(This amazing photo via The Epoch Times International, and taken by Ali Youssef for AFP. Stunning image, poignant and tense -- captured in a click of a shutter. Just brilliant. -- CHS)
As Congress continued the debate this week about how to respond to the President’s Iraq plan, the Iraqis are having their own reactions to the prospect that several more US combat brigades, plus thousands of additional Iraqi/Kurdish forces are coming to Baghdad. Among dozens of stories I focus on a handful that highlight the reactions of the major players: the Iraqi government headed by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki; the Mahdi Army loyal to the Shiite cleric, Moktada al-Sadr; and the Sunnis, including those who support the insurgents fighting against the Shiite government and the US occupation. From this, we can begin to piece possible scenarios for how the Bush plan might actually play out.
Reactions of the al-Maliki Government. Earlier reports had indicated that Prime Minister al-Maliki did not support additional US forces in Baghdad. Al-Mailiki did not request more US troops and instead wanted the Iraq government to assume control over security operations in Baghdad and elsewhere. In his December exchanges with President Bush, he declared that the Iraqis could assume full responsibility for security by the fall of 2007, a claim US officials dismissed as overly optimistic. Nevertheless, Mr. al-Maliki has insisted on this goal, while possibly shifting the end date to later in the year.
Monday's NYT report by John Burns, Sabrina Tavernise and Marc Santora focuses on the continuing “wrangling" between US and Iraqi military officials over how the US forces would work with the Iraqis, and particularly how the joint command structure would work. The American commanders are clearly troubled:
“We are implementing a strategy to embolden a government that is actually part of the problem,” said an American military official in Baghdad involved in talks over the plan. “We are being played like a pawn.”
An earlier report suggested that a US brigade (about 3500 troops) would work along side an Iraqi Division (several brigades). But it is at the smaller unit level that we find a description of how US officials think the pacification of local neighborhoods would work.
Monday’s NYT article explains that a US Army platoon (30-40 troops) would work side by side with Iraq security forces in individual police stations or 30 or so “joint security sites” throughout Baghdad, staying with the Iraqi forces at these fortified stations to provide neighborhood protection against anyone who might threaten security. Additional US forces would patrol across the neighborhoods and provide backup in the event of attacks on individual US/Iraqi local security posts.
That places American soldiers directly in neighborhoods where, until now, they have appeared only transiently on patrols and raids. Under the new plan, they will work closely with the Iraqi Army and police in an attempt to establish a trust that has been elusive.
”Elusive?” If you’re an “insurgent” you wait until the roving troops go somewhere else, then you make quick attacks on the local station, just as insurgents have been doing in guerilla wars for decades. The guerillas don’t stay and fight, waiting for the roving troops to return; instead, they vanish back into the neighborhoods. They thereby encourage the US/Iraqi forces to start breaking down doors, bombing suspected hideouts, and shooting or imprisoning everyone who looks suspicious in the same neighborhood. Our guys do all this in the name of “establishing trust” and “winning hearts and minds.” It's hard to see how that can work, but easy to see how it might fail -- and make conditions worse.
American politicians love to blame and berate Mr. al-Maliki as not strong or effective enough to do what needs to be done, but he seems to understand this dynamic better than the Bush Administration. He knows that inviting more US troops into his capital city means that more Iraqis will be killed, so the question is, which ones? Being a smart man, and a Shiite beholden to the powerful Shiite militias, he’s done three things.
First, he’s insisted on naming the overall commander of the security forces in Badgdad. The commander will be an Iraqi General personally loyal to al-Maliki, and someone the US Commanders do not know and do not trust. Together Mr. al-Maliki and his hand-picked general will decide when and where to implement the new security strategy. The Americans got to help pick his two deputies, but the combined US/Iraq command structure appears to be an unproven experiment:
Still, the new command structure seemed rife with potential for conflict. An American military official said that the arrangements appeared unwieldy, and at odds with military doctrine calling for a clear chain of command. “There’s no military definition for ‘partnered,’ ” he said.
Second, Mr. al-Maliki has apparently convinced the US to begin the security operations in Sunni neighborhoods in which the “insurgents” are likely to be Sunnis.
In embattled West Baghdad, the plan is to place the new security centers squarely where the sectarian fighting has been fiercest. One of the first centers expected to begin operating is in Ghazaliya, a Sunni enclave that has repeatedly come under assault from Shiite militias.
The Americans assume that this will provide the Government’s protection to Sunni neighborhoods against raids by Shiite militia. But why wouldn’t the joint US/Shiite police forces become targets of Sunni insurgents in Sunni neighborhoods?
The plan gives a central role to the National Police, viewed as widely infiltrated by Shiite militias and, despite an intensive American retraining program, still suspected of a strongly Shiite sectarian bias.
All this means the “enemy” for the foreseeable future is just the Sunnis. The Americans, who insist that they want equal opportunity for both Sunnis and Shiites, especially al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army, to be the enemy, have apparently accepted the strategy of taking on the Sunnis first. A McClatchy report suggests that US forces won’t go after the Mahdi Army unless they’re provoked into doing so.
Third, al-Maliki appears to be arresting some of the Mahdi Army militia. According to today's report in the NYT, Iraqi officials are claiming that several hundred militia have been quietly arrested, including some senior officers. US officials are both encouraged and wary, waiting to see if those arrested will be quietly released after the pressure on al-Maliki lets up. This gives at least the appearance of cracking down on Shiite militia, but without bloody Shia-on-Shia battles and no significant dent in an army that may number as many as 60,000 armed men.
What is al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army doing? The McClatchy report (via Juan Cole) tells us the al-Sadr militia people are not stupid. Realizing that the US is itching to take them down at the slightest provocation, the Mahdi Army is “lowering its profile,” removing their black ski masks and blending back in with the population, like being traffic cops. They’re also hiding their weapons and biding their time until the latest Bush plan has been replaced with the next Bush plan.
What do the Sunnis think? Many of these people are worried. Juan Cole and the NYT report that the botched execution of Saddam and the even worse beheading execution of his relative and co-defendant have also become a rallying point for former Baathists and Sunni sympathizers. Sunni groups think they are the intended targets of a joint US/Shia offensive against their resistance fighters, and that the primary beneficiaries of this joint plan will be Iran and Iran's Shiite friends in Iraq. So instead of hiding their weapons, fighters from Sunni neighborhoods are mobilizing for the coming battle.
Sunni leaders in exile are also reminding all of their Sunni backers in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Egypt that they better support them because the US and the Iranian backed Shiites are about to make war to extend the influence of radical Iran into the rest of the Middle East. As analysts have been warning all along, the stage seems set for an intensified Sunni vs Shiite war in Iraq that may draw in neighboring countries, with US troops dispersed in between and under an untested command structure. MSNBC has also reported that while the Saudis publically support the Administration's "goals" of stability in Iraq, they privately told Secretary Rice they may intervene militarily in Iraq if conditions continue to deteriorate. Since this leak was provided by an American official, it seems likely it was intended to put further pressure on al-Maliki to crack down on Shiite militias.
The Baker-Hamilton/ISG report recommended the US deal with Iraq’s neighbors by engaging them through negotiations, with the apparent desire not just of mitigating Iraq’s internal security problems but with the explicit goal of reducing tensions that might lead to an uncontrolled sectarian war in the wider Middle East. President Bush rejected virtually all elements of that plan, and with it, it’s goal of reducing the chances for regional war. Whatever he thinks he’s doing, it seems the Bush strategy could easily have the opposite effect from what his father’s advisers proposed and believed was in the strategic interests of the United States.
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Hi Scarecrow. This morning on Washington Journal a caller on the Republican line:
We have a lot of enemies in the Middle East. We need to pull out our troops and let them all fight it out. When they’re done, bomb the rest of them.
Regional war has always been the goal of this regime. Are you suprised?
I’m not.
twolf -
Tks for the feedback below. Tweety sounded like his usual garbled self…….lots of words, little wisdom.
Mornin’ Scarcrow.
Great post
732 days to go!
this is like asking if fire is hot, if water is wet, if we live on planet earth
not only is it asking for regional war, it is asking for global war
the president is a dispensationalist and people need to start looking at his deliberate attempt to call forth armageddon, becuase that’s what he is trying to do
Waccamaw @ 4
I was wonderin’ if he was hittin’ the bottle again.
Sestak (sp?) coming up on C-Span 1.
cnn - At least 17 dead and dozens injured in a series of car bombs in baghdad today.
Good morning everyone. Sorry for the length; complicated story and the stories were piling up.
Here’s the drill for this morning. Christy will post a thread on Jane’s status about 9:00 EST and folks can use that to continue to send best wishes all day long to Jane, who goes into surgery this morning. Keep your fingers crossed, prayers coming, or whatever you do to send good vibes her way. We loves us our Jane!
Pachacutec will arrive later this a.m. when the Libby trial reconvenes with jury selection.
Busy morning. Important stuff happening. A lady to protect, justice to be served, a war to be ended, and a nation to be taken back.
Many prayers for Jane today.
Scarecrow– thanks for the thoughtful post. I still believe that the goal was for vast areas of empty spaces “over there” so that we and our “allies” have control of other people’s resources. I believe we instigated this civil war in Iraq and allowed the Taliban in Afghanistan to continue their mayhem, too. It is more than depressing and shameful.
it is indeed a busy morning… anyone up for coffee?
IOldCoastie @ 13
I’ve already had a cup, microwave from yesterday. If you have a fresh pot, I would love some. (and thanks).
Meanwhile, do the Iraqi forces get bullets soon or are they still unarmed?
Scarecrow @ 11
[snip]
Important stuff happening. A lady to protect, justice to be served, a war to be ended, and a nation to be taken back.
Heavy lifting, to be sure, but one to which progressives are equal ‘-)
I have been told that during the Johnson Adm. ther was a law used by Congress that stopped Johnson from going to war. It was not cutting off funding ! anyone Know anthing about this?
Isn’t REGIONAL WAR what they’ve wanted all along?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6274147.stm
Iran offered the US a package of concessions in 2003, but it was rejected, a senior former US official has told the BBC’s Newsnight programme.
Tehran proposed ending support for Lebanese and Palestinian militant groups and helping to stabilise Iraq following the US-led invasion.
Offers, including making its nuclear programme more transparent, were conditional on the US ending hostility.
But Vice-President Dick Cheney’s office rejected the plan, the official said.
It would be nice if our media picked up on stuff like this.
Be something worth asking about, no?
hmm…coffee, made today is even better.
great post Scarecrow.
I’m so pissed off about this situation I never know where to start. There is no valid reason why an average person like me should have an exceedingly more rational grasp of this situation than our preznit does.
Each factor you mentioned has at least several variables that can likely develop in negative consequences that result in greater humanitarian disaster.
If ‘the plan’ goes forth and includes the apparent hostile engagement of other countries in the region, it might make it near impossible to ever get BushCo out of office.
Good Morning Firedogs,
yes Scarecrow, an excellent, thorough post - I despair that most of our neighbors, friends, & families aren’t even getting an outline of same - all they’re hearing is how ’smart’ Petraeus is, and hell, I haven’t even heard Olberman mention this bargain basement Wolfowitz; Kagan is the one currently whispering in Chimpy’s ear
not so much . . .al-Sadr and his hand picked general will decide - but we agree everywhere else as to how murderously this will play out on Americans in country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony
Attaturk @ 18
Yep. That’s a story that needs some further exposure. I always find it astonishing how may stories there are about how the Vice President, who has no Constitutional authority to do anything outside the Senate, keeps making these really important decisions — and no one says a thing.
Attaturk @ 18
People can make all of the tinfoil jokes they want toward me but I still say this is part of why the VP offered to testify at the trial. I believe he wants to make the claim of executive authority and assume the power to justify, cover and prosecute without accountability.
first and second thoughts today are for jane….
next thoughts go to senators leahy and feingold and the senate judiciary committee hearing today - “Oversight of the U.S. Department of Justice” - with witness alberto gonzalez (c&l’s round up of yesterday’s activities)… wonder if he will be made to swear to tell the truth?
it doesn’t look like the hearing will be shown live on c-span today (although joe wilson is scheduled to be on washington journal call in at 9:30!). i’m going to try to stream the c-span room audio listings - real player link: rtsp://avs2.senate.gov/judiciary or from the hearing webpage.
then there’s a senate foreign relations committee hearing on iraq, the libby trial,… no way i can keep track of if all. many thanks to all you firepups and rabid lambs.
(was mostly away from the computer the last few days and missed much of the news)
good morning all!
dear moderators… my 24 seems to be stuck in moderation purgatory (too many links?)… are there any amends i can make to get out early?
There seems to be some server oddity with the upstairs thread…
Attaturk — a “something about Condi” moment?
selise at 25 — You’ve already been freed. Morning all. We had a late start this morning at Chez Smith, and I’m just now getting ready to make myself some coffee.
Spoke to Jane late last night, and she and Amato and I were doing Buffy trivia and giggling about our mutual love of all things Joss Whedon. (We are pathetic nerds who like our heroes with a little sass, what can I say?) Jane was in very good spirits, and I’ll have a thread up in a few minutes about today’s surgery.
Buffy!
You can light a (virtual) candle for Jane by clicking my name and scrolling down to the second post. (I would post the direct link, but I’m blogging from my phone at the moment.)
[Mod Note; the direct link to Renee’s site is here ]
it’s been a tough week already… between Jane’s situation and news a good friend’s boy is going to Iraq… (sigh)
more coffee…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
thank you.
now i have in my mind a picture of jane as a vampire slayer. superhuman and on the side of good. childish i know, and not fair to jane. but there it is.
That little boy with the big brown eyes looking thru the shattered glass is breaking my heart.
“FUN” on his shirt…
We owe him a future.
’tis a puzzlement - let’s say this is their program - the plan, as executed to date, completely f’s the Saudis - something that would gladden AIPAC hearts, but why would they proceed with anything that hurts Saudi/Carlyle interests ?
yeah, I know, I snarked about The Kingdom being the next Katherine Harris about a month ago - but can not figure out why they would let this happen
selise @ 32
I think she can take on 2 skilled doctors at once and whup ‘m both into surrender, if need be.
;-) good luck today Jane.
angie - We owe him a future.
sadly, there isn’t any decent ‘present’ in his future
scarecrow,
your post is most compelling in the details, charting the steps that draw us nearer to true conflagration. but of course your question answers itself.
as others have noted, this larger war has always been the objective of the neocons and bushies. and we do ourselves no favors by thinking, they wouldn’t dare. of course they would. of course they will.
the issue is how to stop them before they do so.
new thread.
looks like the real player stream rtsp://avs2.senate.gov/judiciary is up and working for today’s hearing.
i’ll try to record it and report back if there is anything of special interest…. while waiting to hear from christy about jane’s surgery this morning…
‘Freedom Fries’ Congressman calls for halt on Iran strike
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0118.html
Freedom Fries ?, Republican ?, North Carolina ?, This good ol boy isn’t backing legislation to halt on Iran, he’s proposing it - a few months back, some guy named Gilliard posited that those who don’t back the Chimp now, will vote for impeachment later - I’ll take whatever rays of hope come our way
High five to PeppermintPatti and {{{{ hug }}}}}
{{{{{{{ Jane!!! }}}}}
And on the topic, my b-in-law’s neighbor kid called over the holidays. He finished his basic training before Xmas and got sent to Germany for some specialized training. Word is his group will be headed to Somalia after that.
If any world power, current or prospective, wanted to take the #1 spot, well, we appear to be stretched pretty thin, troops-wise.
cbl @ 34
I accept there are some who wish for this result, but I’ve never assumed that Bush or Cheney or Rice thought these were the goals. But there is enough delusional thinking, inability to accept alternative views and incompetence to explain how they could just blunder into another catastrophe.
Scarecrow @
11
It would take a miracle. Then again, FDL’s in the miracle business.
Thanks for the long and complicated post, Scarecrow. You don’t get miracles through simplisticness.
leahy is kicking butt with his open statement over at the senate judiciary committee hearing… it gives me special pleasure to know that AG alberto gonzalez has to sit there and listen.
Attaturk @ 18
Regional war resulting in mostly empty space; easier to get the oil and gas out. Also easier to keep an eye on China and Russia.
selise at 42 — Which c-span channel is it on this morning? I could use some kick-butt Leahy…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 45
christy, it’s not on c-span… but it is streaming (via real player) on:
rtsp://avs2.senate.gov/judiciary
sounds like it is going to be a very important hearing…
Oops. Look like Pachacutec will start live blogging from the courthouse about 10:00 EST.
Art Buchwald died :(
1925-2007
R.I.P.
heehee. AG alberto gonzalez was just sworn in.
twolf1 @
48
Funny man. The WaPo has a a collection of his columns.
senate judiciary committee hearing:
AG alberto gonzalez - for us, every day is september 12, 2001. refers to letter sent to leahy yesterday wrt to fisa and nsa spying w/ and w/out warrants.
good work done street gangs… violent crime… blah, blah, blah… problem of prescription drugs purchased over the internet… sexual predators and pedophiles… we need more “tools” to track down internet sexual criminals…
HotFlash @ 40
It’s not just troops. Saw this article today on our Air Force fleets: Outside View: The Death of U.S. air power
Notice, especially, the like to VP Cheney and his former role:
Also from the article:
It’s Pach, live blogging from the Libby trial!
senate judiciary committee hearing:
AG alberto gonzalez - emergency of federal judiciary appointments not being approved.
leahy up!
OK, this is important so please take note;
abu Gonzales says the surveillance program will now be submitted to FISA
however, we have recently found out that the president’s nazi act that he calls “the patriot act” allows him to cast off judges and assign who he pleases
we need to find out if this has been done to FISA
someone needs to get this question to feingold who seems to be the only one on this case
perris @ 55
perris - you may enjoy this… gonzales is now getting grilled by leahy RIGHT NOW at the senate judiciary committee hearing. (feingold is on this committee too… so i expect more fun to follow!).
selise @ 49
Can you let us know when he’s sworn at?
senate judiciary committee hearing:
leahy - does the president believe he has the right to open american’s mail w/o a warrant.
AG alberto gonzales - not prepared to answer that question…. blah, blah, blah…. doesn’t believe it has been happening…
leahy - then why the signing statement?
leahy - signing statement issued late in the day, late in the week… can you understand why we are disturbed?
keep up the commentary, selise!
(Dual live blogging threads - where else but The Lake!)
senate judiciary committee hearing:
leahy - why in heavens name do we have the cia and the pentagon spying on americans? if it’s going to be done, shouldn’t it be done by law inforcement? aren’t you disturbed by this?
AG alberto gonzales - disturbing if true.
leahy - is it true?
AG alberto gonzales - i don’t know if they are true.
leahy - have you asked?
AG alberto gonzales - i haven’t asked.
selise @ 60
this is SWEET, I can’t watch at work so I just hit refresh
man oh man oh man I love the firedogs here at the lake
Peterr @ 59
hard to keep up… i keep switching back to libby trial thread! ;-)
so, i’m going to miss bits…. but this seems like an important hearing and not covered by c-span… so i’ll try to keep going for a bit…
Wrong question
The surge doesn’t risk regional war, its purpose is to make regional war inevitable. The war we have now is unsuitable to the administration’s need for enemies who can frighten the electorate into rallying around their Commander in Chief. The war must be expanded in order to bring in enemies, most importantly Iran, who can terrorize the electorate. Only the popularity boost of the second 9/11 that the Iranian retaliation for whatever we do to them to provoke war, can rescue Republican hopes for 2008.
selise @
60
insane
senate judiciary committee hearing:
leahy - are we living in alice in wonderland now?
specter up!
specter - (missed the first bit)… disclosures 10 days ago of cia investigations of american citizens. shouldn’t the fbi doing that?
AG alberto gonzales - basically conceeds it should be the fbi (except in cased of espionage?).
specter - asks for written response.
specter - complains about length of reports given to the comittiee this morning from AG office. asks if gonzales will come back tomorrow (so specter can read it before asking questions).
twolf1 @ 64
twolf1!!!
hearing is streaming from: rtsp://avs2.senate.gov/judiciary
if you are interested… ;-)
Last night on KO, Jonathan Turley was talking about Gonzales. Paraphrasing, he said “As Attorney General, Gonzales has always been less Attorney and more General.”
Seems to me that the November elections have put the General on notice . . .
Go Pat!!!!
Opening Salvos of a greater Middle East War
A war involving the US, Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda…..
http://www.crusade-media.com/news46.html
selise @ 65
NICE…though I would rather see;
“I’ll expect you to return tomorrow after I’ve had a chance to revue”
selise @ 66
uggg… love too but i am swamped with some work this AM. It’s hard enough for me to keep up on all the comments.
senate judiciary committee hearing:
both specter and leahy are beating up on AG alberto gonzalez wrt to anthrax investigation. who did it, why are we getting appropriate infor from the fbi? why was leahy targeted?
Oh, come on! Do you REALLY think Bush would risk regional war?! Me, too.
He risked regional war the moment he invaded Iraq. Now it is becoming increasingly likely. Iran is growing more powerful and the Saudis are none too pleased.
senate judiciary committee hearing:
kennedy up!
quoting the constitution at AG alberto gonzales, now quoting madison… all about congress’ authority to limit the president’s authority to wage war. (it’s all about the surge/escalation).
kennedy - do you recognize the congress’s authority to limit the number of troops assigned to iraq or to limit funding?
AG alberto gonzales - doesn’t want to answer now, asked to review the question.
kennedy - i beleive that the president has to come to the congress before starting a war with iran. do you agree?
AG alberto gonzales - i don’t know of any plans…
kennedy - that’s not my question…
AG alberto gonzales - tries of avoid answering… better off if the various branches work together…. blah, blah.
twolf1 @ 70
yeah, impossible. and i’m about 5 days behind… it will have to wait…
PoliticalCritic @ 73
he not only risked regional war, he wanted it
you guys need to look up “dispensationalist” because that’s what bush is
these are people that think Armageddon is a good thing, they think it will bring paradise to the loyal
bush thinks he can quicken Armageddon and it’s a religous movemte, this is his goal and I am not being facetious or exaggerating
senate judiciary committee hearing:
kennedy - beating up wrt to fisa lawbreaking…
hatch up!
blech! time for me to take a break…
selise @ 77
I want someone to ask if fisa judges have been replaced
Reuters: Officials say rumored Iran strike not true
senate judiciary committee hearing:
feinstein up - thanks AG alberto gonzales for bringing the nsa spying program into the fisa process.
blech.
senate judiciary committee hearing:
feinstein - how many federal AG have been asked to resign.
AG alberto gonzales - don’t want to get into personal details.
feinstein - that’s not what i’m asking. i’m asking how many.
AG alberto gonzales - blah. blah.
sign of good management, blah, blah. Gonzales
senate judiciary committee hearing:
holy cow! feinstein just called gonzales a liar (didn’t use the word, but said “that’s not true”).
this is good. wish i could type faster… and type while i’m listening.
i’m recording an mp3 of this… and since it’s not a c-span stream (it’s a committee stream), i think i can post a link later if there are any firepups who what this for their ipod.
capeman @ 82
yeah capeman!!!!!!
senate judiciary committee hearing:
kyl up!
thanking gonzales for efforts wrt to online gambling.
selise @ 83
selise, you are gold and quick becoming among the most informative members
senate judiciary committee hearing:
i’m not typing up all kyl’s sucking up to gonzales… blech. will try for the most interesting bits…
senate judiciary committee hearing:
AG alberto gonzales: unlawful combatants have more rights than POWs.
…
[god, i hate gonzales]
selise @ 85
Any relation between Abramoff and Kyl? Yes, had to return money to Indian tribes. No wonder he is against internet gambling.
Kohl (D-WI) up, hitting him up for elimination of COPS program.
senate judiciary committee hearing:
kohl up!
askes for help to milwaukie for crime control.
oh, here you are!
Gonzales is making me puke. And might I just say that this it a national disgrace that this hearing is not mandatory, must watch teevee for all Americans?
What transparency were they talking about? Not even cspan is covering this.
It’s an abomination.
grr.
strike my first “this” in my previous post please.
grrrrrrrrrrr.
angie @ 92
yeah - i’m really surprised that this isn’t on c-span.
angie @ 93
done. :)
Feinstein has been really steamed about the US attorneys being replaced without Senate confirmation. Thank you
Arlen SpecterLord North!senate judiciary committee hearing:
John Cornyn (R-TEXAS) up!
going on and on about judicial appointees… obstruction of appointees… blah, blah,… more blech.
Cornyn up, bringing up nominees that took a long time to get Senate approval.
“Project For Safe Neighborhoods”???
capeman @ 99
wasting their time when there is so much of real importance and oversight to discuss.
Feingold up
senate judiciary committee hearing:
Russell D. Feingold (D-WISCONSIN) up!
yay Feingold– give him unholy hell NOW.
senate judiciary committee hearing:
feingold - wrt to fisa stunning and long over due change of direction.
feingold - do you know of anyone who doesn’t want terrorist spied on?
gonzales - yes, look at the internet, all over the blogs.
selise @ 104
Oooo . . . the scary bloggers . . .
senate judiciary committee hearing:
feingold - previous comments are blatantly false. accusing democrats of wanting to prevent the gov. from wiretapping terrorists.