In many ways, the Bush Administration's "War on Terror" has been able to accomplish things that the terrorists themselves could only dream of. It has divided the American public against each other. It has stretched our military so thin that we would be helpless in the face of a real national emergency. And now, it has bred its own drug-resistant biological weapons, one of which is rapidly making its way through civilian hospitals from California to Canada, on to Germany and Anbar Province. It's called acinetobacter baumannii and the US military not only created the conditions that led to its development, but the Pentagon has played an active role in exporting it to the world and in the suppression of information that could have led to its containment.
From Wired Magazine:
I VISITED WALTER REED in 2004 to write about anesthesia on the front lines. As I spoke with an Army sergeant who had survived a brutal attack in Najaf, US senator John McCain and talk-radio host Don Imus came into the room to thank him for his service. When we walked out, McCain's assistant whipped out a bottle of sanitizing gel and passed it around. A nurse explained to me, "It's this bug that grows in the soil over there and gets blown into their wounds by IEDs. These poor guys are covered with it. Around here we call it Iraqibacter." Rumors were circulating at the hospital that insurgents dosed their homemade bombs with the flesh of dead animals.
As nicely as that would fit into pre-existing Right-Wing narratives of Middle Easterners as filthy, disease-carrying foreigners who will stop at nothing to kill and maim Americans, it (like so much else we've been told about the Endless War on Terror) is in fact a big fat lie.
It's true that many species of acinetobacter flourish widely in the environment. Thriving colonies have been recovered from soil, cell phones, frozen chicken, wastewater treatment plants, Formica countertops, and even irradiated food all over the world. But the particular species causing the military infections, baumannii, is almost always found in just one environment - hospitals.
Lenie Dijkshoorn, a senior researcher at Leiden University Medical Center in the Netherlands, has studied the bug since 1984. "My colleagues and I have been looking for Acinetobacter baumannii in soil samples for years, and we haven't found it," she says. "These organisms are quite rare outside of hospitals."
Hear that? No acinetobacter baumannii in the soil of Iraq. However, it is found at every stop along the military "evacuation chain" from Iraq back to the US and Europe.
Soon, however, the bug started popping up in other hospitals along the evacuation chain. More than 70 patients at Walter Reed eventually contracted acinetobacter infections of the blood. Other infected patients and carriers surfaced at Landstuhl, Bethesda, and Balad Air Base, the embarkation point for troops on their way out of Iraq. By early 2005, nearly one-third of the wounded soldiers admitted to the National Naval Medical Center had been colonized by the bacteria.
But where did this superbug come from and what exactly does it do? All hospitals have nosocomial (secondary) bugs. This version of acinetobacter undoubtedly existed in a less virulent form in the medical facilities prior to the war, but the massive over-prescription of wide-spectrum antibiotics by American medical personnel is what gave it its ferocious drug-resistance.
And as for what it does, this is what happened to 20-year-old Marine Jonathan Gadsden after he was severely injured by a road-side bomb and evacuated back to the US:
At first, he did quite well. By early September, Gadsden was weaned off his ventilator and breathing on his own. For weeks he gradually improved. His buddies took him to a Washington Redskins game in his wheelchair, and the next day he navigated 50 feet with a walker. Soon Gadsden was transferred to a veterans' hospital in Florida called the James A. Haley Medical Center, where he offered to serve as the eyes of a fellow marine blinded in an ambush. The doctors told Zeada that her son might be able to go home by the end of October.
But he still had mysterious symptoms that he couldn't shake, like headaches, rashes, and intermittent fevers. His doctors gave him CT scans, laxatives, methadone, beta-blockers, Xanax, more surgery, and more antibiotics. An accurate evaluation of his case was difficult, however, because portions of his medical records never arrived from Bethesda. If they had, they would have shown a positive test for a kind of bacteria called Acinetobacter baumannii.
Gadsden died on October 22nd. His mother Zaeda Gadsden wanted to know why.
She discovered that an autopsy was performed shortly after her son's death. The coroner recorded the "manner of death" as "homicide (explosion during war operation)" but determined the actual cause of death to be a bacterial infection. The organism that killed Gadsden, called Nocardia, had clogged the blood vessels leading to his brain. But the acinetobacter had been steadily draining his vital resources when he could least afford it. For weeks, it had been flourishing in his body, undetected by the doctors at Haley, resisting a constant assault by the most potent antibiotics in the medical arsenal.
"No one said that my son had anything like that," Zeada says. "I never had to wear gloves or a mask, and none of the nurses did either. No one had any information."
Now, don't you think that if the doctors at Bethesda knew that Gadsden had been colonized by this organism that they should have maybe told the personnel at Haley Medical in Florida? Curiously, no one saw fit to inform the veterans' hospital what Gadsden was bringing with him.
But this is part and parcel with the government's strategy for "fighting terror" with speeches and photo-ops and letting the underfunded, ill-equipped military cope with the unintended consequences of their disastrously mis-planned war(s). The whole reason we have this bug is because the combat hospitals in Iraq have never been adequately supplied, sterilized, or maintained:
Known as combat support hospitals or CSHs, these facilities had been hastily erected in tents and other temporary structures, in keeping with the Pentagon's goal of a lean and mobile fighting force. Maintaining sterile conditions in the desert required creative efforts. Sand blew through every available opening in the walls, and the 130-degree days took their toll on drugs, power supplies, and diagnostic equipment. To move trauma care closer to the action, the DOD deployed modified shipping containers called ISO boxes as portable operating rooms. It was standard procedure to have a dozen nurses, surgeons, and anesthesiologists in each box crowded around two patients undergoing surgery simultaneously - an infection risk in any hospital.
At the 28th CSH near Camp Dogwood - home to more than 4,000 US and British soldiers - there was only one washer and dryer to launder all of the linen, including the surgical scrubs. Army nurses reported to the DOD that "sheets were more often than not soaked with blood and other body fluids - linen that covered the patients who were transferred back to Germany was not replaced." When hospital-grade disinfectants ran low, which was often, the supply crew stocked up on bleach from a local bazaar.
The derelict infrastructure of the Ibn Sina, where Jonathan Gadsden was treated during his evacuation, bedeviled the staff's best infection-control efforts. Rainwater dripped into operating rooms and supply closets, and pigeons roosted in the ventilation system, wafting the smell of droppings into the surgical suites. (A request was filed to the Iraqi Ministry of Health in September 2003 to "eliminate bird feces" from the air ducts.) Clean sheets and scrubs were scarce at the Ibn Sina as well, because the civilian laundry contractor was apparently selling them on the black market.
Ah, yes. Mr. Rumsfeld's "lean and mobile" army. What a smashing little war this is!
The wounded soldiers were not smuggling bacteria from the desert into military hospitals after all. Instead, they were picking it up there. The evacuation chain itself had become the primary source of infection. By creating the most heroic and efficient means of saving lives in the history of warfare, the Pentagon had accidentally invented a machine for accelerating bacterial evolution and was airlifting the pathogens halfway around the world.
But of course, once it figured out what was happening, the military took immediate measures to inform everyone at risk for infection and make sure that this menace never spread beyond its initial disease vectors, right?
Wrong:
As the bacteria spread through hospitals in the US and Europe, the DOD worked overtime to keep a lid on the rumors. In a PowerPoint presentation about acinetobacter and pneumonia delivered at the US Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine, a slide labeled "How to handle the press" read: "Don't lie. Don't obfuscate. Don't tell them any more than you absolutely have to." (emphasis mine)
Yes, like every other problem that has arisen in our nation's prosecution of the Bush Administration's "Great War on Terror", rather than deal with the issue in a frank, open, and effective manner, the government has chosen instead to lie, obfuscate, and cover up, thereby placing more and more lives at risk.
This is what happens, however, when your flagging superpower decides to launch a voluntary (but inadequately funded) war based on cooked intelligence from a perspective of deep and abiding political and historic ignorance. You end up with a cascading set of errors that will be haunting you for generations, not just diplomatically and militarily, but economically, socially, and apparently epidemiologically.
How much longer will this catastrophe be allowed to continue?
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TRex- did you really mean “from California to Candada”? Now, back to read the rest.
ok- I got the zero… perfect time to tell you all, you in particular, Trex, that you are just…. the bee’s knees; so wonderful; you, as you say ‘rawk’… should i say more?
I wake up to find SEVEN new posts?
Have mercy.
I know this must have been asked a zillion times today but I’ve skimmed all over and can’t find any news on Jane. Do we have any news or updates at all?
Valley Girl @
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Eek. I must have been thinking of Candida.
Fixed it.
Trex! I has just gotten my copy of the new Wired today and had marked the article on this to read later … shoulda known you’d beat the pulp version!
egregious хорошее утро к вам dahlin’ !
Not enough clean sheets in the hospital. Not enough scrubs. Not enough disinfectant.
We are pretending to build a civil society for the Iraqi people but can’t even run our own damn military hospitals properly.
FOR SHAME.
I haven’t even read the entire post yet, but just wanted to drop down here and let you know that, as a medical transcriptionist in Georgia right slap up by Fort Stewart and Hunter Army Air Field, this is a bacteria name I’ve had to type more than once. It’s here.
Hello? Mr. Waxman? Mr. Warner? Mr. Murtha? Perhaps someone might want to ask some questions of the Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
Grrrr. . .
Then ask them of the head of Walter Reed.
Then ask them of the Secretary of Defense.
Then ask them of the head of OMB.
Then ask them of the heads of the NIH and CDC.
Then ask them of the White House.
After reading Christy’s last post on WV miners, I was looking forward to some lighthearted snark. Damn.
Teresa @
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All I know is she was released from ICU to go “home” yesterday; she “looks wonderful” (but I bet she’s sore) and is Tired. And, she was lurking in the Plame live blogging today. So she’s out. and about. Hope she rests enough.
This kind of stuff scares the crap out of me. This is a “wildfire” scenario (from Andromeda Strain, written before Michael Crichton went off the deep end) and our ignorant government isn’t taking it nearly seriously enough.
cbl @ 12
Hey cbl. New surgery update. Say, maybe Russian hospitals don’t look so bad after all! I mean in comparison.
At least there are clean sheets and disintectant here.
Sorry to go OT, but curious if anyone ever heard anything more about that FOX conservative humor based rip off of the Daily Show that was supposed to come about in January. Remember?
I’m guessing it never got off the ground. Go figure.
postmodernista @
7
Thank you, dear!
Turns out we’re the WMD-BioHazard.
Perfect.
TRex- thought so.
But back to your article, which I have now read in full 2X. So, if not from the soil, where did this bacterium come from? Yes, from the hospitals, but how did it get there? Sorry for the science geek questions. The main issue you point to is of grave concern. But, back to my question- WTF did it come from? And, again, not to minimize your timeline and research, because the spread of this does trump my question.
I spoke with Jane last night. She was in excellent spirits, billeted at her friend Rick Jacobs’s house. She was a little uncomfortable from the surgery, but apparently her reconstructive surgeon did a fantastic job.
She should be bouncing back like a superball in no time.
My capacity for outrage is low, but this tale really shows how utterly inept and corrupt BushCheney is. Thank you, TRex, for this report.
SPOTLIGHT anyone?
Jacqrat - thanks so much for the update. I’ve been very worried about her and my timing has been bad checking in the comments. I can see why she’s in the live-blogging. It’s addicting to me too.
Great. My father-in-law is having surgery at a VA hospital tomorrow. Hope he doesn’t pick this up….
Valley Girl @ 22
Theories suggest that it was just a regular nosocomial hospital bug until the US combat medical teams started over-prescribing ultra-broad-spectrum antibiotics, which in turn caused the bug to mutate and acquire multiple resistances.
Should I have included that in the post, you think? I was trying to figure out where to fit it in.
Valley Girl @ 22
Evolution. Stuff is changing all the time, but most changes don’t last because they don’t work in the real world. Our hospital systems just happened to create an environment where a bunch of germs can mix together in a big soup and this kind of thing can thrive.
Valley Girl @ 22
The simple answer: evolution. They’re great at it. Keep dosing a simple bug with antibiotics, and sooner or later you’ll find a new version that is resistant to the old drugs.
But don’t tell the fundies. They wouldn’t want to hear about any examples of evolution.
Their anti-science bias feeds back so well into their compassion.
Great news TRex…get well soon Jane.
TRex @ 27
Yeah, it needs to be up there. You could put a sentence or two about it right before asking the question “But what does exactly does this drug-resistant superbug do?”
TRex @ 27
Yes, from a science geek perspective, that would have been *really* good info to include. Not only does that info explain, it gives added info about some of the stupidities and ignorances about prescribing anti-biotics. But, I can’t advise where to put it, except in a p.s. HOWEVER, you will have to explain what “nosocomial” means, because I have not a clue.
TRex @ 27
It needs to be up top. Just slap it on at the end for now.
Ok pups, gotta run. Work beckons. Surgery on a 7 year old today, that’s unusual for us, we mostly specialize in newborns.
puppethead, Peterr- yep, as a college science prof I DO know about evolution. I was looking for a more specific answer, and TRex has provided.
egregious @
13
How awful for a still conscious wounded soldier’s last vision as they slide off the gurney be that of their comrades’ shit, blood, and piss.
And for those who survive - all the clinical tricks a PTSD fellowship could teach will never erase the sight and smell of their comrades’ blood and bowels smeared on the bed.
Long after they are home and Bush et al imprisoned, the horror and stench will visit them in memory and in dreams.
Hey - so glad Shooter’s Pentagon contacts helped out.
Who needs sheets when you have Halliburton?
When I was in the hospital, I developed a microbial infection that required some really strange antibiotic that cost like $400 a pill and had to be taken 4 times a day for 10 days.
It reminded me of the book that came out over a decade ago called “The Coming Plague” which I believe was written by Laurie Garrett. In her book she detailed how researchers are franticly trying to stay a step ahead of the mutating microbes.
Once there is no antibiotic for the supermutation, all that’s necessary is for the microbe to leave the containment area.
I was frantic at the time thinking that I had survived life threatening surgery only to be killed by a virus. I’m glad things worked out.
Revised:
Valley Girl @ 35
Sorry about that - no slight intended. I was just having this very conversation with some fundy relatives, and I heard your question through ears that were still ringing with their “But. . . But . . . but . . .”
Gotta clean out my ears more often, I guess.
egregious @
13
And the laundry contractor selling supplies on the black market! Another reason we’ve got to deprivatize public and military services and operations.
GREAT post, TRex!
SubwaySerenade @ 37
Glad things worked out, indeed! Minor correction- not that it will make you feel any better, but anti-biotics are used against bacterial infections, not viral infections.
TRex @ 38
Sounds good from a rhetorical standpoint. (I’ll leave the science to you and VG!) From the title of your post, it smelled like a potential conspiracy theory floating around, and we don’t need to feed any stories about “venemous rabid lambshers of the left spreading false rumor that US military engaging in biological warfare in Iraq.”
The truth is bad enough.
It’s like the “Katrina Syndrome” but with the national health care system as the latest Bushite victim of incompetence and neglect.
Can you imagine how Bush Baby and his AssClowns-R-US administration will handle Avian Flu???
Look no further kids, it’s our very own Andromeda Strain.
This will affect Alot of people if it is not brought to heel quickly.
Think of the bright side, the way the US hospitals handle ‘bad bugs’ is already a scandal, this might put it on page one.
If the middle of the road American is scared of ‘terrorism’ now, give them this story to truly flip out over.
Finally the soccer moms and dads who voted GOP and for this godamn war will have something that will affect them personally and up close.
Is this Bushite’s brillant idea of something all Americas can ’sacrifice’ for?
TRex @
38
Great addition TRex. And, hope you don’t mind, but I edited your post so that there is a paragraph break between …”ferocious drug-resistance.” and “And as for what it does…
Valley Girl -
Hi.
See this?
http://www.aei.org/publication.....detail.asp
Last bit:
As we consider the alternatives, with the possibility of conflict with Iran ever on the horizon, it would be well to ensure that we are not overlooking the option that would best serve our strategic needs. It may be that the fastest way to turn Iraq over to the Iraqis and draw down American forces is not a steady decline of troop numbers. Instead, the fastest possible "exit strategy" may require one last surge effort to bring the insurgency down to a level that the indigenous forces can handle on their own. Above all, possible strategies must be considered and discarded only on the basis of a realistic assessment. No approach that offers hope of success should be ruled out without careful thought.
May 29, 2006 Might be this is what got b43 all excited in July WH presentation.
Any new info on first MSM use?
Just wanted to ask.
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Folks have been dynamite on Libby coverage. So cool.
Congrats all! Pachecutec, emptywheel, reddhedd and all. Big props. Yeah, her too. what a group of talent.
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Jane is in my thoughts. And ‘thanks’.
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Woodward’s doing a chat tomorrow, if TSF hasn’t put it up, yet.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00708.html
“Previewing the SOTU”
Acinetobacter baumannii is present in many environments; soil, water, etc… it’s just the drug resistant forms that are present primarily in hospitals. It is not generally dangerous to people who are not sick or injured anyway.
Superbly stated as usual, important, and just beetle-spitting fucking infuriating.
There is just no end to the evil and damage being wrought by these people. None.
I feel like Homer Simpson falling endlessly down the cliff, unable to gain purchase on a single landing.
Valley Girl - nosocomial means “hospital acquired”. In a similar vein, physician/health care provider caused conditions are “iatrogenic”.
Everything in the article makes perfect sense. In a perverse way, even the Administration/DoD’s failure to adequately publicize/educate about it is consistent with their dereliction of accountability. Another tragedy is unfolding.
TRex @ 20
No- thank you- y’all are the voice of reason, and the path to ‘the light’…I can’t begin to tell you how much you do for the rest of us waiting for truth and real news, and BTW Go Jane!!!!
TRex!
Taylor Marsh @ 50
Hey, Taylor. How are things with Debbie Schlut’s lawyers?
puppethead @
17
Not really. The science (and logic) in Andromeda Strain is as bad as in any of his later works. If he wasn’t born off the deep end he at least waited to start writing till after he was there.
–MarkusQ
P.S. For just a hint of what I’m talking about: the big dramatic climax revolves around the discovery that the pathogen in the lab has mutated into something harmless. But all instances of a life form don’t mutate in lockstep; just because a two headed cow is born in some village somewhere, it doesn’t mean that all cows now have two heads.
I could go on and on, but the short form is, his stories suck and always have.
Thank the Goddess Jane is out of the hospital!
Whoever is responsible for failing to notify the Florida hospital of such a danger should be fired yesterday. Put them to work in a coal mine with the deputy assistant secretary of detainee affairs while your at it.
(no offense ment to real coal miners)
Blank Kludge- I trust that the into “hi” to me was not asking me to comment on the further news you quoted. But, I may be wrong. Whatever. The info / p-o-v is scary.
I am increasingly distressed as I learn more about the role of those in the US who seek to shape our policy in line with the current Israeli administration. And, I hope no one takes this as an A-s comment, because if you have been reading my comments, you will know this is not the case.
Thank you for putting the spotlight on this, TRex. Doesn’t this just cap it when we’ve found out the troops don’t have proper body armor, that brain trauma rehab funding was to be cut, that vets in hospital were sent bills for their care in recovering from war wounds, and so on. What a nightmare and what will be the next horrible thing to be uncovered? There is so much that has be to fixed.
TRex @ 51 - Have not heard one frickin’ word since I started posting everywhere on the web about the lawsuit threat, with a lot of help, which is a nod in your direction my Right-wing Slayer compatriot.
MarkusQ @ 52
Well sure, not the best science, none of his stuff was. To be honest, his writing was never very readable. But a few things have tapped into our culture. It was written long before he became a “science” advisor to Bush the Lesser. And started raving in public.
There was an interesting OpEd in the SF Chron about how we can protect ourselves from bacteria like E.coli. Here’s the piece in a nutshell: The good bacteria in our gut eats fiber and Americans eat substantially less fiber than we used to. Thus the good bacteria has be weakened, opening the door to nasty stuff. So maybe the best thing you can do to ward off this latest horror is to start crunching on those veggies.
Here’s the piece.
TRex- following on from Muzzy’s response to my question, a possible further edit:
But where did this superbug come from and what exactly does it do? All hospitals have nosocomial (secondary) bugs, or, in laymen’s terms, “hospital acquired” bugs. This version of acinetobacter undoubtedly existed in a less virulent form in the medical facilities prior to the war, but the massive over-prescription of wide-spectrum antibiotics by American medical personnel is what gave it its ferocious drug-resistance.
The sad thing about your post, TRex, is that I’m not surprised. Slightly more nauseated, but not surprised.
Join the War On Terra! We got cooties on steroids!
Muzzy @ 48
Muzzy thanks for the info. As you will see above, I suggested a further edit for TRex, based on your comment.
Valley Girl @
22
Hi VG!
Somewhere in the bowels (no pun intended) of the Wired article IIRC they discussed comparing samples of A. baumannii genomes from the Iraq theater with genomes from reference collecions in Europe.
Results indicated the Iraq theater strain was simply imported form Europe - I think the Wired article mentions the possibility the bug was imported from equipment via Germany.
[The above is from memory: I’m on dial up and the Wired article loads so slooowly on repeat….
THe following is my own speculation:]
The Wired article mentions the Iraq A. baumannii has acquired resistance to 52 antibiotics (or has 52 genetic sequences for antibiotic resistance..?)
Our friends the microbes can maintain genetic information outside the chromosome (in “satellites” such as “plasmids”).
Our microbial friends can also swap these “extra-chromosomal” genetic instrucions with other microbes of different species by surface to surface structures.
No sex required.
Kinda like microbial frottage.
Slamming a bunch of A. baumannii just off the boat from Europe with antibiotics (abx) will leave survivors with the genetic code to withstand the antibiotics used. Each subsequent expsoure to new abx leaves survivors with the genetic instructions to evade all the previous antibiotics.
The survivors share their instructions with lots of the other microbe species they meet.
And all the survivors - like a bunch of drunk frat boys marooned on an island with Labs - will start rubbing against whatever’s still living, and sharing the genetic info indiscrimately.
[Ever wondered why frat boys act like Labs?
Now you know.
There’s more to the story - but we’ll leave that to the experts.
And - wish as we may - we can’t ask Dr. Science
We’ve lost his number. It was the cube root of some physical constant, no doubt.
But I dogress.]
So when the survivors [of all the “enriched” microbial progeny] are flown back to Europe or the States, they carry all the knowledge about defeating antibiotics ever known to any of their direct ancestors.
Who knew intestinal flora - and other microbes - had such deep family roots?
Gotta run, kids.
Grocery store and then home.
See you in a bit.
And sometimes in my dark moments, I think he’s(George W. Bush) “The Manchurian Candidate” designed to discredit all the ideas I believe in.
-David Brooks
George W. Bush, single handedly destroying America, one clusterfuck at a time.
At least Bush has finally united America, against him.
-GSD
GSD @ 64
Just like Bobo, calling Bush a Democratic tool. Own it Bobo, Bush is a Republican, nominated by the party, held aloft by the party. He is a shining example for all things Republican. Choke on it fella.
Nite pups, signing off from Barkeyville, PA.
Hey Kirk- thanks for the interesting extra info. Re: the exchange w/ Persiflage the other eve, and my memory of the details is spotty. Perhaps I can explain my comment by saying that you were asking her to do enormous research, as least from my view. I was responding in part as a scientist- because there is an enormous literature in scientific journals that traces efforts to combat Alzheimers, so I thought you were asking her to provide something akin to a Ph.D. thesis on the subject. Also, although it did not come into my thinking at the time (at least not consciously) my dad died from Alzheimer’s disease, so I have paid attention to a lot of the research. Maybe I missed your general point in your long reply?
Super post from Trex …
I remember hearing a series of report on Marketplace I think - would have been in 2004? - interviewing military nurses in Iraq who were ordering supplies on their personal credit cards and inventing ways to keep patients warm using cardboard boxes, etc since the CSH were not properly supplied … all as we fund the executive bonuses at Halliburton!
And remember the conditions in Iraqi hospitals where doctors and nurses are being killed or leaving, US occupiers swarm through on “raids” and children are turned away from essential care for lack of basic meds and capacity.
You don’t suppose this bacteria has/had any role to play in “Gulf War Syndrome,” do you? Sort of a debilitating effect, like Lyme?
Just wondering out loud.
puppethead @
28
You know what this reminds me of?
Exactly?
The “Spanish Flu” of 1918.
For example:
His point being that we needn’t worry so much about bird flu, because there’s no way we would be dumb enough to repeat the mistakes of WW I. Or, for that matter I suppose, the crusades.
Ah, optimists.
–MarkusQ
don’t forget the charms of depleted uranium too … still in use and we are still bombing in Iraq but just don’t talk about it so much
and on that note, off to sleep … be chipper for opening arguments tomorrow!
wow!
Valley Girl @ 67
Hi VG -
Gosh, I sure don’t think you owe me any explanation - if I have seemed as though I did, I do apologize.
I’m in the midst of baking/cooking, and I hope I don’t seem short in answering.
My general point - if any - was to look for hard citations and or hard data behind various assertions of nefarious biomedical activities.
Not that biomediciine is perfect - far from it - but with the hope that accurate description of problems begets effective solutions.
Again, the oven call s- hope I don’t seem terse!
xxxooo
OT: The DNC sent out a request for input for Senator Webb’s response to the SOTU. Ms. Redshift thinks I should suggest that he kick Lieberman in the nuts, but while that’s a fine suggestion, it’s not really a suggestion for the speech…
Siun @
68
Siun- I googled. I wonder if this is the interview you are thinking of. However, I can’t get the audio to open. http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....Id=1600206
Watching KO… Jonathan Alter discussion on Hillary to overcome her negatives ….. that there isn’t any negatives with her own party but with conservatives… LOL… that guy needs a trip out here where REAL people live…
Redshift @ 73
Based on this article by TRex but also on many, many more examples, I would hope Sen. Webb would say something about accountability.
Valley Girl -
It’s always a pleasure to shout ‘Hi there!’
But you deftly handled the misaimed RFC.
Now, iirC, ’twas sharkbabe.
Drat foggy greymatter.
Cheers, though. Happy Fitzmas!
Redshift @
73
hmmm… I assume that he will do that anyway, either overtly or covertly. Metaphorically speaking or course.
Webb should suggest b43 is losing altitude at an accelerating rate. The good of the Country demands resignation. En masse.
Just a thought.
The Republicans are in the midst of a hatchet fight. Lots of winger type folks are tossing Dinesh Desouza under the bus for his fetid new book.
“Respected” senators are bailing on the Bush/McCain massacre strategy.
Now McCain is lashing out at Cheney….says he served Bush poorly.
Love it, love it.
-GSD
P.S. I recommend the new movie The Last King of Scotland, saw it tonight and liked it.
Blank Kludge @ 77
Shout “hi there” back. But what is this “RFC” of which you speak?
Valley Girl @
41
Thanks, I just know that what I had was microbial. I’d need at least two cups of coffee to distinguish between a microbe and a stem cell…
Webb should tell Dick Cheney to go fuck himself.
-GSD
OT, but angering. Just checked over at Foxnews. They still have multiple webstories stories up about the Obama/madrassa thing. Is their viewer base really THAT stupid?
SubwaySerenade @
37
So are we, Subway, so are we!
Redshift @ 73
Great idea, but first wouldn’t Lieberman have to get them back from AIPAC?
GSD @ 80
The news on our side of the aisle ain’t bad, either:
Hey, there’s this guy, Rahm…
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The way the net was born. Method.
In this case, applied to ’surge’ aborning.
Question was about first MSM adaptation.
I think we had S-P/I early on; and a WSJ OpEd cite by neocon Gerecht(sp?).
Just curious if anyone located the ‘primordianl ooze’ (if you will),of the term moving into media use.