
Can we stop calling them "Christians" yet?
The Florida pastor recently tapped to lead the Christian Coalition of America resigned his position in a dispute about conservative philosophy - more than a month before he was to fully assume his post, he said this week.The Rev. Joel Hunter, of Northland, A Church Distributed, in Longwood, Fla., said he quit as president-elect of the group founded by evangelist Pat Robertson because he realized he would be unable to broaden the organization's agenda beyond opposing abortion and same-sex marriage.
He hoped to include issues such as easing poverty and saving the environment.
"These are issues that Jesus would want us to care about," Hunter said.
Oh, Rev. Hunter, didn't you get the memo? Christ and his teachings have NO PLACE in the modern Tablibangelical mega-mega-church movement! What the hell are you thinking? Money only flows ONE WAY in the modern chuch and that's IN not OUT! Gawd, get it right!
The resignation took place Tuesday during an organization board meeting. Hunter said he was not asked to leave.
"They pretty much said, "These issues are fine, but they're not our issues; that's not our base,' " Hunter said. A statement issued by the coalition said Hunter resigned because of "differences in philosophy and vision." The organization, headed by President Roberta Combs, claims a mailing list of 2.5 million.
Hunter's move signals more tumult for a group that has fallen on hard times. Members have complained the coalition's agenda has become too liberal and diffuse.
Hunter hoped to revive the group by expanding its agenda to include what he called "compassion issues." He also planned to teach evangelicals how to "vote with their life," or integrate and apply their Christian values to public life.
BWAAA-HAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAA!! You poor, silly man. Don't you understand that the "Culture of Life" means bombing abortion clinics, bashing gays, and calling for the wholesale persecution and harassment of people who don't share your religious views? In fact, nowhere is the radical Christian agenda being carried out with more zeal and aplomb than in Baghdad. KILL ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE AS YOU BELIEVE!! TORTURE THEM IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE!! SET THEM ON FIIIIIIIIRE!! We don't need no steenkin' love and tolerance!! We're CHRISTIANS!! WE MUST KILL!! KILL!! KIIIIILLLLL!!! Purveyors of Evangelical Christianity could apparently give two shits about what Jesus actually said, i.e., Love thy neighbor, minister to the poor and powerless, provide aid to the sick and comfort to the dying, and teach your children to respect others and glorify God in everything they do. That particular part of the message must have gotten cut off on Pat Robertson's official fax of the Mission Statement from the offices of God, Inc. These people can't be bothered with the poor and sick when people are OUT THERE HAVING SEX WITH EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW AND ACTUALLY ENJOYING IT!! We've got to get our hatin' on! Times a-wastin'! There's no time to worry about the environment when clearly the Church has a mandate to meddle in the affairs of state as much as it can! What the fuck are you thinking, Reverend Hunter?! Our children are being taught actual SCIENCE in school! We can't have that!! We've got to stop their impressionable young minds before they learn to think critically! This is AMERICA, where people don't THINK! They just BELIEVE!! We have to have faith, faith that George Bush is a good man whose decisions are inspired by God! Faith that the world will end in the Rapture before we gotta worry about any of that climate-change hooey!! GET YOUR FUCKING PRIORITIES STRAIGHT, HUNTER! YOU'RE FIRED!! I can take some comfort in the fact that this perversion of true Christianity is not a modern invention. I'm reading Charles Dickens's The Pickwick Papers right now, and took particular notice of this from the preface to the 1867 edition:
But it is never out of season to protest against that coarse familiarity with sacred things which is so busy on the lip, and idle in the heart; or against the confounding of Christianity with any class of persons who, in the words of Swift, have just enough religion to make them hate, and not enough to make them love, one another.
"Busy on the lip and idle in the heart." If any phrase more accurately describes the woeful state of modern American "Christianity", then I don't know what it is. So, as I was saying at the outset of this post, can we please stop calling these people Christians? Can we call them Falwellians? Robertsonians? Or maybe we should just stick with "Talibangelicals". It just says so much, doesn't it? And while we're on the subject, isn't it about time that these "religious" organizations start paying taxes? If they want a seat at the policy-making table, they're going to have to contribute to their upkeep. Cough it up, Pat Robertson, oh, you of the diamond mines and offshore accounts. It's time to render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and that means TAXES, bitchez! I think it's time you started giving a little something back to the nation that has so heedlessly allowed you to run your fat, hatin' mouth with impunity for so many years. Persecute a "Christian" today! It's what Jesus would really want. Trust me on this one. He's a friend of mine from way back.
Login Here
Share This
Spotlight
TREX!
OOh, did I get a 0? In case I did I’ll clue my favorite theropod into this, which is WAAAY up his line of country…
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/3427
You just can’t make this stuff up…
So, have you ever gone to this particular theme park, TRex??
Late night goodness!
Jesus!
Christianity is a great religion. I wish someone would put it in place somewhere.
klyde @ 5
Well, part of the problem is most of the people who really try to do that wind up in soft, padded rooms in big hospitals… They MUST be delusional, right???
Connecticut Bob @
4
I woke up this morning hearing His name called outside my window repeatedly followed by loud thumping and a strange hum. Just when I thought “THIS IS IT! JESUS IS AN ALIEN COME TO TAKE ME IN A SPACESHIP!” I looked outside and saw a crew of Hispanic men with an air compressor and nail guns putting a new roof on my neighbor’s house.
Oh have fun with Pickwick! One of Dicken’s absolute best. And that quote from the preface is brilliant; but anything which alludes to Swift is brilliant, of course.
And what to call these poor folk, this sorry lot of haters? Well, historically they’ve been refered to as Pharisees
Thank you, TRex.
When Rethugs use “San Francisco values” as the shiny scary object, I see American refugees: young men and women driven out of their classrooms, homes, and communities simply for their neurophysiology.
The queer sons and daughters of America - refugees from the Hate Preachers’ jihad on caring families.
Here in SF, we help them find the home the Hate Preachers destroyed.
San Francisco values:
We take care of the sons and daughters the Hate Preachers tell you to sacrifice.
I guess those are the opposite of Ted Haggard values? Or not?
It’s okay to use meth and get fucked by gay hookers, as long as you’re sorry afterward and don’t get divorced!
Right?
Thank you, TRex, for the great diary.
I’ve had a whole lotta personal experience with the fundies… And unfortuantely, my mom is still in one of the fundie megachurches. it just scares me how they can get all these folks to believe their perverted version of Jesus’ teachings. Nope, we shouldn’t care about being good stewards of the earth, or about helping those who cannot help themselves…
But golly gee whiz, we better make sure those Sodomites don’t destroy our “culture of life”!
“-and pretty soon there won’t be no streets,
For dummies to jog on,
Or doggies to dog on,
Religious fanatics can make it be all gone,
I mean it won’t blow up or disappear,
It’ll just look ugly for a thousand years.”
-Frank Zappa, “The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing”
TRex @ 10
And be certain to apply studio make-up before spontaneous spiritual epiphanies.
Great rant. You go, therapod.
Great picture too. Where’d it come from?
kirk murphy @ 9
Hi again, kirk! Well, I can tell you that it’s no fun trying to come out of the closet in Fundieworld… As soon as I tried to talk with my mom about it, she thought that it would “help” if I got “counseling” from a pastor… He tried to put me back on the road of the “straight and narrow”, but it never worked.
I know that there are so many others suffering in silence… It just frustrates me how these few fundies can destroy the lives of so many closeted queers by forcing them to stay in their closets of silence.
Most beautiful string orchestra piece EVAAAAR currently up at Crooks and Liars!
Rhambo has a yellow tie on. (Mary? was that you with the yellow tie theory?)
Jon asked him why Carville after the dem win was looking for a scapegoat.
The original “busy of lip, idle of heart”, Matthew 6:5-6 :
atdnext @ 16
Hi adtnext -
I wish a different world for you and all our LGBT fellow humans.
Great stuff TRex… The political machinations of the religious right is to me, one of the most corrosive influences on American Politics. NOW did a great 10 minute documentary segment on it a few years back. Definitely worth a watch.
The departure of Joel Hunter is a chapter in a murky drama that I am starting to research.
His views were known before they selected him. Why would he suddenly be frogmarched? Did the board membership shift? Was it a new donor who needed them to stay committed to the dominical teachings (sadly omitted and forgotten in the New Testament)on abortion and gay marriage?
Why did they zig then zag?
There’s a story there. And it’s gonna be about money and power. But whose?
kirk murphy @ 20
So do I. I hope this year was the start of making that happen. : )
If you watched Capitol Crimes, the PBS special about Jack Abramoff, I was sure I heard that the Christian Coalition didn’t have nearly that many members. Apparently, Ralph Reed was conning Jacko and touting churches that had never had any relationship with the CC. I remember seeing at least one pastor on camera who claimed this, and (crap, I can’t remember the journalist’s name) said that others were contacted who said the same thing. Eh. It’s another way to launder money, I suppose…along with hoaxing the yok…er…base.
Alison @ 22
Oh there’s some sordid secret there, to be sure; but, there always is with these zealots. Always and forever they have been hiding, obfuscating, looking through a glass darkly. The Secret Gospel of Mark is a prime example:
Alison @ 22
IIRC the CC is deep in financial trouble. Their membership I think is down to 4 state affiliates and they are the hard core wing nuts. They are on the way down following in the footsteps of the Moral Majority.
These folks are not about religion. They are about power and money like you said. Ralph Reed et al set it up for their own political aims. Real people of faith have no interest in such organizations.
Shhhhhhhh!
I was only a few million years old back then, hence the sobriquet, “youth”, but yes, JC taught me the mystery of the Kingdom of God…and it was, uh, divine.
Most excellent, TRex.
Unless . . . maybe Jesus was speaking all that drivel about love and forgiveness and tolerance and mercy on Opposite Day.
For sure, the Talibangelicals are preaching the opposite of what Jesus taught.
So who you gonna believe?
johnSwifty @ 8
I’m just a little over halfway done with Pickwick. Sam Weller is the best character ever!
TRex @ 27
That reminds me of a joke, the punch line ends something like, “He told you it was the Key to Heaven? He told me it was Gabriel’s Horn and I’ve been blowing it every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.”
TRex @ 27
Ooooh? How devine was that?! Well, I was taught in Sunday School that “God is Love”… ; )
We had a visit from Fred Phelps and the God Hates Fags crew just this last Friday here in Huntsville, Alabama. They were in town to protest at the funerals of…..
…..Two African American teenage girls who were killed in a tragic school bus accident. They had signs with pictures of the girls, saying “Jane Doe, Now in Hell for 5 days” and other such trash. Lovely, eh?
Gay issues and abortion are nothing but hot-button, high entertainment value issues that permit “Christians” to become distracted from the tough, gritty, difficult work that Jesus prescribed.
BWAAAA-HAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAA!!!
Alison @ 22
Hmmm…hopefully they are having in-fighting and the organization will spontaneously combust if they keep on the path of going against Jesus’ teachings.
That will show ‘em…I’m just saying.
I don’t want to tax them but religion should never be offered or allowed a chair at a public policy table.
Another TRex-o-licious post! Bravo!
montysano @ 32
WTF?
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 7
Were any of them named “Jesus”?
This is significant, actually…tomorrow we’re getting a new roof put on our house. This HAS to be a sign from the Almighty! I just KNOW it!
OT: Joe Biden (D-Corporate Shill) has decided to play the bigot card.
Biden claims to want to punish American corporations who hire illegal immigrants–but we all know what a maverick advocate of corporate citizenship he is. On top of his steaming pile of vitriol against Mexico (little of which couldn’t be turned back at the U.S.), any such claim isn’t worth much.
No truth to the rumour that Ted Haggard will have Teh Gay tweaked out of him?
MsAnnaNOLA @ 35:
Phelps and his crew believe that all manner of bad things, from school bus accidents to the deaths of soldiers in Iraq, are evidence of God’s anger over America becoming a Fag Enabling Nation. “God is not mocked”, they say, and everywhere they look they’re able to discern signs of His displeasure.
Yeah…I know….it’s crazy.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 35
Why not tax them? Hell yes, tax ‘em up. As soon as they cross the very broad line from charitable organization to political sponsorship, tax the hell out of them.
Now, as soon as I say that, I’m reminding myself of the very crucial role the church plays in empowering African American communities. Without that sort of strong central rallying point, the civil rights movements might never have gotten off the ground.
But surely there are some rules, some guidelines that these Pharisees have transgressed?
I think we should call these folks Old Testament Calvinists.
It would be accurate. And would have the advantage of making these folks defend themselves.
Lovely diary up at Kos right now.
It refers to This American Life episode about Reverend Carlton Pearson of Tulsa, OK, who got into big trouble becuae he was converted from a gospel of hate to a gospel of inclusion.
You need to search for the podcast once you get to the site.
People punished him for preaching that God loved everyone. Sounds like a lovely podcast.
Maybe I’ll download it before I go to sleep. G’night, folks!
techno @ 42
Wouldn’t work, Calvin knew you were going to say that.
Alison @ 42
I highly recommend that episode.
techno @ 42
How about Old Testament Calvin-ballists? Or Calvin-Ballasts?
Moving (or sinking) the GoalPosts of their Lord daily, in a heterosexual and tax-exempt way of course.
montysano @
31
Gene Robinson:
TRex >
Something, I would suggest, for the second 100 hours of the new Democratic House of Representatives
Yoo Hoo Grandma Speaker, we have an agenda item for you !
“We have enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.” - Jonathan Swift
Yes but can you imagine the look on Jerry Falwell’s face if he was told on TV that he wasn’t going to be called a Christian because it was inaccurate?
Calvin might have known, but JF does not.
Must sleep. But, before I go, Trex, you needn’t worry just yet. Sam’s adventures continue in Master Humphrey’s Clock!
Peace, friends. Out, here.
I really like Talbangelicals very cool.
I really hate what has become of this countrylately. from racism, to hate the gays to hate everyone not you. why? what has happened to this society? We have people who advocate torture while giving a fudgepop to thier child. Claim values while cheating someone. Feeling it okay to say in public racist comments (I’m not talking about the famous incidents but, everyday). It seemed 15 years ago we were so much more advanced and then took several giant steps back.
Jesse Jackson ran for president, Cosby was the #1 program (as he himself pointed out today) and now nothing.
We have caricatures of different types of people.
We also have people who believe they are christains and right and hate. We have people believe on one hand it’s right we Brought freedom to those poor iraqis and in the same breath curse those muslim people there for being ungrateful.
Modern day Religion brought alot of it when it sold it’s soul to the gop and they made a true pact with the devil.
I said somewhere else that we lost our compassion and understanding on the way to iraq and hoped someone would one day find it, return it so we can be Americans again.
Once the line is crossed it sounds like a good place for severe fines and other penalties. Taxation sounds like an acceptance of the behavior with no end anticipated.
Back in a bit, gang. Going to the grocery store.
Don’t feed the trolls!
All we need is love.
PSST
The people who stole the country also stole the church, BTW.
We want the church back, too.
Pass it on.
Alison @ 43
I’m listening to the show right now…
Thanks for tipping us to the program! : )
it was back in the early eighties that i noticed certain preachers who started making a big deal about how it was ok to be rich. that being rich was a sign you had been blessed by God. i thought, what’s up with that? it bothered me, but i didn’t forsee the ramifications, how this was a harbinger of things to come. little wonder that this phenomena blossomed in tandem with the Reagan years…..
Bravo TRex!
The more you believe in a cause, the better you sound. You certainly laid bare the Talibangelicals homophobia but what impressed me most is that you took issue with their credibility - they really don’t deserve to be called Christians.
What I have most trouble with comprehending is that people deliberately chose to be ignorant. To me, it is a sign of accomplishment to have a high IQ. They seem to shun intelligence. At least that makes them in sync with the brainpower at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
EvilDrPuma @ 38
Fuck Joe - he flacked for NAFTA.
Rural Mexico depended on corn (maize).
Corn (maize) originated in central america.
Very small-scale maize farming was the basis of life in much of Mexico.
NAFTA forced Cargill’s surplus maize - subsidized by Dept of Ag programs designed for family farmers, but loong ago stolen by corporate ag - down the throat of rural Mexico.
US ag commodity imports decimated Mexican local economies, FORCING the mega-economic migration pious Joe attacks.
Fucking incompetent hypocrite.
Can there be a Constitutional amendment that anyone with a birthname including “Biden” could never be President - or even the bucket of warm spit?
[shameless blogwhoring]
My love note to Joe Biden
[/shameless blogwhoring off]
I keep telling you guys about the Institute on Religion and Democracy. They were founded to take care of the emerging progressives in the churches. They were supposed to provide support for the contras and take away the US Christian suport for the Sandinistas, which was rising.
They had the same donors, board and offices as the American Enterprise Institute.
This was the 80’s. They continue to blast away for right wing causes and work to destabilize liberal protestantism.
That’s when the phenomenon started that fahrender@56 noticed . It was all about a religious smoke machine for Iran Contragate.
TRex, That’s incredibly lovely music. Thanks.
And thanks for the post. Especially the Dickens. I haven’t read that book in years, but he never seems to lose his relevance.
kirk murphy @ 58
I prefer to save such extreme measures for preventing any more members of the Bush family from holding that office.
Don’t suppose there’s a way we could have members of that family neutered is there?
fahrender @ 57
Jim and Tammy Bakker were big on that, and W.A. Criswell, the pastor of the First Street Baptist Church in Dallas may have been one of the first mainstream preachers to advocate it (the general justification was that “God wants you to be happy”). In fact, Criswell’s church used to have courses in how to make even more money (he must have had one of the most affluent congregations in the south).
But, this goes right back to the notion of the elect. If you’re poor, God hates you, and there’s not a thing you can do about it–it’s all been predetermined, and there’s not much point in trying to help you, either. Better to support the community that’s going to heaven. You’re poor, you’re toast. If you have money, well, God’s showered you with blessings because of who you are.
The psychology of it is bizarrely attractive to least Christian of souls….
State of Belief did a show on that “War on mainline denominations”, with some focus on the Institute on Religion and Democracy. Transcript here.
An nice quote from Australian blogger Mr Lefty..
” (if)you reckon Jesus cared more about the things he didn’t actually ever talk about - gays, abortion etc - than the things he did repeatedly - helping the poor etc)please vote for Fundamentalists First. (”Bring Australia into the 14th Century!”
Helping the poor was number one on the hit parade for Jesus, and something dear to his thorny heart. This message is a little difficult for conservative evangelists to deliver seeing as how according to their ‘modern’ interpretation of Jesus’ words, most of the new testament is a foolproof plan to make you wealthy beyond the dreams of Croesus.
Alison @ 61
So the right wing folks even used a “think tank” to co-opt the churches?
Incredible description of a complex issue!!!
Sara Robinson had an interesting and somewhat hopeful take on the Hunter/Christian Coalition split over at Orcinus.
And yes, most of the Christians I know don’t consider these people Christians. I tend to call them “Kreeestians,” myself, though I also think “Christianists” is quite accurate.
Connecticut Bob @ 37
Well I now realize the guy they were yelling at’s name was Jesus as in “heysoos” but it certainly made for an interesting start to a Monday morning after Thanksgiving weekend.
I hope you know the nuts ahead of this church are Al Gore supporters.
Apparently peace is no longer a representation of the Christian values which are celebrated with the holiday either
fahrender @ 57
Let it be written, and drawn: The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus
montysano @ 39
Well, it’s highly likely that the existence of the Phelps Phungi is one of the “bad things” that has befallen this country, so God must be mad at us about SOMETHING!
Alison @ 61
From the front page of their (IRD) web site.
heh
atdnext @ 66
Still doing it. I think we might describe a lot of them that way. Reed was a master of it, but there are others!
Hey guys, I have to live with these dustmites on the soles of humanity polluting the air day in and day out in my hometown of Greenville, SC. There’s only one thing you can say to them that will get their..uh..goats. I promise, nothing else penetrates their craniums. Fill in your own blank, I choose -
Bob Jones and all Bob Jones Alumni are going STRAIGHT TO HELL!!
Go. Have at it. Enjoy. Spread The Words.
Demokat
fahrender@56
Great observation but historically, this was Calvin’s “great” contribution to Christianity. Before Calvin, Christianity TAUGHT that Christ had a preferential option for the poor. (Practice was another matter.) Calvin created a Christianity that glorified the rich.
Interestingly, the left wing of the Protestant Reformation (the Anabaptists who are the modern Mennonites) and the center (the Lutherans) have had almost NO cultural impact on USA. The Calvinist / Puritans have run the place since Cotton Mather.
As someone raised in the Swedish Lutheran church and educated by Mennonites, I have long wondered how my Calvinist “brethren” could be SO confused. The high-brow Calvinists gave us the Vietnam War, Harvard, NAFTA, the CIA, and other abominations too numerous to mention. The low-brow Calvinists are still arguing about Darwin and obsessed by the notion that being uptight about sex equals morality.
“Thank God for Sept. 11″? that’s some twisted shit…
Sorry, the underline disappeared indicating the blank you can fill in, tho you’re bright enuff to figure it out I’m sure.
Bob Jones and all Bob Jones Alumni are going STRAIGHT TO HELL!!
Oh, and sorry for the shameless blogwhoring, tho I prefer blogpimping. More empowering that way.
Dook! Giving up on the underline.
Demokat @
76
That gets their attention? I would think they’d just dismiss that as hatred.
M’self, I think Bob Jones will spend all eternity as Satan’s personal cocksucker….
Well, if anyone would recognize hatred, they would. But, usually it sends them off sputtering.
I’m pretty sure Bob Jones is already doing the Satan sucking while the Republicans are crammed up under his desk reciprocating in turn.
punaise @ 78
Well, not much different than Falwell saying that God had lifted his veil of protection for the country because of homosexshuls… this is just more in your face.
I wonder if they’ll be picketing Phelps’ funeral when he goes toes up….
punaise @ 78
They believe it was God punishing America for tolerating *fags* (as if it did).
God hates nothing that he has created or his work is shoddy. Perhaps our job is to interact with each other in disgrage & disagree in a way which generates minimal violence and antipathy. It’s either this mindset for me. or I’m swearing off hunanity firever nore.
OT, but I have to mention it while I remember — when I was out earlier, I heard a news item that Joe Lieberman’s pal Lanny Davis says he’s been briefed on the warrantless wiretapping program, and that the NSA has much more privacy protection than he thought, so it’s okay, really. I don’t see anything online about it, but it’ll probably be available by tomorrow.
Bastard. No, it’s not okay if they say they’re very carefully violating our rights with no oversight to determine if they’re telling the truth.
I confess to being more and more confused about Christianity these days. Bush and Limbaugh keep spouting off about how liberty and democracy are God’s gifts to the world. They are? I don’t recall seeing any such political theory in the Bible. In fact, the Bible makes God out to be an all-powerful (albeit benevolent) dictator. (Or perhaps an oligarchy of three, depending on your view of the Holy Trinity.) There was never a vote on the Ten Commandments, for example. And Moses’s initial veto was immediately overridden. Slavery was a-okay in the Bible. Where’s the “liberty” there?
I just now watched Jimmy Carter on Larry King Live talking about his new bood: “Palestine, Peace not Aparteid.”
For anyone whose input on the mideast comes fromthe MSM, this interview will be an eye-opener.
techno @ 68
Thanks, techno, but I don’t really deserve your kind comments.
I just talk too much.
So many great writers and thinkers look at the complex health/human/economic impacts of the massive subsidies to the corporate farm/pesticide/pharma lobbies.
And the immense trillions of infrastructure investments (think Corp$ of EngineerS) require to move large amounts of massively subsdized bulk ag commodities down the Mississipi and out to export.
Each load is another piece of American topsoil lost forever - and we taxpayers subsidized the give away.
US troops died for oil for the pesticides, fuels, and resultant global warming.
Let’s not forget the observed increased rates of cancer and infectious disease associated with the toxins and warming.
Our reward?
An ever expanding “Dead Zone” in the Gulf of Mexico - result of ag runoff from our taxpayer subsidized corporate megafarms.
The Dead Zone helps nuke small scale independent fishing - the sort of work that sustained Gulf Coast communities for generations.
Ecologists’ concerns about the destruction of deep-rooted communities were dismissed as “radical” - standard libel for those conserving communities.
Conservatives aren’t into conserving communities.
That’s too radical.
TRex — once again you hit the nail on the head! God,I love you for it!!! This is near and dear to my little heart.
For many years, no — decades — I have likened our growing “christian” (so without) culture as The Pharisees we were warned of in the New Testament. Now, thanks to Tristero originally, and now more recently, Andrew Sullivan and Glenn Greenwald, a better defined description of “Christianist” is available. Not one who truly emulates Christ; but someone who has a political agenda based on their personal religious views; and feels justified in trying to make it the law of the land by any means neccessary.
Recently, those who belong to this class are aghast that they have been outed as……not really Christian after all, but are held up in stark contrast to traditional values (see Glenn this past weekend). The uproar is growing among their ranks at the realization that their behaviors are held up against traditional values, and are found wanting. Oh, the vile accusations that spew from these corners…..ad hominem attacks, strawmen, and just plain lies.
So, with that in mind, may I submit the suggestion that we take for ourselves, and use the mantle of anti-Christianist or anti-Xianist. Putting it another way: No longer should we refer to this ilk as anything except: Chistianist or Xianist (my preference).
I, jcricket, am an Anti-Xianist. I believe the words and works of Jesus and humble Christians are benevolent, good and godly. I also believe that the words and works of today’s American Xianist are not in the same class/vein as Traditional Christianity, and I REFUSE to dignify it by calling it anything other than what it is: Xianist.
And really, what has any Xianist been able to present in a constructive manner, anywhwere?
neurophius @ 84