
(Photo credit to REUTERS/Larry Downing. The looks on the faces of Hamilton and Baker as President Bush is speaking? Priceless. Hamilton, trying to stay neutral, hands gripping tightly with the effort, Baker, that clenched muscle in his jaw...I get that same "save me" feeling every time I have to listen to him speak, too.)
Shorter Iraq Study Group: "Grow up, Junior, and start doing your damn job."
Circumstances in Iraq are "grave and deteriorating," with a potential government collapse and a "humanitarian catastrophe" if the U.S. does not change course and seek a broader diplomatic solution to the problems that have wracked the country since the U.S. invaded, according to a bipartisan panel that sent its findings to President Bush and Congress today.In what amounts to the most extensive independent assessment of the nearly four-year-old conflict that has claimed the lives of 2,800 Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis, the Iraq Study Group painted a bleak picture of a nation that risks a "slide toward chaos" without new efforts to reconcile its feuding religious and ethnic minorities.
Despite a laundry list of recommendations meant to encourage regional diplomacy and lead to a draw down of U.S. forces over the next year, the panel acknowledged that stability in the country may be impossible to achieve any time soon.
"No one can guarantee that any course of action in Iraq at this point will stop sectarian warfare, growing violence or a slide toward chaos," the panel's two chairmen, former Secretary of State James A. Baker III and former Democratic Congressman Lee Hamilton, wrote in a joint letter accompanying the 142 page report. "There is no magic formula to solve the problems of Iraq."...
Some of its conclusions, such as the need for a phased withdrawal and for shifting the mission of U.S. forces, have been reported over the past few days. Much of the report, though, emphasizes diplomatic options. Advisers said they pushed for dialogue with Iraq's immediate neighbors, Iran and Syria, as a major path toward improving the situation, despite a belief that Bush would reject the recommendation outright because of those countries' ties to terrorism.
Baker, who as secretary of state spent much time working to bring peace to the Middle East after the Persian Gulf War, made a personal point of including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the report and "laying out the importance of why it needs to be dealt with and a strategy to deal with it," said a source familiar with the report. Baker has been close to the Saudi royal family and his ideas may provoke opposition from Israel and its allies.
Should be an interesting day today as we begin to hear the extent to which the "grown-ups" have taken Junior to the woodshed -- both in the public document as well as in private. (You just know that bits and pieces of that are going to leak out, no matter how much they want to keep it under wraps.)
That President Bush has to be told that diplomacy by him and by his Secretary of State is important as a crucial element of our nation's interaction with the rest of the world? Well...it is embarrassing, and that James Baker has apparently spelled it out in direct language in the ISG document says a LOT about how much resistence they are expecting from President Bush on this aspect of his job, doesn't it?
The AP has more, having gotten their hands on at least a part of the report before its release publicly at 11 am ET. After Gates' statement yesterday that we are decidedly not winning in Iraq, the one-two of this report today has got to sting -- and no matter how much tap dancing Tony Snowjob may be able to manage today, the bottom line is this: people from the outside had to be brought in -- AGAIN -- to clean up Junior's failures.
Something that Amb. Joseph Wilson said earlier in the week when he was chatting with everyone resonates this morning, and I wanted to highlight it again before the ISG report is released. In responding to a question from reader Bustedknuckles regarding experienced diplomats who might be able to impact the mess that is Iraq, Joe said:
I have a lot of respect for Jim Baker. He is tough enough, experienced enough and savvy enough to pull a rabbit out of the hat if there is one in there. The problem is we are so far down the road on the way to chaos that there may not be any way to stop this until all sides are exhausted. The question is not whether the situation has become a civil war but rather whether it has degenerated from a civil war to out and out anarchy and a failed state. (emphasis mine)
And that, in essence, is the dilemma that everyone faces when evaluating the chaos in Iraq, as it threatens to spill over into the greater Middle East. How does one stop a runaway train filled with explosives before it hits the next stop along the tracks? And the next?
The best time to listen to the diplomats is before a shot is ever fired. But in the Bush Administration, Colin Powell's and the state department's experienced hands admonitions against this ill-planned, ill-conceived war were brushed aside in favor of the neocon dreams of conquering heroes and candy-strewn streets paved with oil. The time for the grown-ups and the realists would have been best prior to any American soldiers setting foot on the ground in Iraq.
But, alas, that was not to be.
There are a number of things that we all ought to learn from this. First, and foremost, is that the United States ought never again commit resources and troops without serious questions being asked on the front end of such a commitment.
That adequate oversight was not performed by the Congress, that the press acted as cheerleaders rather than as the skeptical cynics one would hope for in the run-up to this catastrophe, that individual Americans were doing the same -- ought not be in question at this point. But our men and women in uniform, the American public, and the innocent civilians caught int he crossfire in the current conflagration that passes for Iraq deserve far better than this from all of us. And that lesson not only needs to be learned, but it needs to be taken to heart.
The second is the any planning that is done going into a conflict needs to take into account the worst case scenario, and not just limit itself to whatever President Rose-Colored Glasses wants to hear.
And, to that end, the public ought to hear about those worst case scenarios as well. Oversight hearings would help from Congress. I am more than aware that the rubber stamp Republican Congress has functioned more like a Parliamentary unit of the Bush White House than the independent branch of government that our Founding Fathers envisioned for us.
It is well past time for Congress to reclaim its Constitutional mantle of being both a check and a balance on the overreach of Presidential power. And we will be watching the Democratic majority in both houses of Congress come January to be certain that they do just that.
How long do all of us have to pay the price for this mess in Iraq? Because, in all honesty, it is a heavy, heavy price.
No one should be satisfied if all we get out of this report and the ensuing pomp and circumstances is simply a bunch of shuffling around and no real change of priorities and actions. The status quo is not good enough (and that is such an understatement). President Bush needs to face some difficult truths and be honest not just with the public but with himself. Now.
Juan Cole has updates on Iraq and some surrounding issues this morning that are well worth a read. Laura Rozen has a link to the ISG's Executive Summary (PDF). And Swopa has some thoughts on the Dick Cheney trip to Saudi Arabia, and the differences between publicly staged bluster and private discussions.
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Christy!
Christy!
egregious!
Wouldn’t you think that Bush would be embarassed by the fact that Baker and Hamilton and their group have to come in and tell him how to effectively do a job that he is failing at? Or do you think he doesn’t even see it, because he’s too deeply wrapped up in his “I’m the decider.” malarky?
Haha that photo!
it is embarassing, and that James Baker has apparently spelled it out…
Speaking of spelling it’s 2 R’s in embarrass.
“We will take every proposal seriously, and we will act in a timely fashion,” Bush said after receiving the report.
Bush urged Congress to take the group’s proposals seriously and work with the administration to find “common ground” on Iraq policy.
“The country is tired of pure political bickering,” Bush said.
(cnn)
This little fucker can bet my blood boiling just by opening his pie hole once–who the fuck’s been doin the pure political bickering? HIM–that’s WHO….FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!
Looks like MSNBC is going to do big coverage on this — they have Brian Williams on to discuss, along with David Gregory at the moment.
You hit the nail right on the head, Christy: Congressional oversight.
If the executive - of any political persuasion - is hellbent on charging ahead into armed conflict, the legislative branch’s job is to say “Wait a minute. Have we thought this thing through?”
Joe Wilson’s right on target, too. We’re in it, and getting out won’t be easy, both for our troops and the associated contractors. (How’s that “privatizing the military” working out, Mr. VP?) Some contractors are specifically tied to the military (i.e., providing water, fuel, food, etc. for troop support), while others are more independent (i.e., “Go build a hospital over there”). Either way, they’re in as much of a fix as the military.
Bring on the grownups, and pray that it’s not too late!
(And let’s hear it for Congress working a five day week, starting next January!)
MSNBC also has Andrea Mitchell’s summary of the Report:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16071449/
Uh-oh. It’s serious.
MSNBC cuts away at 11:00 am sharp to a Special Report, replete with their signature jingle.
They’ve hauled in Brian Williams to cover this. David Gregory and Jim Mikleszewski (sp?) are also on deck.
edit: I’m obviously slower than Christy this morning!
It is no wonder his father weeps.
wow - nbc and cbs broadcast are showing it too
Lethality.
Wow. A big word, the likes of which we haven’t heard under this administration.
kerpow, Christy!
I think that Poppy Bush fell apart just the other day in anticipation of the embarrassment that is going to be visited on his son and his handlers.
I am sad, but not suprised, that the wapo chose to ignore the study published in the Lancet and cite only tens of thousands of Iraqi dead…
sigh.
Well, Lee Hamilton certainly sounds disgusted with this mess this morning, doesn’t he?
ISG report coverage - gov’t that replaced saddam isn’t working. current approach is not working. the US’s influence is diminishing.
-our ship of state has hit rough waters, we must chart a new course
Holy crap. No wonder Dubya looks like sh*t in the photo, big bags under his eyes, bloodshot whites.
They gave him a verbal beating, and they are not sparing us any punches now.
My ten year old son had a little accident in bed a few days ago. Rather than asking Mom and Dad to help him strip the sheets and wash them, he kept quiet and hoped no one would notice. Mom and Dad, of course, found out and cleaning up was that more difficult.
Junior has pissed his bed big time and was hoping no one would notice, bullying everybody who raised the question, do we need to strip your sheets? Well, everybody knows now, and Daddy needs to do the laundry so he sent his errand boy, Jimmy Baker, to clean up.
Two more years of a ten-year old in the White House.
No matter what the ISG says, we are still fucked.
You can download full report here:
http://www.usip.org/
ISG report coverage - we recommend a new approach - responsibility.
-a change in the mission of the primary forces that will allow them to move out.
-make iraq govt achieve milestones.
-new diplomacy action
Biodun at 19 — thanks for the link. Will update above in a bit…much appreciated!
Three most important and interdependent objectives:
1) Change in primary mission of forces in Iraq, to allow troops to begin to exit Iraq.
2) Prompt action Iraqi government towards achieving benchmarks.
3) New and enhanced diplomatic efforts in Iraq and region.
Rayne @ 17
I doubt he’s been getting to sleep by ten each night.
The report is a laundry list of Clusterfuck screwups- including but not limited to:
1) Ignoring the underlying problem in the middle east- the palestinian issue- while setting the region on fire with two wars.
2) Totally ignoring the key regional players in planning and executing a “go it alone” strategy that’s totally fucked up.
3) Fucking up the Iraqi military forces
4) Choosing the wrong role for US combat forces
etc etc etc
It’s a fuckin indictment- try him an HANG him–Pig Fucker!!!
Now, what again was the answer to Cindy Sheehan’s question?
So many keep speculating on what Bush will do, whether he will acknowledge finally what he has wrought. Will he grow up and do his job.
That’s the wrong question. The question now is: Will we, the American people, grow up and do our job? Whether through our representatives or through taking to the streets or something in between, will we grow up and do our job, save us from this failed president, and redeem ourselves as not only free people but as the best people in the world. It occurs to me that we are acting like Bush: hoping someone will fix it.
I’m not dismayed, though. I am hopeful because of sites like this one, because of the netroots: these internets are the streets, and we are taking to them.
angie at 14 — you know, that sentence came out better than I realized. Sometimes, you pull a rabbit out of the hat…
You know the entire world has changed when they have a Dem read this to us.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
Thanks, Christy. : )
I’ve got MSNBC on the teevee now.
ISG via ABC:
good idea. too bad we didn’t think of that BEFORE march, 2003.
Rayne @
17
Rayne - after you have had a chance to peruse it, how do you think the report compares to the portions of the report that were leaked?
Rayne at 27 — My guess is they had Hamilton delivering the blunt news up front to soften Baker delivering more of it — for family purposes and diplomacy. If Baker had been the one delivering the bad news first, it would have been a “Junior versus Poppy” news bite. This way, they undercut it. Baker and Hamilton are both old hands at messaging around the media, and I would bet money they started that way for that reason.
“A new diplomatic offensive…”
The terminology is utterly foreign to this administration.
We truly have had a coup.
OK, Baker’s up…
“There’s no magic formula that will solve the problems in Iraq…”
But he’s asking for “constructive engagement” via a “diplomatc engagement” with Iran and Syria, as well as the other neighbors…
OOH, and the UN and the EU…
Now how will he and Poppy tell this to Dubya?
twolf1 @ 20
Responsibility? What is this thing of which you speak?
Sheesh! It is amazing that the President of the United States of America, having taken the oath of that office not once but twice, needs to be told that taking responsibility is required of him.
angie @
14
angie - have you read this?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....35643.html
ooh Baker slamming bushco on lack of diplomacy and says everybody has to be brought in– Iraq, Syria, Egypt, the UN, EU, etc and Israel/Palestine must be addressed.
no more stay the course he sez– it’s no longer viable.
Baker: “In our opinion [the stay the course solution] is no longer viable.”
Christy 31 — oh, absolutely, that’s the intention here for the consumption of the general public.
But we do see the
manmen behind the machine…six years and he’s unable to make his way up the first degrees of the learning curve…
uppper class twit of the century?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 31
No takers on that bet here, Christy. Baker understands that at its best, protocol is a tool of diplomacy that is helpful to getting your message heard. For Dubya, protocol is all about power - it simply means that everyone stands up when he enters the room.
from the report -
Christy Hardin Smith @ 4
I would hang my head in shame if I were the commander in chief and I had to appoint a blue ribbon commission to tell me how to end a war.
I’d probably commit sepuku.
Baker just told the Repugs remaining in office to give it up and play nice, in order to work from political consensus.
Yeowch, that one is going to hurt.
Baker speaks of humanitarian concern for the Iraqi people– words I am grateful to hear.
Great piece, except for this: “But in the Bush Administration, Colin Powell’s and the state department’s experienced hands admonitions against this ill-planned, ill-conceived war were brushed aside in favor of the neocon dreams of conquering heroes and candy-strewn streets paved with oil.”
Whatever reluctance Powell might have felt, he got out front on promoting the war. If he was serious about his job, he would have refused to sell out himself, the State Department, and the country. Just because he skipped out later doesn’t mean that this shouldn’t follow him.
In response to Q from Robin, from WaPo, Baker concedes they deliberately held up report so as not to influence the election.
does anyone know what happened to Chris Matthews?
angie @ 44
Well, I knew Baker had a brain…
It’s nice top know he has a heart as well…
My goodness, Dubya really is so bad that he makes his daddy’s administration look so good.
Damn, I forgot what it was like to see lucid, rational adults speaking like this.
At least they are presenting it as a colossal bunch of mistakes of epic proportions.
:O
zouk at 45 — that was really more for the State Department folks who tried to intervene and were rebuffed than for Powell, who was merely the figurehead who happened to be in charge of State at the time — but had functionally very little power in the Bush Administration, and lacked the nerve to say so publicly at a time when it might have made a difference.
Holding the report for political reasons is a political motive; it undermines the credibility of the effort. So the recommendations must not be that important, if they could wait.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 35
You know, Thomas de Zengotita is right on the money. So many others have been saying George pere broke down really because of George fils.
President can pick and choose,but, Baker says, this is the only set of recommendations with “bipartisan” support “at least from the ISG.”
lina @ 47
I saw something the other day - can’t remember where - that he’s got diabetes and is having trouble with it right now.
Rayne @ 49
Yes, the contrast between these folks and the Administration people is stunning.
Oh please, the Faux News guy is asking why they didn’t speak of “victory”…
Fox News guy asks, “what happened to ‘victory’? Are we just trying to avoid catastrophe.” Baker says, we offer improved chances for “success.”
question from fox news (not direct quote)- is the conclusion that because victory is too hard to define right now that we should say that we are striving to avoid catastrophe?
Scarecrow at 56 — not just the contrast between folks in the Administration — but contemplate the contrast between their public discussion and the idiocy that has passed for Congressional hearings for the last six years. Painful…
Shorter ISG:
Listen to us things’ll get better.
Listen to Chimp and Co. things will becomed more suckified.
Cue the weeping Poppy.
-GSD
Christy Hardin Smith @ 60
Yep. btw, great post to set this up.
“We were immensely please today when President Bush said…”
So, in other words, the beating took.
I think that was the truth at CrazyWeb via Wonkette. I am more convinced of it now than ever before.
lil’ bush needs to go sit in the corner
That was a great question!
You have been in Iraq once, except for Robb and y’all did not get out of the Green Zone. Why should the preznit listen to you rather than his commanders.
I wish there would be more of those lobbed at the admin. in the very near future.
This is what happens when the terrorists win the midterm elections.
-GSD
OT but: Angie, I’m so glad you are a member of our community. Your posts are insightful, somber, silly and funny by turn. (((Just, hugs.)))
GSD @ 61
Why didn’t the ISG just ask you to give the presentation to the press? : )
Biodun @ 53
from previous thread:
Cliff Varnell says:
Vivid image rings true for me.
Cute. Baker notes this is the “only bipartisan report out there.”
It looks like junior is clutching his pearls
Slavin asks why on earth we would talk to Syria and Iran. (predictably)
Baker fires back, why did Iran talk to us about Afghanistan when nukes were off the table? Then goes on to defend talks with both.
ISG Report:
RECOMMENDATION 35: The United States must make active efforts to engage all parties in Iraq, with the exception of al Qaeda. The United States must find a way to talk to Grand Ayatollah Sistani, Moqtada al-Sadr, and militia and insur-
gent leaders.
RECOMMENDATION 40: The United States should not make an open-ended commitment to keep large numbers of American troops deployed in Iraq.
RECOMMENDATION 41: The United States must make it clear to the Iraqi government that the United States could carry out its plans, including planned redeployments, even if Iraq does not implement its planned changes. America’s
other security needs and the future of our military cannot be made hostage to the actions or inactions of the Iraqi government.
-via thinkprogress
In passing,
it is interesting that as far as I can tell, the ISG does not use the phrase: civil war to describe what is going on in Iraq. It also talks about “milestones” avoiding apparently either timetables or benchmarks. There is some sugar to go with the medicine here.
lina @ 47
He’s on vacation.
atdnext @ 68
I was a silent partner in the final draft.
-GSD
Baker: “We’re talking about tough diplomacy…”
I guess he’ll have to make it sound macho in order to get Dubya to be interested in that “girlie man” D-word.
angie at 72 — you could just hear Baker’s brain saying “Because, you idiot, it is in both our interests to do so. That is what grown-ups do — they make hard choices and they do hard tasks because they must be done.”, couldn’t you?
LindaR @ 52
I don’t think so. In the letter from the co-chairs that prefaces the report, Baker and Hamilton write,
Both Baker and Hamilton have their political agendas to push, but this paragraph seems spot on to me. No substantive solution will come without the president and congress working together, and that wasn’t going to happen in September and October when everyone was fighting for their political life.
Sad, unfortunate, but true.
Think about what the coverage would have been like, if the election was right around the corner. At least half would be about the effect of the recommendations on the elections. Now at least the main focus will be on the recommendations themselves.
Perhaps they will be heard at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, which certainly would have been less likely had they come out in October.
Hamilton uses the word “adversaries.” Baker uses the word “enemies.”
Many rhetorical myths/slogans/diversions of the Bush Administration are being publically rejected in full view. Amazing.
Hugh @ 74
In the response to the question from Fux News, they said they purposely left that type of wording out
Something else we should learn: don’t elect as President someone who is a small child in everything but chronological age. (If you do make that mistake, throw them out fast.)
Doyle asks what do you intend to do from now on to get boosh to embrace your recommendations?
Panetta says this war has badly divided this country– policy has been reduced to 30 sec soundbyte. Look at the realities that are there.
We cannot be at war and be as divided as we are today. We have made a terrible commitment to Iraq in terms of blood and treasure.
Christy, the observation by Amb. Wilson that you bolded is the same one that’s had me thinking long and hard ever since he made that comment on Monday. Bless his heart, he’s one of the few individuals to say that publicly. Personally, I think we are dealing with a failed nation state and that there is nothing anyone or any nation can do, sadly, that will put it back together again.
angie @ 72
another tragic consquence of not doing Afghanistan right.
getting the Iranians involved in Afghanistan opened the door to more dialogue.
it’s just beyond comprehension what the Bush foreign policy has wrought.
Peterr @ 79
Of course you are right. It’s still a political calculation, and action gets put off while people die. I thank the fates every day that my son is not over there.
GSD @ 76
You rock, GSD! : )
twolf1
Interesting that Recommenation 35 in your comment says we should talk to everyone — except al Qaeda. But Baker said we should talk to everyone, including our enemies, and he cited 40 years of talking to the Soviet Union, which wanted to “wipe us off the face of the earth.” (note similarity to Iranian statements.)
Why do I get the feeling that someone is going to say “Tantrums are not appropriate.” any minute now. *g* Just the visual and verbal contrast this morning is so striking. And the media reaction — especially that Major Garrett attempt to re-direct the narrative, has been fun to watch, hasn’t it?
lina @ 86
You can’t talk to madmen, lunatic, terrorist types, ever, ever, ever dammit! Except when it is a reasonable madman, lunatic, terrorist type like Khaddaffi.
-GSD
grayslady at 85 — that one has been haunting me since Monday as well, frankly. What a mess…
Pelosi:
“If the president is serious about the need for change in Iraq, he will find Democrats ready to work with him in a bipartisan fashion to find a way to end the war as quickly as possible.”
Baker doesn’t do cutsey little blowjob comments when taking questions–doesn’t say anything about the reporters clothing or physical status- he keeps the discussion on the meat…
Strange that this should seem strange.
Did it look like Baker just told the chap from JTA to actually read the report?
Heh.
How come Baker and Hamilton are not clutching the podium and yelling like the President would do in order to get his point across.
They are so unpresidential.
-GSD
Grave and deteriorating. Will someone please tell me how you can rapidly deteriorate from grave? People in grave condition are at deaths door, among those about to die. Short of actually being a corpse, how does a condition defined as grave actually further deteriorate. Soviet troops in the Berlin suburbs were the death knell of the third Reich. Things were grave for Herr Hitler at that point. How much further did things deteriorate in Germany once the Red Army reached the Reichstag? Grave is the house on fire and no water in the mains. Time to grab the puppy and the baby and run.
twolf1 @ 82
They didn’t take it completely out. From page 35-36:
Granted, it’s a passing reference filled with qualifiers, but it’s there.
Christy Hardin Smith @
51
Christy, this is also for the State Department folks: When they tried to intervene (which would have been the most basic part of doing their jobs) and were rebuffed, what was their responsibility to those whose lives hung in the balance? Did they live up to their personal or professed ethical and moral standards? It’s between them and the mirror now, and I’m sure they would have shown more resistance if they had some encouragement from Congress. But still, they knew more than the public, they had more power than the public, and they cooperated. If they haven’t come out yet, to tell the truth and to explain or apologize for their paralysis, they’re still cooperating. This is an ongoing war, and it’s getting worse.
As the more humane interrogators are surely reminding the extraordinarily rendered: If you know something, you have a responsibility to tell us.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 90
Wish I could see it all, no tube at work, but I have this vision of W. taking off his shoe and pounding it on the table.
Sad thing is that Nikita K. had more diplomatic talent in his shoe than W. has in his head.
Could Clusterfuck EVER have given such a press conference? In his fuckin wet dreams?
“We have made a terrible commitment in Iraq…
We ned to take one last chance to make it work”
- Leon Panetta
GSD @ 91
and you can’t fire up the base and get reelected at home unless you craft your propaganda around the messianic fight against the islamofascist boogeymen.
We “invaded” Iraq?
Retired Catholic 96 –
Time to grab the puppy and the baby and run.Exactly. But we’ve been saying that for quite a long time; it took a so-called bi-partisan committee of our grandparents to validate this for the idiots among us.