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Last night Mike Krempasky of Red State was on CNN saying how liberal blogs wouldn't be taken seriously because of Ned Lamont's loss. We understand that Krempasky didn't quite get the implications of the Democratic landslide that Ned's campaign triggered, but maybe he didn't look at the fruits of their fundraising efforts on behalf of GOP candidates?
Here's the 1-20 'losers' they supported....And just for the record, their sole victory came against Rahm Emanual's $3M+ selfish gambit. Had netroots-backed Christine Cegelis had just $500K of that amount and the nomination, instead of the machine-supported out-of-district-Duckworth, we could have defeated Roskam too.
Not that I'm opposed to backing candidates out of principle, but if Lamont's loss is his criteria for judging whether we should be taken seriously or not, how seriously should we be taking them?
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FITZ!
Ding Dong!
Geez, Mike, try to maintain a modicum of consistency would you?
Olbermann!
OT Brooks was just on the NewsHour saying oh yeah, this Rumsfeld thing has been in the works for a while, showing that the big lie is alive and healthy. It’s as believable as if Iraq’s principal export was oranges, we would have invaded anyway. And with victory comes responsibility. And the vote yesterday was a vote against Republicans, so no mandate. Does say that Dems are moving toward the center but then talks about “centrist” like Schumer and Emanuel. D*mn that guy sets his talking points in a row.
After listening to Redd’s honest take on Lamont’s loss it was disgusting to hear the Red Stater label the lefty bloggers as immature. Jerk.
Also OT
Via Froomkin, Peter Baker and Jim VandeHei write in The Washington Post
WTF, I must have stepped out of the room for a minute because I missed the angry opposition bit. This is btw more of the Democrats are now responsible for Republican errors meme.
What will Krempansky’s corporate consulting clients think!!
My god, the ineptitude.
Bustednuckles @ 2
Rahma lama ding dong must go.
I feel strangely optimistic.
Almost giddy
Jane– you are on fire!
Oklahoma kiddo @
9
I wonder if he actually does realize the importance of Ned’s run and the people who truly did turn the tide of last night’s election. I almost hope the poor man is blissfully ignorant, otherwise I wonder how he feels to know the narrow end of Jane and Christy’s telescope is focusing in on him!??!
Right roots = crabby grass
What are they smoking over there?
moeman @ 6
Is there a transcript? I was sorry I wasn’t able to watch Christy last night and would love to read her assessment.
Olbermann IS liking it.
You’ll continue to see a lot of this sort of thinking in the next few days, and not just from the right. Just pick an example case or two that make your case and ignore all the equally valid ones that don’t. It’s a rhetorical fallacy that’s often called “hasty generalization” or “insufficient sampling”.
Whatever you call it, just picking a couple of examples from a whole bunch and saying that they represent some generalized trend or phenomenon is so obviously wrong that I’m amazed at how many people take such arguments seriously.
Thanks Jane; the Bowers list is just what we needed. The rightwing list is also fascinating. Who are these people?
I notice Mr. Schlesinger is not on the list. Must have been an oversight.
Here is a metric for determining how “seriously” the liberal blogs might be taken: How many calls, and how soon, do you think Howie is going to be fielding from candidates thinking it would be a good idea to get listed with Blue America in the next cycle?
On Lou Dobbs…
See Ed. Se Ed’s head explode!
ZIMMERMAN: I think, Errol, you’re underestimating the Democratic — the new Democratic members of Congress, and also the agenda of the Democratic Congress. Border and port security has been one of the top priorities, putting in place the 9/11 Commission recommendations has been critical. And you’re not going to see a Democratic Congress ignore or be for open borders and open ports.
ROLLINS: If the president tries to push through this with Democrat support, he might as well move in Pelosi’s office, the speaker’s office, because he’s going to have no support from Republicans who feel that he basically led them over the cliff yesterday. And he might as well just pack his bags, because the next two years he’ll have no Republican support on any major issues.
DOBBS: I wonder if many members of the House of Representatives, particularly than I think he led them over the cliff than pushed them toward that cliff on issues like comprehensive immigration reform, where he aligned with 31 Democrats in the Senate to get his legislation through.
ROLLINS: I think there’s a lot of gnashing of the teeth and a lot of second-guessing today of the strategy or lack of strategy in this campaign.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA.....dt.01.html
The wingnuts had a very bitter night. They’ve been pissing about our posts all day today, particularly irked by our popping the bubble of “this was a victory for conservatism” story from Rahm
EmanuelDelay and his crew.Limbaugh flip-flop on Olbermann
EPU’d from below…
I’ll just add that this was the first election I ever devoted any time/money towards specific candidates and it’s been a thrill to have some positive results. I want to congratulate and thank everyone affiliated with this blog for all you’ve done to get us to the point. The future looks a lot brighter today than it did yesterday.
I don’t know if Mike Allen of Time is a regular on Countdown, but he was a stammering moron today. And if that is his usual schtick, they should dump him.
dab from CT: Christy’s appearance:
The picture is here:
Christy on CNN
I was explaining the election to my kids over dinner tonight. I said “Imagine if [NAME REDACTED] was in your class and did whatever he wanted without ever getting in trouble. In fact, you got in trouble for stuff he did.
Now imagine that you got a new teacher halfway through the year that said “No more [NAME REDACTED], you will not behave that way anymore.” How would you feel?
They got it. Progressives in training!
Melanoma Moregun hisses “nutroots” when referring to left blogs. The netroots really torment her! :)
Radio Wingnuttia was fascinating today, in the way that slime mold is fascinating to a mycologist.
Oxyconman says he’s liberated from carrying the GOP’s water;
Savage Weiner calls Shrub “the Jackass-in-Chief”;
other rightwing slime mold variants similarly pile on clusterfuck and the rubberstamp rethugs;
Hannity aka Pompous Douchebag, for one, seems unable to remove lips from the Bush rectum, and will go down with the dingy.
I have this vision of hell. I’m forced into a blind dinner date with Hillary, Rahm and Joe.
Sean tosses Fredo’s salad. A little Thousand Island for that tossed salad Sean?
This is great news we need the right to stay deluded! Self examination might mean they learn from their mistakes, Rahm however can’t have the purse strings anylonger. I think he should talk all he wants about the center, but the man picks losers if this were gambling I would bet the opposite of whatever he choose.
Cujo359
It’s a rhetorical fallacy that’s often called “hasty generalization” or “insufficient sampling”.
I thought it was just lying to be mean.
I’m possibly the EPU winner of all time. I’m just asking… Would it be possible for a new poster to be the one to let the old thread know there’s something new happening upstairs? Or would that absolutely ruin everyone’s FITZ moment? I’m not trying to be snotty, but some of us drop in and out at odd moments during the day and night, and it can be very frustrating to be repeatedly EPUd. Just asking…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
… the subject of which is “Which group of rabid lambs has the most venom. Discuss”.
Sorry for the broken link @ 22. Try http://tinyurl.com/y8gtk6 instead.
scarecrow @ 30
I wasn’t discussing motivation, just method.
campaign finance reform
Jinny from the last thread posted a link to a Texas Monthly article about Gates:
http://www.texasmonthly.com/20.....ature.php#
The article is a couple of weeks old, kind of as if maybe someone knew something, Jinny was thinking. Well, check out this intro:
Jinny, if you’re still around, was this the intro to the print version also, or might there have been a last-minute rewrite, say, today?
Marion in Savannah - No offense, but I am, by definition, the “EPU” winner of all time - just sayin.
And, someone usually does post a threads-up that there is a new post. Not me, but others.
Feel free.
Lou Dobbs already called for a dignified concession from George Allen, and RedState.com, the conservative blog, is now calling on Allen not to request a recount.
Dignified? George Allen? But…he was gonna be the next preznit….it just ain’t fair, dammit!
Cujo359 — sorry, you looked away just as I was winking. I understood (and agreed with) what you meant.
Marion in Savannah @ 31
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....t-for-you/
Evil Parallel Universe @ 37
there you go again, wordsmithing :~)
I think all of the progressive blogs such Firedoglake, Hufpo, C & L, et. al. deserve a big thanks for helping the democrats take back both houses. AND espcially for not allowing the right wing nuts get away with their usual games of deception. Thanks.
KO says AP calls it for Webb!
KO
AP has finally called VA for Webb. About time!
AP calls it for Webb.
Olbermann reports AP has said Webb has won, game over
KO says AP says Webb!
Speaker Pelosi!
Speaker Pelosi!!
Speaker Pelosiiiiiiii!!!!!!!
I was thinking about an interview I heard with Charlie Rangel recently, and his saying he would leave his job after, what, 30 years, if the dems didn’t take congress this time around.
He said he couldn’t take it anymore.
Just thinking how happy Charlie was last night!
Yeah - from my understanding, the government gets their election info from the AP, so I guess it’s official for Webb - thanks Keith.
WEBB!!!!
prostratedragon @ 36
howdy all! just home from work - whadda day! someone break out the cervical collars - positively neck-snappin’ was the speed of Dumsfeld being canned… this has got to be the Baker/Cheney split… where’s my popcorn?
why do I get the feeling that shrubya lost a bet? and he had to can Dumsfeld to pay up?
Cozumel at 19:
But . . . Rove is a genius. I know it’s not polite to gloat, but that statement is very gloatable.
Can anyone find the AP story online?
KO, Pelosi, “It all begins to blend togther into a hippie rainbow. Next Kumbaya will be the National Anthem”!
Special pat on the back for egregious! Webb!
On Newshour MADAME SPEAKER mentioned how much she respected the office of the President but that sometimes she questioned his judgment citing Katrina, Iraq, etc. In the background there was an audible noise which I interpreted as yes, but a friend with TIVO said she heard correct. It was perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AP announces it here in a banner:
http://news.yahoo.com/
I can’t keep with all the heavy-posting today so don’t know what the analysis is on Rumsfeld’s departure. I keep thinking “WHY NOW?” I truly believe that if W had shown the capability to change before the election he would have won back some of those who strayed with very real tangible results for the GOP yesterday. All I can think is that Rove truly believed he could still win with his base and that meant keeping Rummy. Now that they realized they can’t win just getting out the vote from their base they went with their back-up plan already in place if they got beat, ala Daddy’s Fixer-Upper, Gates. So how will Shrub, with that massive Daddy chip on his shoulder, handle THAT? It’s gonna get interesting…
egregious @ 48
:triumphant howl:
Breaking: Lieberman declared the whiner in CT
I’m gonna miss Macacallen throwing all them footballs.
HuffPo:
The most important thing we can do is insist on Henry Waxman as chair of the government reform committee. Give that man a stack of subpoenas, and sell your Halliburton stock.
When Clinton got elected, I figured the first item on the agenda would be to investigate the heck out of the Bush 1 and Reagan administrations. They were already one of the most corrupt pair of administrations we ever had, and if we had called out the truth on them, we might have crushed them into dust.
Let’s not let the Democratic Party make that mistake again.
today was the first day in 5 years I wasn’t worried that I would just start screaming uncontrollably at some new outrage that finally drove me over the edge…
WHEW!
1,326 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and Firepup Patriots:
Instead of gettin’ in a shoe-pissin’ contest with wingnut bloggers, let ‘em cast their spew out there for the gullible and the cerebrally challenged ta soak up. It’s the voices with an audience like the corporate shills that need to be re-educated and corrected when, like Tweety, they credit Schumer for candidates like Tester and Webb.
Let the great unwashed wingnut groupies wallow in misunderstanding and misunderestimation…it’s the progressive leadership and the elected class that need ta know what’s what, and they do.
On to the next battle…it’s already started, for control of the leadership and the strategic agenda. We need ta get Nancy P’s back…there are some pretty nasty folks waitin’ for her in the alley out behind the House Office Building and that includes good ol’ boy Jack Murtha…Christy sent Rahm a clear message today, we jest gotta see that he and the rest of the DLC con men get it.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE NEXT FIGHT IS GUNNA BE EVEN MORE FUN!!
twolf1 @
21
No. It’s not a flip-flop. Rush has
seen the light. He’s been lied to, been lying to, has no idea what he’s been saying,… Oh, hell. He’sum, been on drugs for years…twolf1 at 40
That was moderately funny.
;)
Jim Baker is a long time Bush family Texas wheeler-dealer. I trust this man even less than Lieberman.
YAHOOOOOO AP announces it here in a banner:
http://news.yahoo.com/
Pelosi is going to play “balls to the wall”.
scarecrow @ 5:29 pm (#39)
OK, well my reply works either way, I think. At some point, I think it would be fun to compare the record of netroots vs. D?CC candidates to see how much money was used by each, how successful they were, etc. I don’t know who could do such a thing. It would probably take a good economist, which I am not.
All I know is that we’ve both had successes and failures, and if one looked into the causes the losses might have been beyond the control of either. I agree that Christine Cegelis probably would have done better with less money than Tammy Duckworth (someone made that point either here or in the previous thread), but that’s more of a feeling than an analysis. When you come right down to it, Duckworth lost and it cost $3 million, and that’s all we know.
Anyway, I’m just trying to point out that we all need to be careful about drawing too many conclusions from too few data points. That’s an obvious point, but we seem to forget it, anyway.
Well, gotta go for now.
Took cnn all of one day to pull out the pending gridlock meme.
Sayonara 06 comin up on KO!
Has anyone commented yet on the contrast between Dems ‘94 and GrOPers ‘06?
Dems ‘94 reacted to their loss by moving to the right (thanks a lot, Bill);
Rethug interpration of the Drubbing of ‘06 is that they lost because they weren’t conservative enough.
As much as we rue Clinton’s selling the Democrats out, it was a successful political strategy for him.
Rather than acknowledging the watershed re-emergence of the progressive movement in America, the clownservatives see it as a signal that they need to retrench and get back to their “core principles.”
They don’t realize that the American people have repudiated conservatism. I agree with tuneforg @30 that we should enncourage this delusion on their part!
Large brain Rove. Right.
Senator Macaca goes down!
On Countdown just now…, “AP reporting Webb wins senate seat in Virginia”
moeman @ 63
Or launching all them spitballs, or sumthin’. :)
A.P. just called VA for Webb
Party’s on, kids!
KO NOW SAYS NBC CALLS WEBB!!!!
NBC declares too.
NBNC News too…
Webb wins!
KO - Allen concession as early as tomorrow eve
Punaise - I never said I didn’t think it was easy. ;-0
Keith quotes an Allen advisor saying he would be disinclined to request a recount if the margin stays at the existing 7,000.
Keith says a concession speech could come as early as tomorrow.
WEBB!!!!!!!
We still have what, 11 House seats undeclared? Any been finalized?
twolf1 @ 85
Did KO also say, “as dumb as he is, it will take him that long to write it.” ???
Progressive is just another word for common sense.
sticky @ 5:42 pm (#81)
Yeah. Now we get to find out what Lieberman’s price is for caucusing with the Democrats. I sure hope ole’ Give ‘Em Hell has stopped by the cash machine on his way to the meeting.
If VA has a recount, it will be a mere formality. This is in the bag for Webb — the vote-spread is too great. Allen should just concede to avoid looking like more of a horse’s ass than he already does.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 86
d’oh!
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid…
Don’t make us sorry that is your title. We have long memories, we raise money and volunteers, and we vote.
who
fucking
cares
what
a
wingnut
thinks
or
says
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
not me
.
Bowers’ focus on Cegelis was clearly correct. I’m ecstatic Sherrod Brown’s candidacy didn’t succumb in a similar context to Hackett.
Hot Damn, We have just saved the SCOTUS!
Watch Macacwitz start flinging his feces as Webb is declared the winner.
Cujo359 @ 91
If Harry Reid is smart, he’ll give Lieberman just enough to keep him occupied and satisfied, and not an inch more. Lieberman starts threatening him in order to gain more power, Harry should say, “Vegas was built by the mob, and I’ll pay for the contract on you if you so much as think about crossing the aisle.”
Hugh @
5
Actually, Wesley Clark said on Air America’s Rachel Madow show this afternoon that he had heard th were interviewing people for Rumsfeld’s position several weeks ago.
Also, as I posted on the last thread:
Robert Gates
Seems to me to be rather interesting that Texas Monthly’s November issue features Gates on the cover and a lenthly article inside.
Obviously it is not coincidental that Robert Gates’ name come up today as a replacement for Rumsfeld. Do you suppose that prior to the election W was given an either/or order by Daddy Bush and James Baker?
http://www.texasmonthly.com/2006-11-01/f eature.php
Thank you, Jane…
I keep jumping in on threads after last call, but I just wanted to thank you and Christy and all the FDLers for your tireless work, courage and tenacity… all served up with generous doses of humor and Robin Trower references…
You should be proud… I certainly am…
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi
good entitlement programs
NBC declares Webb victor.
Did I hear that right, I thought he said NBC.
The ‘people’ have very long memories. And they forgive reluctantly.
yup
egregious @ 104
Jim Webb declared BY NBC in Virginia. He said it again.
WEBB!!! WEBB!!! WEBB!!!
montag @ 99
I Like It.
punaise @ 93
It’s not that I never said I didn’t think it wasn’t easy.
Webb thank yous - dana and angie and too long a list.
from the Dept. of Boo-Frickin’-Hoo:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love how this broke in prime time, making sure to break the hearts of the maximum number of conservatives all at once!
Both houses of Congress belong to us. The work begins.
egregious @ 111
Yes I will quote this Comment!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All your houses are belong to us!
“quite minute” Murdoch about our losses in Iraq.
HEY BLUEAMERICA… Have I told you lately that I love you?
:)
Now if losing all that hard-earned dosh wasted supporting Repuglican losers wasn’t bad enough for them…
How do you think Madame President Pelosi will sound ringing in their ears?
Keith names Murdoch worst person in the world.
It’s not that I never said I didn’t think it wasn’t easy.
I know that you know that I know thay you know that.
AP quotes a source inside the Allen campaign as saying that his Macacaness is planning to concede tomorrow night.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s.....TE=DEFAULT
“An adviser to Allen, speaking on condition of anonymity because his boss had not formally decided to end the campaign, said the senator wanted to wait until most of canvassing was completed before announcing his decision, possibly as early as Thursday evening.
The adviser said that Allen was disinclined to request a recount if the final vote spread was similar to that of election night.”
punaise @ 110
Looking for an explanation? Wake up and smell the coffee, guys. Most Americans hate your radicalism. You’ve been listening to yourselves for way, way too long.
RevDeb — uh, remind me which seminary you attended? Sicily?
NOW I do my happy dance!
*does happy dance*