Via Thers at WhiskeyFire, we are alerted to the fact that (at last!) Joe Klein has had a brain-wave about why us damn lefty bloggers are so mean and have such dirty, dirty mouths. It's (gasp!) because of the Right!
As a newcomer to this blogging business, I've been interested in the Edwards dust-up. As readers know, I've been critical of the tone of the left-wing blogosphere in the past.
We understand that, Joe. It's because we hate America and all. But we're willing to look past that long enough for you to impart this critical knowledge that you have recently obtained, oh bold and intrepid purveyor of truthiness:
But I think that Yglesias raises an important point here and anyone reading the comments section of any Swampland post knows that troglyditic right-wing cavedwellers fester there, in a vomitously vile manner, too.
What? There are brainless attack-morons on the Right? You don't say!
Klein details an experience he had when he left the DC bubble and turned on the thingy that makes noise and pretty music in the dashboard of his (What do you call it? Oh, yes!) rental car.
And I'd add this: Radio. I was driving into Springfield, Ill last night for the Obama festivities and caught the ever-vile Sean Hannity "interviewing" the even-more-vile Dick Morris about Hillary. Just disgraceful...and they were mild compared to the crap I've heard from Rush and others over the years.
You should get out more, Kleiny. The shit is everywhere. Ever heard of this thing called Fox News? KSFO Snuff Radio? Hello?!
It's obvious that the current level of vitriol on the left is a reaction to nearly twenty years of sewage emanating from Rush et al.
Well, congratulations, Mr. Klein. Provided with a map, detailed instructions, a flashlight, and both hands, you have finally, finally successfully found your own ass. Next we're going to work on teaching you to chew with your mouth closed, read without moving your lips, and tie your own Stacy Adams saddle oxfords.
But please, oh newly minted Master of the Obvious. By all means, go on.
It's also a product of the times: There's a whole generation of people who believe that serious political discourse consists of Pat Buchanan and Eleanor Clift screaming at each other. The intemperance on the left has three other sources (1) justifiable fury over the Bush adminstration
Yes!
(2) justifiable fury over the way the media treated Clinton and, to a certain extent, Bush
Yes, yes!
and (3) ideologues of any sort tend to be obnoxious.
You know, you were close there, Joe, but you had to blow it on the dismount. Sure, ideologues are obnoxious, but you know what's more obnoxious? When a condescending middle aged fuck like yourself with no moral compass tries to wade into a fierce ideological battle that we've been here waging for years and then tells us that we don't love our country and that we don't know how to fight.
The trouble is, obnoxious doesn't win you many friends or elections.
Oh, well, then by all means, we should fall back on the pre-2006 election plan of continually getting date-raped by Republican "bipartisanship", swallowing Right Wing narratives whole, and rooting for blinkered, moronic tools like Joe Lieberman? That sounds like a great plan, Mr. Klein! When and how shall we ever start?
Oh, right. That old wheeze you pompous trad-media farts seem to prize so highly, "civility".
Now, being civil doesn't mean you can't call a fool a fool. It's means you can't call a fool "a wet turd of a human fart." (A sobriquet employed by my favorite character in Primary Colors, Libby Holden.)
How lame is that? He reaches back to his own slanderous, pseudonymous, anti-Clinton hit piece of a book to wag his finger condescendingly at me.
Vileness is fun, but it's kid fun--and there is very important business to be transacted in the next few years. And promising candidates like John Edwards don't need to be weighed down by the ill-considered anger of their supporters.
You hear that, you dirty punks with your stupid blogs? All the hundreds of thousands of dollars you raised for the 2006 elections, the sharp increase in the number of young people interested in politics, and the seizure by force which this blog and others have led in the media narrative regarding the Libby case, all that? It's kid stuff.
Clearly, we need to all take our cues from our Uncle Joe. It's much more polite to lay back and smile when you're being raped by the Right. It hurts less than if you fight back. And by all means, you should stab other liberals in the back and spare no opportunity to belittle the True Believers. Political commentary is obviously a dirty, dirty business that should be left to dirty, dirty white men who have a wealth of experience knuckling under and selling out. Why not? It's worked so well in the past!
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TREX!!!!!
Fitz!
I’ll be seeing him tomorrow.
Any messages?
Gee, my second #1 today! Must be living right!
How are you this fine night Trex?
egregious,
You go get them tomorrow! The Eyes of FDL’ers will upon you!
Ha! Thanks, from this Marblehead, MA native.
AZ Matt @
4
Indeed! See if you can stare down Libby. Make him flinch. Take a sharp-edged paperweight in your purse in case you need to get his attention.
Provided with a map, detailed instructions, a flashlight, and both hands, you have finally, finally successfully found your own ass.
Umm, in Joke Line’s case, I think GPS and magnetic resonance imaging were also involved, but, maybe he’ll get a tv series out of it, “Epiphanies `R Us,” something like that…. :)
Save it, Trex, the man doesn’t deserve any consideration, not even rancor.
Read any good Dickens lately?
“Vileness is fun, but it’s kid fun–and there is very important business to be transacted in the next few years. “
So you dirty hippes pipe down, k?
yakass.
Marblehead–the object of so many jokes.
Endicott Peabody was the only Massachusetts governor to have four towns named after him: Endicott, Peabody, Marblehead and Athol.
TREX! There you go, being all civil and complementing Klein when he gets something right. Not that Klein will notice, of course. Or that he got very much right. At lease he’s finally noticed the right has a massive anger management problem.
How much of a smug bastard to you have to be to quote a character from a book you wrote to make a point??!?!?@?!?
Seriously. And a “wet turd of a human fart” is pretty bush-league snark, the kind of thing Ace at Ace of Spades would dine out on for a week, but for connoisseurs like moi-self, it’s pretty Open Mic Night stuff.
TRex for the win!
It may not always be civil, the truth. Sometimes, it’s harsh and abrasive.
It’s still the truth.
I throw up a little in my mouth everytime I see that t*rd on the tube. Thanks for the throw down of Kle*n. I wish I could do that!!! I think I love you.
egregious @ 2
Just whistle “It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas” as he walks by, and see if it elicits at least a smile!
Jeebus TRex, you musta been eating your Wheaties today!
Ripping Joke Line a new asshole is totally appropo since his head is busy occupying his 1st one.
Give Joe credit, he did nail this one.
OK, that’s enough.
Putz!!!
cebm @ 14
Nothing to it.
I’ll be offering a weekly course in the spring.
That reminds me. I’m starting yoga in the morning.
They had to get an extra big mat for me.
Anyone who co-blogs with Ana[l] Marie Cox has nothing to say about civility in the blogosphere. Watching her morph from a buttsex-obsessed DeeCee outsider to a TIME.com blog-personality has revealed something terribly flawed in their hiring. Oh — Sully, too.
TRex @ 19
Just remember to take your nap in the afternoon too.
Holy Sh*t Dude. Diatribe or Manifesto? Either way , I think you let him have it.
Hey, TRex, you heard about Amanda, right?
Tell me Joe Klein posted that “how i learned to brush my teeth” on his blog at Time.
Tomorrow, it’s “I disovered my putz” and the next day it “Boy have penises and girls have vaginas.”
Tell me, are ther no more qualified people that Joe Klien to right from the center left?
a “wet turd of a human fart” is pretty bush-league snark (Posts our saurian host)
Would you prefer the snark I heard from an engineer who had spent too many years at sea:
“A festering colonic abcess”?
Brilliant! Too bad you’re the dirty left and all, or you might have a nice little career in writing.
Careful on the yoga mat. Don’t want to tear it, first day out, with your talons.
Been doing some thinking about linking.
Better get to bed now. Not sure what tomorrow will bring–we’re forecasted to get up to 11 inches of show by tomorrow night. Work is scheduled to start a bit later than usual, and they’re leaving open the possibility that we could get sent home early.
Mainly because last Tuesday the snow hit right before rush hour, and the drive was a disaster for a lot of people.
Central Ohio doesn’t do snow very well.
Hey, Joe Klein is my pal…
I’m more of a lurker than a commenter, so please forgive me - but something has been bothering me all day. Maybe a bit off-topic, but it does deal with wingnuts.
Today at work I was working alongside a couple of wingnuttish women. One of them started out the day very upset that the Dixie Chicks had won all of those Grammy awards (”they’re un-Amurrican!!” she sez) and then she couldn’t exactly remember what had started all the anti-Chicks sentiment in the first place, until I ’splained it to her. Later on she was on the internets and got it into her head to check into Barack Obama and his alleged attendance at a madrassa (sp?) in his youth. She proceeded to hold forth about Muslims and Islam in general, and how she would never trust a Muslim to hold any kind of office. I’d had enough by that point and I asked her “If I were a Muslim, would you speak to me?” Her reply was that she would deign to speak to me, but she would not trust me to run the country.
Was I out of line in asking that question?
Thanks, and back to lurking :-)
TRex in a YOGA class?? Man, I’d pay to see that.
As for Joke Line, you had to know what he was building up to, right? He’s done it before…yes, the dirty fucking hippies have a point, but they’re so…so…UNCIVIL.
Oh. Muh. Gawd.
The humanity, the humanity!!
Dial 911 and get an ambulance, stat!!
Somebody just beat some sense into Joke Line with a cluestick!! Oh, I hope it leaves a mark!!
But before the ambulance arrives, give Joke Line one more hefty smack along the softer side of his head with that cluestick for his comment about Eleanor Clift. Eleanor’s never been able to get a word in edgewise on McLaughlin’s wretched show.
And after that last whack on Joke Line’s soft spot, give the cluestick to Eleanor with instructions to do the same thing to that hosebag McLaughlin. For starters.
John Amato @ 28
I am sure the Betty Ford Clinic can help you.
8)
Neil @
24
Hey Joe, Neil’s got your number and, oh yeah, here’s a news flash fer ya: Anna Nicole Smith: Still Dead! but Al Gore ain’t…
I’d be very careful hangin’ in SwampLand like yer are ya might get a baaaaaad case fungus.
In the worst possible place.
John Amato @ 28
For real? Why does he come off like a sanctimonious Joe, telling progressives how they should should express themselves?
Neil @ 33
Because that’s the only kind of “democrat” TradMed will allow on that side of the teevee camera. Also see: Lieberman, Joe.
LoudounLib @ 29
I dunno, I think the only approach to these people is to explain things slowly and carefully like you’re explaining it to a kindergarten kid. That’s how Fox News gets them hooked. It’s news that requires no thought, no independent cognition. The sooner we allow for that in our discussions with Conservatives, the faster we can win over hearts and minds.
Cookies and punch help reinforce the positive message, by the way.
Cookies and punch, TRex? Like Hawaiian Punch?
;-)
Here and I’ve been using Datil Pepper Sauce on the converted, to wipe out the cloying taste of Kool-Aid…
Rayne, If you want to wager I would bet the farm Eleanor would take that stick right past McLaughlin and whoop up on Blankley in a heartbeat. Either way I would pay good denero to Pat if I could see it..)
Ugh. Going to be time to go soon and I am soooooo unenthused about going to the grocery store tonight.
I need staff. Can you still be a socialist if you have a butler, maid, and cook?
Rayne. Elenor’s been doing pretty well expressing herself for a while now. Blankley baits her to no end. Sometimes McLaghlin has to tell Blankley to behave. I dislike Buchannan’s politics but he brings a fair and well articulating perspective. What I like about John is that he’s covers the big issues and assumes there is a right answer: he’s the SHIT in shit or get off the pot.
I need staff. Can you still be a socialist if you have a butler, maid, and cook?
Sure, as long as you live in the guest house.
TRex @ 38
Sure - just call it a commune ;-)
TRex @ 37
I’m sure there are bourgeois socialists somewhere. Pay `em living wage, though.
TRex @ 36
Yes, but only if you pay them really well. :)
Groceries can wait Trex. Lay some more of that snark on us.
I think El Gato Negro ate my comment *chomp*
Thanks again for the laughs TRex, you do it so well.
As far as “civil language” goes, I still think Jon Stewart’s reaction to Condoleezza Rice’s admission as to what the title of the August 6th PDB was “Osama bin Laden determined to attack in US” was vastly, hugely, enormously better than all of the usual bland, newsreaders reactions put together. Stewart nearly fell off his chair and stared in wide-eyed astonishment and blurted “WHAT?!?!?” I mean, that was a reaction!!!
Ahh, keep yer civil discourse! I’d rather have a real response by a real person!
Hence the world of Blogging.
Civil discourse, my ass. To Joke Line and wingers “civil discourse” means “shut up and nod when I lie”.
TRex @ 36
I live a life with similarities to the day you described above. It’s frustrating because I try to appeal to their reason and intellect and it doesn’t work, even though these are educated “with-it” kind of people.
Every now and then I’ll lose my cool and go on a rant, which by some random luck seem to come off as articulate. It freezes them in their tracks and somehow I gain some respect which I’m not even sure the rant deserves.
The moral of the story: form over substance, regardless of political persuasion. Just listen to Joe Klein if you doubt me.
SusanD @ 44
Amen!!
Okay, really, I’m outta here. See you guys in about an hour.
Sweetgumroot @ 47 - no I don’t doubt you in the least. Form over substance - excellent!
Patrick Healy on Charlie Rose, talking about Obama. Wonder how soon Healy will want to get into Michelle Obama’s panty drawer.
(this is the dude who writes the obsessive articles about how many nights a year Bill & Hill spend together.)
Neil (40) — we’ll have to agree to disagree. Just watched last week and McLaughlin not only let everyone else shout over Eleanor, he barked over her himself.
I have yet to see her get a square deal on that show ever. Other programs, yes, Ms. Clift has been able to express herself, but never on McLaughlin.
I do wish she’d use “the voice” once in a while, to put a stop to it. You know what voice I’m talking about, the one where your mother can stop you dead in your tracks and your backside puckers up out of fear. That one. Works.
Political discourse in America makes me want to wash my Slim-Fast down with a few shots of methadone.
-GSD
It is so heartening to spend some time with so many like-minded people. FDL rocks….long may you run!
Loudonlib,
Don’t be afraid to offend. Many Republicans are authoritarian worshippers….so when you bark back they put their tail between their legs.
Most of my conservative friends don’t talk politics with me because I make them look foolish….They really don’t like it when you back up yourself with facts and they really, really don’t like it when you throw their words back at them.
-GSD
“and (3) ideologues of any sort tend to be obnoxious”
Joe Klein is a Centrist Ideologue.
Watching Mark Halperin makes me crave bacon.
Jonathan Alter: Women hugely support Hillary, which is interesting because historically there’s no pattern of women hugely supporting women candidates.
Mark Halperin: Hillary is morphing into Bob Dole.
GSD @ 57
Thanks GSD, good stuff. I’d forgotten to mention that while the Obama discussion was going on, another coworker had joined us in the section - a black man. He and I both tried to lay out the truth, unfortunately with little effect. But we’ll keep on pushing.
TRex
As always you ROCK.
Not to kiss up to much, But I’m thinking you nailed this one.
Loudonlib,
If the woman is a Christian conservative tell her you think that George W. Bush is the false prophet anti-Christ the bible talks about and that the gigantic US embassy being built in Baghdad is the new Temple of Babylon.
-GSD
***!!!Rawrr!!!*** **!!!Chomp, Chomp, Chomp!!!**
T-Rex,
muchas gracias for thees post, after hearing the news about Amanda, thees was a welcome pick-me-up.
so.
There is something so pathetic and unpleasant about hearing Charlie Rose say “blow”. As in, “Obama did marijuana, he did…(gesticulating wildly)….blow….”
Just to prove once again that blogs often are a more reliable source of information than the mainstream media, because blogs are constantly peer-reviewed…
The photo for this post is NOT from Marblehead, MA, which has an iron lighthouse. The image in the photo is apparently a stone lighthouse on Lake Erie, or some such place. You can see the two different Marblehead lighthouses here.
GSD @ 63
Oh, snap! Brilliant!!
Oh yeah, Slippery Mitt Romney kicks off his campaign with a nod to noted anti-Semite Henry Ford.
Now he’s lost the Jews and the evangelicals.
-GSD
Sparkles the Iguana @ 60
That must confuse the shit out of Liddy Dole, huh? :)
montag @ 69
Only if she’s still dressing him. (The paralyzed arm and all…)
Ahhh… Remember how you cheered when the Tyrannosaurus Rex in Jurassic Park ate the soul-less lawyer?
I love coming to FDL to get the occasional dose of Romanesque rush, watching you eviscerate the walking, breathing black holes that are sucking all the life force out our beautiful Democracy! -Thanks T!
Hi everyone.
GSD @ 64
Oh, well. I didn’t expect Mitt to go far anyway. Too many other “true conservatives” in the race already.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 60
They are all excited — Steve Croft said it last nite on 60 Minutes — because their bosses never let them say “blow job” during the Great Fellatio Crisis of the Nineties. Now they can say “blow,” quoting Obama’s first book, and not get yelled at by the boss.
Mike Allen with another fawning piece about Karl Rove. Mike Allen makes Jeff Gannon look like I.F. Stone.
-GSD
GSD @ 68
This might have other origins. George Romney was in tight with the Detroit boys, so this might be considered some sort of homage to his father’s legacy (whatever the hell that was).
The unfortunate fact of Detroit is that most industrialists of the time were deathly afraid of unions, and chose to conflate them with communism–and if Adolf and fascism were against communism, by gum, that was good enough for them.
Ford gets all the historical notice for being a friend of the Nazis, but, history often forgets that a senior executive of General Motors, James Mooney, was awarded a similar medal for his “distinguished services to the Reich” not long after Ford got his.
Truth is, almost every big company in this country was either sympathetic toward Nazis because of fear of communism or anxious to do business with them for the money to be made. Brown Brothers Harriman did a bang-up business through Prescott Bush’s Union Bank Corp. representing the likes of Standard Oil, DuPont, I.G. Farben, etc.
Ford was just the most obvious of a lot of industrialists in his support for Hitler.
Rich @ 61
Wow, TRex is a dirty-talker and inaccurate. There goes that cushy job with the Edwards campaign….
Someone should tell Charlie Rose that Bush’s preferred term for blow was Peruvian Marching Powder.
-GSD
“Ford was just the most obvious of a lot of industrialists in his support for Hitler.”
Hence the criticism.
-GSD
GSD @
68
Good for the Jewish Democrats for slamming him on this. Let’s see if it gets the publicity Donohue got.
Wow.
Right ficking on, T. Excellent post.
(although it will be dismissed because you said fuck.)
GSD @ 72
awol dust
EvilDrPuma @ 72
Rahm Emmanuel was backing Romney?
Just had time to read TRex! One of the best!
I’ve been working on tomorrow’s lecture. Here’s the Hungry Toad video. Kinda made me think of Joke Line. But, then again, TRex is probably the Scot, and Joke Line is probably the insect. Enjoy (if you wish) here
montag @
69
I doubt Liddy cares much, but I wonder what the BigDog thinks? And what will all those reporters say about Hillary’s panty-drawer when they find it full of pencils and Viagra?
I can’t believe we got through that Charlie Rose without Patrick Healy mentioning Michelle Obama’s panty drawer.
Anybody know why Swopa’s site is down (needlenose)? At least it is for me.
The Libby trial today depressed me. Smoke, smoke — worried me about a hung jury decision, if one person can’t get clear through all the noxious gas.
GSD @
74
Howie Kurtz called Mike Allen one of politico.com’s “smart hires” in his column. nuff said.
Valley Girl @ 83
What happens if they put Hungry Toad on the treadmill with Pissed-Off Kitty?
not that we need any more traffic from fdl today, but pudentilla blogged about joke line’s post over at skippy, and we added this editoral note:
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We have a hat-trick of aircraft carriers nearing the coast of Iran.
USS Ronald Reagan heading for the Persian Gulf.
-GSD
TeddySanFran @ 86
I won’t be able to make up my own mind until I know what Betsy’s Page has opined.
Patrick 4/4 @ 84
Hmmm…. I’ll have to work on that one! xxoo
George Romney’s legacy is the Rambler American.
GSD @ 89
“Ronald Reagan heading for the Persian Gulf”–because they always return to the scene of the crime.
Montag @ 75…
Ford stood out from run of the mill anti-semites of his day, like Bush’s relatives.
Remember Ford published the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and turned the Dearborn Independent into a lightening rod of anti-semitism. I admire Ford in many ways, but his Jew-hatred was quite wacky and extreme.
Mitt Romney’s legacy is the slick-haired, smooth talking, flip-flopping, carpet-bagging, Bay Stater.
-GSD
GSD @
90
That’s a nice bit of symmetry, what with all the talk at the Libby trial about the flight of AirForceTwo to the christening of this same warship. I bet they are excited to use it!
GSD @ 78
No argument with that assessment–of Ford. Mitt is a twit, so, his intentions may have been more benign than the presumed historical implications suggest. He’s more likely to have forgotten the history (if he ever knew it) in favor of something to do with his father’s ill-fated (and deservedly so) run for the presidency.
This is one of those things that Romney himself likely never thought about, knew about, cared about–like Reagan getting it into his head that an SS cemetary at Bitburg was a great place for a speech….
VG… Heard you on the Peter B. Collins show Friday when I was driving around Phoenix… ;)
Conan:
Tiger Woods is to….
#1 in driving
as Lisa Nowak is to….
#2 while driving.
TRexxxxxxxx!!!
katymine @ 95
Oh Dear! ET said he heard too! Please tell me I didn’t sound like a raving whacko!
edit p.s. I have NEVER phoned into a radio show before!!!
I can’t access Needlenose either.
Monty,
I don’t think Mitt was sending a coded message, unlike Reagan’s campaign kicker-off in Philadelphia, Miss.
It is indicative of just how much of hack old Mitt is though.
-GSD
Valley Girl @ 101
No more than the rest of us :)
I call all the time locally. I know the local guys personally and just last week I called into the Sam Sedar show when he had a segment on global warming.
Actually, you sounded very reasonable. Peter B. has been getting updates from Jason Leopold from TruthOut about the trial so his view is NOT as crystal clear as what is found HERE! That is why his questions for Christy were all over the place.
GSD @ 104
Yeah, that’s probably it. I just try not to create a context around something that may be artificial. There’s no other indication of Mitt being either openly or secretly anti-Semitic that I know of. If and when he says something that tends in that direction, his choice of location for the kick-off of his campaign becomes more suspect.
Reagan’s roots were in California, so his choice of location stuck out like a sore thumb.
now I understand why light emanates from Joke Line’s throat when he opens his yap.
GSD @ 103
I’m inclined to give Romney the benefit of the doubt as well, but Eric Fehrnstrom is doing his employer no favors by rattling off his prepared patter about innovation and entrepreneurial spirit while ignoring the substance of the criticism. If this still looks like it could be a coded message, it’s because of that bit of smoke-blowing.
punaise @ 106
I’m starting to understand why he unzips his fly to watch TV.