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Despite having traveled to Iraq several times, Joe Lieberman's judgment with regard to his eponymous McCain/Lieberman war has been truly awful (just ask Michael Ware). Now Greg Sargent raises the question -- who is Joe getting his "surge protection" from?
President Bush may not be certain he wants more troops in Iraq, but Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman is."After speaking with our military commanders on the ground," he said Wednesday in an e-mail, "I strongly believe that additional U.S. troops must be deployed to Baghdad."
Joe is willing to send somebody's kids to die in Iraq (well yours, not his) based on info gleaned from conversations with "military commanders." And as Greg says, we can be pretty sure those commanders are not named Abizaid, Casey or Chairelli. Now, I won't leap to the stupid conclusions of Michelle "You Say Jamail, I say Jamil " Malkin, who is still eating big heaping piles of crow after her high-octane temper tantrum about a story that never existed turned out to be a huge churning pile of self-promoting bullshit. Maybe Lieberman does have good sources for this information, and if so, it would be very valuable to the discussion if he'd offer up a few names so we know he's not dwelling in a Malkin-esque fugue state, completely detached from reality.
Sargent:
I've emailed this question directly to a press secretary in Lieberman's office. I'm not expecting a reply, but it's a question that Lieberman's people really should answer, considering that -- oh, I don't know -- a lot of people's lives are at stake here. It'll be interesting to see if anyone in the media presses Lieberman on this, now that he's pointed to the commanders who oppose a "surge" to justify his support for one.
Since Holy Joe gets to speak for the 12% of the country who actually agree with him, I think it's incumbent upon journalists to ask him what his sources are. Because based on his sage advice, many people (not named Lieberman) will surely die. It would be nice to know it wasn't happening simply because Lieberman was cracking out the happy pills again.
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zedheads!
How long will Joe have to act completely insane to repay the 20 million in Sembler raised campaign contributions?
eponymous McCain/Lieberman war
just sayin’…
I would very much like to understand the source of Joe Lieberman’s funding over the last eighteen years.
the pope pretty much told bush he’s going to hadey;
Pope’s message contains veiled criticism of US ‘terror’ tactics
from c&l
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....m-tactics/
Fuckin’ tool.
if he’d offer up a few names so we know he’s not dwelling in a Malkin-esque fugue state.
I feel an inspiration. Maybe punaise can help create an anagram on “malkinesque” using the letters a through g. Haven’t written a fugue in years.
Jane may write better when she’s pissed than anyone anywhere. Certainly better than Murray Waas, who I could sense was shaking as he wrote his Huffpo essay on being slimed. Somebody else picked up on that one, too.
I suspect HoJo’s sources are Maj. Cherry and Col. Pickins.
Jane — I see this as typical Lieberman misdirection. His statement doesn’t say that senior military leaders told him they recommended more troops. Instead he says that “after talking” to them, he concluded we needed more troops. They could have told him just the opposite, and he would still conclude he was right.
He did the same thing in the hearing when Abizaid testified. Joe came away from the hearing convinced that his preconceived notions were correct, which he then repeated in Baghdad; but Abizaid never supported Lieberman’s position.
Umm, I doubt that Marshall Wittmann will be telling anyone the identities of the commanders on the ground.
But, the very first death of a soldier to die from this “surge” should be promptly hung around the neck of one Joe Lieberman.
And every one after that.
montag @ 9
albatroops
Fitz. Please. We need you.
punaise @
3
OMG! punaise found the pony!
Jeesh, seems like only a month ago Joe was talking about how to get the US troops home sooner, rather than later.
Is there a lemon law in Connecticut that applies to double talking war mongering pudsmacks like Traitor Joe Lieberman?
I mean that in the most charitable of senses, seeing as it is Christmas time.
-GSD
punaise @
10
How many have died now? God! It must be approaching 3,000.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 2
How long do we, as a nation, have before the grownups step in?
Eureka, you doing ok? Ditto on the suppressed appetite except for sugar. Thank goodness for Christmas cookies.
GSD,
I know of no “lemon law” for politicians, but just thinking about it - COL (chuckling out loud).
punaise @ 10
Yes, from the “Rime of the Ancient Martinet”
Israel?
Scarecrow @ 12
Actually, this is where I’m getting the ponies for bdu and shooogarp.
If there’s a pony in Iraq, it’s in great danger.
montag @ 17
the crime of the ancient malcontent
my contempt for Liarman will never subside…credits to punaise!
I hate Joe Liberman - he is icky.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 18
Shhh, we’re not supposed to talk about whose great idea it was to take out the Iraqi government, followed by the Irani government, followed by either peace on earth or armageddon, one. Third rail.
Disclaimer: yes, not the whole nation, just as not our whole nation thinks Bush is a swell president. I mean the Likudniks.
egregious @ 14
Yes mam, I was just thinking of you…) I am having a little cake with my cookies at the moment.
Hot tea or something a bit stronger anyone?
Jim Clausen @ 21
some days it goes without saying, but it really never should. all join in! my variant for today:
my contempt for Joe Lieberman continues unabated.
Here’s the answer…and just in time for Christmas:
Eureka,
I’m having wine and cookies. It’s a full meal. Patting self on head for having an excellent well-balanced lunch with plenty of protein, the one thing you can’t skip from day to day.
I learned that when pregnant and not able to keep anything down. The goal: eat one serving of protein a day, and a multivitamin/mineral. The rest could wait. The result: she is 23 and very beautiful. But I still hate dry crackers and herbal tea.
punaise @
25
Are there ghosts of Hanukkas Past and Future? Maybe Joe needs a Scrooge moment or two to wake him from his dream.
Ed*ard Teller @ 28
“chain, chain, chain
the chain of fools”
Ed*ard Teller @ 28
Umm, yes, their names are Larry and Curley. Oh, you meant a “Scrooge” moment. I thought you meant Lieberman needed a “Stooge” moment.
Never mind. :)
Re the Pope, remember the Haditha trial is in the news. Our military shot an entire family, including children down to newborns, in their home. Only this time there were people who recorded what happened. Dear God.
NOT IN MY NAME!!!!!
Senator Bill Nelson on CNN — saying US military in Anbar told him increased troops would help in Anbar province (but not in Baghdad?).
Scarecrow @ 32
Lemme see if I’ve got this. We’re fighting the Sunni in Anbar, but we’re fighting the Shia if they’re related to a al-Sadr.
Um, civil war, taking both sides, wisdom thereof=??
Loserman really has a knack for picking causes to support, doesn’t he?
egregious - Managed to have good lunch as well and squeeze in a bit of baking (improvised butter pecan walnut cake). I really enjoy earl grey or rooibos these days.
23 She’s a baby!
Oh! I am so sorry that this man continues to disgrace the name of CT (Dem primary voters excluded ’cause we rocked). Let us please shine the light on this one:
“After speaking with our military commanders on the ground,” he said . . . *can you hear the whine?* . . . I strongly believe that additional U.S. troops must be deployed to Baghdad.”
Come to think of it maybe it’s time to spotlight this article too.
BTW
When you guys spotlight, usually which editors do you pick?
Eureka Springs, AR @ 35
Kudos to you for getting the baking done! I leave this in the hands of trained professionals, much safer that way.
Maybe lunch is the key meal for those of us who struggle in December. By the time it gets to be dinner, it’s just to **** dark and awful. I read in the ?Times about older people who get especially agitated at sundown. This strikes me as eminently reasonable.
egregious @
33
I guess some would consider taking both sides civil, but it never works. Just finishing reading Donald Kagan’s “The Peloponnesian War.” Some things never change.
My contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside…though it may occasionally be eclipsed by my contempt for George Bush.
My contempt for Joe Lieberman is picking up steam.
neurophius @ 40
Connecticut post, Hartford Courant, New Haven Register. . . heheheh
egregious,
Hang in there. I only got six hours of daylight yesterday. At least I
was ablehad to spend that time outside, where it was fairly bright.ET re Murray Waas, I would cut him some slack about showing emotion for being under attack. The early proofs of his book are undoubtedly circulating in Washington and elsewhere, certain power centers are being threatened, and surprise they are striking back. He is in actual danger. His response of fear is reasonable. I would not compare him with anyone here in that regard.
Asking for prayers and good energy to be sent his way.
My contempt for Joe Lieberman is about to surge
MY contempt for Joey2Face is SURGING.
(first to post wins by a nose.)neurophius @ 44
By the nose of a pony?
———
icasualies.org keeps the sad stats:
http://www.icasualties.org/oif/
Ed*ard Teller @ 42
It’s funny that traveling to Russia in December helps my depression. When I’m there, I feel productive and therefore happy despite the fact that the sun rises at 10 and sets before 4. When I come back it seems so warm and sunny in comparison. So this works for me. Trip was postponed this year to January, but in general I try to go to this dark and cold country in December. Go figure.
Blank Kludge and I get equal credit for that one.
Ed*ard Teller @ 42
Alaska! That is so cool.
Surge. Yowl. Own-y. for a fistful of dollars.
egregious, ET — re: Murray, he’s been really upset about this for months. As a fellow cancer survivor I can tell you, having that kind of private struggle become the subject of a public attack is devastating. He doesn’t have the resources that a NYT or WaPo reporter has to fend off that kind of thing, but that’s also why he gets to do honest, uncompromised reporting.
egregious @
43
Reading back, I thought somebody might take my comment the way you did. Sorry. But he did seem under a LOT of stress in the essay, which was otherwise far less cogent than what he usually writes. As far as investigative writers go, if Greg Palast (for instance) had a third of Waas’s style and a quarter of Waas’s factual content, Palast would get some better gigs. Waas may be the best investigative journalist around right now, and that estimation includes Seymour Hersh.
Speaking of credit…
the ‘zedheads’ from ES/AR was nicely done.
Jane Hamsher @ 50
Can we push back against these…vultures?
egregious @
53
yes, we will
Just left this on the earlier thread, but Orcinus has a mighty fine piece on Waas.
The “surge” people appear to have one retired general in their corner: Gen. Jack Keane, who helped the right-wing AEI think tank put out a pro-surge report called Choosing Victory: A Plan for Success in Iraq.
The Bush administration has latched onto this think tank report as their answer to the ISG report. They’re living in dreamland, but it’s going to be their spin that they really have a plan.
Maybe some bloggers who have more time than I have can go through the AEI report and knock it down (but please don’t claim to “fisk” the report, OK? It’s my pet peeve that some progressive bloggers have picked up this wingnut term).
I wonder how many CT voters are listening to what Joe is saying since he lied his way through the campaign, are they already regretting their vote?
I remember in the second CT Senate debate when he got upset enough to spout off about attacking Iran that he was actually being sincere for a couple of seconds.
Contempt may no longer be the best word for this horrible man.
BK - Thanks for the jerryradio link! Thought a few pups would like that zedtip..)
I did some spotlighting and feel a whole lot brighter now. *Aside from the fact I have a cold and I am tanked on cough medicine* I always rely on FDL for a little X-Mas activist cheer.
mui @ 58
have a Murray Christmas, all
Eureka Springs, AR @ 57
As a CTvoter, it pains me that you talk about CT voters. Especially since I have a cold!
Oops gotta go admire the two-year old nieces artwork or risk being called a mean aunty.
mui - Hope you feel better soon. I mean those who voted for Joe, again.
LIEberwurst, put him on patrol in Sadr City, and let the putz surge.
JH on Waas He doesn’t have the resources that a NYT or WaPo reporter has to fend off that kind of thing…
But he has US.
Obligatory words to show I closed code.
Joe Buck @ 56
Cripes amighty, that didn’t take long:
* Victory is still an option in Iraq. America, a country of 300 million people with a GDP of $12 trillion, and more than 1 million soldiers and marines can regain control of Iraq, a state the size of California with a population of 25 million and a GDP under $100 billion.
The other day, the Army stated its active-duty strength at 507k. The Marines couldn’t be any more than 100k, I’d think. Where are the other 400k? Guard and reserve? They’re hardly the kind of force you talk about sending to some foreign land to fight an increasingly unpopular war for a protracted period, and even activating them here has considerable political and economic costs.
Lieberman statements in Hartford Courant re the rationale for a “surge”
Lieberman quotes
Somedays, I just want to go back to Connecticut and visit all of the houses that I canvassed where the voter was leaning towards Lieberman, I would knock on their doors, vomit on their Welcome Mat and say “Merry Christmas!”
Then I would feel a little better. At least until the next time Joe induces another nauseous moment.
OT, but as we were thinking about Marla Ruzicka and Rachel Corrie earlier, this from the Toronto Star:
Opting to avoid the dangerous liaisons of Middle East politics, the Canadian Stage Company has called off plans to bring the play My Name Is Rachel Corrie to Toronto, the Star has learned.
Martin Bragg, artistic producer of Canstage, said in a phone interview yesterday that he has changed his mind and decided not to make the controversial play the centrepiece of the theatre’s 2007/2008 subscription series as he was publicly suggesting only a month ago.
http://www.thestar.com/artsent.....cle/164309
NYT confirmed Lieberman trainees are vulnerable in ‘08 with Landrieu and Pryor considered two of the top three most vulnerable. (Johnson SD is the third - hello?)
I am beginning to hear rumors of challengers (no names yet) in the midst for Pryors seat. Lots of folks are hoping Wes Clark will run for his seat.
At the end of the day; it’s up to the Democrats.
goldberry @ 66
taking canvassing to a new level…LOL
goldberry @ 66
I wish I could be out there now too. I said over and over that he’d be asking for more troops before the end of the year. Painfully, I (we) were correct. Ned would probably win if the election were today.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 68
And leave the morning thru afternoon to Republicans? I don’t think so…)
Ed*ard Teller @
70
this is a job for Wyatt *Urp*
Eureka Springs, AR @ 57
We listening to jerry radio? nice.
Dedicated neo-fascist like Patterico are STILL pushing Malkin’s meme for all it’s worth.
To hear it from them the AP is run by Baathists.
Thanks for the jerryradio link
I thought about Jerry Garcia while strolling though the Haight-Ashbury earlier today with visions of sugar
plumsmagnolias…Commander Kagan of the PNAC special force that’s who he is talking to.
punaise @
25
If “Smarmy” could have ever been personified, its name would be Joe Lieberman. I would have never thought that “ick” could be part of “smarmy”, but now I see that such a thing is indeed possible.
punaise @ 76
Oh jeez. I was one of those slightly smelly kids who showed up every December (New Years)and every February (Mardigras/Chinese New Year/Warfield) way back when.
Is the city still nice sober?
Joke - “How can you tell if a hippie has been visiting your house?”
- He’s still there. :)
Let’s call Joe Lieberman what he is:
An inSURGEnt.
UP - jerryradio works on dialup (BK gave you an h/t when passing that link along)
Ah, my old neighborhood, punaise, doing a bit of flower shopping?
Urban Pirate @ 79
who said anything about sober? :~)
Eureka Springs, AR @ 81
Amoeba Records
Eureka Springs, AR @ 81
That was nice of him. :) I forgot I turned him on to it. I really love streaming/downloadable/digital audio. I ripped all my cd’s to hard drive last month. I have over 180 DAYS of music on my IPod.
I recently got turned on to bittorrent and downloading GD .shn files. I used to collect tapes way back when but honestly hardly ever listen anymore. Seeing all the stuff thats available for download - the best shows w/ amazing quality - woot!
punaise @ 82
hah. But I know you’re an old fart like me.
Urban Pirate:
I never HEARD OF ‘Reconstruction’…but thanks to your link I’ve had my awareness augmented.
…and Pig ‘In The Pines’ - from ‘66. Who woulda thunkit would be taped lo those many moons ago.
Punaise (et al SFans) supposedly ‘Mission in the Rain’ is alluding to that area.
http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/mission.html
—–
On topic:
Joey2Face has been reading (that AEI atrocity)…many more will be weepin’…
I have a couple hundred shows on tape (about 60 masters) I really need to figure out how to get them onto my mac hard drive before they disintegrate.
I Ushered at the warfield for years. Best living room ever (we used to say).
I want accountability. For almost three-thousand American soldier’s deaths and over half a million Iraqi dead. I want out of Iraq. I want the Israeli government and military out of Gaza.
Urban Pirate @ 85
yep. those
tragically hipdays are long gonenew thead up: scarecrow channeling Bob Barker
Jane Hamsher @ 54
It’s the right thing to do. And if I know firepups, the right thing is THE thing.
Ned Lamont is having a gathering on Jan 11 in New Haven.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 87
Hmm. I’m not sure of the best way to capture the audio. If they’re dat, I bet its simpler.
Man, I loved JGB shows at the Warfield. It really was the best place ever.
punaise @ 89
Yeah, well, at this age it would kill us, lol.
As a Connecticut resident who voted against Joe may I just say “I DESPISE JOE LIEBERMAN”?
Urban Pirate @ 92
Cassettes and quite a few JGB warfield shows. When I figure it all out I would be happy to send you some - good times.
CNN has a story about the umbrella organization for all insurgent groups offering the US a 30-day truce if the US starts withdrawing it’s troops. Plus leave all their heavy weaponry behind. I can’t wait for the WH/DoD response, if any. What I really expect is an increase in resistance activity in the near future.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/.....index.html
The Butcher’s Bill as of 9:15pm EST - 2964
I wonder if Lieberman was born a dick, or if he has to practice it. I could carve a better man out of a banana.
bookwoman @
95
please do.
old new thread
Great youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;search=
From tpartyblog
Sen. Lieberman is “getting tougher” on I Sen. Lieberman is “getting tougher” on Iraq
Lieberschmuck will send anybody’s kid but his own to certain death. He’s like that.
Let’s not forget the Bush twins and Cheney’s daughters. Seems they’re like that too.
WARMONGER OF THE YEAR:
JINSA presents an annual Distinguished Service Award, named in honor of the late-Senator Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson to U.S. government leaders.
Last year the recipient was General Peter Pace.
This years recipient is none other the AIPAC Butt Boy and USS Liberty Coverup Specialist, JOHN McCain.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/.....es0712.htm
Tuesday December 5th, JINSA is proud to honor Senator John McCain with the 24th annual “Scoop Jackson Distinguished Service Award…sponsored by Rolls Royce.
DO THE MATH FOLKS!
http://www.jinsa.org/home/home.html
McCain / Lieberman is your future.
DO THE MATH
Possible McCain-Lieberman Alliance
Introducing McCain to a packed ball room of pro-Israel business executives, defense contractors, and Washington insiders, was Sen. Joseph Lieberman, fresh from being re-elected as an independent after losing the Democratic Party primary in Connecticut.
Lieberman’s glowing tribute to his Republican colleague did not go unnoticed. “McCain-Lieberman? There’s something to that,” JINSA board member Morris J. Amitay told the crowd.
http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....shtml?s=lh
JINSA presents an annual Distinguished Service Award, named in honor of the late-Senator Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson to U.S. government leaders.
Last year the recipient was General Peter Pace.
This years recipient is none other the AIPAC Butt Boy and USS Liberty Coverup Specialist, JOHN McCain.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/.....es0712.htm
Tuesday December 5th, JINSA is proud to honor Senator John McCain with the 24th annual “Scoop Jackson Distinguished Service Award…sponsored by Rolls Royce.
DO THE MATH FOLKS!
http://www.jinsa.org/home/home.html
McCain / Lieberman is your future.
DO THE MATH
Possible McCain-Lieberman Alliance
Introducing McCain to a packed ball room of pro-Israel business executives, defense contractors, and Washington insiders, was Sen. Joseph Lieberman, fresh from being re-elected as an independent after losing the Democratic Party primary in Connecticut.
Lieberman’s glowing tribute to his Republican colleague did not go unnoticed. “McCain-Lieberman? There’s something to that,” JINSA board member Morris J. Amitay told the crowd.
http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....shtml?s=lh
MEL SEMBLER HOSTED A FUNDRAISER FOR JOE LIEBERMAN???
WHAT’S THE DEAL…REALLY?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....1#comments
WHY DOES LIEBERMAN FAVOR WAR?
Just follow the trail of the money!
MEL SEMBLER:
Mel Sembler—U.S. Ambassador to Italy, although he can’t speak Italian. Election Fraud specialist. Owns the Bay Point School in Florida allegedly used for testing election fraud devices in 1999.
Involved in creating the forged yellowcake documents that led to the War in Iraq. National Finance Chairman Republican Party, head of finance for Bush presidential campaign. Past hon. Pres. Republican Jewish Coalition.
The United States has given Israel over 90 billion dollars in foreign aid. In 2003, Israel received $53.4 Million dollars a day from the traitors in Congress. That’s a very solid return on the AIPAC contributions that Israel pays out to U.S. Congressmen.
ISRAEL RECEIVED up to $75 billion as emergency aid, directly connected to the war on Iraq. This amounts to 2500% increase in aid to support Israel in a war that they have claimed they are not involved in. Who is benefiting from the war on Iraq?
Follow the trail of the money!
Iraqi oil flowing to Israel….
http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
WHO IS MEL SEMBLER??? WHY IS HE HEADING UP THE SCOOTER LIBBY LEGAL DEFENSE FUND? HERE’S WHY:
WHEN was he Ambassador to Italy? Does 2002 ring any bells in your head? Well it should– remember all the secret meetings in Italy involving Ledeen et al, and the forged documents about uranium from Africa that turned up at the US Embassy that October? Yes, THAT October 2002…. So we have Sembler at the scene of the crime related to the crime Scooter is being investigated for.
WHO ELSE HAS RUSHED TO LIBBY’S DEFENSE?
Sounds like a PNAC Picnic roster…
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/4299
WHY DID ISRAEL WANT THE US TO INVADE IRAQ, AND INVENT FALSE INTELLIGENCE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN?
http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....tml?sub=AR
http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/757886.php
Gov. Jeb Bush once named a “Betty Sembler Day” in Florida to honor his wife’s ongoing, taxpayer-funded campaigns on behalf of workplace urine tests.
http://media.orkut.com/articles/0145.html