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By: Jane Hamsher Thursday October 19, 2006 4:01 pm

(dab adds in the comments: live feed to the debate now)

At first glance they were the odd couple. Ned, the successful businessman and pragmatic progressive who had united grassroots constituents behind him with the help of innovative technology and online media. Alan, the blue collar guy who didn't like illegal immigrants much but sure enjoyed blackjack and the broads. What did they have in common?

Well for one thing, they had both won their parties' nominations for the Connecticut Senate race fair and square. And their respecive Senatorial Campaign Committees were much more interested in seeing the Lieberman4Lieberman candidate elected then they were in following their own organizational mandates and supporting the party candidate. But what finally united them was a desire to call Joe Lieberman on his ever-shifting political positions as he tried to run first as a Democrat, and then as a Republican. They came together to tell him to get out of their damn yards.

Tonight the debate is being broadcast on Channel 3 in Connecticut. Ned's campaign manager, Tom Swan, sent this letter today:

Four days. Two debates. One brand new race.

As Ned's message of change at home and abroad continues to resonate with the people of Connecticut, Joe Lieberman finds himself locked in a partisan Republican primary with Alan Schlesinger.

This after already losing the Democratic primary in August.

The candidates met yesterday for the second time in three days, but the debate won't air on television until tonight.

Click the link to view the video clips and pictures of Ned's victory before anyone else.

http://www.nedlamont.com/debate2preview

After we beat Joe Lieberman the first time, Dick Cheney and an army of well-connected Republican D.C. lobbyists decided to roll over for George Bush's favorite "independent."

After all, the president has no greater ally than Joe Lieberman in the effort to privatize social security and continue the war in Iraq.

Unfortunately for them, someone forgot to tell their party's nominee, Alan Schlesinger.

Get the behind-the-scenes look at Ned's best performance to date, before it hits television tonight at 7pm on WFSB-3 and on C-SPAN in the coming days.

It's less than three weeks until election day.

While Alan and Joe duke it out for the Republican vote, Ned's mainstream plan for change in Iraq, universal health care and energy independence is gaining momentum surpassing the frenzy that accompanied the primary campaign.

Can you pledge to volunteer some time down the stretch? We need you now.

http://www.nedlamont.com/page/s/emailsignup

Rock the boat,

Tom Swan
Campaign Manager, Ned Lamont for U.S. Senate

This is getting to be too much fun.

168 Responses to “Ned and Alan Go For the Gold”

Blank Kludge October 19th, 2006 at 4:05 pm

NED! JANE! and Alan…ALAN?..ALLLAAANNN!

AnnieOh October 19th, 2006 at 4:05 pm

Whaaa! I wanna see the debate! But I’m not in CT and I can’t find that the brodacast is on Live Feed like the first one. Anyone know when it will be on CSPAN?

dab from CT October 19th, 2006 at 4:06 pm

http://www.wfsb.com/index.html

Live feed to the debate

egregious October 19th, 2006 at 4:10 pm

Fitz! Rootz!

Christy’s birthday and smash success on c-span!

kristinejoy October 19th, 2006 at 4:10 pm

I watching the debate from CA. The internets sure are cool!

AnnieOh October 19th, 2006 at 4:11 pm

My hero!!! Thanks Dab from CT!!

TRex October 19th, 2006 at 4:11 pm

How have I ended up rooting for a Republican candidate for anything?!

Oh, well, go Alan!

egregious October 19th, 2006 at 4:11 pm

AnnieOh @ 2

Whaaa! I wanna see the debate! But I’m not in CT and I can’t find that the brodacast is on Live Feed like the first one. Anyone know when it will be on CSPAN?

8pm EST c-span one, at least in DC.

dab from CT October 19th, 2006 at 4:12 pm

Alan is a hoot. I am all for the Ned & Alan show. They should take it on the road and have debates once a week for the next three weeks.

kristinejoy October 19th, 2006 at 4:12 pm

Yeah! TRex in da house!

egregious October 19th, 2006 at 4:12 pm

TRex @ 7

How have I ended up rooting for a Republican candidate for anything?!

Oh, well, go Alan!

Life is full of strange contradictions. Necessary to keep a sense of humor. Feminist home raising 3 childen–brain exploding–yet it was the best decision I ever made.

Jane Hamsher October 19th, 2006 at 4:15 pm

I love that Lieberman says he doesn’t want to leave Iraq but he wants permanent military bases. So we can what, refurbish them as nice hotels?

Jane Hamsher October 19th, 2006 at 4:16 pm

Alan got a good one off — he says I know what I”m running for — Lieberman doesn’t seem to know that the role of a Senator is advise and consent, he thinks he’s part of the executive branch.

So true.

ab initio October 19th, 2006 at 4:17 pm

Anyone know what the state of play is in terms of the ground game of each of the candidates?

Loserman seems to blanketing with TV ads and getting the faux media fawning.

Alan has had some credible debate performances. Does he any cash to compete and get his message out? And are there signs that the Repubs will come back to their party’s nominee?

Is Ned gaining momentum after the post-primary lull? Does the GOTV effort have the same energy as during the primary? Is Ned competitve on the air? How are local TV media getting out the Ned candidacy?

Blank Kludge October 19th, 2006 at 4:17 pm

EPU’d - Jozo whining that Ned’s making a media buy and airing ads, but Ned says there’s no whining in politics:
http://www.boston.com/news/loc.....nate_seat/
—–
…”"If he thinks complaining about the fact that we’re talking about his record is negative, I’d say he’s wrong — you’ve got to stand up for your record,” Lamont said.”…
——-

Jacqrat October 19th, 2006 at 4:17 pm

listening to Lieberman, I wonder. Who is coming out with the first “Droopy Dawg” t-shirt?

WHINE? Oh, a tad…

Connecticut Bob October 19th, 2006 at 4:20 pm

I’m watching it right now. I really like the fast pace they came up with! I hope next Monday’s debate is just as much fun.

And (of course) I have to mention that my new video of the CT House Speaker (and my representative here in Milford) is now online. It’s a fun little outburst starring CT Keith (and I think you can glimpse Branford Boy lurking behind him), but I’m worried that I may have to leave town for a while.

Does anyone know the best way to go on the lam?

kristinejoy October 19th, 2006 at 4:22 pm

Blank Kludge @ 15

EPU’d - Jozo whining that Ned’s making a media buy and airing ads, but Ned says there’s no whining in politics:
http://www.boston.com/news/loc.....nate_seat/
—–
…”"If he thinks complaining about the fact that we’re talking about his record is negative, I’d say he’s wrong — you’ve got to stand up for your record,” Lamont said.”…
——-

“I’ve invested in it because I think we have a strong message,” he said.

Um, I think your wife invested in it. :)

dab from CT October 19th, 2006 at 4:23 pm

Al Initio @ 14

You asked: Is Ned gaining momentum after the post-primary lull? Does the GOTV effort have the same energy as during the primary? Is Ned competitve on the air? How are local TV media getting out the Ned candidacy?
————-

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

Things had begun to shift a week or so before the debates. This week all bets are off.

Schlesinger is bound to get at least 10% - some folks vote straight Republican and the popular governor is Republican.

Any Republican support going to Alan is support not going to Lieberliar.

The Lamont campaign has lots of ads on the air and are making large ad buys for the last few weeks. A huge grassroots effort has been ongoing. The mood here is the same as the primary.

Jane Hamsher October 19th, 2006 at 4:25 pm

“Sent America Free Act.” How many of your Republican friends did you get to join you on that, Joe?

It was all for show.

rwcole October 19th, 2006 at 4:26 pm

Jack Cafferty has a new show on CNN which is basically- “get rid of everyone in the fuckin govt.- they’re crooks, liars, and incompetents. Dobbs has been giving a toned down version of the same message for years.

This may be where the “talk show” momentum is going- anti government- a curse on everybody’s house!

TRex October 19th, 2006 at 4:27 pm

I’m starting to think very seriously about being in CT for the elections.

Hmmmmmmmm.

We might have to do another bleg-a-thon.

rwcole October 19th, 2006 at 4:28 pm

The Republican Party will begin airing a hard-hitting ad this weekend that warns of more cataclysmic terror attacks against the U.S. homeland.
The ad portrays Osama bin Laden and quotes his threats against America dating to February 1998. “These are the stakes,” the ad concludes. “Vote November 7.”

Brian Jones, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said the ad would run on national cable beginning Sunday, but he declined to discuss specifics of the buy.

The commercial tracks with Republican Party strategy to make the war on terrorism a central theme of this election. It will air as recent polls show Republicans losing ground as the party best able to combat terrorism.

Last month, President Bush made the war against terrorism a recurrent topic in public appearances. But his message was drowned out by the e- mail sex scandal involving former Republican Rep. Mark Foley of Florida and by increasing fatalities in Iraq.

dab from CT October 19th, 2006 at 4:29 pm

TRex @ 22

I’m starting to think very seriously about being in CT for the elections.

Hmmmmmmmm.

We might have to do another bleg-a-thon.

I would be happy to contribute. I would love to meet you.

*xyz October 19th, 2006 at 4:30 pm

TRex - Go.

punaise October 19th, 2006 at 4:30 pm

hey Trex, have you recovered from last night?

Jane Hamsher October 19th, 2006 at 4:32 pm

Ned got a good one off — “I hear a lot about experience on this campaign but I don’t see a lot of results.”

Hugh October 19th, 2006 at 4:32 pm

OT
I finally saw the recent Frontline documentary “The Lost Year in Iraq”. It was brilliant depicting the year following the fall of Saddam to the departure of Paul Bremer and the end of the CPA. I thought it was especially effective showing how a multiplicity of power centers: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Garner, Bremer, the uniformed military, and eventually the Iraqis interacted intermittently and usually at crossed-purposes with each other. The result was often no plan or plans made on the fly with no grown ups in the room. Some had zero relation with reality. Others simply ignored it.

Essentially, that first year Bush was AWOL (surprise) and with no one else in charge, his subordinates fought for control among themselves and virtually no one thought about Iraq, how to fix it or more importantly how to get out of it. Most of this has been said before but it is an amazing story and Frontline does a first rate job telling it.

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 4:33 pm

Waaaaaah…my computer connection keeps timing out on the damn livestream. Guess I’ll have to wait for the 8 pm showing on C-Span. Phoooey. (Yeah, I know, what do political nerds do on their birthday? Watch debates. *g*)

Blank Kludge October 19th, 2006 at 4:33 pm

This format, and maybe the dynamics of the campaign, make Jozo’s incumbency irrelevant. (I surmised post-primary that Joe wouldn’t be able to run away from his record or himself. This is truer every day.) He really is just another face. Ned is pumped and dynamic. He really DOES have a strong message.

oh…and Jozo does go over his alloted time, just about every time. Good on Bob S. from CBS to cut him off.

“Senator, your time is UP!”
—
Oh. Ned - “I hear lots about seniority, but not aboout results.” Then tears into security. And by immplication, Jozo.

Then Alan gets in a dig on Ned?

Jozo defends seniority…and then, ‘Senator, your time’s up.” (agai…) LOVE IT.

Connecticut Bob October 19th, 2006 at 4:36 pm

TRex @ 22

I’m starting to think very seriously about being in CT for the elections.

Hmmmmmmmm.

We might have to do another bleg-a-thon.

Oh, please do! We need some giant reptiles on OUR side up here during the final push.

And everyone better hurry; rooms are getting booked up fast at the Sheraton Four Points in Meriden.

windje October 19th, 2006 at 4:38 pm

Hugh @ 28

OT
I finally saw the recent Frontline documentary “The Lost Year in Iraq”. It was brilliant depicting the year following the fall of Saddam to the departure of Paul Bremer and the end of the CPA. I thought it was especially effective showing how a multiplicity of power centers: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Garner, Bremer, the uniformed military, and eventually the Iraqis interacted intermittently and usually at crossed-purposes with each other. The result was often no plan or plans made on the fly with no grown ups in the room. Some had zero relation with reality. Others simply ignored it.

Essentially, that first year Bush was AWOL (surprise) and with no one else in charge, his subordinates fought for control among themselves and virtually no one thought about Iraq, how to fix it or more importantly how to get out of it. Most of this has been said before but it is an amazing story and Frontline does a first rate job telling it.

Great piece. Seems to combine Hubris, Assassin Gate, Fiasco, State of Denial and a few others I can’t remember.

The Bush administration couldn’t find their own a55holes with both hands and a roadmap.

selise October 19th, 2006 at 4:40 pm

Connecticut Bob @ 31

And everyone better hurry; rooms are getting booked up fast at the Sheraton Four Points in Meriden.

saturday before last, when revdeb told ned that she had already booked a room for the days leading up to the election… ned’s response was something like: oh yeah, i better do that too!

dab from CT October 19th, 2006 at 4:41 pm

Then Alan gets in a dig on Ned?

————

Well, he IS a Republican. Actually, a wingnut - but he clearly likes Ned & I think the feeling is mutual.

I also think the fact that Lieberman clearly detests Lamont doesn’t help Joey come across as an elder stateman. Rather, a petulant, out of touch, entitled SOB.

TRex October 19th, 2006 at 4:42 pm

And everyone better hurry; rooms are getting booked up fast at the Sheraton Four Points in Meriden.

Uh oh. Double hmmmmmmmmm.

I had SUCH a good time in August.

Think, TRex, think!

Maybe I will post about it tonight.

hey Trex, have you recovered from last night?

That’s a good question. I’m still pretty annoyed at having what could have been a great thread hijacked by internal concern trolls. It’s had me thinking that I may want to take some threads off in the future here, spend less time obsessively tracking the conversation if I’m going to get that wound up. I was ready to tear out some throats last night. I’m 60 million years old. It’s not good for my blood pressure.

Jane Hamsher October 19th, 2006 at 4:43 pm

Is Joe saying he was against the ports deal?

And I’m sure Joe had plenty of statements in favor of privatization before he switched his position to run with Gore.

JPL October 19th, 2006 at 4:43 pm

OT, CHRISTY, happy birthday, I just finished watching your appearance on cspan. Wow, what a good job.

selise October 19th, 2006 at 4:43 pm

dab from CT @ 34

Then Alan gets in a dig on Ned?

————

Well, he IS a Republican. Actually, a wingnut - but he clearly likes Ned & I think the feeling is mutual.

I also think the fact that Lieberman clearly detests Lamont doesn’t help Joey come across as an elder stateman. Rather, a petulant, out of touch, entitled SOB.

i disagree with most of alan’s positions… but, he gives the impression of saying what he really believes…. i like that much better than joe’s bs.

rwcole October 19th, 2006 at 4:43 pm

MIAMI (AFP) - The top US general defended the leadership of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, saying it is inspired by God.

“He leads in a way that the good Lord tells him is best for our country,” said Marine General Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Unfuckin believable- Clusterfuck puts a religious nut case in charge of the military- and this bozo says that God is guiding Rummy’s hand in causing him to lose the fuckin war in Iraq.

So, General, why does God hate the USA?

angie October 19th, 2006 at 4:45 pm

windje @ 32

Hugh @ 28

OT
I finally saw the recent Frontline documentary “The Lost Year in Iraq”. It was brilliant depicting the year following the fall of Saddam to the departure of Paul Bremer and the end of the CPA. I thought it was especially effective showing how a multiplicity of power centers: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Garner, Bremer, the uniformed military, and eventually the Iraqis interacted intermittently and usually at crossed-purposes with each other. The result was often no plan or plans made on the fly with no grown ups in the room. Some had zero relation with reality. Others simply ignored it.

Essentially, that first year Bush was AWOL (surprise) and with no one else in charge, his subordinates fought for control among themselves and virtually no one thought about Iraq, how to fix it or more importantly how to get out of it. Most of this has been said before but it is an amazing story and Frontline does a first rate job telling it.

Great piece. Seems to combine Hubris, Assassin Gate, Fiasco, State of Denial and a few others I can’t remember.

The Bush administration couldn’t find their own a55holes with both hands and a roadmap.

it was well done and exceedlingly gut-wrenching. Michael Kirk– the writer, producer and director of it was online at wapo yesterday and the chat is VERY interesting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00400.html

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 4:46 pm

JPL at 37 — awww, thanks. I had to sit at a really weird angle because of a problem with the earpiece, so I hope it didn’t look too wonky. I’ve been too nervous to watch my tape just yet. I’m glad you enjoyed it, though. :)

punaise October 19th, 2006 at 4:46 pm

TRex @ 35

hey Trex, have you recovered from last night?

That’s a good question. I’m still pretty annoyed at having what could have been a great thread hijacked by internal concern trolls. It’s had me thinking that I may want to take some threads off in the future here, spend less time obsessively tracking the conversation if I’m going to get that wound up. I was ready to tear out some throats last night. I’m 60 million years old. It’s not good for my blood pressure.

sorry to bring up a sore subject. your banter in the comments is integral to the appeal of Late Nite, but we wouldn’t want you to burn out.

Cujo359 October 19th, 2006 at 4:47 pm

Jane Hamsher @ 4:43 pm (#36)

Is Joe saying he was against the ports deal?

And I’m sure Joe had plenty of statements in favor of privatization before he switched his position to run with Gore.

I’m sure you’re right about that, because I’m pretty sure that someone compiled a list of them. Wasn’t that someone who writes for this blog?

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 4:47 pm

Has the Knibbs guy said “Lieberman” every single time he addressed something about Joe? I bet that seriously pissed off Joe-nertia.

selise October 19th, 2006 at 4:48 pm

TRex @ 35

And everyone better hurry; rooms are getting booked up fast at the Sheraton Four Points in Meriden.

Uh oh. Double hmmmmmmmmm.

I had SUCH a good time in August.

Think, TRex, think!

Maybe I will post about it tonight.

hey Trex, have you recovered from last night?

That’s a good question. I’m still pretty annoyed at having what could have been a great thread hijacked by internal concern trolls. It’s had me thinking that I may want to take some threads off in the future here, spend less time obsessively tracking the conversation if I’m going to get that wound up. I was ready to tear out some throats last night. I’m 60 million years old. It’s not good for my blood pressure.

trex! please come to CT again! it was so much fun getting to meet you… and your lucky tie REALLY needs to be there. how will you feel if ned loses, all for the lack of your lucky tie? maybe we could fit in another little fund raiser for such a good cause?

wrt to last night’s thread… i missed that, but now you’ve piqued my curiousity - i’ll have to go take a look.

kristinejoy October 19th, 2006 at 4:48 pm

TRex @ 35

And everyone better hurry; rooms are getting booked up fast at the Sheraton Four Points in Meriden.

Uh oh. Double hmmmmmmmmm.

I had SUCH a good time in August.

Think, TRex, think!

Maybe I will post about it tonight.

hey Trex, have you recovered from last night?

That’s a good question. I’m still pretty annoyed at having what could have been a great thread hijacked by internal concern trolls. It’s had me thinking that I may want to take some threads off in the future here, spend less time obsessively tracking the conversation if I’m going to get that wound up. I was ready to tear out some throats last night. I’m 60 million years old. It’s not good for my blood pressure.

TRex, please don’t stop. For some of us this issue is FUCKING personal.

When you protect the closet, you spit in the face of all of us with the courage to be authentic. The closet is homophobia institutionalized.

I want this to be a better world for MY children, and I will not compromise. Neither should you.

JPL October 19th, 2006 at 4:51 pm

punaise @ 42

TRex @ 35

hey Trex, have you recovered from last night?

That’s a good question. I’m still pretty annoyed at having what could have been a great thread hijacked by internal concern trolls. It’s had me thinking that I may want to take some threads off in the future here, spend less time obsessively tracking the conversation if I’m going to get that wound up. I was ready to tear out some throats last night. I’m 60 million years old. It’s not good for my blood pressure.

sorry to bring up a sore subject. your banter in the comments is integral to the appeal of Late Nite, but we wouldn’t want you to burn out.

T-Rex I’m an early riser and the first thing I read in the morning are your comments. Please don’t burn out. It’s funny I live in the 30075 zip and at times wake up while you’re still posting. Keep up the good work.

Urban Pirate October 19th, 2006 at 4:51 pm

I know everybody’s watching the debate, but Cafferty just had an hour on CNN. Man did he rip the Pres, VP, Rummy, and Congress.

He started with “Had Enough” - not the video (unfortunately) but the term, and the sentiment.

Lotta pissed off people in America right now.

Had Enough?

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 4:51 pm

Joe would like us to think of him as “serious.” I’m getting more of a “droopy” feeling from him, though.

TRex October 19th, 2006 at 4:52 pm

wrt to last night’s thread… i missed that, but now you’ve piqued my curiousity - i’ll have to go take a look.

Oh, god, please don’t.

Hugh October 19th, 2006 at 4:52 pm

Happy Birthday to Christy and Siun. My aren’t we Librans a thoughtful bunch.

dab from CT October 19th, 2006 at 4:52 pm

TRex, I thought it was a great piece and was so distraught when it was hijacked. It felt like a bar room brawl where the bully is holding a broken bottle and jabbing it in everyone’s face.

I thought you were extremely patient.

JPL October 19th, 2006 at 4:52 pm

Gosh, Joe wants to do it all, but he never does.

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 4:53 pm

Urban Pirate at 48 — I talked to a number of pissed off people on C-Span this morning — curiously, more of them on the Republican line than the Dem one this morning. And they were pissed at the GOP. It was a little surreal for me — last time I had a lot of screamers, but this morning, most of them were agreeing with me.

Bustednuckles October 19th, 2006 at 4:55 pm

Wow, Busy busy day.

Happy Birthday Christy!

darkblack October 19th, 2006 at 4:55 pm

Surrounded on all sides… ‘Nothing to do but cut and run, huh?’ …

;>)

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 4:55 pm

Alan Schlesinger is cracking me up…

punaise October 19th, 2006 at 4:55 pm

darkblack @ 56

Surrounded on all sides… ‘Nothing to do but cut and run, huh?’ …

;>)

hah! the (Charles Bronson?) hair…

*xyz October 19th, 2006 at 4:57 pm

Lamont sounds great!

angie October 19th, 2006 at 4:58 pm

Christy Hardin Smith @ 54

Urban Pirate at 48 — I talked to a number of pissed off people on C-Span this morning — curiously, more of them on the Republican line than the Dem one this morning. And they were pissed at the GOP. It was a little surreal for me — last time I had a lot of screamers, but this morning, most of them were agreeing with me.

You were great Redd! All the call- in segments had the same feel today.

R’s saying they were voting straight D.

Jane Hamsher October 19th, 2006 at 4:59 pm

oh darkblack 56 — genius.

TRex October 19th, 2006 at 4:59 pm

R’s saying they were voting straight D.

Hell.

Yeah.

That’s what I like to hear.

JPL October 19th, 2006 at 4:59 pm

Lamont’s closing statement was great. I was glad that he brought up Joe’s support in the Terri Shiavo mess but I’m especially glad that they are repeating this debate on Sunday.

selise October 19th, 2006 at 5:00 pm

*xyz @ 59

Lamont sounds great!

he sound like a senator! i hope lots of nutmeggers are seeing this.

Hugh October 19th, 2006 at 5:00 pm

BTW I posted it in the last thread but today is the first day since early August that the average price for gasoline nationally rose, if only slightly, instead of falling. This likely indicates that the bottom for gasoline prices may not be far off.

egregious October 19th, 2006 at 5:01 pm

Ct governors debate now on c span 1

Then Missouri
Texas
Ohio

but when is NED?
Did I just miss the whole thing?
………………………….

kirk murphy October 19th, 2006 at 5:02 pm

TRex @
35

And everyone better hurry; rooms are getting booked up fast at the Sheraton Four Points in Meriden.

Uh oh. Double hmmmmmmmmm.

I had SUCH a good time in August.

Think, TRex, think!

Maybe I will post about it tonight.

hey Trex, have you recovered from last night?

That’s a good question. I’m still pretty annoyed at having what could have been a great thread hijacked by internal concern trolls. It’s had me thinking that I may want to take some threads off in the future here, spend less time obsessively tracking the conversation if I’m going to get that wound up. I was ready to tear out some throats last night. I’m 60 million years old. It’s not good for my blood pressure.

Thanks for all that you give to the fdl community, Trex.

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 5:03 pm

Hugh at 65 — didn’t OPEC announce that they were going to meet to discuss cutting production even more this week or next? (And how lovely is it that they are thinking of doing that right before winter, when poor folks have to fill up their heating oil tanks…SIGH)

Blank Kludge October 19th, 2006 at 5:03 pm

selise @ 64

*xyz @ 59

Lamont sounds great!

he sound like a senator! i hope lots of nutmeggers are seeing this.

Agreed. Depending on how many do/will (on Sunday…or stream it on the web…and how it gets played in trad/med) I’d say this race is now tied…or maybe leaning Lamont. Good performance. The last debate could seal the deal.

egregious October 19th, 2006 at 5:04 pm

I missed the debate…I think I’m gonna cry…is there any video or audio? :(

darkblack October 19th, 2006 at 5:04 pm

punaise @ 58

Jane Hamsher @ 61

You know, I try my best, but I just can’t make Joe look good…I don’t know why that is

;>)

Fern October 19th, 2006 at 5:05 pm

TRex, my feeling has been that coming up with content for that many posts a week has become a bit stressful lately. Cutting back may not be such a bad idea. On the other hand it’s not late nite without you.

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 5:05 pm

I liked Ned’s closing better in this debate than the last one. “Can’t we do better?” Mwee heeeee. No wonder Joe ran out of the building and wouldn’t talk with the press gaggle after the debates (the only candidate to hightail it out of the building, btw, according to Stoller — what a poor sport).

i heart jane October 19th, 2006 at 5:05 pm

http://inside.c-spanarchives.o.....hedule.csp

shit 1am eastern . . . to whatch droopy get his ass kicked.

damn. anyone know: is this yesterday’s or todays??

Bustednuckles October 19th, 2006 at 5:06 pm

darkblack @ 71

punaise @ 58

Jane Hamsher @ 61

You know, I try my best, but I just can’t make Joe look good…I don’t know why that is

;>)

You can’t polish a turd.

selise October 19th, 2006 at 5:06 pm

egregious @ 70

I missed the debate…I think I’m gonna cry…is there any video or audio? :(

tonight 1am, c-span1

Scott Tribe October 19th, 2006 at 5:07 pm

Blank Kludge @ 69:

I hate to sound like a (Canadian) Kos… but its all going to come down to voter enthusiasm and GOTV efforts on Lamont’s campaign.

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 5:08 pm

Fern at 72 — it’s awfully tough coming up with something good day in and day out, especially when you have to follow my morning shift and Jane’s evening, and any guests — we’ve often slogged through a lot of the really meaty stuff by the time late nite comes around — I don’t know how TRex does it some days, frankly. He’s a peach of a man, though. :)

JPL October 19th, 2006 at 5:08 pm

MyDD.com has a link to the debate.

selise October 19th, 2006 at 5:09 pm

Christy Hardin Smith @ 78

Fern at 72 — it’s awfully tough coming up with something good day in and day out, especially when you have to follow my morning shift and Jane’s evening, and any guests — we’ve often slogged through a lot of the really meaty stuff by the time late nite comes around — I don’t know how TRex does it some days, frankly. He’s a peach of a man, though. :)

a georgia peach!

Fern October 19th, 2006 at 5:09 pm

Christy Hardin Smith @ 78

Fern at 72 — it’s awfully tough coming up with something good day in and day out, especially when you have to follow my morning shift and Jane’s evening, and any guests — we’ve often slogged through a lot of the really meaty stuff by the time late nite comes around — I don’t know how TRex does it some days, frankly. He’s a peach of a man, though. :)

That’s kinda what I figured.

punaise October 19th, 2006 at 5:10 pm

Christy Hardin Smith @ 78

Fern at 72 — it’s awfully tough coming up with something good day in and day out, especially when you have to follow my morning shift and Jane’s evening, and any guests — we’ve often slogged through a lot of the really meaty stuff by the time late nite comes around — I don’t know how TRex does it some days, frankly. He’s a peach of a man, though. :)

that’s why he gets the big bucks.

dab from CT October 19th, 2006 at 5:10 pm

egregious @ 70

I missed the debate…I think I’m gonna cry…is there any video or audio? :(

According to the Lamont campaign, C-Span hasn’t announced yet when they’ll show it. I was surprised when you said it was showing in the DC area at 8:00

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 5:11 pm

Scott at 77 — what’s I’m hearing from on-the-ground sources is that there is that same feel of enthusiasm right now in the Ned volunteers that everyone was seeing in the primary. And that there are LOADS of Ned signs popping up everywhere again — along with great ads on teevee and radio. If that holds between now and election day, I say Joe’s going to be more whiny.

And a reminder to everyone: in my state, early voting has begun. If your state allows for early voting, it’s a good idea to go and do that — that way, if there is a problem with your voter registration for some reason, you can get it straightened out BEFORE election day, so you won’t have to vote via provisional ballot. (One of the many, many reasons it pays to be a Type-A kinda gal and plan ahead…)

Hugh October 19th, 2006 at 5:12 pm

Christy Hardin Smith @ 68

Hugh at 65 — didn’t OPEC announce that they were going to meet to discuss cutting production even more this week or next? (And how lovely is it that they are thinking of doing that right before winter, when poor folks have to fill up their heating oil tanks…SIGH)

OPEC I believe announced a million bbl/day cutback but they need to meet to decide whose quota gets cut and by how much. Several OPEC members cheat already on their quotas. I doubt that this would change. Mostly all of that is kabuki and the only way you can tell if it is real is if inventories and markets tighten.

selise October 19th, 2006 at 5:12 pm

dab from CT @ 83

egregious @ 70

I missed the debate…I think I’m gonna cry…is there any video or audio? :(

According to the Lamont campaign, C-Span hasn’t announced yet when they’ll show it. I was surprised when you said it was showing in the DC area at 8:00

it’s listed on the c-span schedule now for 1:05am tonight

darkblack October 19th, 2006 at 5:12 pm

Bustednuckles @ 75

You can’t polish a turd.

Well, you can …But it’s a shitty job that rubs off on you.

;>)

selise @ 80

a georgia peach!

That was cobbled together well.

;>)

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 5:12 pm

punaise at 82 — oh yeah, we all do…

O.o

Mwahahahaha…okay, seriously, I’d do this for free. Just don’t tell Jane…

angie October 19th, 2006 at 5:12 pm

Christy Hardin Smith @ 78

Fern at 72 — it’s awfully tough coming up with something good day in and day out, especially when you have to follow my morning shift and Jane’s evening, and any guests — we’ve often slogged through a lot of the really meaty stuff by the time late nite comes around — I don’t know how TRex does it some days, frankly. He’s a peach of a man, though. :)

TRex is seriously fantastic. He covers the full spectrum from snark to pathos. NPR would be lucky to have him! In the meantime, we are.

JPL October 19th, 2006 at 5:13 pm

I’m not good at linking but go to wfsb.com and you can access the debate on their home page.

HotFlash October 19th, 2006 at 5:14 pm

dab from CT @
9

Alan is a hoot. I am all for the Ned & Alan show. They should take it on the road and have debates once a week for the next three weeks.

That would be so sweet — Ned out-Democrating Joe, Alan out-Republicaning him, and the two of them out-bipartisaning him. If Joe won’t show, they can always use a cardboard like Roberto Rodriguez does. I suppose an inflatable Joe would be too rude?

rwcole October 19th, 2006 at 5:14 pm

“can’t polish a turd”

Were that true- then politics would be dead. Fortunately it can be done- freeze the sucker first.

selise October 19th, 2006 at 5:15 pm

rwcole @ 92

“can’t polish a turd”

Were that true- then politics would be dead. Fortunately it can be done- freeze the sucker first.

that explains a lot!

egregious October 19th, 2006 at 5:16 pm

rwcole @ 23

The Republican Party will begin airing a hard-hitting ad this weekend that warns of more cataclysmic terror attacks against the U.S. homeland.
The ad portrays Osama bin Laden and quotes his threats against America dating to February 1998. “These are the stakes,” the ad concludes. “Vote November 7.”

Brian Jones, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said the ad would run on national cable beginning Sunday, but he declined to discuss specifics of the buy.

The commercial tracks with Republican Party strategy to make the war on terrorism a central theme of this election. It will air as recent polls show Republicans losing ground as the party best able to combat terrorism.

Last month, President Bush made the war against terrorism a recurrent topic in public appearances. But his message was drowned out by the e- mail sex scandal involving former Republican Rep. Mark Foley of Florida and by increasing fatalities in Iraq.

Excuse me WHERE is Osama? And why have we just given Pakistan a pass to keep hiding him? Don’t get me started on AQ Khan, nuclear expert who is exporting to North Korea and elsewhere, protected by the Pakistan govt, we know exactly where he lives but he is “protected” somehow. Hmmm.

It feels like they are counting on no one paying attention, and the few people that do pay attention are powerless. Let’s change that, ok?

rwcole October 19th, 2006 at 5:17 pm

unsubtle new ad released today by the Republican National Committee features fleeting video of Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and other terrorist imagery.

Entitled “The Stakes,” the ad also highlights snippets of statements–one over eight years old–from the two al-Qaeda leaders, both still at large. Certain menacing phrases are repeated twice (e.g., “kill the Americans,” “suitcase bombs”) to reinforce the message.

A ticking sound reminiscent of a bomb timer grows progressively louder until the last repeated phrase (”What is yet to come will be even greater”) is shown, followed by the sound of a beating heart, fleeting images of explosions and terrorists in training, and ending with the message “These Are The Stakes. Vote Nov. 7.”

Urban Pirate October 19th, 2006 at 5:19 pm

Christy Hardin Smith @ 54

Urban Pirate at 48 — I talked to a number of pissed off people on C-Span this morning — curiously, more of them on the Republican line than the Dem one this morning. And they were pissed at the GOP. It was a little surreal for me — last time I had a lot of screamers, but this morning, most of them were agreeing with me.

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could reunite with our brethren who have been voting against their own interests for so long?

egregious October 19th, 2006 at 5:19 pm

rwcole @ 95

unsubtle new ad released today by the Republican National Committee features fleeting video of Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and other terrorist imagery.

Entitled “The Stakes,” the ad also highlights snippets of statements–one over eight years old–from the two al-Qaeda leaders, both still at large. Certain menacing phrases are repeated twice (e.g., “kill the Americans,” “suitcase bombs”) to reinforce the message.

A ticking sound reminiscent of a bomb timer grows progressively louder until the last repeated phrase (”What is yet to come will be even greater”) is shown, followed by the sound of a beating heart, fleeting images of explosions and terrorists in training, and ending with the message “These Are The Stakes. Vote Nov. 7.”

And hundreds of billions of dollars later, why are they still at large, unless it serves the interests of the powers that be?

See you in the camps, folks. R.I.P. habeus corpus, 17 October 2006.

You know, unless the Supreme Court overturns this new odious law. Sometime in the future. MAYBE.

Christy Hardin Smith October 19th, 2006 at 5:19 pm

rwcole at 95 — it’s eerily similar to the “Daisy” at that LBJ was going to run…which says the cynical bastards are hoping to get free media hyping it before they run it, never have to actually sink the money into the ad…and then cackle about the sheeple in the media and elsewhere.

Um…where’s Osama?

dab from CT October 19th, 2006 at 5:20 pm

HotFlash @ 91

dab from CT @
9

Alan is a hoot. I am all for the Ned & Alan show. They should take it on the road and have debates once a week for the next three weeks.

That would be so sweet — Ned out-Democrating Joe, Alan out-Republicaning him, and the two of them out-bipartisaning him. If Joe won’t show, they can always use a cardboard like Roberto Rodriguez does. I suppose an inflatable Joe would be too rude?

Aside from everything else - the two debates have totally neutralized Joe’s “I’m the one who can work across the aisle and Lamont is a polarizing meany” Clearly Lamont (D) and Schlesinger (R) can work together - kicking Lieberman to the curb

punaise October 19th, 2006 at 5:20 pm

100

a georgia peach!

That was cobbled together well.

just don’t go all upper crust on us

John Casper October 19th, 2006 at 5:23 pm

101

I assume the RNC ads are aimed at their base, probably outtakes from DisneyABC’s PATH TO 9/11.

The PRNK test made the WH look bad. They tried to blame it on Clinton and people just laughed. Two weeks ago, if you would have told me that, I wouldn’t have believed you.

dab from CT October 19th, 2006 at 5:23 pm

102

rwcole @ 95

unsubtle new ad released today by the Republican National Committee features fleeting video of Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and other terrorist imagery.

Entitled “The Stakes,” the ad also highlights snippets of statements–one over eight years old–from the two al-Qaeda leaders, both still at large. Certain menacing phrases are repeated twice (e.g., “kill the Americans,” “suitcase bombs”) to reinforce the message.

A ticking sound reminiscent of a bomb timer grows progressively louder until the last repeated phrase (”What is yet to come will be even greater”) is shown, followed by the sound of a beating heart, fleeting images of explosions and terrorists in training, and ending with the message “These Are The Stakes. Vote Nov. 7.”

Well, the national Dems should put out an ad quoting the former Inspector General of the DHS who says BushCo has no interest in national security and the DHS is a joke used only as a device to hand out pork.

BushCo makes it too easy

angie October 19th, 2006 at 5:23 pm

103

punaise @ 100

a georgia peach!

That was cobbled together well.

just don’t go all upper crust on us

no buckling or crumbling, either!

EvilDrPuma October 19th, 2006 at 5:24 pm

104

Jane Hamsher @ 13

Alan got a good one off — he says I know what I”m running for — Lieberman doesn’t seem to know that the role of a Senator is advise and consent, he thinks he’s part of the executive branch.

So true.

…but pretty ironic coming from a Republican these days.