
People are feeling a bit testy and conflicted about the decision of the Blue Dog and other conservative Democrats to meet with George Bush. Some say a little bipartisanship and good will never hurt anyone, so why worry?
Well, when Steny Hoyer was campaigning for the job of Majority Leader, one of the things he pointed to with pride was his ability to hold the Democrats together:
I have been very supportive in helping create the most unified Democratic Party in half a century. Nancy and I have created cohesion. That was critically important to our success and will be critically important as we move forward. It will certainly be my intention to do in coming years as I have done in the last four, that is, work very closely with Nancy Pelosi to create the cohesion that will be essential to the new direction of Congress and the Country.
So I guess we're going to go with the notion that party unity is a good thing, for a variety of reasons. Who then are the troubled players, the ones who are already prone to buck the party's efforts to hang together?
Let's look at Chris Bowers' Congressional Loyalty Scorecard for 2005:
Out of the nine votes (the child interstate notification abortion act has since been added to the original eight) and the one proxy vote (I have also added Social Security to the totals via the Fainthearted Faction and Conscience Caucus collected by TPM) here are the current levels of party loyalty among different groups in the House:
- All Democrats: 82.5%
- All Republicans: 96.1%
- DLC: 79.0%
- Democrats, non-DLC: 83.3%
- Blue Dog Democrats: 54.3%
- Non-Blue Dog Democrats: 88.3%
Bingo. Caucus disunity has a name-o. Outside of the Blue Dogs, Democratic Party loyalty on the important, party differentiating votes in the House is comparable to Republicans: 88.3% to 96.1%. Further, Blue Dog Party loyalty, 54.3%, is massively lower than that found either in the DLC, 79.0%, or among non-Blue Dog Democrats, 88.3%. Overall, the thirty-five members of the Blue Dog coalition account for 44.9% of all Democratic Party defections over these ten votes / issues, even though they only make up 17.2% of the caucus.
Now it's quite possible nothing but tea and sympathy will be exchanged at this meeting with President Bad Ideas. But if there was ever a group of Democrats to worry about in this instance when it comes to creating problems for Nancy Pelosi in the upcoming legislative session, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out who that might be.
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Aren’t these the same ones who complain about people wanting more progressives in Congress? I’d like fewer Blue Dog Democrats in Congress after the next election!
B-I-N-G-O-!
B-I-N-G-O-!
B-I-N-G-O-!
…and Bingo was his name-o!
Thank you, Jane.
I have confidence in Speaker Pelosi. I am still smarting from the Hoyer episode. And my bet is, so is Pelosi. I want to kick some ass! There is a struggle going on. I have to stop. I’m thinking about getting angry.
good targetting
let’s calibrate a trained eye upon these…what?
these demonstrably less than loyal members
touche’ Prez of Bad Ideas
Do you own a Blue Dog? Please be kind, spay or neuter. The breed has an unacceptably high incidence of attacks against its owners.
Who are the members of the Blue Dogs?
hey, Jacqrat!
SusanD @ 5
Actually, I prefer blue states and yellow dogs.
here Suzanne:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Democrats
Overall, the thirty-five members of the Blue Dog coalition account for 44.9% of all Democratic Party defections …
spot the missing vowel: “Blue Dog defecations”
Ahh, but Broderella loves the Blue Dogs because they are CENTRISTS (that is DINO’s). They aren’t partisan-they are GOP enablers.
punaise @ 7
Hey, Punny-boy! Love you….muwah.
The only breed of dog with blue in its name that I am aware of.
Blue tick blood hounds.
Sounds a bit more like the true identity of this lot.
Is Commander Shitheel ever going to be taken to task for his final gutterball run of electioneering where he very partisanly called everyone opposed to him a traitor and a terrorist lover?
-GSD
Sorry OFF TOPIC
Justice Sandra Day O’Connor in the first segment on Hardball (Mike Barnacle sitting in) just very quietly, very politely
beat the shit out ofblasted the media for their coverage of Iraq.Update for everyone on the 30 Somethings: Schedule change for the House — no 30 Somethings this evening. Will update when I get something firm on the schedule. (The GOP only controls the floor schedule for a few more days…repeat after me…)
Thanks, angie. Jeez louise, Ellen Tauscher, Jane Harman, Harold Ford.
Curious in Canada…..
I was wondering, along with a bunch of my Canadian friends up here in the beautiful province of British Columbia, whether Congress had any ability to disavow the War powers that it gave to Bush?…..
I guess by ‘disavow’ I mean can they repeal the Act?….
Any reasonable direction would help me in a small wager we have going on here….
Thanks and keep up the good work…
Canadianhoser
OT: hah! Not only is Prager stupid, he’s misinformed:
bold added.
Frankly I am glad Ford lost.
-GSD
punaise @
10
You might be on to something.
Suzanne @
6
http://www.house.gov/tanner/blue.htm
John Casper @ 15
please - do tell more! (for those of us who are cable-less)
Jane Hamsher @ 21
I think we all just stepped in something.
Canadiahoser,
The horse is out of the barn. The most congress could do now would be cut off all funding of the war.
Correct me if I am mistaken.
-GSD
John Casper @ 15
I took her remarks today at the presser in the same vein– she said something like you (the media present) are the ones who will interpret this study and present it to the American people and she put the onus on them and then us.
CNN - gates confirmed
I agree with Jim Hightower who said something to the effect that the only thing in the center of the road is yellow stripes and dead armadillos.
GSD @ 25
Could also simply repeal the Iraq war resolution. But, neither that nor defunding would get past Bush.
twolf1 @ 27
lickety- splat.
OT, Jane, don’t know if you anyone told you, but last night on HARDBALL, the WaPo’s Chris Cillizza
used Christy’s title for the Wilson thread, “No Easy Calls On Iraq,” to introduce his comments about the Iraq
Slow LearnersStudy Group.angie @ 30
CSPAN2 has the vote live (and it’s thrilling) - all they r saying is the vote started at 5PM - haven’t heard one nay yet. the vote is still in progress
Blue Dog — Collin Peterson, MN. Pelosi came to his district to campaign this fall.
Bartlett to Blitzer–Gates will be sworn in “before the end of the year.” Bush will decide on the course of action “before the end of the year.”
SusanD @
28
Favorite Benny Hill line:
“Did you say Armadillo?”
“Yep, you’re a dillo alright.”
-GSD
I look forward to the day the Blue Dog Caucus will be replaced by the Firedog Caucus!
Mrs. K8 @ 35
That’s what you get when you hold a Blue Dogs feet to the fire.
-GSD
GSD @
36
I thought it was who held a Blue Dog’s feet to the fire…
Good one, GSD!
[Please note — I fixed my boo-boo in that post. I meant to say “caucus,” not coalition. This “getting-old” business is just as annoying as advertised.]
o/t SEIU Nurses Update
progress being made
via c & l
http://www.taylormarsh.com/arc.....p?id=24914
my standing apologies if prev posted
cspan2 - gates confirmed 95-2
Blue Dog Dems are flame retardant.
only 2 vote against Gates– wonder who?
oh good news, cbl @ 39.
angie @ 41
Rove and Cheney
Two votes against. Hmmm.
And I wonder who the 3 missing votes belong to.
Why haven’t we seen any Chimpy approval polls as of late?
He must be in the 20’s by now.
-GSD
OfT Evan Thomas (Newseek) on HARDBALL:
LMAO.
Maybe they’re all going to walk in, sing one bar of “alice’s restaurant,” and walk out. Bush will think it’s an organization.
that’s funny, punaise!
GSD @ 44
You may have provided the answer to your own question.
Mrs. K8 @ 35
But is DC ready for us?
Btw…
Hi, everyone! I’m back! : )
Wiping off Monitor.
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Clusterfuck approval numbers above.
John Casper @ 50
They wipe off maps.
atdnext @ 49
So much the better if they’re NOT.
Mrs. K8 @ 48
low 20s, as it turns out. Thanks rwcole.I’m an idiot who doesn’t understand math. But thanks rwcole anyhow.Mrs. K8 @
43
How priceless if Joe was one of ‘em…
saxby chamblis now thanking, and gushing, and blathering all over the departing rummy. there is no question in his mind that rummy is the bestest def sec ever and we all owe him our gratitude.
Mrs. K8 @
43
One must be Pete Domenici(R-NM) who’s been doing impressions of Vinny “The Chin” Gigante and wandering around in his jammies.
-GSD
Suzanne @
17
wasn’t there a lot of blue in the Kiss Float???
rwcole @ 52
Yes, but they’re old numbers. What are the numbers for last week?
Methinks they don’t wanna tell us.
Two hours and 23 minutes? Olbermann.
David Gregory comin up on HardlyBalls–Chief Brownoser just left– he was REALLY informative.
twolf1 @ 57
blergh indeedy. Praising the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan. (wow, that’s what liberation looks like???)
Wonder if the new secdef will allow our soldier’s coffins to be shown on arrival…
GSD @ 58
Remember — Dead Men Don’t Wear Plaid. Pete must be taking these constitutionals for his health.
Santorum and Jim Bunning were the two “nay’s”
I suspect that a subtext of Bush’s meeting with the Blue Dogs will be: “act ‘bipartisan,’* or we will slime you with the Rove machine and the Mighty Wurlitzer. Democrats who support their party in the next two years do so at their peril.’”
*Bushspeak for “follow my orders and don’t argue about it”
Mrs. K8 @ 60
Perhaps they want us to think they are ‘imaginary numbers’. Therefore we have no need to know.
Mrs. K—Nothing more recent (cept RASMUSSEN)
We’ll probably get a release tomorrow..
1) Pollsters shot the wad of their budgets during the elections.
2) Since the election is over and Clusterfuck can’t run again- it’s of less interest how he’s doin.
3) Pollsters often prefer to avoid weekend data collection.
jayt @ 65
2 certifiable nutcases who hate Iran and Syria more than they love America.
no word on the missing 3 yet…
sour grapes santorum
santorum currently speaking about why he voted ‘nay’ on cspan2. …or in ricky’s case, he would have voted ‘neigh’
“President Bad Ideas”
I like that.
Maybe Santorum thought he himself should get the job.
This guy on Hardball says there are too many recommendations. Well, lets simplify the report. Gut out, now!
Santorum –
“Islamic Fascists are the biggest issue of our times.”
Mrs. K8 @ 64
Still, the long years of training do kick in… this guy hears “oil and vinegar” at lunch and he votes for it.
Sounding like man-on-dog didn’t vote for gates because he thought gates wouldn’t be tough enough. he keeps mentioning ‘radical islamic fascists’ and how he was ridiculed by the media for using the term. he believes words matter and feels it’s his duty to explain to the dumb Americans exactly who the enemy is.
Santorum –
“Words matter.”
(Boy, that’s rich. Thanks for the heads-up, twolf!)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 74
Well, yeah. I mean - 79 recommendations?
GWB will never get through reading 7, let alone 79.
Hopefully people will be keeping a close eye on our Blue Dogs and New Democrat coalition people. I must say that if this White House meeting is any indication, Nancy and Steny better be making some serious threats. Chris Carney beat Sherwood but if he doesn’t find jeebus real soon, he along with other new Dems should be one term. There are 2 or 3 on the Act Blue page, that I supported, that are disappointments.
Here’s part of Bunning’s statement in explanation of his nay vote from his website and explains my #69–
http://bunning.senate.gov/inde.....;Year=2006
twolf1 @ 57
Saxby keeps his mouth open long enough that someone, somewhere, should have been able to put a sock in it, by now.
Ricky goes on a drinking binge at his new job at the mall:
“Ex-Senator in SantaRum Incident! Film at 11.”
twolf1 @ 71
Man-on-horse?
This Hardball guy refers to Powell and Bill Clinton as “Middle East czars”. F’k. Give me a break.
angie @ 81
Yeah. That’s why I remember Bunning and Santorum ranting on and on about the evils of Iran-Contra. I mean, that’s why they made such a ruckus when Eliot Abrams was named a member of this administration.
Right?!?
Redshift @ 84
yes, there weren’t any dogs available during the vote.
Ricky fomenting more hatred and is close to foaming at the mouth.
twolf1 @ 77
Last big opportunity to get some press time before he goes back to lobbying for eating crackers in bed and unfettered sperm.
“put a sock in it”
Was hopin for a hook.
neurophius @ 66
Well, we knew it was gonna be our job to make sure Democrats who fail to support their party in the next two years do so at their peril.
Nice congressional seat you got there. Shame if something were to happen to it…
Horse on man
Redshift @ 91
Hee-hee. I like your way with words.
according to ricky, he’s the only one on the planet that has this whole eyerack thingy figured out
rwcole @ 92
ass on ass
rwcole @ 90
You don’t need one to use that Rodney Dangerfield line. :)
angie @ 88
Oh, no! Ricky’s heating up…
Whatever you do, KEEP THE DOGS AWAY FROM HIM!
; )
ricky - “who are these iranians? who are these islamic fascists?”
No, seriously, guys…these nutcases who think that Gates is a traitor for wanting to meet with our “enemies” –
why the fuck weren’t they jumping up and down over Iran-Contra?
Huh?
Somebody needs to call them out on it.
(Not that these hypocrites will give a hoot.)
Baker tells Brian Williams that he “knows the President is conflicted about the situation there” (Iraq). Say what !?
Steve @ 80
Yeah, I know what you mean. But I consider it truth by successive approximation. We shall keep on keeping on, and we’ll just get better at it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 100
Maybe he means this conflict –
Bush vs. Reality
Mrs. K8 @ 99
Yep.
Ricky gives no quarter to any Muslims — Sunni, Shi’ite, Indonesians, Prague, etc. all over the planet.
They are evil acc. to him.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 100
“But… But…
We’ve got to stay the course…
I thought that victory’s around the corner…
Weren’t those insurgents in their last throes…
Where’s Karl? I need him now!”
someone needs to throw tomatoes at little ricky
Reports, commissions and panels. Another day; another grave.
twolf1 @ 105
I switched the channel. There’s only so much a relatively sane person can bear.
Mrs. K8 @ 102
Bush vs. Everyone
Mrs. K8 @ 107
It’s like watching a train wreck. …a train wreck where the only victims are brain cells
Maybe Ricky will take Haggard’s place…
His paranoia knows no bounds.
twolf1 @ 105
How about Spam?
He’s just about as much of an anachronism.
angie @ 110
And isn’t paranoia a side-effect of meth usage?
Tsk, tsk. Somebody should see if Ricky has hired a masseur.
they were only supposed to get 10 mins each, ricky’s way over the time limit… get the hook
HotFlash @ 101.. I totally agree..no third party bullshit..reform the Dems one primary at a time. But I must say I really didn’t know how bad Chris Carney was when I sent him money. On the other hand he counted toward a Dem majority. He need to go in ‘08.
Kevin J @
11
Yes, to name a couple - Harman, Tauscher!
step on up to the new thread, folks.
atdnext @ 111
Spammity, spam! Spammity, spam! Spam, spam, spam!
(Wouldn’t it be great if, every time Ricky opened his mouth to spew, the Monty Python crew appeared to sing and drown him out?)
Mrs. K8 @ 112
heh.
He’s quoting Bernard Lewis and says the only way to gain respect is to confront the evil Iran.
santorum is filibustering himself
jinny @ 115
Ellen Tauscher scares the living bejeezis out of me!
Maybe the Senate’s rapid approval of Gates is not simply a rubber stamp of a Bush nomination. It could also be viewed as an affirmation of Gates’ testimony yesterday that the war in Iraq is not working.
Mrs. K8 @ 117
Spam, spam, spam…
Spam, spam, spam…
Spam, spam, spam…
Santorum LOVES Spam!
(And YES!)