"The right to privacy should not be the right to hypocrisy. These people who want to demonize other people shouldn't be able to go home, close the door, and do it themselves." (Barney Frank on the practice of outing gay Republicans, hat-tip to my secret lovaaaah, Jesus' General)
I remember when I first stumbled into blogging back in 2003, one of the most contentious topics a blogger could raise was gay marriage. To put up a post about it was to instigate a long and seething thread where people would trot out their ugliest and most disturbing prejudices. At the time, I really sort of wished we'd never brought it up, because it made me realize just how disgustingly obtuse and willfully ignorant people could be. Every time a news story about gay marriage came on the radio or TV, I had to leave the room, because I knew that at any moment, some frothing bigot was going to be on to spout a shit-stream of, like, caveman rhetoric.
It's different now. Even in the last three years, we've seen a fundamental shift in the public's perception of the issue. Maybe once the issue got some coverage, people started to see the difference in the men and women arguing for equal rights for gays and the people arguing against it. Sometimes I believe that the television has caused a deep and fundamental erosion of people's ability to know when they are being lied to, but perhaps I am lamenting the death of that cognitive ability prematurely. The Great Reich Wing Stink Machine may finally have thrown a rod or maybe, just maybe, people have decided that since the Republicans have lied about everything else, they must be lying about the threat gay people pose to the fabric of civilization.
(But you know, if I ever want to shoot down a concept permanently, to make absolutely certain that the public will roundly reject it, I will ask an oily reptile like Bill Frist to stump for it. The man could put you off sex and donuts forever just by advocating them. He has a kind of anti-charisma. Whatever quality it is that makes Dr. Frist so irresistable to congregations of Rapture-baiters is the very quality that makes him so deeply repellent to the average citizen.)
On this Bill Maher panel, in under three minutes, Barney Frank manages to completely bitch-slap GOP sock-puppet Stephen Moore and on the way by, fires a well-aimed scud-missile at the bullshit hypocrisy and self-delusion practiced by any gay person who works for the Reich Wing.
"There are fifteen year olds in this country today in high school whose lives are being made miserable because they're gay and lesbian. And people who are themselves gay adults and are enjoying positions of power in Washington who advance that kind of abusive society, no, it has nothing to do with their economics, I find that contemptible."
AMEN, Brother Frank, AMEN!!
And that's the truth of it. Gay Republicans are as bad as Nazi collaborators. They are working with the people who would outlaw and exterminate their own kind. And to any moral person, that would be an untenable position. They are not entitled to privacy. It's open season. I am going to be front and center enjoying every bit of the excruciating personal agony and political destruction that is going to rain down like fire from heaven on outed Republicans. The only reason that Mark Foley's sexual orientation is germane to discussion of his being a sexual predator is because secrecy and repression lead to perversion and abuse like rain and sunshine lead to grass growing and flowers blooming. The kind of world the Republicans want where no one talks about what's really going on is a playground for predators. The more closets there are in the world, the more damage will be done to young people and gay people of all ages. Period.
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Sorry this is so late, everybody. Busy day.
Amen! (I waited up for you, TRex.)
Rootz, Fitz, TRex, Jane, Redhedd and every other affirmation we can muster. I watched this Friday night and thought would that every other Democrat could speak this clearly and forcefully. We’re all entitled to freedom and privacy..but not hypocrisy. That’s what I love about this site and its posters. We call these a**holes out!
TRex- I actually thought you were holding off posting because of the heated/ engaged discussion going on downstairs!!!
Valley Girl @ 4
Huh? Oh, god, I refuse to look. They bring some shit up here, I’m going to bust some heads.
VG! You’ve been very busy downstairs today. Good sleuthing going on there!
That would be Congressman Barney Frank — he won’t be Senator until John Kerry declines to seek reelection to his seat, to concentrate on running full time for the 2004 Democratic Presidential nomination.
TRex @ 5
Maybe Joe’s been using petty cash to finance some wedding trips over to Mass . . .
{ducking}
-ck- @
7
Dammit. I fixed that in one of my drafts, but then wordpress ate the post, so I had to revert to a saved version. Thanks for spotting that before too many people saw what an idiot I am.
Re: Helpless Dancer @ 39 in the previous thread (“Where’s The Journal, Joe?”)
I believe that Nancy Pelosi is totally off base in ruling out impeachment at this point that it makes her unqualified to be Speaker. By taking it “off the table” she is taking a leaf out of George W. Bush’s book by in essence asserting that she can decide which of her Constitutional responsibilities she will and will not perform.
If the Democrats take control of the House, it is very possible, likely even, that the oversight investigations that will be enabled by Democratic subpoena power will expose administration malfeasance well in excess of what led to Nixon’s resignation 32 years ago. It is also more than possible that the administration will trigger a Constitutional crisis sooner rather than later by totally stonewalling such investigations by asserting their virtually unlimited concept of Executive Branch power. Finally, it is virtually certain that Cheney is deeply complicit in whatever actions Bush has undertaken that are found to rise to the level of the impeachable. This means that an impeachment action would have to take on the two of them (this will raise troubling timing issues that are beyond my scope here), leaving the Democratic Speaker next in line to succeed to the Presidency.
The upshot of all this is that it is very possible the Democrat-controlled House, with Pelosi as Speaker, will be faced with a Hobson’s choice of either putting her in a position of having to go back on her “off the table” promise, or letting the administration off the hook for patently obvious “high crimes and misdemeanors.” The latter case would set an ominous precedent, whereas the former would set off a political firestorm with screams of “Usurper” ringing through the halls of the Capitol and in the streets around the nation. This latter scenario would be bad enough even without an “off the table” promise, but going back on that promise would be gasoline on the fire. And I haven’t even begun to speculate on how much messier things might get if Bush and Cheney, finding their backs to the wall, try to tear up more pages of the Constitution or attempt to distract us with foreign adventures with even less risk analysis that was done on Iraq.
I believe that the next two years are going to prove to be among the most pivotal in American history. If the Republicans retain control of both Houses, it will very likely put our country into an irrecoverable downward slide. Urgent threats will remain un-addressed, the trash-talking foreign policy will alienate even more people throughout the rest of the world (if that’s possible), corruption will remain rampant, and the fiscal health of the country will continue to decline. Within a decade or two the United States will be about as influential in the world as Britain and France, individually, are now. On the other hand, if the Democrats win the House I believe that the resulting investigations, together with the administration’s response to them, will trigger a Constitutional crisis that will create more conflict within the nation than we have seen at any time since the Civil War.
As I said at the outset, I believe Nancy Pelosi has no right to “take impeachment off the table”. Neither she nor any other member of the House has the right to walk away from the Constitutional responsibility to impeach in the event “high crimes and misdemeanors” are discovered. And as I also said, these next two years are going to be a wild ride on a rocky road. Because of this responsible people who care about the future we’ll be leaving for our children and grandchildren must start thinking about how to preserve, and hopefully enhance what’s left of the cohesiveness of our body politic. To this end, I’m going to put out there several suggestions that will probably result in some brickbats in return from the FDL community; these are based on the assumption that the Dems will win the House and that Nancy Pelosi will be elected Speaker. Here goes.
1. When Reps. Waxman, Conyers, Frank, Rangel and Obey begin their investigations, as Jane described in her post earlier today, the Speaker and the rest of the leadership must see to it that the probes are conducted as fairly as possible, with as little political grandstanding as possible.
2. The Democratic majority must do all in its power to assure that diminishing handful of centrist and classical conservative members of the Republican caucus (i.e. the ones who still believe in such quaint notions as minimal government intrusion into one’s personal life and financial affairs; fiscal responsibility; the separation of governmental powers; no searching or wiretapping without a warrant; habeus corpus; etc., as opposed to the Constitution-trashing wingnut majority) perceive that the investigations are fair and fact-based.
3. If (or more likely when) it appears that either the findings or the administration stonewalling of Congressional prerogatives rise to the level of the impeachable, the House Democratic leadership should initiate negotiations with members of the centrist/classical conservative rump of the Republican minority to reorganize the House for the duration of the impeachment process along the following lines:
A member of the Republican rump, acceptable to the Democrats, would become Speaker.
If the new Speaker succeeded to the Presidency, he or she would agree not to run for President in 2008.
Upon his or her succession to the Presidency, all other terms of the agreement between the Democrats and the centrist/classical conservative rump will become null and void unless there is explicit agreement to the contrary.
OK, calm down everyone. (Jane and Christy, please don’t block my IP address.) Give me a chance to explain the three major reasons I propose these. The first is the need to minimize the divisiveness that these likely events of the next two years will inevitably induce. I spend a fair amount of time reading opinion across political spectrum, and it obvious that there are a lot classical conservatives who are deeply upset about the direction the Bush-Cheney administration is taking the nation and the Republican party. The Democrats need to gain the support of these people in order to enhance the legitimacy of the process. Up to now the administration’s blend of carrots, sticks, compromising photos and horses heads on pillows has kept the heads down of the Congressional members with these sympathies, but there has to be a few dozen there.
Secondly, even if the Senate goes Democratic it will be by a razor thin margin. But if bills of impeachment are brought, the Senate will sit in judgment and a two-thirds vote is necessary to convict. There is no chance that this super-majority can be achieved unless the impeachment bills have been passed with substantial bi-partisan support in the House.
Finally, the inflammatory potential of both the President and Vice President being removed and replaced by a Speaker of the House of the opposite major party cannot be underestimated. If the Speaker standing next in line to become President is of the same party as the soon to be ex President and Vice President, it will go a long way to defuse the potential for the politics of these next two years to be taken into the streets. If this situation has come about because of Nancy Pelosi’s statesperson-like action of relinquishing the Speakership temporarily, it will give political cover for those of the Republican Senators who have passed much of the kool-aide out of their bladders to evaluate the impeachment bills on their facts and merits, and thus be more likely to bring the Bush-Cheney national nightmare to a early close.
Bed time. Good night.
I’m still trying to figure out if the bit about Kerry running in 2004 was a typo, or just a nice bit of snark about Kerry finally taking his 2004 run seriously. Like caring that the votes were counted.
Had a bit of fun at Ken Blackwell’s expense here.
(Yeah, I posted the link already, but how was I to know the changing of the thread was coming so soon?)
OT, but I had to share –
Ms. Redshift tentatively asked her father, retired Marine and lifelong Republican, what he thought about the VA senate race. He crossed over to vote for Webb in the primary, and we thought he might not vote for senate in the general election, but didn’t dare to hope for more than that. The punchline of his response: “Anyone who makes fun of someone for the color of his skin deserves to get his ass kicked!”
This is gonna be fun!
Thanks for the post. I don’t buy the whole Log Cabin “work from the inside” line of crap.
That’s what ulcers do.
Here’s my little offering to Gay Republicans:
Who Will Cry For Mary Cheney?
I hope a lot of Virginian Republicans think like Ms. Redshift’s father, at least enough of them to turn the tide for Webb.
TRex @ 9
Don’t worry, we always close our eyes when we read your posts. LOL!
Harvey Milk’s refrain: You gotta give ‘em hope.
He meant hope for all, but especially for the young gays and lesbians too scared to come out in small town, red state places. Just knowing that places exist where gays CAN come out, living out loud and proud, gives a sense of hope and possibility to those feeling trapped in a closet.
You gotta give ‘em hope.
I remember when I first started blogging, back in the dark ages (Nov. 2004) and a lot of folks on Kos were always telling gays and women to suck it up for the good of the party, as if we owed some kind of loyalty to those who wanted to sell us down the river and make us second class citizens.
You hear a lot less of that these days. I guess the politics of appeasement really didn’t take the day, did it?
You hear a lot less of that these days. I guess the politics of appeasement really didn’t take the day, did it?
ATTACK!!
ATTACK!!
ATTAAAAAAAAAAACK!!
Minnesotachuck @
10
much food for thought there, Chuck
good night and a heavy breakfast of your proposals…
Jane Hamsher @ 17
It’s just a short ride down that river, dontcha know . . .
Beautifully said, Mr. TRex.
RBG @ 21
Mon plaisir, monsier.
Minnesotachuck @ 10
The wingers would shriek like one of the Bane Sidhe, but that is only to be expected. A lot of the fallout could be averted if she did not run for reelection in 08. Enough of that though, I don’t want TRex to start busting heads so early in the thread.
Good lord, I’m tired. That drive from Columbus to Athens is this looooooong stretch of boredom followed by the white-knuckled terror of driving through Atlanta. Even in the middle of the night, driving in Atlanta is like roller skating in a stampede of buffalo.
sgary @
13
LOL
Oh my gosh, you almost had me choking on a half of an Oreo. Warn a person next time, please!;)
Speaking of gay Republicans…
You’re so big, TRex, you could just step on and over the bufffalo to Athens. Why drive?
Trex - glad you made it home safe! Atlanta traffic always terrified me … and I was in a cab!
and lovely tribute to Barney Frank - such clear spoken smarts.
Readi stuff all over the internet about how miserable GW Clusterfuck’s life will be if dems take over one or both houses of congress- gives me the jollies to even consider the possibilitis.
Will the little bastard cry at night? Will he wail at the moon? Will he suffer from heartburn and other malicious infirmties of the flesh? Will he lose his appetite and spend his evenings in sleepless agony about his errors of judgement and errors of moral sense- Shit I HOPE so- he really deserves to be the World’s most miserable human being for 20 years or so.
Miserable prick!
and lovely tribute to Barney Frank - such clear spoken smarts.
God, seriously. Is he, like, the only Democrat who missed his castration appointment? Why can’t they all be this tough and smart?
Takes a lot of balls to be a fairy in this world. Barney Frank’s must be made of solid steel.
Will the little bastard cry at night? Will he wail at the moon? Will he suffer from heartburn and other malicious infirmties of the flesh? Will he lose his appetite and spend his evenings in sleepless agony about his errors of judgement and errors of moral sense- Shit I HOPE so- he really deserves to be the World’s most miserable human being for 20 years or so.
Miserable prick!
He’ll be clearing brush at his heavily fortified compound in Paraguay, guarded by Blackwater contractors and pampered like an emperor to the end of his days.
But at least he won’t be here.
Hey Clusterfuck- did ya know that if ya cough to hard when yer scared shitless- yer dick will fall off? Just thought you’d like ta know.
He has a dick?
Shhh! I’m hunting wapublicans.
Jane Wyatt, who reigned as America’s ideal suburban mom during the 1950’s when she starred with Robert Young in the television sitcom “Father Knows Best” and who nearly lured Ronald Colman away from diplomacy and into a lamasery in Frank Capra’s 1937 film “Lost Horizon,” died on Friday at her home in Bel Air, Calif. She was 95.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10.....r=homepage
Anyone read Dante recently? Got a good eternal punishment for GW Clusterfuck?
Do you ever get to drive on snow in Atlanta? I’m from
Idaho and learn to manage — which leads me to my
next question– how do we get our senator to accept
what is real? The boiler-plate around this guy is un-
believable.
The only thing I know for sure is that I don’t want to see GW Clusterfuck die early. That’s the easy way out- better to watch various parts of his body rot off one at a time and for him to end his days wriggling like a worm from place to place- stark buck ass naked and stupid as a jay bird.
TRex @ 29
Barney’s always been that way. He took a ration of shit from the press and the GOP when he came out in the `80s and just kept right on going. In fact, I think the GOP tries hard to accentuate his sexual preferences because they can’t refute his logic on legislation. He’s as hardnosed as they come on the issues. And the GOP hates that. He’s got skin like, well, a TRex. :)
The main thing about Barney is that he’s twice as smart as anyone else in Washington. He’s got lots of free time waitin for everyone else to catch up with him.
rwcole @
35
I’m thinking less Dante more Heironymous Bosch.
rwcole @ 35
Actually, yes, I do. Trapped in a small room, with eternal Asian flu (stuff coming out of both ends) while a small Pakistani man burns soybean oil in a skillet on a hot plate, humming Christmas songs while loudspeakers play endless Barry Manilow. Bush is told he can leave when he can perfectly recite Joyce’s Finnegan’s Wake backwards. He’s the lit’ry type, after all.
rwcole @ 39
I’d hit it. Just on principle.
OT - TRex, before I forget: should you ever feel compelled to write about Atlas Jugs again - and I hope that’s an unlikely event, for your sake - I proffer a back-up monicker: ImbeSilcone
TRex @ 30
Junya and crew might be forgetting that their “Get Out of Jail Free” cards for torture are only valid in the good ol’ USA.
Not so good elsewhere even if Junya does hablas a little espanol.
And “rendition” is a 2-way street!
TRex @ 40
How about wearing knickers and being at his mother’s beck and call.
And “rendition” is a 2-way street!
I say we let them go to Paraguay, make a lot of noise, and act all outraged, and then quietly drop a tactical nuke on their compound in the middle of the night.
Amen, Brother Frank, indeed. A post well worth waiting for, TRex. Bless Barney’s heart for eschewing the obfuscation and boiling the true issue down to a couple of paragraphs anyone can understand.
sgary, speaking of those puzzling Log Cabin Republicans…run, don’t walk, to locate David Rakoff’s new essay collection Don’t Get Too Comfortable. His piece about the Log Cabin crew, complete with interviews, is an absolute classic of humor writing, IMHO. The title ain’t bad, either: “Beat Me, Daddy…”
Maybe chewin his momma’s knickers for a couple of thousand years.
Anyone who hates themselves enough to be a gay Republican, should consider also becoming a Jewish Nazi. I’m just saying…
TRex! Barney Frank!
When I think of of all the good people I’ve known over my life who struggled because they knew they were gay, but their life, family and society didn’t want to talk about, the people who took to drugs, or drinks, or other forms of self-destruction…
Right now, one of my best friends has an extra teenager in her house. One of her daughters is a member of the gay/straight alliance in school. Last week, one of her friends came up and asked if she could come and stay for a few days. She came out - she’s 17, 18 in January - to her family - it was very messy.
And they threw her out of the house. My friend called this girl’s parents, to let them know their daughter was safe. Her father hung up the phone.
My friend and her daughters will take care of this young, even if it means she stays with them until graduation next spring.
But there’s so many other kids out there, who will fall into deep pain and sorrow, who won’t ‘make it to the other side of adolescence’ because of the hate that is spewed against them.
I can’t stay to chat tonight, it’s been a long day. My laptop needs a new power adapter, so I’m using my honey’s Winmachine (shudder). I just got a call a couple of hours ago that an old friend of my wildly misspent youth died. We’d had a falling out a few years ago, and never patched it up. I’m going now to light and candle for his spirit, and have a good cry while I play his favorite Pink Floyd album. There will be one more name to call and bless on Samhaim, a rum & coke on the altar, and more tears to flow.
Peace to all, love to all,
rwcole @ 37
I think he’s got the “stupid as a jaybird” part down all ready.
Barney Frank for President
How about wearing knickers and being at his mother’s beck and call.
How about being smeared with shit and led around on a leash by Lynndie England?
rwcole @ 48
Ewww, pass the brain bleach please
Them’re some big fuckin knickers!
rwcole @
28
Well, we can live in hope that he’ll hold true to his past and, when things get really tough, just walk away.
LindyH @ 55
On fire.
LindyH @ 55
Or revert to previous form. I would delight in his doing lines on the podium during press conferences… or showing up drunk for the 2008 State of the Union address….
Oops, did I say that out loud?
Minnesotachuck @
10
fascinating analysis and hypothesis. not to put too fine a point on it, but perhaps she means it’s off the table based on what we know now. still, no question it would cause a firestorm. much to ponder.
LOL … I do love late nite!
TRex @ 58
Siun @ 60
so does the NSA…
punaise @ 59
I think the Dems just need to start poking into all the shit that’s been going on for the last six years, and have 10% of it reported in the news. After all, if there’s a public outcry for Bush’s and Cheney’s asses, the Dems would be remiss in their duties not to oblige. :)
The truth shall set you free - which is what the Publicans are so scared of. The truth. About anything.
They can’t handle the truth.
punaise @ 61
In that case. NSA: Not So Alert. Remember 9/11, guys?
Here’s where you can git yerself one of them dandy blue chambray work shirts that the Preznit is always wearin’ when he is chainsawing that pesky brush down on the ranch in Texas-
http://www.llbean.com/webapp/w.....mp;feat=sr
I can kinda see GW Clusterfuck losin his last little link to reality- and spendin his last two years walkin from one speakin engagement to another with a giat pantload- which would be the perfect harmony and counterpoint to his “message”
It’s the only way to be sure.
“why does he walk that way daddy”?
“You would too if yer pants wer full a shit”
on the Nancy Pelosi thing - the piece was very well done and definitely a plus in light of all the “be afraid of Speaker Pelosi” nonsense the repubs are tossing around … 60 Minutes has been planning this piece for a long time since they spoke with me about filming for it during YKOS and then Pelosi cancelled …
but the idea of taking impeachment off the table is so wrong … just stand for the constitution and the rule of law … it’s so simple and right …then let the chips fall where they may
It’s the only way to be sure.
For every roach you see, there are hundreds more out of sight.
montag @ 62
To get a public outcry requires the cooperation of the MSM and I have my doubts considering thier track record. Although they are starting to show signs of seeing which way the parade is going and running to get out in front.
TRex @
52
You know, the Italians did a pretty good job of dealing with their infestation of fascism…
Crew on airforce one:
Get that smelly little bastard off the fuckin plane!
SusanD @ 67
But, but, but, what would the Company say?
elrod @ 65
I always thought “cutting brush” was metaphor for clearing the way for the PNAC. You know damned well that man is too lazy to do the work it takes to clear land. Photo ops is what he excels at.
CLOSETSPhoto ops is what he excels at.
It may be the only thing he excels at.
“Cuttin brush” is Clusterfuck for cuttin a deadly fart.. makes him laugh his fuckin ass off.
montag @ 62
or 110%, even :-P
TeddySanFran @ 76
Sunshine.
Fresh air.
montag @ 62
Montag: I think you’re right. The Democrats currently in the House and Senate are saying that they have to hold hearings to find out what’s what and they’ll see where it leads. The people responsible will be held accountable, but they are not willing to put the “I’ word out there now.
My take on what Pelosi was saying was that she, not the Republican party, will determine what gets talked about, if the Dem’s retake.
She sets the agenda. George and Karl-boy do not.
Why impeach Clusterfuck- treat him like a toy. Call him down to give testimony every week and laugh at his stupidity.
That whole “clearing brush” thing is laughable. What’s he clearing land for? He’s scared of horses and cows, I can’t imagine him planting a crop. So what’s the point? A whole lot of useless activity with loud manly power tools. I can only assume he imagines it convinces people that he has a penis.
punaise @ 59
I was thinking much the same thing. One possibility would be a repeat of the Spiro Agnew experience (I have all their records). Cheney resigns for “health reasons,” is replaced by someone blandly acceptable from the remaining Republicans in Congress. Junya’s then fair game.
More likely still is the Iran/Contra solution. Somebody from the Bush I era comes in as Chief of Staff/Regent and keeps GW from getting us all killed. Investigations pin blame for various malfeasance high - but not too high - up.
rwcole @ 83
Woo Hoo!
Treat Clusterfuck as the village idiot- arrange for small children to throw rotten vegetables at his as he winds his way through the last two years of his term.
Just imagine what a nightmare Bush will be to live with after the election. Any guesses as to how long before Laura moves out?
rwcole @ 86
W in stocks (no bonds) on the public square
I think the challenge for the Democrats will be to hold the Bushniks accountable for their crimes while simultaneously moving ahead with their own positive agenda, so as not to be vulnerable to accusations of ‘gotcha’ politics. Whack those fuckers for everything they have done over the past 6 years, but raise the minimum wage and pass health care legislation at the same time.
jinny @ 87
…
and Condi to move inLove ta see GW runnin naked for a couple of miles of closely coordinated bb gun fire-
This is from Red Ryder you sorry ass son of a bitch!!!!!
jinny @ 87
Nothing like an extended goodwill tour of eastern Outer Mongolia to cement good relations with the U.S.
punaise @ 91
Silly punaise! Everyone knows that Condi likes girls.
I can only assume he imagines it convinces people that he has a penis.
If Bush has a penis, he stole it from someone else.
I don’t really have any interest in impeachment per se — it would be political theater to symbolically remove a man who will be gone from office shortly anyway. I’d rather focus the nation’s gaze on rooting out the kleptocrats and the systems (K street/lobbyists/ campaign finance laws) that keep these nightmares happening over and over again. The nation only has a limited attention span, and if war profiteering (and other) hearings could begin to inform people in really human terms about WTF is so corrupt that we keep being led around by the Cheneys and the Rumsfelds who simply will not get off the national stage and keep coming back like zombies who just will not die I would rather see that.
I fear that impeachment hearings would simply lay the blame at Bush’s feet, and there are many who need to go down once and for all. But it looks like a sissy move to let the Republicans bully you into taking impeachment off the table.
Sorry, the optics are just weak. If things come to light that are so horrific (and the chances are good) that the public demands it, I don’t think it’s Pelosi’s business to stand as a barricade and protect GWB.
punaise @
91
Thought she already had - she’s always with them at Camp David and that place in Tx.
smiley @ 93
yeah, I heard. maybe she’d make an exception for
her husb… the preznit.Impeachment’s too good for the sorry ass bastard–