
Via Josh Marshall, we learn that the AP is trying to find out what happens to Guantanamo Bay detainees once they are released. These are, after all, the people who were so very dangerous that we desperately needed to legalize torture, whom the Pentagon referred to as "among the most dangerous, best-trained, vicious killers on the face of the Earth."
The AP tracked 245 of them in an investigation including 17 countries where they had been released, and found:
- Once the detainees arrived in other countries, 205 of the 245 were either freed without being charged or were cleared of charges related to their detention at Guantanamo. Forty either stand charged with crimes or continue to be detained.
- Only a tiny fraction of transferred detainees have been put on trial. The AP identified 14 trials, in which eight men were acquitted and six are awaiting verdicts. Two of the cases involving acquittals — one in Kuwait, one in Spain — initially resulted in convictions that were overturned on appeal.
- The Afghan government has freed every one of the more than 83 Afghans sent home. Lawmaker Sibghatullah Mujaddedi, the head of Afghanistan's reconciliation commission, said many were innocent and wound up at Guantanamo because of tribal or personal rivalries.
- At least 67 of 70 repatriated Pakistanis are free after spending a year in Adiala Jail. A senior Pakistani Interior Ministry official said investigators determined that most had been "sold" for bounties to U.S. forces by Afghan warlords who invented links between the men and al-Qaida. "We consider them innocent," said the official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue.
- All 29 detainees who were repatriated to Britain, Spain, Germany, Russia, Australia, Turkey, Denmark, Bahrain and the Maldives were freed, some within hours after being sent home for "continued detention."
So did the government just sweep up a group of swarthy people on shaky evidence and then undermine deeply held core values of the American public abhoring the notion of torture as part of a big exercise in machismo posturing, or did they just release a passel of stone killers into the wild?
Or maybe the AP is, you, know, just completely full of shit. No doubt Michelle Malkin will, on her trip to Iraq, uncover evidence that no other journalist seems to be able to unearth which will thoroughly discredit the AP and cast this and all their other silly investigations into the dustbin where they belong.
(Note: I hope everyone is conscious of the scarcasm dripping from the last paragraph. Michelle Malkin will uncover evidence in Iraq about the time Assrocket finds evidence of WMDs in the document dump.)
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TeddySanFran @ 0
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Well, it appears the military believes all the good guys are released, and only bad guys are left, so it’s okay to clamp down on those left.
Military taking a tough line with detainees
How does one excuse that horrible abuse of rights? I guess the average winger just overlooks it and even defends it, until he or she is the direct physical victim of it. What then will they say?
This makes me sick. The way I feel must be like what rational Germans felt when the Nazis started rounding people up. I understand now what has always been beyond understanding: How they could let it happen. I don’t feel like I am “letting it happen.” I feel powerless — and not against the government, but against the mouthpieces of government.
When will the corporate media begin to express the outrage demaned by this Gestapo-like processing of people?
If we don’t, as a nation, impeach Bush, Cheney, et al for their crimes — yes, crimes against humanity, melodramatic as that sounds, then we are saying it’s okay. We will become accomplices, because the government really is us.
Yes, it’s time to defend the detention of Swarthy People. It takes the publics attention from the fact that women in Iraq now have to have a male escort to leave their homes.
That Afghanistan, the source of so many Swarthy Ones is turning into another BunnyPants Patented Disaster of the the First Magnitude. (Oh, and wasn’t that the source of all/many the Dangerous Swarthy Ones locked up in GITMO?)
It’s truly amazing that our government makes dictators look amazingly (1) competant and (2) benevolent. Freedoms is on the march doncha know?
[shameless blogwhoring] Visit DemVet [/shameless blogwhoring], because well, it’s the holidaze.
No doubt Michelle Malkin will, on her trip to Iraq…
Speaking of swarthy people in a war-zone for no apparent reason….
Jane Hamsher:
Given the competence of this administration, they probably swept up a group of swarthy people on shaky evidence and released a passel of stone killers into the wild.
Never assume that the Bushies can’t multitask.
Malkin is completely deluded, consumed by the “illusion of grandeur.” Who, and what, are her sources? And who are her contacts in Iraq? In Baghdad? Does she have a network of resources?
yes.
Lambert has a related post, where are the bodies?
I am having less and less hope that the Democrats will do the right thing. I feel that they are going to vote to continue the war and fund it. No parameters will be set. No rights will be restored. And by hook or crook the senate will revert back to the repugs. The good guy Democrats still don’t out number the idiot bubble people like Emanuel. At some point the people are going to have to start demonstrating in person in mass all over the country. It is the only way to start a true, powerful shift towards morality.
At some point the people are going to have to start demonstrating in person in mass all over the country. It is the only way to start a true, powerful shift towards morality.
A one day boycott of gasoline would make more sense.
Alice Marshall @ 13
I disagree. Nothing says “Stop the Murder and Mayhem” quite like an angry mass of pissed off humans. A peaceful angry mass of pissed off humans.
Almost entirely unsourced AP article in WaPo about options W has rejected, leaving him few dramatic choices.
Excerpt:
We’re going to war on Iraq, folks.
Maybe the Cheney administration’s rationale is that four years of torture transformed dangerous killers into good citizens of the world.
Mary McCurnin @ 14
Change comes through the ballot. The Repugs need to be voted out, one by one. The presidency in 2008 is next.
Here’s my fantasy demonstration, no permit required.
Everybody dresses all in black, no signs, no chants. Just quietly walking in single file around and around the block(s) on the sidewalk. Eventually somebody would just *have* to ask what you’re all doing, and then you could tell them. “We’re in mourning for democracy and (insert issue here)”.
Don’t forget the thousands they rounded up and flew out of this country to points unknown
Yea, I’m serious, if I can dig up the link, I’ll pass it along
Hey Linda ~~ waving
This will be Bush’s Cambodia…
He needs to be impeached for high treason…
Of course, the fucking Generals recommend
a policy to WIN the war, that’s why they
exist… it is expected…
It is UNWINABLE…
Bush thinks he is Truman…
maybe Capote…
Jack
SusanD @ 18
Wow - I’ve had a similar thought. Wouldn’t it be cool to have “flash” rallies like that all over the counry. No grandstanders, no speeches, just the very pissed off grassroots.
Hey John! ~~ waving too
Mary McCurnin @ 12
You, I am afraid, just may be quite right, in your assessment of the Demos and Iraq, and their prolonging of this crime against humanity.
Rather vile comment at 100 on prev thread.
this is pretty clear;
cheney, rumsfeld and bush had hard on’s for torture.
every branch of the armed forces were against it, they told us in no uncertain terms it harms OUR soldiers
and really, the president CLAIMED we were trying to “win the hearts and minds” of these people
HOW THE HELL DOES ANYONE THINK WE CAN WIN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS IF WE HAVE POLICIES THAT INCLUDE TORTURE?
what KIND of morons are these IDIOTS!!!
it is CLEAR, when we have policies that include torture, THE PEOPLE WILL HATE US, they will band against us, THEY WILL FORM INSURGENCIES to have us REMOVOVED
that’s the OPBVIOUS
then of course, unilaterally obsolving treaties previous adminsitions are signatories UNDSERMINES THE INTEGRITY of this country and MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO BROKER TREATIES IN THE FUTURE
it is a VITAL tool of national security to be able to broker treaties
MORE THEN THAT;
the interrogaters have told us they got more, better qualified information before the president forced them to torture.
this is one sick bunch of people…THEY KNEW they would be obsolving treaties THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO OBSOLVE, they KNEW they would be alienating the people WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WINNING HEARTS AND MINDS, they KNEW their action would CREATE MORE INSURGENTS AND MORE TERRORISM
it is simply UNBELIEVABLE what this congress has allowed this president to get away with
if the democrats become CLEAR, make it KNOWN the damage that has been cuased to our integrity, our national security, the future for our childrem, EVEN THE REPUBLICANS will be on board with impeachment
this is about making information known to the public
NOT just “he tortured”, but HE HARMED OUR SOLDIERS WHEN THE MILITARY TOLD HIM HE WAS HARMING OUR SOLDIERS”
NOT;
he allowed torture but;
HE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF IRAQI’S
NOT;
“he allowed torture”, but
HE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR FUTURE PRESIDENTS TO BROKER A TREATY
NOT;
“he allowed torture” but
“HE MADE CERTAIN THE INSURGENTS WOULD GROW, HE MADE CERTAIN TERRORISM WOULD GROW, HE MADE CERTAIN OUR CHILDREN WOULD BE FIGHTING WAR AGAINS A COUNTRY HE KNEW POSED NO THREAT WHAT SO EVER”
a really sick bunch we have up there, that is for certain
There is *some* difference. The Republicans didn’t need us to get re-elected. The Democrats do. We’ll just have to ratchet up the “feet to the fire” thing. All of us.
Biodun @ 17
Change did not come through the ballot during the Vietnam War. It came through non-violent protest. And how many will die before ‘08. There is nothing illegal or wrong with taking to the streets. It can be a palpable and reasoned approach.
This pix at the top conjures images of Dachau, Treblinka or Auschwitz.
perris speaks for me.
There were large demonstrations in 2002 and even biggers ones on valentines day in 2003, all over the country, indeed all over the world. They had no effect.
The only thing this crowd understands is the raw exercise of power. We have done this at the voting booth, with some effect. The only thing left is economic power. If every one who voted Democratic last month were to refrain from buying gas for one day the effect would be a political/economic earthquake. That really is the only thing this crowd understands.
Really, those maids and janitors in Birmingham, Alabama walked to work for months, but we cannot put off gassing up for one day. Pathetic.
If the Democrats continue the war in Iraq, then this war will no longer be the Bush war. It will be my party’s war.
egregious @ 24
New to me, though, was the term “chickendoves” used to castigate those of us who’ve not been incarcerated (yet!) for our beliefs in peace for humankind.
Yes, we can boycott for one day. But how much of a sacrifice is that. Why not a week. Or longer. Show the oil companies (Bush Admin) that we are ready to stand up in a way that really hurts them.
I like the troll in the previous thread.
He said my ass was skinny. What more can you ask from a troll? Don’t delete!
For many of the detainees, mostly the high profile ones, it appears to be something else. When links to the past coincide with activities of the circle of this administration, it looks more like BushCo is trying to silence witnesses/participants of past criminal covert ventures.
TeddySanFran @ 32
I vote for “turducken”.
It’s an antiwar coalition of chickenturkeys, chickenducks and chickenchickens.
Mary McCurnin @ 27
Millions upon millions took to the streets to PREVENT the war….and it didn’t work.
jane hamsher @ 34
hmmm
makes me start thinking about jane’s ass
must take a time out…be back in a few
egregious @
24
Seriously? I show no comments after #70, by one J.C. Christian, Patriot.
Seriously. And, you’re welcome.
Not content to legalize “enhanced interrogation” techniques by US forces via the MCA, it appears the US is urging the British to do the same.
US pressed UK to toughen interrogations
perris @ 38
But we’ll always have perris.
egregious @
24
Which thread?
Onward to Iraq only goes to 70 on my tubes
Jesus Lord. I just said something that the troll did about demonstrating. Help.
Someone needs to find out where exactly the front runners for the Democratic nomination for president in 2008 stands on the Iraq war. We need to hold his/HER feet to the fire on this.
jane hamsher @
34
ROTFLMSAO!
Except for the chill of the draft, this whole “ramping up” the war experience is SOOO Vietnam.
Anyone else remember the crazed response to upside down flag decals in car windows back in the day? Now, sans draft, sporting a “support the troops” magnet is about as amped up as the masses are gonna get about the fate of soldiers in Iraq.
It is too much betrayal of their enlisted sons and daughters for most families of soldiers to go into the streets these days. And they have the most at stake in this insanity.
It was from the college campuses that the anti-war element gathered strength. It was mostly college age folks who provided the boots on the ground both in Vietnam and against the War at Home.
What’s at stake is just notsomuch for most of the citizens at this point. The economy stupid is just not as desperate yet as it can get before the rest of the country thinks about the meaning of this hopeless situation.
Bush believes it will just take more troops. He believes it. End of story.
I want out of Iraq. God damn it. I want a Palestinian homeland. Another God damn it.
jane hamsher @ 34
…wisdom and a skinny ass.
angie @ 45
I’m making a list of things it’s okay to say. Blog etiquette is not alway intuitive.
bg
“Bush believes it will just take more troops. He believes it. End of story.”
Idiot Magical Thinking. IMT
Mary McCurnin @ 33
For the individual consumer delaying refilling the gas tank for one day is easy. For an oil company a significant reduction in even one day’s sales would be an earthquake.
The idea is not to show sacrifice, the idea is to bring about change. For the blacks in Birmingham, AL that meant months of walking to work, for us even one day would alter the national debate. For one thing it would show that we had the power to do such a thing if we wanted to.
For example, we could have a one day boycott of gas. Assuming we could pull that off (a huuuuuugggggggeeeeeeee assumption) we could threaten to escalate it if there were no moves to evacuate our personnel. Then we could have a 2 day boycott. Gradually increasing the pressure. My guess, we would never have to boycott a whole week. Just showing we have the power to do such a thing would put the fear of God into the powers that be.
The workers of Poland stayed off of work for a whole month in 1980, under vastly more threatening conditions. But we cannot refrain from buying gasoline for even one day. Pathetic.
AP - Sen. Evan Bayh on Saturday ended his White House bid while 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards finalized plans to get in, fast-paced jockeying in a Democratic race under the shadow of two unannounced candidates.
Montgomery Bus Boycott
John Casper @ 53
Montgomery. My mistake.
I agree Alice Marshall.
:)
John Casper @ 53
And on that day, everybody wears orange jumpsuits.
egregious @
24
No point in feeding that troll, regardless of his opinion on the fine ladies at FDL’s collective asses.
I’m sure we’ve all met the type outside of cyber space…inveterate NRA enthusiasts (literature on how gun regulation is the first step towards fascism piled high in mildewed boxes in the basement)…rabid proponents of strong defense initiatives…usually subscribes to both Soldier of Fortune and a variety of muscle building magazines…lives on protein shakes and anabolic steroids…never been to war…never enlisted in the service…not a member of Lion’s Club or the PTA or any redeemable social organization…does know how to make pipe bombs, though and can kick your ass in Halo any damn day of the week.
Now that I think about it, I haven’t received my Solder of Fortune this month. How will I ever fantasize about being a Mercenary in Costa Rica now????!!!!
I would dearly love to see a boycott of oil/gas and everything else… for a day or two or a week, or once a month.
No school, work etc. for people that are not directly involved in health and safety of regular folks…
A massive shut down and hunkering down with our brothers and sisters and loved ones all around the world in a protest for peace & justice. A way to show solidarity and that they do not do this in our name.
johnSwifty says:
December 16th, 2006 at 1:38 pm *
egregious @
24
Rather vile comment at 100 on prev thread.
No point in feeding that troll, regardless of his opinion on the fine ladies at FDL’s collective asses.
Without expressing such an opinion (though I’m sure it would be favorable), I don’t see any such comment.
Last I looked, and refreshed, stopped right around #72.
Saturday, December 16, 2006
Richardson to criticize McCain’s Iraq plan
WASHINGTON (CNN) — New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson will denounce Sen. John McCain’s, R-Arizona, suggestion that more U.S. troops are needed in Iraq when he appears Saturday at a New Hampshire Democratic Party event, his campaign said.
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/bl.....-iraq.html
semi off topic: One way of supporting our troops is to give to the USO’s phone home program. The $$ goes to calling cards so the troops can talk to their loved ones.
I personally think that as part of their licensing requirements phone companies should be required to provide all of them so much free time per month, but I guess I’d be accused of being a socialist for advocating that!
jayt @ 59
It’s at “1:00″ o’clock in the previous thread. Egregious was too savvy a comment crawler for me, too, at first blush.
jayt @
59
SIte is misbehaving. 100 accused us chicken doves of wishing harm to MM and hoping bullet in the head would (and he seemed to be quoting someone - although no such quote can be found)”open her eyes”. He found this racist. Projection much?
No problem Alice, it was a tremendous strategic and non-violent victory. I’m just happy you brought it up. It’s a victory the entire reality-based-community can look back on with great pride.
It’s as though someone wandered in from a Right Wing Nuthouse or something
He found this racist. Projection much?
On a post speaking of Malkin?
Thanks, P4/4. ‘Nuff said. And well said.
Matt Damon says: ship the Bush twins off to Iraq.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....f-to-iraq/
rumi @
65
I’m thinking rift in space time continuum (rstc); from some alternate reality where someone in the future might have been going to (subjunctive in english no worky for rstc speculation — en francias poor favor, punaise :) suggest she take a round to the noggin. I don’t think that would be a good approach in any reality though, like a grizzly, it would probably just piss her off.
rumi– as the General said last thread with regard to slippage of codpieces:
bully for the Right-stringed walnut-ists!
Jane, didja notice that the skinny ass commentor thought you were a “he”.
Must have been hard for him to type correctly what with him being chained to that gate and all.
And while all of the hippie types were chained to fences what were Bush and Dick doing?????? Drinkin and Chicken Hawkin.
ABCNews.com has a red top BREAKING:
Bush to send 30k more troops…
As if we didn’t know that already. Now, it seems ‘reality’ is about to rear that ugly head.
—-
Oh, wrt Truan Capote and Bush:
(although Capote was undoubtedly ‘eccentric’ in more than one way…)
‘In Cold Blood’ is a brilliant piece of non-fiction. W would never have the talent or tenacity to do such work. Closest would be that HE is one of the two n’er-de-wells or mock them at the eleveth hour.
just sayin’
LindaR @
61
That’s just what we need more of. Social Security works.
Now we need socialized medicine, and if soldiers are fighting in our stead, the phone companies can certainly sacrifice a bit.
Blank Kludge @ 72
In Cold Blood IS brilliant. I rarely read books twice. That is one I’ve read three times. The depths of empathy which Capote was able to plumb scares me to even contemplate. I can only imagine it cost him sorely; too sorely for words, perhaps.
While you discuss torture, don’t forget Jesselyn Radack, the first person to blow the whistle on our torture policy.
http://www.patriotictruthteller.net
After everything that happened to her, is it any wonder that Ray McGovern, Dan Elsburg, and Ann Wright are actively supporting her newly released book?
angie @ 68
…proudly part of the pray-lean brigade, are they?
JS @ December 16th, 2006 at 1:56 pmedst
That rstc is so tricky that most mere mortals exploring a future past perfect tense, of sense and poor defense, would not have learned from history yet done to undo the unattained mistakes of forefathers still unborn.
The rule is,….don’t f*ck with it if you didn’t break it first, the first time?
rumi,
Can you say that three times fast?
It’s turning into an interesting Christmas season for those mothers, fathers, wives, sons and daughters who’ll get to lose a husband, a father, a son in the next few weeks (and of course years) as the American death tally in Iraq ho ho hoses it to 3,000 while our Lord and Savior president and decider decides not to decide what to decide next for Iraq until — maybe to please Jenna and the other one —“after the holidays,” as the phraseology of the corporate cruiser goes. As long as the Dow keeps breaking records, why worry? This is the man about whom Peggy Noonan, the Bush family publicist, once said that “eloquence is in his plainspokenness, in the fact that each word is a simple coin with a definite worth.”
http://www.pierretristam.com/
Blank Kludge @ 72
“Hey, mebbe if Ah kills me a few thousin more Murkins and a few hunnerd thousin more Eye-rakis, Ah kin salvidge muh leggie-see.”
Fuck you, you stupid sociopathic crackerbilly.
Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box.
rumi @ 75
Man, you coulda just said don’t let Ashton Kutcher make quasi-sci-fi movies. But, I have to admit that deciphering your verbiage was better by far. At least I’ll get those two minutes of my life back in terms of verb conjugation…with Ashton’s work…not so much.
This entire prisoner issue is mind-bending. I feel sick for all the ruined lives…
OT–
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/.....62006.html
Per Blank Kludge, ABC News link Bush May Back Sending More Troops to Iraq
Chicago Tribune had a similar article. My guess is that these are WH trial balloons to test support among the GOP. I have no doubt the extending of tours to accomplish this has already started. Bush is simply testing GOP response to announcing it.
Obviously, this contradicts all the WH/Iraq Slow-Learners Group rhetoric about “training” the Iraqi’s to fight.”
johnSwifty says:
December 16th, 2006 at 2:05 pm *
Blank Kludge @ 72
ABCNews.com has a red top BREAKING:
Bush to send 30k more troops…
Well, just to re-thread a couple of re-treads…
jayt says:
December 15th, 2006 at 8:43 am *
Well, I’ve got all my money on “One More Big Push” in Iraq.
and
jayt says:
December 15th, 2006 at 8:50 am *
Maybe the reason GWB is holding off on his announcement of what he’s gonna do differently in Iraq is that he hasn’t yet found, on his listening tour, anyone who agrees with him?
When he announces “One More Big Push”, he’s gonna want *someone* who’s got his back.
(ed note) aside, that is, from McCain and Lieberman, and ther tres cute matching leather jackets.
(snip)
Not that some of us didn’t see this coming, or anything….
Mary McCurnin @ 75
ready…?
that-that-taht
….ah damn…*blush*, I guess not.
angie @ 58
It is just not realistic to organize that. People are not going to jeprodize their jobs for something like that. Why put ordinary people thru agony if we don’t have to? Or, much more likely, set ourselves up for failure? Why not do what is easy for us and painful for the powers-that-be? Why should we sacrifice when we can put all the sacrifice on the back of Exxon? Or the oil industry as a whole?
The point isn’t to sacrifice, except as necessary, the point is to bring about change. Besides, you have to be practicle. It is extrememly unlikely that you could organize a one day boycott of gasoline, there is NO possibility of a Poland-1980 Solidarity general strike.
Something I learned at FDL, Harper Lee (TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD) and Capote grew up together as friends in Monroeville AL.
It is extrememly unlikely that you could organize a one day boycott of gasoline, there is NO possibility of a Poland-1980 Solidarity general strike.
Especially if you can be sure that the media won’t cover it.
John Casper @
87
Yes and can you imagine the marvelous conversations they must have had!?
Yes, Capote was the Dill character.
Mary McCurnin! My humble apology for any confusion about whether I was referring to your 1:00 comment here or the 1:00 on the previous thread!
johnSwifty @ 79
yaknow, I’ve been railing against all of this current insanity and inhumanity since 2002. When I first stumbled onto it, without any background or experience, I really didn’t even have anyone to talk to about it. Each day brought new outrage and there were countless, “This is the one!” moments that I was just sure would wake people up to what was happening. Somehow, we’re not much closer to stopping the cabal but there are, thankfully, many more people pissed off and going after them.
Trying to understand the conjugation of an action, not to be done in the future in order to remedy the past in pursuing the goal of preventing a current disaster…just seems easier.
Moderator would you please change “100″ to “1:00″ in my 24? Thanks.
I don’t want whoever is posting comment #100 to get tarred by my clumsy spelling.
Mary McCurnin @ 90
That’s one of the few other books that I’ve read three times. And I can’t count the number of times I’ve watched Greg Peck. He WAS Atticus!
So there it is
the traditional traumatic decision of my youth and my generation. It comes down to this?
“One More Big Push”
“Timely Pullout and Total Withdrawal”
Alice — lots of people have precious vacation days that they can use. I am talking about the “latte drinking, volvo liberals” who may be able to afford to do this and have been so reviled by the republicans, and for everyone to do what they can– however they can! I mean to hurt nobody that believes that America is better than this; but these are dangerous times and people are dying.
MLK exhorted his brothers and sisters in this country to “march”. I reckon we could do the same.
rumi @ 92
I hear that. Thank god for FDL. Not only does it offer a place to blow off the necessary steam; it offers opinions and links from sources I wouldn’t have stumbled into on my own. As depressing as the rest of the world’s inability to wake up and smell the coffee can be (and it is crushing some days), it is far better to face the world with a more concise understanding of facts and circumstances.
And, then there’s frivolous word play and cookie recipes!
Is it really bad of me to hope that Malkin gets to Iraq and is kidnapped and held for a month or two? (Not that I want to wish her on the insurgents, who don’t need that form of evil, but she needs the experience of being on the short end for real.)
John Casper @ 83
There’s a new thread about this…
egregious @ 89
Jeebus, I didn’t even notice.
I am off to visit Wally the Best Dog Ever at the vet. hospital. He is in diabetic ketosis but is much better today. He will soon be our million dollar doggie. Worth it though.
angie @ 96
I told Siun I’d “march” the other day. She told me to read a book by Fisk. I can march and read at the same time. Where you wanna start? Where ya wanna go? Will there be lattes?
johnSwifty– to the White House and the Mall and everywhere “they” are!
Fisk’s book is fabulous and totally worth at least one read! ;)
We marched in 2002, we marched in 2003, what happened? nothing.
These were large marches, and not just in NYC and DC. Nothing happened.
We need someway to get their attention, some way that does not involve undue sacrifice on the part of ordinary Americans.
Dont know if this was posted yesterday
O.J. Simpson’s would-be publisher fired
Judith Regan was fired Friday, ending her sensational, scandalous tenure at Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
We have to do something…march, boycott…in addition to raising public awareness.
I’d like to say thanks again for all of the intelligent, compassionate souls here at FDL and for all I learn from these conversations.
The most important thing I relearn everyday is…yes, it does matter.
Why isn’t Joe Lieberman’s son (I think he’s about 19 yrs. or so) serving in Iraq? Couldn’t be because the son knows better?