
We'll, there's just nothing like that good old Right Wing Civility, now is there?
A radio talk-show entertainer whose earlier statements that he "may" have to assassinate members of Congress if the wrong people were elected Nov. 7 now has set a timetable for those killings.
In a statement on his website, Hal Turner noted that a newspaper has reported that a bill granting amnesty to illegal aliens is expected to be enacted in January, when the Democratic Party takes control of the U.S. Senate and House.
"ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO INTRODUCES, CO-SPONSORS OR VOTES IN FAVOR OF ANY SUCH AMNESTY WILL BE DECLARED A DOMESTIC ENEMY AND WILL BE CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE TARGET FOR ASSASSINATION," Turner posted on his website.
(snip)
"Members of The United States House of Representatives or United States Senate who try to grant any form of Amnesty to millions of illegal aliens are hereby notified they may as well paint a bulls-eye target on themselves. Our Bullets don't care about their sovereign power," he wrote.
Isn't that special?
Can you imagine the shit-storm that would erupt if a liberal posted an entry like that on their blog? If, for instance, I called for the murder of Republicans in Congress who sponsored the Defense of Marriage Amendment? Here, just for shits and giggles, I'll do it:
ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO INTRODUCES, CO-SPONSORS OR VOTES IN FAVOR OF A BAN ON GAY MARRIAGE WILL BE DECLARED A DOMESTIC ENEMY AND WILL BE CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE TARGET FOR ASSASSINATION!
Ooooh, actually that felt kinda cool. Nothing like a home-grown fatwah to give you a sense of importance in the world. Unfortunately, I don't mean a word of it. But if I did, we'd be coming for you, Billy Frist. And you, too, Marilyn Musgrave. How would you like it if I went on to post directions to your house so that my readers can come and "protest" your decisions in person? Well, at least Hal Turner didn't go quite that far, in spite of the fact that his baying, bloodthirsty readers asked him to, not because he thought it might result in actual violence, but because it would give those dirty, dirty liberal politicos a chance to arm themselves and hire security:
Turner also declined a suggestion to post a list of addresses and provide maps "so people can protest at their homes" by saying, "Once I publish such a list, they would undoubtedly feel the need and take steps to secure themselves. If we forewarn them by publicly publishing a list, we lose the element of surprise."
One other reader said, "I'm sitting here now with my 30.06 stripped down. Can do this in the dark. Don't want any grains of sand in the mechanism," he wrote.
Or Cheetos crumbs.
Fucking Right Wingers, always sitting around in the dark and lovingly stroking their guns. What on earth could they be compensating for? I simply can't imagine...
Apparently, Turner's been at this for a few weeks. This is what he posted before the elections:
"We may have to ASSASSINATE some of the people you elect on Nov. 7! This could be your LAST ELECTION CHANCE, to save this Republic...
"Sorry to have to be so blunt, but the country is in mortal danger from our present government and our liberty is already near dead because of this government. If you are too stupid to turn things around with your vote, there are people out here like me who are willing to turn things around with guns, force and violence. We hope our method does not become necessary," he wrote.
Just for a moment, I want you to imagine what would happen if I or Jane or Christy or Pach wrote a statement like that. Doubtless, the Secret Service would be dropping by to ask us some pointed questions, that is, if we didn't get whisked off to some windowless holding room in a secret CIA prison in Romania.
Some well-meaning soul did forward Little Hal's comments to the FBI, to which he responded thusly:
"You called the FBI about me? BIG DEAL! One can only illegally 'incite' violence when what is said is uttered in a context which lends itself to IMMINENT lawlessness. I will not be arrested because I have thus far committed no crime. Just because you don't understand the subtle delineations of the law does not mean I have broken the law. The FBI has been receiving reports about me from morons like you for six years. I'm still here. Your posting did, however, give me a chuckle!"
Well, he's nothing if not self-assured.
But his posting also continued further into his plans, and his expectations for the consequences.
"The pro-white movement has a habit of making martyrs of folks who take action. They hold rallies for them. They put up web sites about them. Just so we're clear, the only people authorized to do that for me after I become a martyr (alive or dead) are those who stand with me when the fight takes place. Because if you are, TODAY, 'pro-white' and you fail to stand with me in confronting our renegade government, then I say you are a coward and I don't want my name being uttered by cowards," he wrote.
The "pro-white movement"? Dude. This man is clearly very, very disturbed. All of this reads like something you'd find on some high school malcontent's MySpace page after a school shooting. But you know, he's ultimately a Republican and as such, he gets a free pass from the media, the Rightard Blogosphere, and everyone else who could actually shut him down. No matter how hateful and extreme they are, the Pajamofascists always get excused because their prejudices ultimately echo the very real racism and vigilantism that lurks in the hearts and minds of uneducated Fox News America. "He don't mean nothin' by it," they'll say, "You liberals get upset about every li'l damn thing, doncha?"
I'm sure that CNN Headline News will be rushing in at any moment to offer him his own half-hour show between Glenn Beck and Nancy Grace. Seems to be about their métier these days, doesn't it?
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God, we complain about our talkback shock jocks over here, but never to they plumb the depths of violent rhetoric like this Turner guy.
What’s particularly interesting is their abject need to feel oppressed and under threat. Their real lives are obviously not interesting enough.
What’s Hal Turner’s address?
What syndicate is carrying this guy??
TRex, I honestly don’t know how you and Jane and Christy and Pach and everyone else here does it. I read about this earlier and I’m still at a loss for words. The level of hypocrisy and double standard defies common sense, but then of course we are talking about the reich wing so I guess common sense doesn’t really figure into it. Thank you all once again for fighting the good fight. I would really love to end with something pithy and clever but again this level of hatred and stupidity leaves me speechless…
TRex!
Obviously we “liberal/progressives” are the only ones who actually mean the words we use. That’s why the Regressives can say whatever they want and then claim their words are…well, just words and therefore meaningless. Words spoken in opposition, however, are unpatriotic. So only the right-wingers have real freedom of speech, because speech doesn’t really mean anything, now, does it? Unless it’s left-wing speech, and then it must be stopped, even by violence and illegal means. I’m sure that’s just what the founders meant when they gave ALL Americans freedom of speech, as a basic human right.
I say we deluge the FCC with complaints about this. I don’t think the government needs to grant anyone a radio license for the purpose of inciting murder.
Or at least they should fine Turner (and his station) about $500,000. Threatening to kill people is far more indecent than anything Howard Stern ever did.
Maybe it’s just another example of that Ann-Coulter-style wingnut “humor” that lefties don’t seem to get.
twolf1 @ 6
We can’t tell you that, because you might TP his lawn, and then he’d have to assassinate you.
Hal Turner on wikipedia
Isn’t this a violation of FCC rules?
Or do they only apply to liberals?
Oooooo, scarrrrrrry. How do they get away with this shit?
TRex - dude, if you find any other racist, insane wignuts please keep us apprised. :D
Actually, I guess the point is that the 52 -> 45 -> 39 -> 35 -> 36 -> 35 -> 31 -> 39 -> 31 percent of ‘merica is probably talking to their neighbors about what they heard on the radio.
Never mind. Carry on. Sorry for the interruption.
Does he have any listeners in New York City? I think I know a few prosecutors there (and probably in other big cities as well) who would be more than happy to go after him for making terroristic threats…
Tom Burka @ 10
I filed a complaint with the FCC when Pat Robertson called for Hugo Chavez’ assassination (IIRC). No response. Apparently, the statutes are only for sex, not murder.
OT - UN appeals to Iraq on executions
Yippee! Ohio friendly Late Night (we are on the East Coast, after all).
As for the Turner diarrheas…, lately I’m all for flinging the pooh at Fred Hiatt.
If you ask me, this Cliff May post isn’t too far off the path of ‘Unhinged’.
http://corner.nationalreview.c.....ZjOTViYmQ=
twolf1 @ 6
If I told you that, we’d lose THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE!!
If he said that about the president it would be against the law, wouldn’t it? Why not congress or us little people?
Who pays this guy?
I’m with Tom Burka. What ever he writes as part of his schtick carries to his brand on air.
He is using publicly-owned airwaves to facilitate distribution of hate speech. Stations that are licensed to use our airwaves do so to serve the public interest, and hate speech making specific calls for violence does not do this. This is far more offensive than Janet Jackson’s exposed nipple, and deserves more attention for this reason.
1. Start with filing a complaint with the FCC for Obscene, Indecent and Profane broadcasts. Point out that Turner advocates in writing violent acts; these calls for violence against elected officials are propelled by way of an audience he acquires using publicly-owned airwaves, which is counter to the public interest.
2. Then file a Petition to Deny Renewal of License with the FCC for any broadcaster carrying Turner, stating the reason for your objections.
3. And then ask Rep. Louise Slaughter to re-submit her Fairness and Accountability in Broadcasting Act to the 110th Congress (she’s done this under the 108th and 109th, only to have it buried in committee).
4. If you’re up for it, start taking on his advertisers. Write a letter asking why they want their product associated with a person who makes calls for violence against duly elected officials. Provide links to his works.
WE own these airwaves; WE don’t let any sociopath advance his agenda at our expense and the expense of our children.
The Filibuster @ 21
Wow. So what drove him over the edge?
This guy doesnt have a podcast of this rant does he? I’d like to put it to some Klan images and post it on YouTube.
I still that you’d have more luck getting some state law enforcement agency to pursue this… I’m certainly not a lawyer, but don’t most of them have laws that make it illegal for someone to incite their residents into committing murder?
Agreed. Man clearly needs more kitty-litter boxes to clean. Bet his cats left him.
However, I never *heard* of this guy before, still have never heard him, and wonder if we can ignore him nto oblivion, or perhaps into taking acion? Or do you suppose he’s the type to goad one of his listeners like the 30.06 guy into doing something rash, then standing back and saying, “Not me! I said ‘may’, not ‘will’. Nyah, nyah!”
Blub @ 28
Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter are still running around, unhinged and unhindered.
I dunno. Coulter’s been off the radar a lot lately. She may have holed up in some crack-house in Miami, so we don’t know how unhindered she may or may not be.
OT but maybe not, and *so* on the bright side, from the Guess Who’s Going to Washington thread:
steelthing @
295
Wow, that Wikipedia page is full of creepiness (but also some interesting tales of him getting pranked a couple of weeks ago–ha ha!). Creepiest fact–he broadcasts from a studio in his home. What do you suppose he’s doing with his hands while his mouth is running?
isn’t this different? Turner’s identified specific targets and even suggests an approach to soliciting this crime. I may be wrong, but I can’t think of anything so specific from the other w@nkers. They may do so indirectly, by saying that they wouldn’t be surprised if somebody does this or that or blows up thisor that.. or even that they “wish” somebody would do it.. this seems more explicit.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 31
He probably uses a toeball mouse.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @
27
I’d like to get a copy of that podcast myself Toobz. That could make for a really good YouTube video.
Mentioned the May blurb to my wife (who never comments - tis a shame) and she said “We had to kill him over there so we don’t have to kill him here.”
I’ll probably be thinking about that for a week.
HotFlash @ 33
Awesome!!!
Guys, no more links to Turner’s address. A little birdie asked me to cut that out so we don’t get the blog into trouble. I pulled the comments that made specific reference to it.
Thanks.
Today’s word in our nifty new word-of-the-day calendar is
Trumpery
Isn’t that just perfect today?
Perhaps an appropo Hal Turner lovesong:
Oh to be a Wingnut…
When I grow up, there’s nothin’ I’d rather be,
Than a stark-ravin’ Wingnut, swingin’ in a tree.
There’s nothin’ we wouldn’t lie about, so spare me the bile.
There’s nobody we wouldn’t steal from, gimme that sucker child!
We’ll charge your grandma for treason, iffen she makes even a peep.
We’ll lock her up in Gitmo and there for evermore she’ll keep.
Not ‘titled to a lawyer, not even a brief.
We’ll even waterboard your grandpa if he gives us any grief.
Oh the joys of bein’ a Wingnut, free from law and sense,
Everything belongs to us Wingnuts, even the President.
We don’t have no principles, no morals for me,
I’m a stark-ravin’ Wingnut, munchin’ Cheetos in a tree.
The soon-to-be-introduced preznit campaign theme song of Lord “We’re losin’, let’s escalate!” McCain. Lovingly illustrated in 4 crayon color by Junya. Adapted from a mumble by Deadeye Cheney.
Blub @ 36
I’ll let Jon Swift answer that one. Although I don’t have his phone number, I’m sure it’s in the book.
Hal Turner is Closed!
*may have some objectionable language
Mad Dogs @ 40
*sniff!*
It’s beautiful!
Froomkin writes: Meanwhile, the intellectual architect of the “surge”, Frederick W. Kagan, admits to the Journal: “If we surge and it doesn’t work, it’s hard to imagine what we do after that.”
Is it just me or does “intellectual architect” seem awkward in this sentence? Maybe “criminal instigator” or just “shithead” would make the passage more euphonious.
twolf1 @ 45
YAY I dont have to, somebody already did!
You would think Reps in Congress might ask for an investigation, but then he would get the attention he’s seeking. If he didn’t say such things he, and his ilk, the Coulters, Malkins, Hannity’s, and other icky’s would have nothing to say and no audience to say it to.
It’s not that I give a crap about what they spew, it’s that I’m ticked that the wingnutts are trying to limit our freedom of speech. That’s not good.
Having said that, I’m sure interested in seeing if there is a coo-coo-nut response to your statement up there. Please try to keep us posted. I hear the weather’s nice at Gitmo this time of year.
How funny. He keeps ranting about “this government” (which, I think almost anyone would acknowledge is currently and has been wholly Republican in character for some years), but his solution to the problem is to advocate the assassination of Democrats.
Nah, no paranoid schizophrenia there. Nah.
What a fuckin’ country, huh? It’s a laugh a minute, if you’ve not yet hyperventilated from hysterical laughter already….
He apparently was blogging on Blogspot, and was supposed to be back on the air tonight with a major announcement but his site is still off.
citizen k @ 46
Gark. Not just you. So here is a statement by a guy who admits he is just guessing/hoping. There are lives on the line. Jr. has just precipated a very bad thing. Way to go fuckwad. Cheney has to resign first. That is the only acceptable cover to begin with.
Closed eh? Bet he’s off gunning for Jann Wenner and Matt Nye.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 48
I wish I could focus properly on that YouTube, but I have too much going on here at work. Can someone explain this prank to me?
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 49
Must have the same ISP as Lieberman. ya know, susceptible to attack and all…
Sandia Blanca @
32
Wow, he puts on a shirt and tie to radio broadcast from home? Is that just a wingnut thing or is he phenomenally dedicated? ‘Corse, we can’t see his feet.
Okay, I’m getting the gist of the prank off of Wikipedia. Boy, Mr. Turner is a sick, sick puppy, isn’t he?
We may have to toy with him for a few nights, after all.
TRex @ 55
Some group of hackers launched a sustained denial of service attack on him for his racist rantings and drove up his bandwidth bill to the point he had to shut down. They then posted the YouTube as a victory dance, you should check it out when you get home later, its highly entertaining.
Alright, gang. Packing it in to head to the grocery store and then home.
I’ll check back in a bit.
EvilDrPuma @
12
If we soap his windows does he still get to be a martyr?
;>)
darkblack @ 58
He may leave brown streaks on his white sheets.
Hal Turner on Anti-Defamation League site
and doing a search there for hal turner is scarier
Meanwhile, the FBI seems a bit wimpy here:
Paul Bresson, a spokesman for the FBI, said he couldn’t confirm what investigations are being pursued.
“The Internet does not give anyone a license to espouse violence, but there is a certain amount of protection, First Amendment protections, that are built in and we’re mindful of those,” he said.
He called it a “fine line,” and said what the agency would do is look at all the information available and “make a determination” whether any crime might have been committed.
darkblack @ 60
Ever notice that we never see Darkblack and TRex in the same post?
tryggth @ 64
Thats a joke…
citizen k @ 44
Like a virgin, in love with war for the very first time!
tryggth @ 62
It is, eh?
;>)
Man, I’d have some fun dropping this racist skell off in a bad part of town…
Turner, you just made my shitlist.
Where is this shill based?
TRex @
38
I can understand the whole personal address part of things. Better than stooping to their level I suppose.
But how about just his personal email address:
After all… It’s only some harmless traffic over the InterToobz.
The Filibuster @
21
Monday, January 01, 2007
A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT [Cliff May]
Imagine that Saddam had not been executed. Imagine that he had been sentenced to life in prison.
Now imagine that a group of pro-Saddam terrorists seizes an elementary school. They say they will kill all the students and teachers if Saddam is not released within 24 hours.
Should Saddam then be released? Or should several dozen innocent children and their teachers be killed?
Is it not better that we have guaranteed that it will never be necessary to make such a choice?
Another Thought Experiment:[Cliff May]
Imagine that Saddam had not been executed. Imagine that he had been sentenced to life in prison.
Now imagine that after he got to prison he asked for ice cream.
Should Saddam get the ice cream Or should he be forced to eat the same old frozen yogurt that the rest of the prisoners eat.
Is it not better that we have guaranteed that he never get ice cream again by executing him?
Here is a direct statement from Hal to those malicious looney leftists who are attacking his website:
He’s laughing alright. Just not on the Internet! :)
Methinks Hal Turner’s trying to make a name for himself… he needn’t have bothered… “Fucking Asshole” more than suffices…
I really hope he puts a picture of himself up with “I am defeated” across the face on his website like the hackers are demanding.
Someone who knows in what county this idiot is based (and preferably a resident of that county) should consider writing the DA there and asking them to investigate him for specific and targeted death threats or whatever the equivalent local charge is… probably cc the letter to Turner’s congress-critter as well.. if the critter is one of the people being threatened.
criminal conspiracy in the model criminal code has two elements: (1) an agreement between two or more persons to commit an illegal act, and (2) a definite action by one of the members of the conspiracy towards accomplishing the act.
I guess this putz better hope that his listeners don’t take any definite action.
anybody wanna change the subject?
I’ve gotten to the bottom of it, the REAL Hal Turner story:
Hal Turner Needs It
Also - his site got hacked until it had to go away…method was a constant download of pictures posted on his site by bots, inspired by the fact that he decided to pick a fight over a school break with college kids who called into his show.
Mary McCurnin @ 67
Still Another Cliff May Thought Experiment:
Wouldn’t it be great if Saddam had gotten life in prison?
And wouldn’t it be even better if Cliff May got to share his cell?
And wouldn’t it be great if the guards brought beer?
Blub @
65
Jersey
Changing the subject.. a fairly entertaining Aussie editorial on b43’s attempt to Trumanize himself.
http://www.theaustralian.news......83,00.html
Julie @ 60
I wonder what the FBI would do if the threat had specific names of Congress Critters in it?
I wonder what the FBI would do if the threat had specific names of ReThuglican Congress Critters in it?
I wonder what the FBI would do if the threat had specific names of Cabinet Officers in it?
And finally, I wonder what the FBI would do if the threat had specific names of Supreme Court Justices in it?
Would our ‘G-Men’ Parse the Parse or Talk the Talk or perhaps just Walk the Dog?
Inquiring minds are interested.
I know J Edgar would not have hesitated to Act like a Tough Guy. (Gal?)
Mary, Mary quite Contrary
(DI-1/3/07)
…For a few spittle laced sentences at the end there we find out that he’s not ranting about immigration or murder anymore, but rather in code he’s speaking to the all male guest list for an orgy in a room he’d paid a deposit for already. They call themselves the ‘New Jersey Nutters’, and apparantly it’s been a passion of Hal’s over the years to take some time off, lie to the wife about a conference he’s going to, and unwind the only way he knows how to anymore. Seems that the ‘Nutters’ have been his primary source of support over the years, and with the relative failure of his radio career, the pressure is certainly taking its toll. A member of the group who insisted on remaining nameless for the sake of his safety had this to say,
So there you have it. It’s not about illegal immigrants or Democrats at all, but rather another example of a gay American man who needs to hate himself for a living to afford college for his kids. In Colorado a mega-church CEO goes down flaming, and here on the east coast there’s another case of it, another wife and kids who have to deal with the lifelong psychological burden. Compounding the issue though is the difference in message, whereas Pastor Ted simply preached to adults and children about hating themselves and their neighbors in the name of the Lord, Hal Turner is taking it up a notch. Like the Columbine kids in a way, Turner is channeling his self-loathing in hopes of being the first of many. Indeed, he wants to go down in history.
Senator Martinez (D-NJ)…if you’re reading this, LEARN TO DUCK!
steelthing rocks! one extremely generous person accounts for 1/2 the FDL-DC pledge drive…
How different than the radio hosts in Africa who set the Tutsi’s against the Hutu’s — which resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Surely there is a way to call this a-hole to task for inciting violence in this outrageous way!
It’s difficult to balance the need for this idiot to vent his spleen with our need to protect the right to free speech.
The end is nigh. Gay dog on dog sex. Homosexual fruitbats and queer dolphins screwing each others blowholes.
I warned you all.
-Rick Santorum
fahrender @ 73
Yeah, I’d like to complain about the Washington Post comment sections not supporting punctuation. I’m very careful about my punctuation, and I resent being made to look stoopit. I think Dean Broderella should have to columnize just for one day without any punctuation — he’ll know how stoopit it looks.
He suggests today that W is the Suggester in Chief — that he has little power to compel and now must face reality.
The punditocracy has turned on its Little Prince.
MS @ 81
I didn’t even think of that…
Walking out of the theatre after Hotel Ruwanda, that was the thing I thought of quite a bit, how the pot was constantly stired over the airwaves. Excellent point!
fahrender @ 73
I like the surge - surgeon - virgin theme. Comedy gold. But I’m on the east coast, here in Ohio. Pleasant dreams!
According to Cliff May we should kill everyone on the planet in order to prevent hostage situations.
-GSD
TeddySanFran @ 83
The Dean is going to lecture about reality? Whoa, Nelly!!! This is going to be better than the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
By ifthethunderdontgetya | Jan 4, 2007 12:31:38 AM | Request Removal
GSD @ 86
Okay, but what about the last guy left after he kills everybody else? What if he takes himself hostage like Sheriff Bart in “Blazing Saddles?”
Hah! i tried to go the shill’s website and found out that the corp firewall/proxy server setup I have here won’t allow me. I guess somebody took the trouble to ban him.
It sounds like we dirty fuckin’ hippies aren’t gonna get everything we want under the Solstice Tree on Pelosi-Day:
Excerpt:
Perhaps some attorney here may want to take a look at this statute and advise on whether it may apply to Turner.. NJ statute on terroristic threats… http://www.judiciary.state.nj......rthrt2.pdf
TeddySanFran @ 83
To see the Little Prince go to:
http://homepage.mac.com/marymc.....bum18.html
and click on the slide show.
On another topic entirely — Beach Impeach Project is up to 600 signups for this Saturday!
I think I will come in from Sacramento for the Beach Impeach.
EvilDrPuma @ 88
Then he will just have to negotiate with himself over his release. This could be difficult because the guy who is holding him is a real psycho.
TeddySanFran @ 90
I think Cardin has missed the point that the Congressional Thugs actually managed to make subtle: that their anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage agendas were mostly showpieces. Think about it. For several years, right-wing extremist Republicans could pass any bill they wanted, the right-wing extremist Republican president would sign it, and they were stacking the courts with right-wing extremist Republican judges who could have made it stick. When did they even introduce an abortion ban? When did a gay marriage amendment ever materialize as something more than distractionary rhetoric? Never. Those agendas were just sops for the Christianist base. What the GOP extremists as a whole really care about is authoritarianism and lining their pockets and the pockets of their corporate pimps, and they advanced those agendas shamelessly.
What evidence is out there says that the public wants a certain kind of partisan agenda. That’s why the Democrats posted such gains nationwide in November. If Cardin doesn’t see that, then I suspect he has to unzip his fly to read the newspaper.
smiley @ 72