
The train's leaving the station -- you better get on board, George. You too, Rahm.
So, as you've probably already read elsewhere, Oliver Willis reminds us this morning that about this time two years ago, Karl Rove was gloating about a semi-permanent Republican alignment that would "last for years, maybe decades." Ha, ha, ha... I guess it's safe to say that particular pooch isn't a virgin anymore, if you know what I mean.
But as we celebrate Tuesday's results, how can our side avoid making the same mistake? Already, I've noticed some normally cynical bloggers waxing effusively about a "mainstream, progressive Democratic majority." Is that true? Given the newly released Gallup analysis that says Democrats won the election through the support of a lot of groups who don't usually back them -- largely due to their disgust with the Iraq war and congressional corruption -- it seems to me more like a first date than a wedding.
Which raises the question of how we convince those folks to settle down for a long-term relationship. And how do we balance that against our desire to immediately jump in and undo the outrages and injustices of the past several years? As Christy says just below:
Whether we like it or not, governance is, in some measure for some things, about compromise. Advocacy is about standing on principle. We need to start being smarter about how we marry the two in order to get what we want.
There's a recommended dKos diary and a post at TPM Cafe by Greg Sargent on this subject that are both worth reading, but the lesson I would draw is that we need to "compromise" in the sense of choosing (and framing) our issues carefully, but not backing down once the battle has been joined on those issues.
Isn't that the lesson of the two great political victories Democrats have won since 2005 -- first on Social Security, and then in nationalizing the midterm elections around Iraq? In both cases, progressives stood up knowing that despite the tut-tutting from DC elite opinionmakers, the broad majority of the public was on our side... and by standing our ground, we won (leaving the timid elitists to jump on the bandwagon afterward and claim it was their idea all along).
The important thing to focus on is picking the issues that will put the centrists on our side -- and recognizing where we might have to wait on, or figure out a way of reframing, certain issues whose urgency or value isn't as immediately apparent. Here's something I said at Needlenose on Tuesday:
Democrats should position themselves as talking not simply on behalf of themselves but as ordinary Americans, with whom Republicans are out of sync... in other words, just how they've tried to paint us all these years.
Particularly with the divided government that (we hope!) is likely to result from today's election -- with Democrats having their first real voice in national politics in years, but without the power to force legislation through on their own -- it is vital that we don't get trapped in talking about a "Democratic agenda" versus a "Republican agenda." That will only enable the spineless triangulators and the compromise-for-compromise's-sake crowd. This election is about Republicans' failure to do the people's business, to fulfill an American agenda that we support and will not compromise on. Republicans will either have to come on board or force the American people to reject them more decisively in 2008.
So that's what it comes down to... understanding what issues the broad American public considers to be the most pressing business before the country, and presenting common-sense solutions to them. If we let ourselves get distracted from that, we're in danger of letting the Republicans re-take the political initiative.
But on issues where we know we're in sync with the center, we shouldn't let up just for the sake of seeming "bipartisan." As with Social Security and Iraq, we should let anyone who stands in our way know that the train is leaving the station, and it's up to them to get on board.
Login Here
Share This
Spotlight
FITZ!
Blogs!!
Collaboration!
Representative Smith!
EPU’d
From Americablog:
http://americablog.blogspot.co.....video.html
Swopa!
Peace on Earth.
L.G. Fucktard @ 4
Censorship!… DOH!!!
EPU’d just now below:
Mrs. K8 @ 220
[Lincoln Chafee not interested in “making nice” with George. Seems that if he has any anger over losing his seat, it’s not being expressed in revenge against the Democrats! Good for him for doing what’s best for the nation!]
REDDRUN
Oh and Dems– yoo hoo!
Stay away from K Street and I mean it!
Great post, Swopa.
I noted a comment from Pachacutec earlier on compromise and the text, Getting to Yes. This was a required textbook at the business school I attended, for a management class taught by a professional arbitrator who worked for GM.
What he taught me was that I had to have in place before I began negotiations a firm floor below which I knew I would not go. What is our floor? What are the non-negotiable matters that we will not compromise? If we cannot articulate what this floor is, we are already at a loss as we enter discussions; we can’t ask for more than our floor and get more than our floor if we don’t even know what it is.
This is the challenge we’ve faced as Democratic Party members, and the right-wing perceives it as a lack of an agenda or lack of solutions. We’ve simply never said, “These tenets are absolutely sacred to democratic/Democratic processes, and will be preserved at all costs. All else is negotiable.”
Where do we start?
Habeas corpus?
I absolutely agree. Part of why the Republicans lost was that they weren’t open to discussion much less common sense. So much for their diss on the reality-based community. People are tired of being asked to put out burning flags while the soldiers die from lack of armor. They want pragmatic action.
Or, perhaps in certain cases, jump in front of it
Dems have to show that we can Govern.
If we perform, the American public will stay with us.
This requires a long term view on expectations of the new congress.
I will also remind everyone that the military uses the Marines to take the beach, the army to secure the town and diplomats to establish run run the new government.
We have secured the beach and the villages. This is not the time for payback, it is the time for cool heads.
Vengeance is a dish best served COLD.
We need to view 08 as the real prize.
Republicans have pushed a meme that their fundamentalist supporters’ beliefs are the “mainstream”. This was never borne out by the issue polls, but they managed to get the MSM to buy into it. Not only that, the DLC bought it also and triangulated to a position far to the right of the public. It’s time for Dems to acknowledge that the truly centrist positions are much closer to those of progressives.
“Yesterday I heard the same old rhetorical garbage in the President’s press conference.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....33719.html
restore the War Crimes Act.
and habeas corpus.
NO TORTURE.
No wiretapping.
No more Unpatriot Act.
End the occupations.
Take great care of our country, her people and restore our tattered reputation in the world and our revered Constitution here at home.
Rayne @
11
The Constitution? That’s not particularly ‘progressive’ I suppose, but I think there’s a lot of work ahead to get back to there. And it’s pretty non-controversial. ;)
I want Repub and neo-con scalps!!!
Organic George @ 14
Vengeance can actually be omitted entirely. This is not about payback it’s about *sanitation*.
Great post, Swopa. I too noticed the NYT article where Rahm and Chuck were reinvented as a bunch of smelly hippie peacenicks. Very nice.
I know the impulse will be to try to woo these new voters (whites, rural voters, marrieds) by trying to turn into Republican lite, and talk the socially conservative talk that masters of the obvious think will woo them.
But social issues were not what drew them to vote Democratic in the first place, and it seems more likely that convincing them that Democrats do stand for the values they voted on — government oversight, job creation and protection, a strong economy — would be the better task.
Instead we get noise coming out of DC saying “we are all Heath Shuler.”
There just is not a lot of imagination in that bunch.
The Democrats should start small and work towards something bigger. The minimum wage is a great starting point, but the next thing on the agenda is to put forward lobbying reform that has some teeth and doesn’t contain holes big enough to drive a Humvee through. After that, break out the subpoenas and clean up what went before.
greenboy says…
In general, “Define Victory” is good question for any reactionary prick who blathers on about Victory, from the Arch-Assholes like Hannity down to your wise-ass reactionary neighbor.
http://www.needlenose.com/
I missed Christy’s post - my laptop crashed yesterday (burned hard drive - too much heat from FDL and elsewhere on election night?!). I agree (and don’t completely) with this post. I agree that maintaining control politically is about broadening the scope of our (Democratic) engagement in critical ways. Yet two things stand out about this election: the repeated concern on the Iraq war and a need for government to return to actually governing. Both issues in some circles (Dem included) have been framed as ‘fringe’ (loser liberal) issues. Yet these are what the country seems to be asking for - not just us.
We also saw that those candidates who seem to be carefully constructing their agenda to appeal to some ideal “moderates” were not so effective. What people were looking for is a sense of integrity (strength and commitment) about the issues - Tester, for example. Deval Patrick - a very candid candidate (and liberal) won moderates in Mass by speaking frankly about the problem with income taxes being lowered (property taxes and fees rise). He won overwhelmingly - across parties and political agendas. Both also (through that integrity) have the key component of charisma, the ability to inspire themselves (and us) to greatness, someone at the same time who is seen to be at one with us.
As we think about 2008, I believe we need to put aside as best we can the Lamont damage issue (the damn Dems who didn’t come to Conn) and look to how well they have been (and will be) able to articulate a vision of greatness, someone with whom the country as a whole envisions a sense of integrity, hope, and action. Some candidates at play now do this well; others do not (Clinton, Biden).
Rayne @ 11
habeas corpus, applying to everyone within the US border, regardless of citizenship or legality
no warrantless surveillance of any kind - they can get warrants from the FISA court without problems, so they can f**king well get warrants
signing statements shall not have any force in law, they’re just a statement of how the president understands the bill
congress and the president can’t tell the judges how to read the laws, or what laws they may read in order to decide a case, because that isn’t their job
the Fairness Doctrine, net neutrality, and campaign financing are high priority too
I, personally, want a law that says that no lobbyist can be on the floor of congress for any reason, even if they’re a former member
Justice and accountability. Not a millimeter less.
OT Georgie Felix about to eat crow on national teevee. (flanked by Warner and wife Susan)
mweeheehee! Oh happy day!
Oh and I want the money out of elections– it’s too corrupt and our forebears would be horrified, I am sure.
These millions could be spent for so much good.
Can we get out of Iraq now please?
Hey Karl,
So, can we have a look at those super-secret polls that assured you’d keep the House and the Senate? What’s that? They got shredded by Cheney?
Well, isn’t THAT special!
Jane Hamsher @ 21
They’ve been trained in a lot of bad habits that they can’t break.
But what the Social Security and Iraq fights prove is that if we know the public is behind us, the Rahm/DLC types and their buddies in the media become totally fucking irrelevant.
So let ‘em run to Adam Nagourney with their quotes. They’ll have as much effect in the long run as the mighty John-Kerry-insulted-the-troops controversy did on the election.
Allen is conceding!’
The Senate is BLUE!!!
I don’t hear or see Senator Clinton celebrating “her” party’s victory.
As a downpayment on America’s future, I want Murtha as our majority leader.
And a statement by all dem leaders and America does NOT believe in torture and will do everything they can to stop it from happening.
And they want to visit the Cuba prison.
George thanks his mom “who was involved in the campaign.”
really???
The 51 seats that we have in the Senate (Lieberman is actually considered a Democrat since he is registered as one, and I included Sanders from Vermont) represent 57% of the population compared to the 43% of the population that the Repug seats represent. I think that could be considered a mandate to lead!
The decisive majority in the House could also be considered a mandate to lead.
I just hope that we are mature enough and there is enough leadership skills in the party not to squander that mandate. I like what I am hearing from Pelosi so far.
My priority would be to restore democracy in this country.
George thanks God.
So do I.
HotFlash @ 28
And… can we stop our stooges in the Gaza?
Watching CNN…
Oh somebody please yell “MACACA”!
vaya neo-con dios, my darling.
.
.
I’m still disturbed by ANY pol who says, “My first job is to protect the American people.”
Although that is obviously important, all these folks swear an oath to the Constitution. Preserve, protect, defend. Remember?
Love that Tested debate quote to Burns’ accusation Tester would ‘weaken’ the Patriot Act:
“I don’t want to weaken it, I want to REPEAL it.”
Good on ya, Jon!
(Emphasis added).
I think you need to start by, rightfully, claiming the middle ground - the “mainstream” - for your issues rather than reflexively (or proprietarily) claiming your issues as “progressive” (i.e. liberal or leftist).
If you want to take a message out of the election it is that regardless of the failed wetdream of Rover’s you cite, or media reportage of elite opinions claiming otherwise, the country as a whole, the main stream, isn’t as “right” as they either hoped or thought, or hope and think. That whole myth creation and marketing thing.
I’ve never understood the idea of self-marginalization, and that is what you do if you begin by stating that your positions, as self identified, on the issues are progressive to begin with, rather than “mainstream” or “centrist,” or, my favorite “common sense.”
Why start with a disadvantage created from wholecloth by your opponents and wielded as a cudgel, quite effectively till yesterday, to their great advantage.
Why play by their rules, using their Orwellian vocabulary? Doesn’t make any sense to me.
THe Bible has instructions for conceding a political loss?
Huh, musta missed that passage.
(Oh, stop, I know he quoted Ecclesiastes but that was a sloppy throw to the Christianists.)
Karl Rove. The main brain.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 37
And close Gitmo, Abu Graib and all the rest of those places we don’t even know about?
Ah. He’s going to run again. For something. I don’t know what. Oh holy crap, does he think he can still run for president?
buh-bye, Macacawitz
obviously, i knew this was coming, but i just saw the words “Dems Control the Senate” on the front page of msnbc.com and have HUGE chills… this is really hitting.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
…drain.
oh no, now my posts are disappearing again.
Georgie tossed a football, thanked God and his wife Susan.
I think he might cry (as well he should.)
I also think he thinks he is still campaigning. Talking about how much he has done for VA.
My CBS station is now going back to Guiding Light.
Good, I’ve been wondering what happened to Reva.
shorter macaca - I could call for a recount and screw you guys but I won’t
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
He’s gonna be in *BIG* trouble. He told George not to worry, it was a cakewalk.
Where’s Condi? Buying real estate in Paraguay?
skippy @ 39
and vaya con carne. Karl.
RagingGurrl @ 45
Allen? George Allen?
has ‘excellent’ monty BURNS conceded in MT yet???
he’s quoting a purpose driven life?
omg, he has the hubris intact and unchecked. (I am taking the high road, y’all. I am still drinking the kool aid.)
lot’s of references to God and prayers.
and football.
bye bye.
ok, Allen concession over
Oklahoma kiddo @ 53
OKiddo! Meant so comment on how chirpy you’ve been lately! Get some good news?
i heart jane @ 55
Yup! He is off to kill a deer now.
All right, that’s done then. We have the Senate, come January. Depending, of course, on RGJoe keeping his word.
I guess Rove can start selling used cars now.
bemused @ 50
Hahahahahaha!!!!!
angie @ 56
Yeah, you nailed it perfectly. I guess that’s about as statesmanlike as Allen gets; it wasn’t too bad.
RagingGurrl @ 45
dog catcher (oh wait, that’s Ricky’s goal)
angie @
10
And I’m with my girl here. **looking at Rahm**
AZ Matt @ 59
and soon to the BIG HOUSE!!!!
Senator Warner’s gracious introduction including Mrs. Allen shows why everybody here respects him across party lines.
I find myself a little sorry for Senator Allen. Yes he did bring this upon himself. But as a human moment, how awful for him, and he is giving a good speech even though it must feel like the end of the world.
It’s good not to have a recount. The state–and the nation–need not be put through protracted elections. Of course I support recounts where there might be a change in outcome, but that would not happen here.
To my surprise, I am crying, but not for him. I think it’s the difference between knowing in my mind that Webb won, and knowing in my gut.
When my sister Barbara got good test results about her thyroid cancer, we felt relieved. But then when the doctor personally affirmed these results, it was a moment of great release.
WE HAVE DONE IT. WE MADE IT HAPPEN.
Pass the kleenex please?
As a matter of tactics, I think Pelosi should use the first few months to wring as many concessions as she can from Bush on legislation, holding out an implicit promise to go easy on investigations.
Once she has enacted some laws which can stand as the Democratic agenda, then the hammer can fall.
There’s really no way to avoid some very unpleasant battles over checks and balances, but I really do think that passing some good legislation should be the first priority now.
Legislative control is fabulous for the Dems right now, but much work will have to go into convincing the electorate that if the Democrats control Congress - it’s ok if a Democrat controls the executive as well.
The Bush/House/Senate/Supreme Court triangulation has made alot of people fearful of one party government. If Dems win the WH and lose the Congress in 2008, it’ll be the Clinton impeachment redux. If Dems retain control of Congress but end up with John McCain in the WH, well that would just be 4 years of hard headed do nothingness.
I can see J. Murtha getting Majority Leader. He’s the guy to (force W to) get us out of Iraq, without the usual hobgolin smears sticking.
Wondering at all, anyone, why the Virginia and Montana Senate races both turned into cliffhangers, in defiance of the exit polls in those states?
Don’t give more credit to the Republicans than they’ve actually earned… (Especially because this will affect the way Democrats govern, in line with Swopa’s timely post.)
Using numbers provided by blogger TruthIsAll, and posted at DU, these are the exit polls (last valid, unadjusted-to-actual-results sample at 7 p.m.) taken for the Senate races, along with the final vote percentages from the electronic-vote-counting apparatus:
Virginia:
Exit Poll (based on the word of voters who had just cast their votes - and thus, historically, pretty darn accurate) gave Jim Webb (D) 53% and George Allen (R) 46%.
The electronic computerized tally begged to differ with that exit poll, and gave Jim Webb 50% to George Allen’s 49%.
Montana:
Exit Poll gave Jon Tester (D) 53% and Conrad Burns (R) 46%.
The electronic computerized tally (including some middle-of-the-night re-start of the count in GOP-heavy Yellowstone County) gave Jon Tester 49% to Conrad Burns’s 48%.
Summary: In Virginia, Jim Webb was leading George Allen by 7% according to actual voters reflected in the 7 p.m. exit polls on election day. Yet Webb allegedly ended up only leading George Allen by 1% after the electronic voting system finished tabulating.
And in Montana, Jon Tester was also leading Conrad Burns by 7% according to actual voters reflected in the 7 p.m. exit polls on election day. But Tester also allegedly ended up leading Conrad Burns by only 1% after the electronic voting system finished tabulating.
Do not discount the unverifiable manipulations of computerized tallies that may have transpired behind the scenes. It appears the advice to overwhelm the margin of fraud with massive turnout, given by Greg Palast and many others including here at FDL, may have just barely done the trick, with regard to these Senate races and thus control of the Senate. Their guess at the margin they needed to overcome was a little low, and so small wonder that neither Republican loser plans to object very strenuously to the Webb and Tester victories…
Unfortunately, we have no exit polls to use as a comparison in places like Mean Jean’s repeatedly-questionable district in SW Ohio… Who knows how many key House races had similar “help” from the wizardry of secret computer code in partisan hands.
And just to give the context here: In New Jersey and Tennessee, the 7 p.m. exit polls exactly matched the final vote count in those races (an 8% Menendez win in NJ and a 3% loss by Ford in TN). In Missouri the exit polls gave McCaskill a 2% lead, and she won with 3%. In Ohio, the exit polls gave Brown a 14% lead, and he won with 12%. In Pennsylvania, the exit polls gave Casey a 15% lead, and he won with 18%. Finally, in Rhode Island, the exit polls gave Whitehouse a 7% lead, and he won with 6%. [TIA didn’t include the CT race with the others.]
HotFlash @ 58
:)
From an ACLU e-mail just now:
Let’s be sure that Congress hears us. We are the spine.
Now that the “stupidest fucking Senator in Congress” (which is how I heard Allen described by some astute commenter) is GONE, the collective I.Q. of the Senate just rose appreciably.
Oklahoma kiddo @
19
If it’s any consolation, I just heard a snippet on CSPAN that mentioned with a democratic congress the republican congressional budget will be cut in half. Half of the GOP staffers will be looking for new job. K street most likely won’t be looking to hire gopers and I don’t think there are enough think tanks to absorb them all.
Mrs. K8 @ 74
I have heard that John Warner thinks the same despite his intro of the former senator Macaca.
HotFlash @ 54
Crazy, no? CNN reporters failed to note that a recount would be unproductive considering the margin of victory. Allen’s statement: “I’m takin’ the high road and not calling for a recount” is self serving. He gets to appear to be a resonable fellow when in reality, he lost, lost, OMG he lost.
beth meacham @ 60
With just two days of canvassing in CT I found that there were a lot of people who voted for Lieberman who really don’t like him. They just didn’t want a big change in the middle of dangerous times. I got the feeling that the people of CT really didn’t like change. But you get what you pay for and I hope that the people of CT don’t go into sticker shock when they find out the price of keeping RGJ.
Marky @ 68
Sorry, Marky, but I think that it would be a huge mistake to bargain away investigations for political gain. We would look as corrupt as the Rethugs. The way to get things through is to attach them to “must pass” funding bills.
Thank You, America
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1109-22.htm
Helpless Dancer @ 75
I’m sure they’ll find a few understaffed glory holes.
But as we celebrate Tuesday’s results, how can our side avoid making the same mistake?
Easy. Start locking up the republicans. And pass a law that makes offering or accepting a bribe to or on behalf of a public official a capital offense. Retroactively. And then start choppin’ heads.
FYI - C-Span has a wonderful collection of victory and consolation speeches.
http://www.campaignnetwork.org/
Helpless Dancer @ 75
I feel good!
angie @
76
Hahahaha! True, that. That’s because Warner, while lacking enough spine to remain true to his own sane convictions and constitutional principles (no matter what the pressure from the WH) is nonetheless NOT stupid.
Webb, Reid and Durbin coming up now on CNN!
wooHOO!
Dems got a lot of mileage out of the Dubai Ports scandal. We should attack war profiteering and free trade idealism.
…………
Vaya sans the door hitting your ass on the way out, macacca.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 41
WELL PUT!! EXACTLY RIGHT!!
Serious change on Iraq, sunlight on its LIES and some nut crushing/shredding on all the corruption is what the american people voted for ….if they don’t see it happening …the mandate will be lost…and deservedly so.
Larry
egregious @ 12:25 pm (#67)
Hadn’t been able to put my finger on what it was that Warner did to earn such respect, but I think that’s it. He’s also, on occasion, spoken out when he thought things were going wrong. My guess is that he does a lot more speaking behind the scenes.
I find myself a little sorry for Senator Allen. Yes he did bring this upon himself. But as a human moment, how awful for him, and he is giving a good speech even though it must feel like the end of the world.
His demise was of his own making, but arrogance and short-sightedness are things we’re all prone to. That’s worth remembering.
It seems unlikely in the extreme. I suspect Allen’s advisers made that clear. There was a lawyer on as a commentator on CNN election night (Toobins?). His specialty apparently was election law. He said that with the vote difference being what it was, it’s highly unlikely that the vote will change. In our governor’s race two years ago, the vote differential shifted less than 500 votes out of about 2 million cast after two recounts. The Webb-Allen differential is at least ten times that.
When my sister Barbara got good test results about her thyroid cancer, we felt relieved. But then when the doctor personally affirmed these results, it was a moment of great release.
WE HAVE DONE IT. WE MADE IT HAPPEN.
Pass the kleenex please?
Here ya go.
Not negotiable:
– Social Security as a government-managed safety net for senior citizens
– habeas corpus for all citizens and non-citizens not otherwise covered by Geneva Conventions.
– no earmarks
– ethics reform (must include removal of lobbyists from floor of House and Senate, must limit influence so that access is no greater than that of citizens, must make personal financial trading based on bills in Congress illegal — at a minimum)
– campaign finance reform (must happen within 2 years, must limit soft money equitably)
– broadcast media control (70-plus percent of voters polled favored the concept of the Fairness Doctrine, if memory serves)
What else is non-negotiable?
How are issues surrounding the above points negotiable? Like SS: how to fund is surely negotiable, but privatizing is not, yes?
Dear Democratic winners:
This stuff needs to be fixed/halted/reversed/amended.
(Its also a list of what not to do if you want to continue to govern.)
.
The incompetence and war profiteering with which the reconstruction of Iraq has proceeded.
Demagoguing the public into the Iraq war with fake WMD claims - the Downing Street memos.
The incompetence displayed in Katrina - Heckuva job Brownie.
Politicizing ’skills required’ federal agency appointments
Torture / abandoning the Geneva conventions.
Rendition and secret prisons, etc.
Warrantless wiretapping.
The K Street culture of corruption, Abramoff, Delay, etc.
The Military Commissions Act and elimination of habeus corpus.
The intervention into the life of terminal patients like Terry Schiavo.
Incorporating the views of the religious right into administration policy.
Changing legislation after it is voted on.
Presidential signing statements.
Outing a covert CIA agent for political advantage and politicizing intelligence in general.
Stuffing the federal judicary with life term right wing extremists.
Tax cuts for the have mores.
Deficit spending in times of prosperity and running up the national debt.
Ugly american foreign policy/cowboy diplomacy.
Ignoring science, global warming, intelligent design .
Politicing anti terrorist activities, staging arrests .
The Dubai takeover of the ports.
Incompetence in controlling the border.
Covering up behavior like that of Mark Foley.
Privatizing social security.
Karl Rove and the politicizing of virtually all policy.
Cheney Rumsfeld and the neocons.
Free speech zones
.
None of the foregoing represents what most of America stands for.
.
All of the foregoing represents what republicans stand for.
.
This election rejected what republicans stand for.
lisadawn82 @
78
Not to throw gas on the conspiracy-theory blaze, but whaddya think that Gates as SecDef is a ‘lesser of two evils’ foil for Lieberman as SecDef? The whispers start like this: “You better confirm Gates without mentioning Iran-Contra or OBL in Afghanistan, or else we’ll pull him, nominate Joe, and you can kiss your senate majority goodbye…”
sigh. Such a f*cking travesty that CT let him continue to shizzzat on all of us like this. Ned would have been much better for 1,001 reasons and, and this is the first concrete example.
Maydaze,
I’m just suggesting that Pelosi mislead Bush—not that she make some backroom deal.
If she goes in to meet him and says “These are the bills I want to work on. They will be the priority for the first 100 days.”, doesn’t that give the message that investigations aren’t on the front burner?
Bush is in NO position to bargain now. All I’m saying is that Pelosi can probably get Bush’s support on legislation now, then screw him later.
Why not?
Damn.
UpChuck is all over the place these days. Does he just look for cameras, then show up?
Ah, hell. Reid sounds like a ninny : we’re happy for the opportunity to prove to the American people that we can work with Republicans?? Huh?Wha?
Ack - Durbin kissing Scummies ass. Ah hell.
Allen knows the vote can’t change much — because there is NOTHING to count. All they could do was look at the final tally receipts yet another time.
For the very first time, even the nutcases over at Free Republic are saying, “What?!? There’s NO PAPER TRAIL?!?!? That’s not right!”
Now maybe we can get election reform measures legislated — to include a verifiable paper trail.
None of this is to say that there was anything wrong about the Virginia vote. But it’s great to hear the right-wingers screaming for reform of the process, too.
Excellent and timely post, Mr Swopa, and worth re-reading to stay on topic. It’s a big, hard topic (stop that!) but if we don’t frame it somebody else will, and we may not like it. So, here is what you said:
My feeling is that the big (still) ignored issue is the war. Until we stop pouring our $$, our children and our honor as a nation down that tube we will have nothing to do here and nothing to do it with. The enabling legislation — AUMF, Patriot Act, Warner Act (parts of), and the Military Commissions Act must be sanitized. It seems that if little line items in an omnibus bill can negate pre-existing legislation, that route can be used to cancel the abuses that were introduced that way.
The GWOT has been used to justify the destruction of so much — our economy, our freedom and most of all the lives of so many on both sides.
RaginGrrl,
Talking bipartisanship is fine. The key is to redefine it. Today bipartisan means Bush has to do what Pelosi wants, for the most part.
Restore the Constitution and protect it against the Unitary Idiot.
Drain the Swamp. Corruption topped the list of priorities during exit interviews. Let’s show we’re serious about cleaning up government and restoring ethics to Congress. Tough rules across the board. No openings to lead Congresspersons into temptation.
Investigate the corruption and incompetence of companies selected for Iraq contracts.
Iraq remains mostly in Bush’s court, at least until the Committee report comes in. We need to know our bottom line positions and how we will deal with Bush’s likely positions.
And I should add, don’t take away from the solid, and amazing, victories both Jon Tester and Jim Webb delivered in their so-called “Red States.” Likewise, don’t take away from the message the voters of those “Red States” actually sent to Washington, based on the 7% margins of victory for their Democratic Senators rather than the “official” 1% margins of victory.
THANK YOU MONTANA AND VIRGINIA VOTERS.
Senator Allen is not like some of the others in Congress who were just voted out because of scandal. He is tied to the extremely unpopular Bush and he made mistakes during the campaign.
George Allen will continue to be given positions within the Republican world. People like him. He speaks well. He has physical presence. He’s good with crowds.
He is not a very nice human being, but he is effective politically