
Arianna Huffington has a very gracious way of being persistently persistent that gets deeply under the skin of people like John McCain, who has earned much fame for seeming like a "nice guy" without actually bothering to be one. It was a short trip to Snippy Town for the Straight Talk Express when the two met up in Davos:
Toward the end of the conversation, I raised my hand and asked McCain:
"Given that you've said that you are 'scared to death that it's going to be a very hot spring in Afghanistan,' and given that you have also said, repeatedly, that only a substantial increase in troops in Iraq would make a real difference, why not send the 21,000 troops headed to Iraq, in what is clearly an act of desperation, to Afghanistan instead?"
During his response, McCain equated those opposing his position with "the far left."
"Do you consider Sam Brownback part of the far left?" I jumped in.
The Senator flared and told me that if I'd only let him finish his answer instead of interrupting, we could have "a civil discussion."
If there were a drinking game where you take another shot every time a wingnut tried to shut down criticism of themselves by claiming the loony left was being "uncivil" again, granted we'd all be too bombed to blog. But it sounds like McCain is going to be called upon to invoke this threadbare mantra more and more again in the upcoming months as he tries to escape the political cooties of the unpopular kid who just won't quit following him around and aping his war fashion stylings. Now, as Digby notes, every time McCain opens his mouth in hopes of distancing himself from Bush's war policy, the sad bastard is right up against him in the locker room:
Bush called his bluff and John Edwards very astutely immediately began calling it The McCain Escalation Doctrine.
He's since tried to distance himself from Bush by saying that he really meant 30,000 or that Bush wasn't honest about the situation on the ground or that we need benchmarks.
President George W. Bush met privately with House Republicans on Friday and agreed to an alternative resolution to set "benchmarks" for progress in his plan to send more troops to Iraq, party officials said.
McCain is palpably chaffing as he scrambles to find some way, any way to keep his political hopes alive by making hawkish proposals he thinks nobody will ever try to implement. His plans are meant to sound good rather than be actual solutions, but he's turned into some kind of inverse ISG for Bush, who doesn't seem to have the kind of "daddy issues" with McCain that he does with James Baker. And McCain gets stuck defending a war policy in a way that is making him increasingly uncomfortable. He's certainly not passionate about defending it to the point where he welcomes the intrepid questioning of those like Arianna Huffington, who closed with this:
Suddenly, with McCain out of the room, the debate in the room shifted away from Iraq and onto McCain's temper - with the consensus being summed up by Anatol Kaletsky of the London Times: "It appears that his short fuse will become a problem for him during the campaign."
Get yer cell phones handy. As Arianna notes, there's a macaca born every minute.
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Fitz! Jane!! Arianna!!!
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What I want to know is what happened after 2000 to make this man so damn different. The election loss isn’t enough, is it?
cbl! Matt!
Jane !!
Spunkmeyer @ 3
That is a very good question. Was he always an ass and we just didn’t know it, because he did seem like a person of conviction. Hard to tell.
What I don’t understand is why would a politician who already has made it clear that he’s willing to prostitute away ALL of his long-held beliefs to reposition himself for the right wing base of his party (on domestic and social issues) also immediately turn around and waste ALL of the wingnut capital he’s seemingly so desperate to acquire on an utterly untenable and unpopular position on the war? It’s like McCain has some sort of penchant for self-sabotage.
Poor John, no place to run, no place to hide! A deer in the headlights!! I read Arianna’s a little bit ago and she did the type of job most reporters seem to have forgotten how to do. Great post Jane!
Cool, RBG let “the new girl” (his phrase) post again!
Spunkmeyer @ 3
You’re right, he seems decidedly worse since that time … maybe we just didn’t notice before, or desperation is setting in and he’s going increasingly off the rails?
Sounds like McCain needs some hotcakes and cabbage juice to calm him down.
What makes this Davos report especially untidy for OldLord McCain is that Arianna supported him in 2000 — the pearl-clutching about civility rings untrue when you’re speaking with your former supporter-now-turned-blogger, OldLord!!
Can we just agree that civility is for dopes? Nobody called BigTime out for civility when he interrupted Leslie’s Beard on CNN last week; by my count, that happened on every single question Wolfie asked. They play the civility card when they are on the ropes, without recourse, and wrong — expect to see it played a LOT.
Jane Hamsher @ 6
I think he found out being “a person of conviction” wasn’t going to make him President. And with his biological clock ticking, he was only going to have one more realistic shot at it.
With a choice of giving up (1) his dream of being President or (2) his convictions, he chose the latter option.
I suppose he’d say he’s only pawned them until after the election.
Has anyone else ever noticed that McCain and Oliver North have the same kind of far away, psycho look in their eyes with that golly gee Boy Scout smirk? They also both share short fuses and penchants for lying their asses off.
And for the record I am of the opinion he has always been an asshole and it was under reported due to War Hero status. People who behave like that have always been assholes and will always BE assholes. Its a condition that is not easily acquired nor lost.
Jane! Thanks for noticing! Everybody was hollering for you so I wasn’t sure you’d hear me. :)
I completely agree that he seemed like a person of conviction - I was really rooting for the guy in 2000 if only because he seemed to be what the people wanted versus what the “party” was interested in pushing.
Maybe he feels like 2008 is his LAST shot (and it probably is) to get the nomination and he’s really trying to lock it up?
Will he get it like Dole did in ‘96, just because it was his turn?
Honestly, I’m puzzled. There was a time where I would’ve voted for the guy but after his embracing of his former smear-buddy I’d rather NOT vote than vote for him.
Blub @ 7
Hard to say, really. I wonder why McCain bothers to pander to those folks. They aren’t going to respect him anyway, and they’re almost certainly not going to vote for him in any large numbers no matter what. Might as well appeal to the business types and the filthy rich. At least they’re sane, and having their respect means something to a large part of America.
McCAIN is a bullsh*t artist. He has a talent for talking about issues that people connect with and then he ALWAYS turns around and votes republican every time. He really is shooting himself in the face as Dubya one-ups each of his warmongering propositions. If lives weren’t at stake it would be laughable. McCain is flailing about like a goldfish on the kitchen floor.
While McCain is not a person I could vote for, at least he served(Almost died before he was shot down, sitting in his jet on the USS Forestal when it was hit by a missle from another aircraft on the carrier deck). It is too bad he seems to forgotten the lessons of Vietnam.
I think the the loss to Bush screwed up his head royally. Losing is something he doesn’t seem to do well.
Jane,
So nice to have you back, and even nicer to realize that your absence has not taken the edge off. You do have a way with words. Keep on truckin’…
AirportCat @
10
What’s happened since 2000 is that the shrub has poisoned the rethuglican waters beyond redemption. The mid-terms were a huge wake-up call and the war will continue to plague them through the next election. McCain, day by day, is watching his hopes and dreams being flushed down the crapper by shrub and co. IMHO, YMMV.
Jane: It makes me happy just to see your byline. Now I’ll go back up and read.
xoxox
Wlecome back Jane! Hagel does the same thing, talkin’ all big and badass and then voting like a Thug. Your words don’t mean shit to me, back them up with action. Like FireDogs do.
I still think that McCain is psychically damaged in some way, and that this damage manifests itself as a penchant for self-sabotaging behavior. Notwithstanding that fact that he already sold out his own personal moderate base for the wingnut right by the time he took a hardline on more troops.. politically cynical but imminently sane… he didn’t have to come out with his hardline “more troops” position. Even if he did feel strongly about the issue he could’ve helped himself by dressing up his argument any number of ways or just continued the more sane pattern of pandering he’s been indulging in of late. I really do think that somewhere deep down he WANTS to lose the presidency.
It was probably easier for McCain to keep his temper in check before his presidential ass-pirations got chucked in the crapper. All that’s left is for King George to give them the royal flush.
Dole and McCain were both known (and liked by the punditry and many Dems) for the rarity of being conservatives with good senses of humor. Yet both, when they finally got their shot, seemed to lose their gift for haha.
Is it just an aging process that made ‘em go crotchety? Or does the process of sucking-up-for-dollars just suck all the joy out of ‘em?
RevDeb @ 19
You know, you make an excellent point RevDeb (I hope your New Year is going great by the way). The pond McCain needs to fish in is now filled with snakeheads, very socially conservative ones. He needs the votes of those critters (Jerry Falwell as an example)so he sells out who he might of once been. I thnk now it has gone too far for him to come back to the place he might of started from.
Great post, Jane. Of course, I have a sort of vested interest, since he is my Senator. Honestly, I don’t know which is worse, John McCain or Jon Kyl.
Anyway, hope you’re feeling better. Will you still have to undergo longer term treatment? My sister needed both chemo and radiation therapy.
While McCain is not a person I could vote for, at least he served(Almost died before he was shot down, sitting in his jet on the USS Forestal when it was hit by a missile from another aircraft on the carrier deck). It is too bad he seems to have forgotten the lessons of Vietnam.
After the military, McCain became an unprincipled whore for the corporatocracy. Its verifiable by his voting record. He has been fortunate to have been a media darling because the media buys his grandstanding fanfare for the common man bullsh*t without checking his votes.
OT ~ INTERVIEW WITH ARIANNA HUFFINGTON:
http://www.spiegel.de/internat.....57,00.html
my comtempt for Joe Lieberman has grown so vast that it easily encompasses John McCain as well.
[[[[[Jane]]]]]
Hope your recovery continues and you can get to DC as planned. Looking forward to the chat with Rickie Lee Jones tomorrow.
They say as you age, you’re still yourself, only more so. John’s not getting any younger, and he’s always had a temper. Still the same, just more so!!!!
punaise @ 30
BRAVO!
punaise @ 29
That is some powerful contempt! But hey, they deserve it!
punaise @ 30
Ditto for me as well.
My contempt for Joe Lieberman and John McCain knows no bounds.
Kevin Hayden @ 25
Both. And don’t forget - cigarettes are good for you and ketchup is a vegetable.
(raising a glass of fine wine)
To Jane and Arianna!
McCain’s no worse than a lot of other rethugs, no matter how perplexed or annoyed we are by his pandering and now by his apparent political suicide. I hate him no more than I do others of his ilk, like Toothless Arlen or John “Sophistry-is-my-name” Warner. It’s liarman, the traitorous panderer-in-chief who deserves our ultimate contempt.
hey Firedogs,
some blogger(jane somebody) wrote about this site
-The REAL McCain
Cliff Schecter’s and Robert Greenwald’s blog
juicy goodness from their front page - oooh Sidney Blumenthal no less -
tearfully ??, really ?? goodness, a gal doesn’t even know where to start
No doubt Faux News will always have a warm, fuzzy feeling for John McCain! The MSM will treat him with kid gloves so it is a good thing that FDL, HuffPo, C&L, etc. are now on the lookout for BS.
The funniest thing I have read all day. Way to go. The picture started me laughing and I couldn’t stop all the way through your piece.
Janie! I truly believe that you guys are the only thing that stands between democracy and dictatorship. We in the blogosphere can comment and contribute and vote (providing it’s counted), but you and Ariana and John and Kos and Matt and the rest of the usual suspects are our “boots on the ground”. Don’t stop. Not until you can pry our Constitution from their cold, dead fingers. Metaphorically speaking of course.
Rudy Guiliani doesn’t have a chance at becoming president because he’s had three wives and numerous mistresses. His first wife was his cousin. Is it true that John McCain divorced his first wife, the one who loyally waited for him during his five years as a VietNam prisoner of war, in order to marry Cindy, who was the daughter of an Arizona millionaire? Please correct me if these aren’t the facts.
hmbnancy @ 41
It’s a suburb of Assholeville.
John McCaca!!
Just what we need in the White House. Another “mad dad”.
Blub @ 38
Orin Hatch - the sanctimonious pearl clutching hypocrite, and Huckleberry Smarty Pants are two other rethugs worthy of contempt. Liarman, though is the penultimate pain in the ass and slap in the face.
Another thing about McCain, he did suffer as a POW. None of us knows how that affected him. Does he have a sense of entitlement? Does he frustrate when opposed? Does he share the same demons as so many in public life, a need to outshine his father’s accomplishments? There’s just something so smarmy about the man…., never rang true and authentic to my ear. Also never seemed to have a great intellect, is probably smart enough to know it. On the whole, he is probably a very frustrated man, can’t really break the code. He’s just a step or two behind the play. Anyhoo, he’s gotta pick his battles more carefully, if he thinks he can intimidate Arianna, ya really gotta question the guys judgement.
Boudica @ 48
Plus, his face resembles an ass.
I said at the time to my brother who lives in CT the Joey’s victory lap was gonna be a painful one.
TRex @ 44
Very good! The 60 footer comes through again!
hey.. if Rudy gets elected president and, inevitably, does a Clinton and fails to keep his pants on, do we get to impeach him too and argue for a decade that his sexual improprieties are worse than any act of treason or constitutional violation?
maybe he’s going through the change, my mother’s answer to odd midlife behavior.
It was John McCain and Bush who blythly partied on Santa Ana Island in California just after Katrina hit. They were celebrating McCain’s birthday, two multi-millionaires totally uncaring about the people struggling or dying on the Gulf coast, while the nation was horrified. They ate birthday cake; Bushboy played the guitar.
I think the door is wide open for a surprise Republican Presidential candidate. McCain is going to be skewered from right and left, Giuliani is an Italian guy from the Big Apple who has a problematic personal history and has no chance whatsoever of carrying the South, and Romney is a lightweight. Somebody could step forward and steal the GOP nomination from this cast of bozos.
Yep. Call it a “Nero Complex”
karen allen @
54
karen allen at 54
george bush cannot play the guitar. he probably couldn’t play a one stringed instrument.
I actually worked for McCain’s campaign in 2000. (Even back in 2000, I knew Bush was major trouble.) So I made phone calls and canvassed for McCain, hoping he would win the Republican primary. I though Gore vs. McCain would be a good contest, and lead to an elevated and fairly clean Presidential campaign.
It is really sad to see what McCain has become since then. The heady days in New Hampshire, the slavishly puppy-eyed admiration of the media, and getting that close to the brass ring warped him into this sad and tragic character. He is chasing so hard after the dream, he is destroying why people liked him in the first place. His interview on MTP was painful. Not even a repub tool like Russert could help him. Sad.
Waving a big ole hand at Lady Jane from yet another motel–location, Kuttawa, KY.
A couple of points: McCain seems to be saying that he’s thinking of a number between 1 and infinity and no one can ever guess the number, even himself.
Actually, McCain has developed a begrudging mancrush on Dear Leader after he was brutally manhandled by Bush in the 2000 primaries. He probably even took notes as to how to behave to win an election, which means misbehave badly.
This mancrush probably lead to a dialogue that invokes strange memories:
“Jeepers (W)ally, let’s go escalate and junk.”
After all these years McCain is still a prisoner of war.
Sad.
Twisted Martini @ 50
OT: Hey Twisted, and any other Bloosiers in the house, I’m trying to get a blogswarm started against state Senator Brandt Hershman’s vile SJR-7 bill that is worming its way through the Indiana Senate. Its the same sex marriage ban amendment that also screws up a bunch of existing laws that extend certain legal rights to all kinds of unmarried couples of all sexual persuasions. I have a post up at my blog if you click my name here and Howie Klein wrote about it today on Down With Tyranny.
Squirrel hiller @57: Bushboy gave it a try. He can’t play the violin, either, but that Nero Complex reigns large.
Oilfieldguy at 59
“mancrush”! I wonder if John McCain is jealous of Tony Blair’s romps in the woods with W.
global yokel @ 55
Huckabee tomorrow on MTP. The roll-out begins.
Just have to smile. If McCain gets wind that Arianna & Jane are friends, and if, he happens to be chatting with Joe, our favorite Independent from Connecticut, and Joe shares some of his fond memories of his experience with Jane…well one would have to assume…John is going to realize…”foiled again!”
Blub @ 52
No. The impeachment of any republican hinders America’s ability to focus on the important issues - that would be the important issues of the day - like bankrupting the treasury, endless war, etc. B-sides America just wouldn’t have the heart for it - not after nine elva. A forgiving process followed by a healing process would be required because Rudy is a repentant and godly man by virtue of the fact that he is a republican.
Or something to that effect would be in order b/c IOKIYAR.
From Wikipedia
Hensley is the Budweiser distributorship for Phoenix. Had a young employee in AZ who was a “Hensley,” who was actually very nice and without airs.
St. John McCain is really the triangulator par excellence. If he starts to go anywhere in the Publican primary process somebody needs to dog him and call BS on him, just like Arianna. Sooner or later he’s gonna get caught on camera blowing it. Then that needs to go viral…
RevDeb
Were you in DC today?????
I think that, as a rethug, McCain had a chance to be something other than just another of Dear Leader’s enablers. That was the only thing that ever, in my mind, distinguished him from the other hypocritical rethug panderers and pimps. Now he’s just returned to their ranks.. no gain, no loss. Others, such as Hagel, now may have a shot at standing out in same way, but, frankly, I have no greater hopes for him.
And we Dems have to stop cheering anytime a rethug shows some momentary and fleeting act of conscience. I mean, to these rethugs, thanks for supporting us on this or that, and please continue to do so, but one spark of decency doesn’t redeem anybody. If any rethug really had real conviction, they’d do a Jeffords and switch parties.
AirportCat @
10
It’s not so weird if you know your history.
People do weird things when they think it will win them the ultimate prize: the White House.
George HW Bush was a relatively liberal member of the Rockefeller wing of the Republican party the first time he ran for the Presidency. He was the “balance” on the ticket with Reagan, remember… but when he ran again in 1988, he had totally sold out to the wingers. That’s what it took to get into office… and of course, they turned on him like rabid dogs in 1992, cuz he was never really one of them.
Or consider Humphrey in ‘68, backing Johnson’s Vietnam war policy until it was way too late. Humphrey had been the man who got the 1948 Democratic Convention to adopt a pro-civil rights plank, launching the modern civil rights movement (and sparking the Dixiecrat rebellion candidacy of Strom Thurmond); but by 1968 young and progressive voters only saw him as yet another establishment hack pol, because he stuck so closely to the Johnson Admin line. What a tragedy - imagine the good that could have come from a Humphrey Presidency, instead of Nixon…
And of course, Gore’s handlers in 2000 pretty much stuffed his personality in a lockbox, and it showed….
So, each party has a candidate — the “leader,” no less — who is alienating their base in order to pander to voters who’ll never accept them. McCain is trying to convince the Reichtards he’s their man, while alienating those who bought his Straight Talk Maverick Express schtick. On our side, Hillary alienates those who once would’ve crawled over ground glass to make her President, in order to attract the votes of the anti-flagburners and video-game-violence abhorers. Who’ll never vote for her, ever.
What is it about the Presidency that makes these individuals believe that portraying themselves elsewise makes a winning run? Has W completely cracked the funhouse mirror? Is 2008 Opposite-Year?
Must a winning Presidential candidate prove to the powers-that-be that they are capable of completely “re-inventing” or denying themselves in order to be President? Is this the price TradMed and the Gotbux extract from the Winner of the Free World Sweepstakes?
raven @ 68
Hey how did that go, the AP routinely did its massive underreporting of numbers, and I heard a number at Kos thrown about that said 600k. What was the real deal?
I think John McCain needs a group such as the Women in Pink who dog Hillary at every public appearance he makes. He would go ballistic.
The new Mrs. Rudy does not let that boy out of her sight. She will protect that investment. Every time she looks at him she thinks, “JACKPOT!”
global yokel @ 55
That could be why Hagel is looking into it.
Blub says:
If any rethug really had real conviction, they’d do a Jeffords and switch parties.
Ain’t it the truth! Rethugs are pure evil.
Kevin Hayden @ 25
I’ve often wondered about that, and not just with those two. While John Kerry didn’t have a big sense of humor when he got to Washington, I think he lost his center there, at least for awhile. How he could have voted for the AUMF, given his experience, is something you can’t just explain as a bad decision. He really should have known better than to give a President a blank check under those circumstances. The only conclusion I can come to is that he figured he wouldn’t be able to run for President if he voted nay.
Boudica @ 74
See yer “Jackpot,” raise you a Kerik.
And case closed, forget Hagel…it’s gonna be VP Huckabee in ‘08
what about Ahnold?
Only after the coup and subsequent suspension of the constitution….
squirrel hiller @
79
Jeb! still wants it bad; a deadlocked GOP convention could run right off a cliff: Bush/Rice 2008.
I’m still partial to Brownback/Musgrave 2008 myself….
Fun Fact: McCain had a walk on/walk right back off part in one of the early episodes of 24-season five. He carries a notebook through CTU and hands it off to a regular cast member in the conference room. No lines, no close ups.
My wife spotted him and hollered, I backed it up three times to be sure.
And even then, Tom Tancredo and the anti-furriner-rethug-branch will be waiting on the WH steps, with a shotgun…
Blub @ 80
raven @ 68
no. I was here. Would have liked to go, but getting over a 2 week throat/head/caugh thingy and it is a bit of a schlep from Boston. selise did go, though.
Bernies not going to be around, Junior just sent him to police some damned island. Maybe wants him out of the way, too embarassing for Rudy.
“Tens of thousands” in DeeCee today; no official estimate.
I haven’t read through all the comments yet, so forgive if this has already been addressed. I seem to remember back in ‘99, when everyone was sorting out who was going to get the Republican nomination, that there were ‘rumors’ about McCain’s temper. There were also rumors about his wife and kids, and ever since McCain was seen as a victim of the Bush power machine (right or wrong). But I remember having conversations with people about the rumors of his temper being a problem back then. Maybe age has made it shorter.
this was a pretty straightforward article on him from 11/05
The Nation
but even the writer doesn’t truly get what he’s faced with in St Straightalk -
torture huh ?
St Ronnie in 1980: 69 years old
OldLord McCain in 2008: 72 years old
Case closed.
Duncan Hunter/Condi Rice 2008! A winning ticket for sure!
Kevin Hayden @ 11
Wow, the Smothers Brothers - that’s a flash from the past.
Bush/Bachmann ‘08.. sorry, couldn’t resist.
Blub @ 92
All night, every night.
TeddySanFran @ 86
Not going to be an official estimate either, local cops and Park Service have been ordered not to give crowd estimates. Convenient, huh?
don’t yell at me for asking this stupid question:
is jeb bush really out of contention for 2008?
more on today’s crowd size:
OfT: punaise, thanks for the help over at tnh.
squirrel hiller @ 94
Nope.
Teddy asked:
What is it about the Presidency that makes these individuals believe that portraying themselves elsewise makes a winning run?
Consultants.
This has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.
squirrel hiller @ 95
Not if you read The Corner. They had their little shindig this weekend, and one of their gals just coudn’t stop drooling over him. So, no, they don’t think he’s out of contention. But he’ll probably sit this one out.
Ah, hope you get to feeling better. They were all over Fonda being there on the news, that oughta light up the wingnuts!
RevDeb @ 99
Those who can, do. Those who can’t, consult.
SM Jeremy said:
And of course, Gore’s handlers in 2000 pretty much stuffed his personality in a lockbox, and it showed….
Lockbox. SNL skit was funny. Gore should have been more loose and appealing to voters and should have won by a much wider margin. The debates indicated that Gore cleaned Dumbya’s clock, but the pundits gave it to the straight shooter everyman’s beer man. It was the right wing media’s design.
Gore should have said, “Yer damn right I invented the internet!”
Yeah, what is it with the wingnuts going crazy about ladies named Jane?
Like I said, Bush/Bachmann ‘08, Kitty Harris as FEC-head, MeanJean Schmidt as Sec of State, White-Sheets Tancredo as Sec of Homeland Sec, Condi as Liaison for all governmental functions outsourced to Exxon (which is all other government functions).
TeddySanFran @
98
has anyone heard how EW’s book signing went last night?
squirrel hiller @ 95
Remember 41 crying at Jeb’s final event as Gov? It was because he knew the answer to this question is yes.
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TeddySanFran @ 103
They suffer from a lack of self-esteem but that can be remedied by enlisting in the US Army and going to Iraq.