
As if on cue, Atlas Pam's meltdown continues apace. Not content to jump the shark, our favorite neocon whack-job has apparently decided to jump the entire Aquarium of the Americas by taking out a fatwa on the State Department.
Take it away, Glenn Greenwald!
Pam Atlas, spawn of Little Green Footballs, personal blogger to Bush nominee/U.N. Ambassador John Bolton, hard-core Lieberman supporter, and general good friend to the right-wing blogosphere, yesterday called for the State Department to be bombed and for American diplomats to be murdered (emphasis in original):
Back to terror funding our enemy. Do they really believe by feeding the crocodile, they won't get eaten?While those have been the Israeli and American demands of the Palestinian Arabs since Hamas won legislative elections in January, two diplomatic sources yesterday who requested anonymity said the State Department would be willing to accept a government that included some Hamas members if a majority of the cabinet agreed to the terms laid out in the 2003 road map document signed by both sides as well as America, Europe, Russia and the United Nations.Accepting Hamas? Perhaps Hamas will blow up State. Someone has to.
“We are looking at creative ways to get around this,” one diplomat said. “I would not call this ‘Hamas lite,’ but if we could get a government of negotiators instead of terrorists we’d take it.”First, kill all the diplomats (before they get us killed.)
Right you are, Pam! The way to fight political and religious extremists is to, well, take out fatwas on them, of course! It's the, erm, uh, American Way!
Back to you, Glenn:
As I have said before, the ugly bile and extremism that fuels much of the right-wing blogosphere is a story waiting to be written. This week, for instance, it was revealed that the individual who sent white powder to Keith Olbermann, Nancy Pelosi and others was an active Free Republic poster and an avid fan of Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham. The intense hate-mongering which is offered up in much of the right-wing blogosphere on a daily basis is the primary or even exclusive information diet for many people, and that is going to have consequences. Shouldn't they be examined?
For some reason, journalists are eager to talk endlessly about the handful of foolish right-wing extremists who march around wearing swastikas and Nazi costumes. That gets the media excited, despite their total isolation and lack of consequence.
But right-wing hate-mongering that is fueled by religious extremism (Christian and Jewish) is infinitely more dangerous and significant in the U.S. A strong argument can be made that religious fanaticism constitutes a significant motivating force for much of our foreign policy and certainly for the support of many people for those policies, including -- to one degree or another -- the President himself. Yet that topic makes the media very uncomfortable and it is therefore almost never discussed. It ought to be.
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Very ful-filling pic (for the shark, we hope!).
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“Everybody’s got something to hide, ‘cept for me and my monkey…”
At least Pam has no loyal McVeigh-wannabes that might take her at her word and follow-through with her recommendation…. oh, wait.
She’s getting pretty close to shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theater
thought you might enjoy this:
Connecticut For Lieberman Gets New Chair
She really does stand by her man, our Pammy. Oops I mean men: Bolton and Rummy. I may have forgotten who else.
Olbermann awarded Beck “Worst Person” for saying he “feel[s]” like asking first Muslim congressman to “prove to me that you are not working with our enemies”
On the November 15 edition of MSNBC’s Countdown, host Keith Olbermann named Glenn Beck winner of his nightly “Worst Person in the World” segment
Can’t we try and get her committed AGAINST HER WILL TO A MENTAL HEALTH CLINIC! Watching the guys in white coats case after her could be a pay per view event!
Cory @ 8
It’s a headbanger!
Plop plop fizz fizz…that shark’s gonna have one big belly ache. Yentas are all gristle.
Connecticut For Lieberman Gets New Chair
Ned Lamont gets new couch.
Americans Believed Captured in Iraq Ambush
WASHINGTON, Nov. 16, 2006 — Four Americans are believed to be among 14 people kidnapped in an ambush of a convoy of contractors in Iraq near the city of Nasariyah, defense officials tell ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/Internat.....id=2659548
I left at the end of the last thread this link:
http://www.usip.org/isg/isg_meetings.pdf
which lists outside “experts” which the Iraq Study Group interviewed. It makes for interesting reading. My favorite WTF are they doing here are:
Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) - Member, Armed Services Committee
Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) - Member, Armed Services Committee
Douglas Feith, former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy
Leslie Gelb, chairman emeritus, Council on Foreign Relations
Thomas Friedman, New York Times
Frederick Kagan, The American Enterprise Institute
William Kristol, The Weekly Standard
George Will, The Washington Post
Hugh @ 15
Inhofe? Are they denying global warming, too?
Cory@8-That’s great! How sweet it is.
TRex! not used to seeing you in the daylight hours…Pammy never lets you down, does she?
Hugh @ 15
Oh good lord what a list. We’re in trouble. Douglas Feith, expert on cherry-picked intelligence. Joseph Lieberman, expert on crawling back and forth to the gutter with a smug sanctimonious smile on his face. Thomas Friedman . . . I guess one could go on.
MayDaze @
4
Dick Morris is all over it
TRex in the not-late-night. How lucky can we be?
Pammy is just the first wave of self-destructing (how you say?) Reich Wing icons scheduled to go down in flames. Gosh this is going to be an entertaining two years!
Following up on a speculative comment I made in Late Nite about the graymail status of the Libby case, after continuing to read the tea leaves of more new sealed and unsealed filings today:
The CIPA Section 6(c) hearings are not yet concluded. The next (tenth) CIPA hearing has been or will be scheduled, presumably for sometime after next week (when the Judge is on vacation). The Intelligence Community did come through with some further substitutions to allow the government to revise its first (denied) motion of classified-substitutions. Libby has responded to that revised proposal today with a sealed filing, and with a second sealed Memorandum about his proposed CIPA exhibits #71, #100, and #178. #71 seems to be the State Department’s INR memo, which had apparently been allowed in to the satisfaction of both parties (as of a few weeks ago). #178 sounds like it may be an entry from Libby’s notes (which had some apparently-minor IC redactions in it as of a few weeks ago).
The Judge has vacated his (quite-significant and well-analyzed by Christy earlier today) November 13th Opinion about the government’s first Section 6(c) substitution motion, for reasons of clarity, he says (based on an issue raised by the defense about its wording?). He says he will re-issue an amended Opinion about his legal basis for ruling the way he does, probably at the conclusion of the Section 6(c) process.
It’s difficult to tell how far apart the two sides remain, now. The IC still seems to be struggling to meet the defense’s and Judge’s desire for more revealing substitutions. How the Judge will rule in the end will make or break the still-viable graymail dismissal threat, and it now looks like it will be at least another week or so before a decision is made (depends on the timing of the next hearing(s)). A government appeal is still possible as well, if the Judge doesn’t accept the proposed substitutions.
What a torturously drawn-out and time-consuming saga this CIPA process has been in this case, for what is a part of the defense that doesn’t directly refute in any way the charges that have been brought against Libby. [Nine hearings to date, starting September 27 and running through November 15th; and that’s after all the work that was done by the IC as part of the discovery process.] It’s the Libby team madly trying, first, to get an excuse to dismiss the case entirely, and, if that fails, trying to create some sort of reasonable doubt for the jury if the case makes it to trial (and if it meanwhile makes CIA employees work like demons on this, in the bargain, no doubt that’s just fine by Libby too…).
My SPOTLIGHT intro to TRex’s excellent post is below.
Please SPOTLIGHT this post, firepups, if you believe as I do that this issue deserves TradMed’s, and America’s, attention.
Maybe George Will is there to insure no one can read the final report…
With so many powerful Republicans in the room at once, I bet Joe had a real problem deciding whose boots to lick first.
OfT:
Crazy Uncle Lou Dobbs calls BushCo policy “faith-based economics.”
OT, but I gotta rage against the machine:
EVERY SINGLE MEDIUM WHICH PARTICIPATES IN–THUS EXPLOITING AND ENABLING–THE HYPE OF THE O.J. SIMPSON “CONFESSIONAL” SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.
I’m yellin’ at you, Charles Gibson.
ccmask @ 17
Savory bits:
For punaise’ sake — I will neither forgive nor forget Lieberman’s treachery.
OT - Personal rant so just cursor past.
Just finished reading the downstairs thread about the supposedly (and strangely staffed) Iraq Study Group, and then read that the ‘Blue Dogs’ want to keep Harmon as chair of her committee, instead of Pelosi’s choice. Let the war begin between us progressives and the DLC.
And while we have won some local battles and elected some mighty fine progressives (are we classifying Webb yet as one), the dem leadership is losing the battle to the DLC.
Start my worrying once again. And I was not helped by Hoyer’s conversation with Tweety, other than his statement that Iraq was the reason we did so well in the election. He said the dems were going to work with Bush to find a different policy, considering the safety of troops and Iraqis. Well, that second part could take a very long time. So, no pull out.
Sorry, just venting. Back to reading.
I think I’d rather stick a fork in my eye than listen or look at Pam. Once was enough,I developed a nervous tic immediately after.
Hate is a mental illness,the wingnuts prove it every day.
TRex said-
Yes you are and I am going to email clorox with a request for jasmine scented bleach for you.
looseheadprop popped in (the end of late nite thread) with a defend free speech to the bitter end statement this morning. I agree with her wholeheartedly on that point. Inciting death threats/ violence sure makes it difficult.
I still say her problem is she and Bolton had a fight. Response? Wipe out the entire diplomatic class. Problem solved.
We need to take these people DOWN.
NOW.
TRex @ 25
I’m gonna bet it’s John McCain’s. Sluuurppp!
GrandmaJ @ 29
thanks for the reminder, for all of our sake.
“my contempt for Loe Lieberman will never subside”
mui @ 33
that would be John “boot’s on the ground, Joe” McCain
TeddySanFran @ 26
he may be crazy, but he’s got this pegged.
An Angry Old Broad @ 30
Actually I disagree. As one of the resident experts on being mentally ill, I must say from this tower that hate is in a different location.
I try very hard not to hate anyone, it is bad for the soul.
I do hate the man who killed fellow musician Dale Fredericks, the Marine Corps trombone player, just to steal his car. It’s bad for my soul but I still hate the killer.
Nearly everybody else who has done violence to me and to loved ones I have been able to forgive [NOT FORGET…NEVER FORGET].
Please do not conflate hatred with mental illness. They do on occasion overlap, but one does not create the other. Plenty of mentally well people carry hatred within them.
punaise @ 35
I would like to see John’s boots on the ground leading a yellow elephant operation using Lieberman as their hood ornament/mascot.
Also don’t confuse people who are mentally ill with people who are just plain evil [with apologies to my Quaker ancestors, who insist that God’s light exists in everyone. Sometimes that light gets very dim.]
OfT:
watertiger is in transition today. therefore it’s very quiet over there. i sure hope the transit hurries up.
oh, and Tucker Carlson is loathesome. MSNBC is gonna have to make some decisions, soon. Tucker is their Glenn Beck, I suppose.
Pow-wow,
Thanks for your Libby analysis.
Fine work.
Jack
TRex — thanks for spotlighting this. It does deserve some MSM attention.
Folks can also spotlight the orginal Greenwald post by using this link and then pasting in the Greenwald permlink for that post.
Spotlight link for non-FDL posts
egregious @ 37
those boots are made for squawkin’
and that’s just where they’ll go
one of these days those boots
are gonna squawk all over Joe.
tuneforg @ 10
This is how the Soviets dealt with people they were uncomfortable with. Let’s not go down that road even in jest, ok?
I am sick to death of our government’s blind support for anything and everything the Israeli government decides to do. I am gawdamn tired of the American taxpayer providing weapons, loans and grant monies for Israeli follies.
Lieberman hubris of the day:
NYT article on the posturing of politicos at yesterday’s Iraq hearing of Armed Services Committee:
With politics as context, Senators clash on Iraq
And this is just fine with me. Just keep it up, Joe, and you’ll become the most despised man in the Senate. Pride before the fall.
egregious,
Two cheers for bi-polar sufferrers.
(one from me, one from my evil,other side.)
Suffering from bi-polar SUX! I know…..
Steny makes Tweety gush.
TRex:
Pam Atlas and Chad Castagana had social PERMISSION given an Administration that condones and perpetuates this kind of behavior. Bush and Cheney make these people feel normal.
Same goes for Minutemen, Glenn Beck, Coulter, Malkin, Ingraham, the Bow-Tie Geek and all the rest. This stuff is out of the closet and the box. The more we expose them for the bigots they are, the faster we rid these roaches from the cellar.
Thank you for your work.
Kiss ass McCain is busy telling us:
WASHINGTON - On the heels of devastating GOP losses, Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) called on the Republican Party to return to its common-sense conservatism — and implicitly cast himself as the one who can lead the party’s rebirth.
“We lost our principles and our majority. And there is no way to recover our majority without recovering our principles first,…”
What’s next? Hillary telling us that Demos have lost their way, and should to turn to her in 2008.
OfT
CSpan 2 now - Senate Bill 3709 - India Nuclear Deal:
Feingold amends that US restricts nuclear technology help to civilian use only, restricting arsenal upgrades - ReThugs w/ some predictable votes, but some Dems are voting no!
To be clear about comment 43, my words begin the comment “Please do not conflate…”
The comment which appears to be mine is from mui.
Mui–I appreciate what you wrote. There are a lot of people, some of whom are well-known, who are struggling to live a normal life.
Add me to the bipolar group. It is both my energy and my curse. Would I give it up? No, but it creates suffering for sure. Hope it’s worth it for what I can do when manic.
counting down to Wolcott
three…two…one….
Isn’t there any way to legally get at the people like Malkin and Coulter? Free speech is one thing, but inciting to violence is something else entirely. It would seem that with the arrest of the “white powder mailer” there’s something awfully close to a smoking gun. Can’t Malkin be held accountable for what she writes if it has consequences? Or is it all “just a joke, ha, ha,” which is how they seem to slough off any disapproval of their commentary?
And do we think Lieberman will provide a guiding light to peace between the Palestinians and Israel?
egregious @ 45
I’m with egregious. Mental illness can be as disabling as physical illness–with physical like symptoms-& with 100 times the stigma. I can’t even tell you how bad it was for an old childhood friend of mine. He was on so much meds the doctors (in meeting ) joked that they couldn’t believe he was still standing. But he was and completely manic like on speed. It’s physical/chemical imbalance. I applaud anyone who is courageous enough to admit they are bipolar.
Pammy on the other hand is . . .
& Michelle Malkkin is just a sociopath.
i think when jane hamsher’s on her treo she’s not Jane Hamsher with a capital JH!
egregious @ 53
oops sorry screwed up the blockquotes again.
that’s an inherent flaw in zig-busting. unless you scrub all of the commenter names, all comments appear to come from just one person.
TeddySanFran @ 26
Teddy,
I have defended you when others make fun of transgender people. I hope you will consider the impact of your words when you call someone that you disagree with “crazy.”
Lou Dobbs has strongly held opinions. That does not make him crazy imho. Not trying to be either the linguistic police or PC, just attempting to raise awareness about the last group it’s ok to make sport of, now that Webb stands up for so-called rednecks.
Isn’t inciting to riot a crime? or is it just against military regs?
eg: You are right and I apologize because I know better.
TeddySanFran @ 63
I totally forgive you. We use words in a creative way. I am just asking us to be creative at a higher level. No pressure :)
Why the f**k do we care what Pam Atlas says or thinks?
dreamcatcher @ 65
Or, for that matter, Malkin or Coulter? The fact that we pay so much attention to these nonentities says something about us…to wit, we got nothing better to do with our short span on this planet.
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The Shiite-led Interior Ministry issued an arrest warrant Thursday for the top leader of the country’s Sunni minority — a move certain to inflame already raging sectarian violence in Iraq.
Interior Minister Jawad al-Bolani, a Shiite, announced on state television that Harith al-Dhari was wanted for inciting terrorism and violence among the Iraqi people.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....1116181325
Thank you for reading, Fe. We’re all doing what we can here to try and stamp out the kind of rhetoric that gives these people the green light to hate openly and persecute people who aren’t like themselves. They’re doing real damage to this nation and to the world. We just do what we can to provide a counter-spin.
dreamcatcher @ 65
Because a lot of people listen to her and take their cues from her, and because they represent a significant part of the support for rightwing politicians, who then pander to them, but the press do not hold either the politicians or the hate advocates reponsible for what this does to political discourse.
OK Kiddo - fyi- A few replys to a question of yours on the end of the last thread.
I liken the native American struggle against the U.S. government many years ago to the present day struggle by the Palestinians for a homeland. The American Indian lost that fight big time because they were out gunned. The same will hold true for those in Palestine. U.S. weaponry always decides.
dreamcatcher @ 66
If you honestly believe that the level/content of political discourse does not matter, then you’re right; we’re all wasting our time. But I don’t believe that.
egregious @ 32
Clarification for my DoD minder: I am referring to Pam, not diplomats, when I say we must take them down. Some of my best friends are diplomats :) Furthermore, I mean by nonviolent methods.
Remember it’s NSA for receiving the signals and creating files, but DoD for analyzing, for example, whether the Quakers, after 400 years of preaching nonviolence, are suddenly going to change their mind.
egregious @ 74
No one expects the Quaker Inquisition!
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
dreamcatcher @ 66
Because someday one of their followers isn’t going to send fake powder. We are pretty good at pattern analysis and trend analysis. Let’s stop something truly evil before it happens, ok?
scarecrow @
47
We’re watching, Senator Lieberman.
Just like we watched you take Mel Sembler’s money like a good little Neocon trollop.
Just like we watched you try race-baiting in the Connecticut primary when you thought no one outside the state was paying attention.
Just like we watched your teacher’s pet act and tongue bath with George Bush.
We’re always watching. Studying you, judiciously as it were.
Enjoy your crumbs of power while they last.
The reich hatespeakers deserve full sunshine, because we know now that the Federal government believes that their words incited an admirer to do: send white powder to targets specified on right-blogs. They will crawl under their rocks — and are doing so now, by ignoring the actions they incited. TRex’s posts are my only window into what they spew, and I appreciate his continued attention. Not for the Walcott ping he’ll get, but for the opportunity his posts give me, via SPOTLIGHT, to further prod TradMed to examine what’s said over there, now that we know that what they said directly influenced (alleged) domestic terrorism.
I’d rather not have to care what they say, and I’d rather ignore them. But since others obey them, they must be called out for what they are.
scarecrow @ 69
For one, Malkkkin has two many envelope licking troops out there like what’s his name. Two, I’m really upset by the right-wing harrassment of Denise Denton that may have contributed to her suicide. Three, these are the people who give cues that it’s “o.k.” to do what was done in Oklahoma or to Matthew Shepherd.
TeddySanFran @
23
wooo-hooo! Well done TeddySanFran!
hey npb! been a while…
ty, npb.
da brat
;>)
scarecrow @ 68
Thank you, scarecrow. Very elegantly stated.
Yay, us.
scarecrow @ 73
These folks are just entertainers. They have no effect whatsoever on how people vote, or what law Congress passes. They just take up space in the mental vacuum cleaners of media-addled Americans. I do not believe for one second these folks I mention have any impact on political discourse.
The way to elevate political discourse is to discuss issues intelligently, not to respond to these folks, and I include O’Reilly, Rush and the lot. I am not sexist in that regard.
This site is 98% on target on the issues. We waste the other 2% when we talk about Atlas, Malkin, Rush, Coulter, O’Reilly and their ilk.
And in what universe is it ok for Ann Coulter to threaten the life of a Supreme Court justice?
Imagine if someone on the progressive side had made such a comment. It would be wall to wall Fox news.
I know it’s courting Secret Service attention up the wazoo to say anything about the President, does that extend to the Justices? Asking our lawyer people here.
Making a distinction between what is legal/free speech/lhp and what is deserving of investigation and PUBLIC SCORN. How can anyone still invite her onto their shows after she has threatened an SC Justice???
dreamcatcher, sure, and Tokyo Rose was just a radio entertainer.
mui @ 9
Good for Olbermann, as usual. Beck’s remarks were unprofessional, inappropriate, and purely inflammatory. It’s just as well I’m not Ellison, because I don’t doubt I would instantly have been howling at Beck to produce his evidence or produce his apology. I don’t deal well with insinuations like that, and as far as I’m concerned, it was an unwarranted display of class for Ellison to respond as he did.
dreamcatcher @ 86
tell that to them at the next Kristallnacht
Waiting for Olbermann.
egregious @ 88
That’s right, she was an entertainer. She had no effect whatsoever on the morale of our American troops in the Pacific. They knew why they were there, no Tokyo Rose had to tell them. Can you point to a single American soldier who went AWOL because of Tokyo Rose?
dreamcatcher @ 86
2% waste, you say? Pretty efficient, even by the lax standards of the intertoobs.
;>)
punaise @ 90
& unfortunately media matters. Dr. Gerbils thought so.
punaise @ 90
When you start comparing Coulter to Hitler, I know you have drunk Coulter’s kool-aid. That is exactly what she wants…to make you think that she matters.
darkblack @ 77
His days of crumbs will too soon wind down to a precious few….
Prairie Sunshine @ 96
‘November….December…’
;>)
dreamcatcher @ 86
Wrong. If you understand the concept of “Overton Windows” (moving the range — and thus the “center” — of acceptable discourse by moving the acceptable limit of the “edge”), then you will understand that the right has managed to yank *ALL* discourse way over in a right-ward direction.
Once extremist hate-mongers (Malkin, Coulter, Savage, etc.) are given the microphone on so-called mainstream media outlets, their rhetoric is given the patina of acceptability. Not so long ago, these hate-spewers would never ever have been given a public platform.
For the most extreme example of what happens when racial and cultural extremists are accepted as “normal” in political discourse, see Rwanda. Or for an earlier era, see post-1933 Germany (led up to by an incessant “Kulturkampf,” the “Dolchstosstheorie” [”stab-in-the-back” theory of why WWI was lost - sound familiar] and the “mainstreaming” of extremist hatred).
For a better understanding of why all these things matter, read David Neiwert’s excellent blog, Orcinus. Or the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center.
yer singin’ my song, darkblack
Hugh @ 15
I’m growing less convinced by the belief that the ISG is Poppy sending the boys to bail Du