On Friday, I spent some time watching CNN with my grandfather. It's been a while since I indulged in televised news and I found it a little frustrating that I couldn't run to my computer and immediately get more background on what I was seeing and hearing. My Papa and I watched in silence for a little while and then we talked about something he said to me a few weeks ago.
"Son, you know I was a radio operator in the War," he said, meaning World War Two, "I never had to kill a man and I'm grateful that I've gotten to this part of my life without ever having to do that, whether in war or in a car accident or anything."
I nodded, thinking about the generation of young Americans in Iraq who will not be able to say the same thing, if and when they live to be 87 like my grandfather.
"War is a drain on mankind," he said, "We fought in Europe and the Pacific hoping that it would be the last time America had to fight that kind of war. It disappoints me to see that we haven't learned a thing."
The thing that struck me watching the news coverage of the catastrophic eruptions of violence since Thanksgiving Day was the deep and fundamental divide between what we were seeing on the screen and how the various pundits and talking heads were talking about it. John King, who was subbing for Wolf Blitzer on Friday's Situation Room was asking people (honestly) what the U.S. has to do to win in Iraq.
Do what, now? "Win in Iraq"?! John, John, John...that train left the station in 2004! We have already lost the War in Iraq. And all this talk of "sectarian violence" is only a nice, sterile-sounding euphemism for a civil war that started months ago.
CNN's Michael Ware seems to have a deeper understanding of the situation on the ground than any of the bobbleheads swanning around their air-conditioned TV studios (via C&L):
KATHLEEN KOCH: Michael, the Iraqi government and the U.S. military in Baghdad keep saying this is not a civil war. What are you seeing?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, firstly, let me say, perhaps it's easier to deny that this is a civil war, when essentially you live in the most heavily fortified place in the country within the Green Zone, which is true of both the prime minister, the national security adviser for Iraq and, of course, the top U.S. military commanders. However, for the people living on the streets, for Iraqis in their homes, if this is not civil war, or a form of it, then they do not want to see what one really looks like.
This is what we're talking about. We're talking about Sunni neighborhoods shelling Shia neighborhoods, and Shia neighborhoods shelling back.
We're having Sunni communities dig fighting positions to protect their streets. We're seeing Sunni extremists plunging car bombs into heavily-populated Shia marketplaces. We're seeing institutionalized Shia death squads in legitimate police and national police commando uniforms going in, systematically, to Sunni homes in the middle of the night and dragging them out, never to be seen again.
I mean, if this is not civil war, where there is, on average, 40 to 50 tortured, mutilated, executed bodies showing up on the capital streets each morning, where we have thousands of unaccounted for dead bodies mounting up every month, and where the list of those who have simply disappeared for the sake of the fact that they have the wrong name, a name that is either Sunni or Shia, so much so that we have people getting dual identity cards, where parents cannot send their children to school, because they have to cross a sectarian line, then, goodness, me, I don't want to see what a civil war looks like either if this isn't one.
Of course, why should I be surprised at the massive gap in Americans' understanding of the war? Just a few months ago, we had Laura Ingraham declaring that all of the journalists who have been risking their lives living and working in Iraq for years need to just get out more and see the "Real Iraq" and stop being so gosh-darned negative all the time.
Lara Logan, who has been bravely working in Iraq for the last three years addressed that well, I thought, when she said the following:
LOGAN: I really resent the fact that people say we're not reporting the true picture here. That's totally unfair and it's really unfounded. You don't think that I haven't been to the U.S. military and the State Department and the U.S. Embassy and asked them over and over again, "Let's see the good stories, show us some of the good things that are going on"? "Oh, sorry, we can't take you to that school project because if you put that on TV then they're going to be attacked, the teachers are going to be killed, the children might be victims of attack"? Or, "Sorry, we can't show that reconstruction project because then that's going to expose it to sabotage. The last time we had journalists down here the plant was attacked."
The anchor goes on to play Logan the clip of Bitch Troll from Hell Laura Ingraham braying away about how she captured the essence of the real Iraq in her heroic eight days there as an embedded correspondent. The look of disgust on Lara Logan's face is priceless, and indicative of so much that I feel at this point about all the Iraq War cheerleaders and their persistent, shit-for-brains approach to the realities on the ground there.
Iraq is burning. That nation has imploded. There is nothing "we" can do now to stop that process. Our military personnel are being slaughtered in vain.
Chuck Hagel, of all people, seems to realize this (via WaPo):
There will be no victory or defeat for the United States in Iraq. These terms do not reflect the reality of what is going to happen there. The future of Iraq was always going to be determined by the Iraqis -- not the Americans.
(snip)
The time for more U.S. troops in Iraq has passed. We do not have more troops to send and, even if we did, they would not bring a resolution to Iraq. Militaries are built to fight and win wars, not bind together failing nations. We are once again learning a very hard lesson in foreign affairs: America cannot impose a democracy on any nation -- regardless of our noble purpose.
We have misunderstood, misread, misplanned and mismanaged our honorable intentions in Iraq with an arrogant self-delusion reminiscent of Vietnam. Honorable intentions are not policies and plans. Iraq belongs to the 25 million Iraqis who live there. They will decide their fate and form of government.
The Iraq Study Group is merely going to be another exercise is delusional bullshit. It will be Conservative Yoga, that rarified practice in which the participants have dedicated years of their lives to learning how to tie themselves into intricate ethical and semantic knots while simultaneously blowing smoke up their own assholes. And the Preznint is purportedly (via Noron at C&L) already making contingency plans to ignore their advice in case he doesn't like what he hears.
O'DONNELL: Well, the Iraq Study Group, the first draft will be ready this weekend, it's going to be debated next week, it could go the President and the Congress very soon.
MATTHEWS: Is that a leak or is that official–coming out?—Are you getting a copy early?
O'DONNEL: No, but they've got their first draft. We'll see if everybody agrees to it, but the Pentagon is already developing an alternative to give the President an out if he doesn't like the recommendations.
There is only one right answer for Iraq, and that is to pull our troops out right now. Whatever is going to happen there is already happening. We can leave our fighting men and women tied to the tracks in the path of that train or we can pull them clear. All this happy crap about "cut and run" and "it'll only get worse if we leave" is a steaming pile of hooey based on a passel of prideful delusions about this country's place in the world, not to mention about our actual military capabilities.
I knew in 2003 that the invasion of Iraq was a massive strategic blunder, but never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined the cascading sets of errors that followed. This misbegotten war is going to be a lasting stain on our nation's character. We have set in motion a series of events that have created a literal hell on earth and led to the senseless murder of hundreds of thousands of innocents.
Thank you, Republican Party. Thank you, spineless Dems who enabled the bloodthirsty NeoCon butchers to "engineer" our national disgrace. Thank you, Pox News for blindly and uncritically "catapulting the propaganda" to an overly credulous and frightened public. And a very, very special Fuck You Very Much to Judy Miller and the Reich Wing Blog Brigade for making lies and distortions a staple of the informational diet of so many Americans. I hope you're all very proud of yourselves for the base, craven, heedless way in which you have behaved and that you're as satisfied with the results as the rest of us.
I used to be disgusted.
Now I'm just ashamed.
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Evenin’, all.
Good Evening TRex.
You are my queer hero!
Keep up the good work, I look forward to your daily wrap-up and I am never disappointed.
Greetings and solicitations.
EvilDrPuma @ 3
Whatcha hawkin’?
War?
Nobody is buying that crap here!
I think he might be soliciting me.
“Let the poets pipe of war,
In their childish way.
I’ve known every type of war,
Better far than they.
If you want the thrill of war,
I’ve been through the mill of war.
Old war, new war,
Anything but true war.
War…for sale.”
What can be worth the delays? What can anyone be gaining as the situation becomes more and more dangerous?
How can anyone think they can save face here?
The war was a delusional escapade. The end of the war is beyond description as a drama directed by psychopaths.
Last week, Senators unanimously passed a resolution honoring the memory and contributions of their late colleague, Minnesota Democrat Paul Wellstone. The Senate’s warm embrace of Wellstone provides a stark contrast with President Bush’s mean-spirited, partisan slight in October 2002…
For the sad tale, see:
“Senate Rights Bush’s Wrong on Wellstone.”
I thought that there would be civil war if we “cut and run”…
Wasn’t that what all the “wise pundits” said?
Too late for that… Thanks to Bushco and the always obedient pundit class, there already is one.
Bushco/Bushcult they screw things up so horribly that it takes all the pleasure out of saying “I told you so.”
Clothodi @ 9
DAMN THEM!!
Stupid bitchez.
angryone at 7
could that be some sort of Senate code for “we know you did it, so back off?”
maybe there is a spine forming in the Washington Dems?
TRex @ 10
Too late.
TRex:
you brilliantly have captured the essence of our involvment in Iraq. It still defies reason that a nation of 300 million people could be led around the nose like the good citizens of Hamelin were led by the pied piper. From the beginning of the occupation, there only was devastating news of it’s progress. You are too generous to say the winning train hadn’t left the station by 2004. Truth is, there was no winning train ever.
I share your sense of shame that we could be so hairballing dumb to ever believe a word that came from the White House.
George McGovern had a long article in a recent “Harper’s” magazine which laid out his exit from Iraq plan, complete with reparations, and a cost analysis of each section of the proposal. Can anyone provide a link?
Meanwhile, ashamed or not, we can continue working for peace and justice. We’ve got each other and we’ve got a long long line of people of integrity, stretching back through the generations, to keep us company.
I wish I could say this less clumsily. I’m convinced that we may not be able to do much, but what we do is not futile. The Underground Railroad didn’t end slavery, but it made a difference to some slaves… and it made a difference to the people who operated the Railroad.
I think I love Lara Logan.
And Michael Ware. And Jamie Tarabay from NPR.
They’re all very brave. It really disgusted me when Ingraham tried to cast aspersions at their bravery.
I think it was Will Rogers who said (or someone said he said): “There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves.”
The neo-cons, one by one, keep peeing on that fence, and blaming the fence when their peckers get burned.
I guess they’re still trying to influence our election.
Poor Dick, all victimized and shit. Whadda narcissistic bastid.
Funny, the violence has actually increased since the election.
This, from nine months ago:
That last bit isn’t from a think tank or any study group. Word is it was wrote by a truck driver.
Prolly just a lucky guess.
Titanyum @ 13
Yep, Iraq could never be won…
It can only be lost.
It’s too bad that we helped create a developing humanitarian crisis there…
But what can we do there? Our occupation is only making things worse…
Heh. I’m talking to John Amato on the phone about classical music.
TRex!
CNN, Faux, MSNBC - the thought killers.
Fortunately asking the same stupid questions over and over again (six years) begins to sink through a few viewers thick heads. I think Michael Ware is really trying to squeeze some emotion through the CNN toobz with his reports. To bad they won’t let him say what is really going on because it’s so obvious he wants to let everyone know.
What did Joe Wilson say this afternoon? I am afraid we may stay so long we may have to fight our way out! jeeesus.
Namedropper
doh!
great post, TRex.
Fox is the mind-killer.
TRex @ 24
Assuming facts not in evidence.
i am sick to death of hearing “if we leave now, it will make things worse” coming out of the yapping pie-holes of every nit-wit who lied us into this mess. i just want to know, are they getting that off the same crystal ball they used to foresee the rainbows and flowers that the invasion was supposed to bring. i think the only thing that has any hope of bringing the people of iraq together, even if only for a moment, is the celebration they would have at the sight of the u.s. packing its bags and getting the hell out of their country.
I used to be disgusted.
Now I’m just ashamed.
you skipped “now I try to be amused”, but we were way past that about four years ago.
TRex @ 24
Isn’t that the truth!
Thanks for the great post, TRex! : )
Swordswoman @
14
I think this is the article you’re looking for- http://www.harpers.org/TheWayOutOfWar.html
snip
e.c. @ 26
No one has made (or could make) accurate estimations of what might happen if we simply got out of the mess we made. Logically, if we know that our presence in the country is making things worse, then we have an obligation to leave if we can’t say, definitively, that staying will improve the situation. I hear a lot of talk saying that we must stay, but none showing how, definitively, our staying will help the situation. Saying a bull is a cow doesn’t make it one.
on a lighter note, it appears that I missed a “killer” punfest in the last thread
TRex @ 24
“It is by Fox News alone I give my mind inertia. It is by the bloviations of Bill-O that thoughts lose coherence, the lip acquires shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by Fox News alone I give my mind inertia.”
Of course, no self-respecting Mentat ever watched Fox. But you get the idea.
Today a caller called into a local radio show called “About Face” hosted by members of the Veterians for Peace, the callers’ family member is in Afganistan for their 7th tour(both Iraq & Afganistan). Many of the AZ units are now on their 5th tour.
To me it sounds like “Groundhog” Movie horror show…
When I was 14, I wanted to grow up and be a Mentat.
punaise @ 31
I missed your helpful urgings on to greater depths…. :)
It’s time for re-regime change in Iraq. Now the Iraqi’s must do it on their own.
Or a rock star.
TRex @ 34
Later, the Internet came along and put you out of a job.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 20
we would have to fight our way out if we started leaving today. that’s part of what’s got their knickers in a twist. that’s part of why it hasn’t already started. bush wants to hand that hot potato off to the next president.
TRex @ 37
Why not a Mentat rock star?
C’mon Bush, bust the codpiece and “Mission Accomplished” banner outta storage, declare victory and bring our troops home for Christmas.
EvilDrPuma @ 40
We call that beast a blogger.
I’m listening to that Chris Cornell song AGAIN.
montag @ 35
have you seen the new movie “Bobber”?
fahrender @ 39
That leaves us two years to make “miserable military failure” and “George W. Bush” eternal synonyms. Those two phrases need to be more tightly associated than “Rush Limbaugh” and “pill-popping blimp.”
TRex @
24
Conflating Fox and Herbert is apropos in that they both are creators of fiction. Using Frank’s concept to describe the mind numbing sensory input Fox provides, well, that’s just good fun! But, the terrible reality is that it is true. Fox provides a semblance of factual slight of hand, “Look here’s a partial truth, non-sequitur to any point but sort of true nonetheless, and it’s shiny!”
And the unwashed masses suck it up like the opiate it is; shut down any synaptic relays responsible for questioning an authority, and slowly choke the life from their own collective brains.
punaise @ 44
I only heard about “Bobby,” and it seemed to be a hapless sinker.
I believe that the backlash has already begun. And not a minute too soon.
Came up with an answer today to the wingnuttian concept of “winning” the war: the “best” explanation for why we started the war in the first place was to “free” the Iraqi people from Saddam. We never set, as a goal, to subjugate the Iraqi people, or to save them from themselves. We’ve WON the war we started: Saddam’s gone from power. Done. Over. See ya.
Of course, that still leaves the moral question: should we leave the quagmire we created without doing everything we can to fix it? But that question has nothing to do with “completing our mission” or “winning the war.” We completed our initial mission and won our initial war the second we found Saddam in his hidey hole. Now the discussion should always be switched to overtly moral ground, where the righties are the weakest, having no morals anymore.
fanf***ingtastic post, TRex.
You the therapod!
And the very moving wordsmith.
Thanks for your work.
montag @ 47
we caught “Bobby” last night, and I’d say it’s too big to throw back. awesome emsemble cast.
LA Times opinion piece on St McCain
Do we need another TR?
Glad that someone else sees through the McCain Bu$h$hit
With all due respect, Dr. Vichydems, I think it is overly optimistic to think that there is anything we can do to fix it.
only Trex could get away with that, umm, zesty descriptive of Laura I.
Anyone who talks about bad things that will happen if we leave and doesn’t talk about bad things that will happen if we stay, and consider which is worse, is just making excuses. Oh, and not engaging in serious discussion, and undermining our national interest. Little things like that.
katymine @ 52
Imagine, McCain and the religious right charging down Some Wan Jill.
J.Wilson makeing the comment we may be “fighting our way out” goes to the core…were in too deep now.5/8 the world oil is in the area the size of illinois .We leave ,and a hostile fundi Islamic .gov will control the oil.Guess what? they dont like us much.Cant really blame them either.
We are all going to get to see what the inside of a world wide fiat currency collapse/world war looks like.Cause when turkey,and the kurds,and jordan,and syria,and evry other swingin dick starts shooting,life as we know it here will be over,baby.
Hows your Y2K preps anyway?
And the great unwashed mass of america will groan ,roll over, and say”wha’happend?”
Eureka Springs #20
Do you have a linky for Joe Wilson’s comment?
Ya can’t change direction or fix Iraq when no one has control. When there is no control, how would you effect change?
It’s like trying to mold jello with your hands. There is nothing you can grab hold of to shape it into anything. AND that jello shoots back too!
TRex @ 53
If we can, then it should be self-evident by now that the military is the wrong tool for the job. Bush hasn’t simply ignored his own 2000 campaign rhetoric about the U.S. military and nation building: he has ignored it in a case where the U.S. military was doomed to fail from the start at even stabilizing anything that could be called a nation, let alone building it.
“How Bush Can Beat the Mid-Term Blues”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01131.html
“Veterans of past administrations say foes who assume Bush has been crippled by the Democratic takeover misunderstand available opportunities.”
History Offers Post-Midterm Survival Tips For President
By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 27, 2006; Page A01
“The president was in a funk. Morose from midterm elections that handed Congress to the opposition, he stewed in private, vented to friends, turned on aides and summoned self-help gurus to help him understand just what went wrong. He was left to argue with reporters that he was still “relevant.”
It’s another Hope for Bush piece, based on come-back stories from Reagan and Clinton administrations. Good Lord, it never ends.
punaise @
54
Ever since that hemorrhoid of a woman tried to jam the voter hotlines on Election Day I’ve been brimming with acid contempt for her. I wish Grover Norquist would give her a bath.
Thersites D. Vichydems @ 49
I think that moral question incorrectly assumes that we’re making things better by staying. Before you can make a moral argument about whether we should do it, you have to make a convincing practical argument that we can do it, and beyond that, that it’s possible with the leadership we have. We’re stuck with those conditions, and unless that case can be made, deciding we should do it isn’t a moral argument, it’s just more wishful thinking.
This morning at Mass, the priest spoke of seeing Christ crucified in every picture of a dead Iraqi child, every dead 20 year old Marine, every maimed soldier, every dead young woman cut down before she knew the joys - and sorrows - of motherhood, in what he termed this damned, immoral, illegal travesty of a war declared for no real purpose. It got me to thinking, having seen on television the mad dash to the annual orgy of spending, for the season is upon us, and it’s not even December.
In my religion, which is Catholic, next Sunday will mark the beginning of Advent, the period of preparation for the oncoming birth. Way back during the mess in Viet Nam, at about this time of year, after Mi Lai had surfaced, I wrote the following. It occurs to me that nothing has changed, we have learned nothing, and we are truly left with our collective shame.
A Meditation for Christmas Eve -
Tinsel hung trees orchestrate,
in silent counterpoint, the carol
of the registers ringing, ringing out
each final cadence of excess,
flesh and sinew, cylic orgy
of possession and possessed.
Now gather we, and let us
celebrate the Savior’s birth.
Tree and wreath and gaudy bauble
crowd the creche where silent shepherds
stand in witness to the birth,
while sleep eludes the minds of children
thinking on the promises of presents
yet to come with generosity unchecked.
Parties run one into other,
we strain and dance
in quickened revel
as whiskey eases us to church.
Time and dawn will silence shatter,
please, oh please, dear Christ,
Please hurry and be born!
We yearn to crucify you,
To press into your head,
- the thorn.
Jess B. Ochoa, 2006
Wow, Jesus B.
Nice work.
Let’s look at carrots and sticks. Traditionally, the wacko right-wingers in this country have said, to any and all nations, if you don’t take our paltry leavings after we’ve finished with raping your resources (their carrot), we’ll bomb the piss out of you (their stick). (Well, that’s our foreign policy, lately, is it not?)
So, why not try a different approach? Why not say to Iraq, “umm, we admit we made a mess of your country, and we’re terribly sorry about that–you see, we have an asshole running our country even bigger than the asshole that was running your country–but, we’ll try to make amends without getting a lot more people killed. We’ll pay you $25 billion a year toward reconstruction and reparation if you will only stop killing each other and work toward getting along with each other. You must submit to auditing to see that that money is spent well and properly, but, otherwise, you’re on your own. Start killing each other and the money is toast. Be there or be square.”
That would work better than what either Bush, Jr. or Sr. could figure out.
I would like someone with military experience to weigh in on this. My thoughts on why we should leave now are kind of like this: We’re running out of bandages (troops) and we can’t stem the bleeding. Leave!
I’m very worried for our military. We can’t afford to break it.
I am in no way leaving out the harm we’ve done to Iraq and Iraqis. That is a given. I can only concentrate on one “patient” at a time.
newspaperbrat @ 58
Here.
Bob Herbert: “Iraq burns. We shop.”
http://select.nytimes.com/2006.....rt.html?hp
newspaperbrat @ 58
‘ere.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-395620
Dana, I am currently laying waste to a Cadbury Roasted Almond Bar.
Just thought you’d like to know that.
TRex @ 53
Why is it necessary to assume that removing the direct military presence of the United States means that all attempts to ‘fix’ the fiasco must grind to a halt?
I believe the more intelligent problem solvers are looking at the complexities and realizing that the mistakes where made by those who thought a military solution was possible–they were wrong. Isn’t it also legitimate to postulate that a continued military approach is just as wrong?
Without putting too much emphasis on the power of diplomacy–particularly where religious zeal is at odds–I think it is time to listen to those who council for a concerted effort to engage the other principal players in the area. The Bush administration has eshewed talks with Syria and Iran, even thought they both have very direct influence in the area, under the generalized notion that, “We do not negotiate with terrorists.”
Well, I say they were wrong about everything else (except Dick, he did say he thought Halliburton would make a mint), why believe for a second that this administration’s notions of diplomacy and its relative worth in the region are anything close to accurate.
I think the troops are currently an accelerant to the conflagration; and, I think the local powers need to be drawn in by whatever means remain, to engage in talks about filling the vacuum when the troops are removed.
TRex, we just polished one off ourselves earlier this evening–coincidence? Perhaps. Half a caramel one is still in the pantry.
Dana @ 73
I have half a Royal Dark in the fridge.
TRex @ 74
In this house there is no such thing as uneaten chocolate.
I think our troops are still there for two reasons. One, Halliburton hasn’t yet sucked dry our treasury. Two, Bush the Lesser can’t admit a mistake and can’t bear the thought of losing face.
Our soldiers are now an occupying force trapped between the factions of a civil war among the populace.
How do you win an occupation?
Petedownunder, I like to know there’s some left.
great posts. there is no doubt that we will be departing by running backward into helicoptors while fighting off the locals. we will be lucky if we are able to get out alive much less in one piece. then we watch the “ragheads” tear us from limb to limb.
bush et al deserve to be dropped into the middle of it by parachute and left to the mobs.
BTW big protest in Mexico over a toxic waste dump that is planned to be built just south of the AZ/Mexico border. Over 1000 people blocked the road north from a popular vacation spot called Rocky Point.
http://www.azcentral.com/12new.....26-CP.html
Gee, I wonder where someone learned how to do that?
Was it the Mexican Government learning from BushCo or the other way around?
I.R.A.Q.
I Remember Another Quaqmire
I think there really is no reason for us to be staying in Iraq any longer, or for ever occupying that country. The Iraqis have engaged in civil warfare since the days of the Prophet and will continue to do so as long as there are Sunnites and Shiites alive. For us to be fighting in Iraq is the same as for a man getting the
oilhoney out from a beehive with his bare hands. We won’t get theoilhoney, all that happens is that we get stung over and over again.What happened to getting our oil by diplomatic and financial means?
Dana @ 77
Me too, but if I leave it, my fiance gets it, so it’s hopeless.
SusanD @ 80
Did you just make that up?
It’s brilliant.
katymine @ 79
The law (NAFTA) says that any waste byproducts created by maquiladoras receiving raw materials from the US have to return those wastes to the US. W’all, most of those wastes have been created by companies which have already folded and gone away and have left the waste in “temporary” dumps, and the final rules, twelve years after the initiation of NAFTA, still are yet to be promulgated.
Nice going, neo-liberals.
An excellent point made tonight that I have not seen anywhere in the MSM is measuring the cost/benefit of leaving vs staying. There is great hand wringing about what dire things may happen if we leave, yet noone (except the Iraqies and the Firepups) seems to notice the dire things that happen because we are there and consider that leaving may be a net gain for both the US and Iraq.
Swordswoman @
14
Here you go.
Glad to see George up there swinging again.
Afterall…. Bush must still have checks in his US Treasury checkbook… that is why Halliburton hasn’t yet sucked dry our treasury.
Sadly no, TRex. I swiped it from Alan in CA.
How do you ask someone to be the last to die in a massive
stragic blunder?
SusanD @ 80
A thought guaranteed to have never entered Junya’s mind.
Another thought that will never touch Junya’s brain cell:
I.R.A.Q.
I Really Am Quitting.
It’s late. If you all solve the Iraq problem by morning, I’ll check in prior to reading Christy’s posts. But even just talking about possibilities is important. Who knows which snowflake twitch causes an avalanche of opinion in the modern world of the blogosphere. A simple idea might be the catalyst to change the entire chemistry of the public outcry. A simple idea like, “I Remember Another Quagmire,” might be all it takes, who knows.
Peace! Out, here.
Nighters, Swifty!
Come back soon, y’hear?
johnSwifty @ 72
Good point. I certainly don’t think that we should cease all efforts to make things better, just that we should cease using that as an excuse for continued military presence.
How do we get MSM to change the question?
What if we hit the MSM hard with a (h/t Joe) question, such as..
Can our troops evacuate safely now? Because the situation is getting much worse and we don’t have large numbers of troops available for additional support even if we want. etc.
TRex… you have mail….
Nite all… Keep the rubber