of Hamden fame, was a military lawyer (until he was sandbagged by the Navy, but that just underscores how devoted to the ideal of justice Swift was). When my son, a Marine JAG, joined the CT Civil Liberties Union, one of its members asked him how a warrior could also be a civil libertarian. My son’s answer says it all. He said: “I’ve taken an oath to die for the constitution if I have to, how about you?”
If push comes to shove, I can only hope (along with Digby) that some patriotic Naval Officers with conscience and honor, faced with illegal Preznitial orders to launch nuclear cruise missles from their carrier groups against Iran, will find a way to simply refuse. Because if they do NOT refuse, they will be setting off Mutual Assured Destruction. Maybe not that day, maybe not the next, but someday soon.
Digby, one of the things that freaks me out is that congress, as you put it, “can’t even pass a toothless resolution against the “surge” in less than a couple of months’.
Hear, hear! And I cannot see what is holding them up. I don’t think it’s just incompetence. My momma used to say, “Where there’s a will there’s a way.” It seems they can find no way, so I assume they have no will. So, if they aren’t trying to stop the war, what are they trying to do? Any thoughts on this?
Wouldn’t it be great if the Higher Ups in our armed forces refused illegal orders!
I want a footnote for that. *g*
Per CNN, al-Sadr has flown the coop to Iran.
And he thinks he’s safer there?
S.O.S. in MA @
5
Right.
It’s a COMPOUND FRACTURE.
I should probably be clear that my rather ironic trepidations about the generals do not come from the idea that I think generals are bad people. It’s because our system of government is based on the idea of civilian rule.
I’ve never in my life actively hoped that the military fails to follow the civilian leadership. But then I’ve never been in a position where the civilian leadership was certifiably nuts either.
And hi everybody!
Balrog @ 22
Oh jeez, what a crock. So, Iran is so evil they’re supplying all sides with ammo/cash/ieds. (some unnamed sao’s say)
Smells of desperation, doesn’t it? They’ll do anything to sell this pig.
Congress is full of Republicans that are trying to undermine any attempt to reign in Bush. Especially, the Senate is half GOP. Congress is a deliberative body. Nothing they do is ever fast. This is the good and bad of a democracy. Bush is still very powerful and Congress has to challenge Mr Bush in a way that gets the results we want which is out of Iraq. Rash actions could end up giving Bush more rather than less support for his Iraq policy. We already saw the Republicans block debate in the Senate. Pelosi and the House are stepping in to start the process. This was never going to happen overnight. Unloading on the Congressional Dems when it is Bush and the Republicans in Congress that are blocking progress in counterproductive. We should be unloading on the Republicans in Congress for blocking progress.
digby @ 24
Hi back atcha, digby! Thanks for being here, and writing such an urgent message for us.
What was the name of that paper Colin Powell (it was Powell, IIRC) was involved with, presented to the War College, about a coup led by the military to restore constitutional order?
Kathy @ 20
I am sure that every general and admiral in this counry has considered the scenario of a revolt, of mutiny or military coup. It’s done around the world, throughout history as well as in books and movies.. They’d be really dumb if they hadn’t ever considered the situation happening for real. I hope and pray that on that day the generals are like Terry Kindlon’s son.
Speaking of attacking Iran, how are the American people supposed to finance the war machine if they shut the government down for an inch of snow?
A Clean Break?
not one of these warhawks has a clean beak.
urban pirate @
25
Tomorrow’s video of al-Sadr stumbling out of the Baghdad Hard Rock Cafe will receive NO coverage by the MSM.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 29
Ah, but you notice Congress and the lawyers (and the Court) kept on working…
The respective armed services commities of the House and Senate should call the Joint Chiefs and the head of Centcom in front of them. The Generals should be reminded in the strongest possible terms that their oaths are to the Constitution and not the President, that an attack on Iran without Congressional approval would be illegal and that if they carried out illegal orders they would be subject to prosecution not only domestically, but in the Hague.
A clean break! Let’s celebrate by using secret CIA war-on-terruh money to pay for hookers!
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002565.php
oh yeah, THAT should get some cable news airtime.
OT am jumping into thread without reading yet-haven’t caught up yet.
but wanted people to know
charlie rose tonight:
Tuesday, February 13 PBS
Iranian UN ambassador Javad Zarif is interviewed.
digby @ 24
Hearty cheering from 5,358 commenters and lurkers (I checked the site meter)
tejanarusa- Good point.
TerryKindlon @
17
May your son come home whole and soon. We are all grateful for his service and appreciative of your family’s sacrifice…
There is an incredibly powerful diary over at DailyKos about a soldier who was horribly injured and disfigured in Iraq and came home to marry his fiance. Absolutely heartwrenching.
We must do everything we can to end the war in Iraq and prevent war with Iran.
I have included a link to the diary below, but I must strongly warn you that it contains links to images that will shock and haunt you. If you choose to view them, you may regret doing so.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/13/01140/8342
Seven Days in May, where the military are the good guys?
Wow.
What’s funny is that the now-infamous New York Times story read like Mossad disseminated disinformation to me. I know that to assert Israel’s role in American foreign policy is to invite the charge of anti-semitism and anti-Zionism. But I think Mearsheimer and Walt identified it clearly, and I can’t help but think after reading “A Clean Break” and the list of its authors just how deep and deleterious is Israel’s role in shaping American foreign policy.
bob @ 40
Illustrating, I think, that context does, indeed, matter….
Hi, Digby. Thanks for the post, and thanks for being here.
I think this is On Topic:
MUQTADA AL SADR, IRAQ’S MOST POWERFUL MILITIA LEADER, HAS FLED TO IRAN FEARING A U.S. AIR STRIKE, MILITARY OFFICIALS TELL ABC NEWS.
Read the complete story at:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Iraq.....id=2872953
digby @ 24
Hi Digby! Great post. I wish there was a way to create a virtual “safe house” where active duty commanders could vent and assess their options. From what I’ve read, some of these officers love their branch of the service as much as they love their own families. And I suspect they view this administration’s insanity the way we would view someone senselessly putting one of our loved ones in harms way.
Hi Digby!
Nice to see you over here.
I can think of nothing better for us dirty f*cking hippies to do between now and the 2008 elections besides
highspotlighting the similiarties between the rush to lie us into war with Iraq and the rush to lie us into war with Iran.bob @
40
Here’s one - albeit retired - of the good ones
…and BTW she’s a gal!
An Appeal to Conscience to Those Who Would Bomb Iran
US Army Reserves Colonel (Retired) Ann Wright
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And Hi Digby! 14 years of commuting by your Ocean Park mail stop - if I’d a known what great work was connected, I’d have waved.
(waving from SF…)
Everythingseemssoneat @ 29
It’s actually sleet and freezing rain. And the Feds made the right decision. Living in Washington, I’ll attest how treacherous this area can be with freezing rain.
Vanity Fair and Digby, a powerful team! I’m afraid that I’ve become a bit more cynical. I don’t actually believe this sort of thing anymore:
I think they can’t let go of all that oil under Iraq and Iran - the “oil corridor.” That’s why they went. That’s why they stayed. That’s why they’re “surging.” That’s the why of Iran. I don’t doubt that what you say is true of the idealogogue neoconservatives in the think-tanks. But I’m talking about the bottom-feeders, Dick Cheney and his pal George W. Bush.
surfk9 @ 33
It is a dilemma for the military. Their oath is to Constitution but the POTUS is the Commander-in-Chief. This is the kernel of the Ehren Watada court martial. And the military side-stepped the issue with the phony mistrial declaration
I am not sure that threatening is the way to go here — I mean, they have guns ;) — but certainly, the legal situation should be made clear. Constitutional lawyers, military lawyers, a ton of lawyers, a joint panel with Congresscritters. So they are clear about their duty wrt Legislative and Executive branches if push comes to shove. Soon would be good.
I just skimmed through the Vanity Fair article. Very depressing, not to mention frightening.
By the end of February, they will have the forces in place to attack Iran, concludes one of the article’s sources.
So we have about two weeks to get Congress/the generals/the people to stop this…
Bush and his friggin’ legacy.
His legacy is already set in stone.
WORST PRESIDENT EVER!
Find a new hobby George. This one is going to bite your whole family in the ass.
Forever.
surfk9 @ 33
Hear, Hear!
The impression here is that Bibi will be the next PM of Israel and there there will be an attack on Iran, by Israel or the Uninted States, or both. The decision, for a variety of reasons, has been made along these lines, at the highest levels.
tejanarusa @
32
… as did the FDL live-bloggers!
digby, your the top. Gracious under fire, fastidious with your facts, and intellectually honest in your presentation.
regards …
digby, I think what you may be suggesting is that war is too important to be left to the politicians… and a thank-you to IMDB:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0057012/quotes
bit of a change of context now, but I sure hope some intelligent generals out there are reaching the same conclusion…
If Cheney and Rove skate, as expected, on this Plame thing, then it’s all Iran.
Not to be a wet blanket, but
I am very uncomfortable with the idea of the military refusing to obey civilian ocntrol.
That being said, they used to regularly tell Bill Clinton that “it couldn’t be done” when he wanted to strike.
Maybe a little labor union type “work to rules” action might be OK
digby @ 24
Hi, Digby, I just had to say, gotta agree with you there. Kathy at 20 said:
and I thought, yeah, it’d be great, but it’d also be illegal and a court martial offense. It’d never hold unless many of them did it in unison, in which case it would be called a coup d’etat. I guess that’s why they call it quagmire.
from Col. Anan Wright’s Appeal:
“While refusal to drop bombs may initially draw punishment and the loss of one’s military career, those who refuse will save their soul, their conscience and will prevent another criminal action in the name of our country by the Bush administration.”
Wow.
Where was this published, Kirk?
And what excuse will the politicians use to go along with the Bush Administration decision to bomb Iran?
scory @ 48
It’s a matter of what your norm is, and response to same. I grew up (allegedly) in D.C. A quarter of an inch of snow would indeed cause the city to freak out.
We got to a level 1 here in Columbus, south of the city was level 2 (level 3 and you can be arrested for driving when only emergency vehicles should be on the road).
So. That is 8 inches of accumulation, and freezing rain (I walked home from work as usual, but couldn’t shut the dumbrella…it had a frozen cap. so I just left it in the hallway to thaw).
Kirk murphy- “14 years of commuting by your Ocean Park mail stop - if I’d a known what great work was connected, I’d have waved.”
That brings back memories, tower 26 off of Ocean Park was my favorite Dogtown surf spot.
looseheadprop @
44
If he was fearing an air strike, wouldn’t he go to Ibiza and not Iran?
though i’m fearing an air strike, and the consequences?
Digby:
Sounds positively third-wordly, doesn’t it?
Oh, for a good palace revolt!
Ministers! To the heli-pad!
(Ahh, but what I wouldn’t give to see a moving van pulling up to the White House, ala 1974… a prison bus would be preferred, though…)
Dodd is telling us on “Hardball” that he’s very skeptical on administration calls to attack Iran.
The ’surge’ was probably always intended as reinforcements, force protection against repurcussens from the pre-ordained attack against Iran.
Protect the supply lines running through Shia dominated southern Iraq, protect the green zone from being overrun,
strafe Sadr city from the air, thats your surge.
Now I thought that referencing “A Clean Break” got one laughed out of the room as a conspiracy theorist, and the moderators got all excited and started purging posts.
Is it ok to mention “The PNAC said what America needed was “a new Pearl Harbor.””
(from Juan Cole, http://www.juancole.com/2005/0.....e-and.html)
I hope they don’t think the need another new Pearl Harbor as pretext for their attack on Iran, and I hope people who recognize the unprecedented evil in power in most other respects like corruption, civil liberties, theft of elections, will take a re-appraisal of the official myths of 9-11.
Senator Chris Dodd on Hardball: I am very skeptical about this drumbeat for war [speaking about the device press-conference briefing in Baghdad, and General Pace’s comments]
more, please, Senators….
looseheadprop @ 57
I hope I’m not being fractious, but under our system no person is above the law, and the officers swear to uphold the Constitution. Article VI ensures that international treaties have the force of law in the US; numerous international treaties bind the US to eschew wars of aggression,
From this perspective, I see the senior military officers as a bulwark against an illegal and unConstitutional order bu the Executive branch, so I’m at peace with the prospect of the military asserting the primacy of the Cosntitution over that of a specific illegal invasion.
But that’s just me, and what do I know about international or military law?
Olbermann is critical of the House on Iraq.
I don’t remember the bloke’s actual name, but I read recently that the most recent or a former UK ambassador to the US was asked what was the over-riding force in US foreign policy, and the fellow said simply “Israel”. At the end of the day, its all about Israel (plus big corporation free trade rights and big oil - my two cents on the subject). It explains Joe Lieberman and how he got re-elected, it explains the Clinton’s tacit support of Lieberman, it explains the neocons, it explains so much.
I really don’t know what to suggest we do. I believe in Israels’ right to exist, but holy Christ, Israel’s intractable hold on American foreign policy may lead to a Dr. Strangelove ending - one big mushroom cloud.
What are we going to do? The longer we wait the more difficult it will be to get out of this mess. Have you seen MONTY PYTHON’S THE MEANING OF LIFE, when the grim reaper is telling the americans at the dinner table that they talk too much? Maybe we need more action and less babble. Lets do something.
The only thing standing between us and possible world war is the Democrats. Somewhat scary perhaps.
tejanarusa @ 59
Merde! I dropped the link - mea culpa.
Col Wright’s article is on truthout.
Hope you guys are ok with the limited info I blogged today. It was an overwhelming experience. I am learning to limit the amount of overwhelm in my life so I can keep what’s left of my mental equilibrium. Back in the saddle tomorrow. Til then,
Love and cookies,
—————-egregious
Not really OT:
Wow again - I just got an email from Ned Lamont (still on the email list from my measly contribution last summer) - urging signing on as a “citizen co-sponsor” of Sen. Dodd’s bill to restore Habeas Corpus.
Or is that just something that would make us feel like we did something, without having any effect? What do y’all firepups think?
Re #76 — Limited, shmimited, Egregious. Nice woik! :)
Lady Bug @ 72
Very persuasive.
kirk murphy- “14 years of commuting by your Ocean Park mail stop - if I’d a known what great work was connected, I’d have waved.”
That brings back memories. Tower 26 off of Ocean Park used to be my surf spot/Dogtown hang out when I lived there.
looseheadprop @ 58
The military should never, never be put in this position. Our president abuses our military by sending them out a ill-equipped to fight an ill-planned and illegal war of aggression. Then we abuse them by expectimg them to rescue us? Last I knew there were still three branches of government. We should be making our elected representatives perform their duties of oversight. BushCo pulls fast one after fast one and Congress is outeverythinged every time. And don’t get me started on the Supreme Court’s dereliction of duty!
That said, I sure hope they rescue us, since it doesn’t appear that Congress is going to arrive in time.
Digby:
Yes, the big thinkers who decided that they had to fix the economy that had three surpluses in a row, by taking the government apart at the seams. And then their big idea was to put America (the world’s only remaining superpower) on the map, by picking on two of the ten poorest nations on Earth, to show everyone how tough we are - an assignment in Hegemony 101 - and succeeded in turning us into a has-been third-world “power”, complete with torture and mock trials.
Nothing like thinking big, huh, boys?
The President Clouseau administration, I presume?
God better not take them in, come the Rapture, because you know what they could do to Heaven, don’t you?
And, oh, what they would do to a wet dream!
egregious @ 76
Sometimes I become concerned about my various cuzzins. Perhaps I am over reacting here?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 66
Skeptical, how? As in bad idea, or as in they won’t do it.
Jonathan Alter reminds me of Charlie Brown.
Oh one more thing about this month’s Vanity Fair. The one article no one is talking about on the blogs is the one about the ex-Hollywood agent Pat Dollard and his creation of a pro-Iraq war documentary. A spell-binding article, it illustrates how fucking-apeshit-voices-in-the-head-muli-personality -disorder-sadisticly-hungry-for-death-and-torture these sick right wing fucks are. A monster raving loony racist drug addict, Dollard is now the favorite child of Roger Ailes of Fox, Ann Coulter and other right wing enablers with money. These people are simply twisted, bits of human beings and the Iraq war has sadly given them a platform to project their hate and neurosis and act on behaviors that normally would put them behind bars or in the loony bin.
I don’t know guys, I don’t put it past these dumb fuckers to take a punch at Iran. If they do however, it will be the end of the Fredo administration and the Republican party for a long long time.
Every Shiite in Iraq will become hostile, and we will lose many lives. It’ll make the Chosin Reservoir look like a stroll in the park.
EPU’d, but relevant. The Iran war pimps have a tough row to hoe.
HotFlash @ 84
Good question. “Won’t do it”. That is the bottom line.
tejanarusa @ 76
Can’t hoit. And if it only takes 3 minutes there’s still lots of time to do whatever else we can, whatever that is.
kirk murphy @ 69
I agree it’s a difficult analysis. But for the entire history of this country, the military has been subordinate to the civilian command.
However, that is not to say they should not speak up. They are Hatch Act employees and are somewhat constrained in the forums and manner in which they can speak, but still they can get their shots in.
The REAL PROBLEM is Congress!
We control freaking Congress and can’t even get a quick and dirty NON BINDING resolution
WTF?
egregious @ 75
Luvin’ you back EG
I don’t think the Bush Administrations arguments for global hegemony stand up to rational scrutiny.
My favorite Gen. Buck Turgidson line is: “Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops.”
What is so odd today is that this is the way the civilian leaders are talking to the military ones.
Oh, that’s real winter weather! I grew up in Portland, OR, and every few years we would have what was called as “silver thaw” — which meant everything was covered by between a half and two inches of ice.
The only way you could travel was to have either studded snow tires or chains on all four wheels of your car. Fun stuff.
Washington’s weather hysteria just makes me laugh — and stay out of the way of everyone else.
bowing to the Oracle of Santa Monica . . .
hey Digby, thank