
The whole did she or did she not talk with Tenet in July of 2001 question appears to have been resolved -- as Andrea Mitchell reported on MSNBC, by the WH sending a squad of folks over to the National Archives to do a damage control search for pushback on the new Woodward book (and isn't that a switch from the last two fawning tomes where they were racing themselves to find a microphone to prop Woody's research methods up and talk about his burnished journalistic credentials?)...and finding that Bob Woodward's assertion that a meeting took place was correct all along.
But that only scratches the surface on needed answers.
Mahablog reports that Roger Cressey received the same briefing that Condi did, and he talked about it a bit on MSNBC yesterday. Yowza.
And it turns out that it wasn't just Condi who got the briefings on the substantial Al Qaeda threat in July of 2001:
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and former Attorney General John Ashcroft received the same CIA briefing about an imminent al-Qaida strike on an American target that was given to the White House two months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.The State Department's disclosure Monday that the pair was briefed within a week after then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice was told about the threat on July 10, 2001, raised new questions about what the Bush administration did in response, and about why so many officials have claimed they never received or don't remember the warning.
A thinking person might ask, "gee, wasn't that just two months before 9/11?" Why, yes, it was.
Three top officials of the Bush Administration...warned of a major threat by al qaeda...two months before US soil was attacked. And yet, these warnings were not included in the report of the 9/11 Commission, despite George Tenet giving testimony about them because....what, exactly?
Nor is it clear why the 9/11 commission never reported the briefing, which the intelligence officials said Tenet outlined to commission members Ben-Veniste and Zelikow in secret testimony at CIA headquarters. The State Department confirmed that the briefing materials were "made available to the 9/11 Commission, and Director Tenet was asked about this meeting when interviewed by the 9/11 Commission."The three former senior intelligence officials, however, said Tenet raised the matter with the panel himself, displayed slides from the PowerPoint presentation and offered to testify on the matter in public.
Ben-Veniste confirmed to McClatchy Newspapers that Tenet outlined for the 9/11 commission the July 10 briefing to Rice in secret testimony in January 2004. He referred questions about why the commission omitted any mention of the briefing in its report to Zelikow, the report's main author. Zelikow didn't respond to e-mail and telephone queries from McClatchy Newspapers.
Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism chief, Ben-Veniste and the former senior intelligence officials all challenged some aspects of Woodward's account of the briefing given to Rice, including assertions that she failed to react to the warning and that it concerned an imminent attack inside the United States.
Clarke told McClatchy Newspapers that Rice focused in particular on the possible threat to President Bush at an upcoming summit meeting in Genoa, Italy, and promised to quickly schedule a high-level White House meeting on al-Qaida. That meeting took place on September 4, 2001.
Wish they'd been able to get a response from Zelikow, since he was the Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission and now works for Rice at the State Department, that would put him right in the center of all of this, now wouldn't it?
Froomkin has had some fantastic background on all of this -- here and here.
Is this all just more of the WHIG versus the CIA ongoing battle to see who takes the fall for the Iraq mess? The NYTimes seems to suggest that is the case:
The dispute that has played out in recent days gives further evidence of an escalating battle between the White House and Mr. Tenet over who should take the blame for the failure to stop the Sept. 11 attacks and assertions by Bush administration officials that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling chemical and biological weapons and cultivating ties to Al Qaeda.Mr. Tenet resigned as director of central intelligence in the summer of 2004 and was honored that December with a Presidential Medal of Freedom at a White House ceremony. Since leaving the C.I.A., Mr. Tenet has stayed out of the public eye, largely declining to defend his record even after several government investigations assailed the faulty intelligence that helped build the case for the Iraq war.
Mr. Tenet is now completing work on a memoir that is scheduled to be published early next year. It is unclear how much he will use the book to settle old scores, although recent books have portrayed him both as dubious about the need to invade Iraq and angry that the White House has made the C.I.A. the primary scapegoat for the war.
Well, this could get interesting. Last time the WHIG v. CIA mess heated up (see here and here), we got the Fitzgerald investigation, the Cheney mark-up on the Wilson op-ed, the peek into the White House push-back operation, and a window into Dick Cheney's behind-the-scenes machination drawer.
The White House has already had to send a pushback squad to the National Archives to dig up material that they had to finally admit confirmed that this meeting took place between Condi, Tenet and Black a mere two months before 9/11 -- guess it wasn't so incomprehensible after all, eh, Condi? Wonder what else will get coughed up this round?
...someone pass me the popcorn...
(H/T to Needlenose for the photo.)
UPDATE: Paul Lukasiak has a couple of excellent points that I wanted to bring up from the comments:
1) It appears that this “brush off” from Rice (and Ashcroft and Rumsfeld) was what lead to the creation of the August 6 “Bin Laden Determined to Attack the US” PDB. Having gone to the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, and the National Security Advisor and gotten no action, the CIA’s only hope was to present (basically the same) briefing to Bush…. who brushed it off as well.2) Rice wanted Ashcroft and Rummy briefed…. but not Powell? This is especially strange, given that Rice claims to believe that she wasn’t warned about attacks in the United States — Powell should have been in the loop, and Ashcroft less involved, if the operational assumption was that US interests abroad would be targetted…
Hmmm...more questions. And I'd love to see someone asking those, wouldn't you?
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One thing they did as I remember was direct John Ashcroft to stop taking commercial flights.
Sam at 2 — Mahablog covers that question well in the link above. And, oddly, no one has asked Ashcroft about that issue that I could find anywhere.
This and the war in Iraq are what we need to be talking about. The latest page sex scandel is distracting from the real issue. I hope we stop talking about that soon and get back to the utter incompetence of these people to govern, they are making us less safe, they lie.
jere at 4 — the page scandal is yet another example of the cover-up and lie behavior, it’s just a different subject matter at the heart of it. Different subjects grab different segments of folks, but the overall narrative of how the Republican Party has behaved in power is the same — for shame.
If the Cheny Bush administration was cooking up a “plan of attack” for Iraq when they were handed the white house keys… it is pretty clear that to attack we would need a provocation.
And you do recall Bush and Blair talking about staging a shoort down of a UN marked plane over Iraq???
It all sounds so conspiratorial… but chaos anywhere around the world is a perfect excuse for the USA to flex it’s muscles and “move in” in the interest of stabilyt. Look at Haiti where we removed… literally Aristide and installed a puppet gov.
Whether 9.11 was planned or allowed to happen because chaos is what the militarist want and it always makes the industrialists swimming in cash… I don’t see that the cheney administration is really trying to make the world a safer place. What they want is a battlefield and a never ending war and a means to divert all tax revenues of this nation to the military industrial complex.
Call me a cynic… but that’s what the big boys want. M O N E Y and P O W E R.
of course ashcroft knew; he took the threat seriously enough to stop flying on commercial airplanes.
The lying AWOL Decider is in Phoenix this morning - campaigning as usual…no wonder there was a unusual chill in the air
I think it would be interesting to look at where these people were and what they were doing right after the 2000 “election”,before the inauguration. Once the presidency was in the bag,so to speak,what were Cheney and Rummy(and the rest of the lot of’em) doing? Methinks that a whole bunch of plotting and planning and scheming was happening around that time since they knew the PNAC vision/mission statement could now be made real. Perhaps someone has covered this short time frame and I’ve missed it,but it might be verrrrry interesting if it could be found out what was happening in those few weeks.
Phoenix? I thought he was in LA last night. Maybe he moved on, after jacking all of our afternoon traffic patterns.
I also think that this would explain why Ashcroft didn’t take commercial planes before 9/11. Just sayin’.
I think that the poop has hit the fan. People smell the weakness from the Foley scandal, are starting to really, really believe that the Bush Administration doesn’t have the power to break people anymore, and are now coming out with the details we’ve all suspected all along. If I’m right, then there will be some serious revelations in the next few weeks.
Interesting take on the Libster..
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=126958
Jack
Christy at 5, I agree. There are so many things wrong with what these people have done, it is hard to focus anymore. It just troubles me that the war in Iraq is becoming old news. Fox is labeling Foley a Democrat. Pretty soon, people believe it. The war goes on. People are dying. No one talks about it. It is just a “comma”. I want the focus to be on the incompetence of these morons to protect us. Ignoring evidence that the US was going to be attacked, the lying to get us into this war. This is the worst scandal of them all.
So can we stop calling the “9-11 Was an Inside Job Crowd” nutters yet?
klyde at 13 — I think we can definitely stop saying that the Bush Administration was on top of things from day one. But then, I haven’t been saying that since…well, since they came into office. *g*
DefJef at #6- That’s it, in a nutshell.
Looks like CIA may well have done a decent job of connecting the dots, better than we have been led to believe. Combine that with the parallel alerts from the midwestern (Minneapolis) FBI agent regarding one of the hijackers. Had anyone been doing their job paid attention, this information should have resulted in raising the alert levels at airports. It may well have disrupted some the hijackers. Water over the dam at this point, except that it serves as a report card on the individuals involved. Condi gets an F.
We go and decimate the CIA with Goss purges. Are you feeling safer now that we purged the CIA of the experienced operatives and analysts and probably replaced them with Young Republicans whose clandestine skills consist of little more than political dirty tricks?
Can we expect anything other than Condoliar’s response to brushing off Tenet and Cofer? The Scooter Libby approach to accountability.
I can’t remember.
I didn’t know.
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If this gets a little traction, Condoliar’s approval ratings might well become consistent with her skills and abilities, which increasingly appear to be associated with prevarication.
With the MSM still fixated on sex, keeping this story alive really serves the public good.
I’d really like to see and am hoping that the ‘Jersey Girls’ regroup to hammer this story. It would seem to be their ‘mushroom cloud.
It appears we all have really been snookered by this (should I use these two juxtaposed words? - YES) cover up.
Crooks and Liars.
“The latest page sex scandel is distracting from the real issue.”
I disagree. It’s the first story I’ve seen since FDL started, where both the right and left want the story covered. This allows the TM to pursue it, very aggressively. I agree Iraq is more “important,” because people are dying. But Iraq/Afghanistan does not have nearly the potential to depress Xtian right turnout on November 7 as Foley
HastertBoehnerReynoldsgate does.Whenever they cover Iraq, the TM write part of the article for liberals and part for conservatives. Also, ditto what Christy wrote at 5:44.
I don’t believe 9/11 was an inside job.
I do believe, as Wesley Clark states, it was the result of “command negligence.”
If Clinton had still been president and Richard Clarke had still been in his former job and they’d gotten the intel that they appear to have gotten that summer, MAYBE they could have stopped it. Maybe.
But the real culprit was the lack of communication between CIA and FBI, and that was institutional dysfunction. AND IT STILL EXISTS TODAY.
Wow. Busy morning this morning, and I’m not up to my game like Christy is (only 2 hours of sleep, bad thunderstorms = kids up in the middle of night and in the same bed huddled with mom).
First, in re: 9/11 — we have now been inundated with SO much material that we are forgetting facts.
Like Condi warning Willie Brown not to fly on 9/11.
Hmm.
Or House Armed Services Committee member Ike Skelton (D-MO) saying they’d been warned of a possible immediate attack by Tenet. Or that top brass had been warned not to fly, also.
Condi is lying through her teeth, as is Ashcroft. I haven’t heard any statements from Rummy, but if he opens his mouth, it’ll be a lie, too.
Foley scandal next comment.
windje at 16 — and whose job was the intersect on connecting those dots? I believe that would have been the National Security Advisor, wouldn’t it — who would be receiving briefings from intel agencies as well as looking at threats from within the US via the FBI and DEA reporting. So, um, Condi — how was all that Russian negotiation and jet downed in Chinese air space time for you those first few months? And why is it that the Bush Administration — and more specifically Condi — has consistently gotten a pass for their clear inability to multitask on the job?
Good morning FDL, I overslept this morning.
Christy thank you for the coverage of the abomination that is occuring in the House, and keeping an eye on Condi-bot’s memory issues.
After being out, much of the weekend, I’ve had Phillip Glass music playing to try and bring the panic attacks under control, and well….watching the news just wasn’t helping.
I wish the issue of this post was getting more coverage in the news, but the Foley issue has been getting more press. Is it too much to ask that the press can pay attention to more than one thing at a time? I mean…hell, with the panic issues I have the attention span of a ferret on a sugar buzz, and I’m able to still multi-task. (Calligraphy, rearranging the kitchen, illuminating 38 prize scrolls, etc.)
If it wasn’t clear, thank you CHS for all you do.
I’ve often said that if you want to point a finger of blame for 911 at any one person…put it squarely on Condi. She has skated thru this whole disaster. She was head of National Security for God sakes! “I don’t think anyone could have imagined….”….BS, Condi.
1. Real data: Bojinka. And, the Algerians hijacked an Air France jetliner with stated plans to fly it into the Eiffel Tower. The plane landed for refueling and french security forces stormed the plane. It’s all in the public record.
2. Imaginative data: I guess Condi never reads too much. Back in 1992-93 some fiction writer published a book. We had a conflict with a military wing in Japan. A great shoot-em-up ensued. We finally won. Peace returned. The new Japan gov’t sent it’s pilots out to retrieve all the embargoed JAL commercial airliners. One pilot was very mad over the death of his son in the conflict. He blamed USA.
He was tasked to ferry an empty 747 back to an American airport. Just he & the co-pilot were aboard. On the tarmac, he pulled a knife on the co-pilot, killed him, and pretended as if nothing happened. He got take-off clearance and obeyed all flight instructions. Late into the flight….he deviated. He flew his “fuel-laden 747″ (ding ding ding?) towards D.C. and using the fuel laden aircraft as a flying missile (ding ding ding?) crashed it into the Capitol where a joint session of Congress convened. He decapitated our federal gov’t. It was an act of suicide. (ding ding ding?)
The crazy author who wrote this? A guy named Clancy. Yeah, THAT Clancy. Written and published back in the early 90’s.
Ghostman
This story isn’t going to help Foley’s enablers.
Charles Carl Roberts IV, who killed five Amish girls in a Pennsylvania schoolhouse on Monday, claimed he’d molested girls 20 years ago, police say.
During the standoff, Roberts called his wife, Marie Roberts, on his cell phone and told her he’d molested two female relatives when they were 3 to 5 years old, State Police Commissioner Jeffrey B. Miller said at a press conference Tuesday, the Associated Press reports.
http://people.aol.com/people/a.....80,00.html
For an Administration hell-bent on invading Iraq, an Al Qaeda attack on U.S. soil was the perfect excuse. We know from reliable sources that invading Iraq was on the agenda from the earliest days and that the boobs had been told, in no uncertain terms, several times, of the probability of an Al Qaeda attack. Add to that what we should understand at this late date–we “fellow Americans” are pawns in Bush and Company’s diabolical maneuvers to undemocratize our country.
I don’t know if I can stomach learning any more about this evil empire. Hanging is too good for these home-grown terrorists who should never have drawn a breath.
Why is finding the records of the meeting an undesired result of a push back on Woodward and not Cheney throws Rice under the bus? If it was push back on Woodward, the story would have been “we looked and couldn’t find the record of the meeting”; that lie would have held until after the election.
beard5 at 22 — sorry about the panic issues — that can be so tough, especially to pinpoint the triggers for some folks or to find a medication that can help to ease things (have had clients who dealt with this when I was in private legal practice). But the ferret on a sugar buzz imagery — spot on! Will have to take a listen to Phillip Glass — any suggestions about a particular album to check out?
Oh, and you are more than welcome. :)
two observations —
1) It appears that this “brush off” from Rice (and Ashcroft and Rumsfeld) was what lead to the creation of the August 6 “Bin Laden Determined to Attack the US” PDB. Having gone to the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, and the National Security Advisor and gotten no action, the CIA’s only hope was to present (basically the same) briefing to Bush…. who brushed it off as well.
2) Rice wanted Ashcroft and Rummy briefed…. but not Powell? This is especially strange, given that Rice claims to believe that she wasn’t warned about attacks in the United States — Powell should have been in the loop, and Ashcroft less involved, if the operational assumption was that US interests abroad would be targetted…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 20
Why is she getting a bye? I can come up with at least one theory, but it is PI.
As Johnny Cash once said - “I didn’t vote for Mr. Bush - let’s leave it at that.”
OT — now to Foley scandal.
Matt Lauer interviews Scarborough, who is thoroughly disgusted with this situation. (I think a Congressman with Scarborough’s background should be a bit more judicious, even if it helps our case, but hey, you go with the pundits you have, not the pundits you want.)
They both discuss Denny Hastert being “thrown under the bus”, using exactly that phrase.
Cinches it. All that’s missing are the print casts from the treadmarks on Denny’s back.
I never knew that Patty Wetterling had an 11-year-old son that was abducted in 1989 and never found…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5405596.stm
Steve at 26 — because they told a few reporters they would be going through the records prior to going to the Archives, apparently they were stuck reporting what they had found — knowing that someone else could also search through the records and look as well at some point. Andrea Mitchell had a definite “gotcha” tone to her reporting on this, and she rarely gets that with the Bush Administration — it’s usually sorrow or regret that I get from her on these sorts of stories. Condi and her spokespeople had been doing pretty substantial pushback interviews on this for the entire day before they went to the archives…and the fact that they had to walk all of that back a bit was a big deflation.
Welcome to the Internet, A Tutorial for Reporters
The Old Media is older than we thought.
By Stephen Spruiell
The Mark Foley scandal has revealed something deeply troubling about the state of our news media: In the year 2006, most reporters are still either unable or unwilling to distinguish between e-mails and instant messages. And in this story, that’s a crucial difference. The e-mails Mark Foley sent to a former male page give off a creepy old man vibe, but don’t cross the line into sex-offender territory. The instant messages he sent to former pages, on the other hand, ooze slime from the monitor. (Note to reporters: That’s the thing you’re looking at right now.)
http://article.nationalreview......JlOTk1ZGI=
Ghostman @ 22
Absolutely true - the French figured it out when the hijackers were insistent on getting a full fuel load for the short hop from a city in southern France to Paris, which probably wasn’t more than 300 miles.
lina@19 I agree about the inside job. The inside job folks are the re-made UFO crowd. My own wacko thought from the new data is that they let an attack happen to further the PNAC agenda of Iraq to Syria to Iran. The attack was ordered from Baghdad would be the battle cry. They, however, didn’t dream of a 9/11 attack. Going to Afghanistan first really pissed them off.
Hate to be the Balrog of bad news, but Rasmussen poll today has Liarman up 50-40%. Someone please explain why this is an outlier.
Someone must have a plan to eradicate this injustice, right?
OT — and more Foley crap. Somebody pointed out at DKos yesterday and last night in threads that the FBI had not pulled all computer materials or contacted Foley’s attorney or Foley as of presser yesterday.
Somebody else (can’t recall whom, sorry, might have been John Casper?) said they’d heard DoJ folks might have been responsible for the tip-off to ABC. Possible, of course, but skepticism abounds these days about everything, especially when there are other potential explanations for the tip-off.
Didn’t occur to me last night when discussing this matter that this might explain why Fibbies didn’t rush to Foley’s computer, Foley or his attorney: they already had been watching Foley for a while and had everything they needed.
are Lamont and Liarman going to debate soon?
The GOP and the WH appear to be self-destructing at just the right moment — but I wonder if we’re being distracted by “peripheral” lying and scandal at a critical time.
What is the latest information about a possible “October surprise” strike on Iran?
Did I read somewhere that the carriers and mine sweepers, etc. have reached “battle ready” positions?
I saw a brief mention of an ammendent to a Defense bill, passed in just the last few days, that gave the president the right to control the states’ National Guards in case of national emergencies. (Sen Leahy objected to it)
I Googled and got a story about a former CIA agent named Mc Govern who has been saying that a war on Iran, timed for Bush’s political advantage, will be launched: (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/ 010606iranstrike.htm.)
I just can’t find much news about these things, and I’m very uneasy — Am I being paranoid? — It’s just that Bush seems absolutely certain of winning in November…
You don’t suppose it’s possible that the Bushie’s, knowing that Woodward’s book would not be complimentary, decided to leak the Foley scandal last week themselves to distract the public from more important things?
Like the Iraq war intelligence report or Condi’s slow/nonexistent response to terrorist warnings pre-9/11?
Paul at 28 — yes, the Powell non-briefing is a puzzle, unless he had already been briefed? Great questions, though — I’ve raised them up as an update on the post, so they don’t get lost in the comments — I’d LOVE to see some of the folks with access asking these. (Or perhaps seeing if Tenet would like to provide some answers in that book of his…*g*)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
Re: Phillip Glass, The soundtrack to “Kundun” is wonderfully relaxing, great movie too. I’m awfully fond of Powaqaatsi (sp?) but I take a few of the faster paced, more South American tunes out because they’re well…faster paced.
Balrog @ 36
Rasmussan is a right leaning poll. But the Q Poll isn’s much better. Sorry to say.
OfT WaPo’s Howard Kurtz went with a lot of one of Jane’s posts last night
I think this is important, because Kurtz imho has been pretty much of a WH apologist. He was the guy Jim
Church LadyBrady used to try and get Xerox Ben Domenech through the gauntlet before he “resigned.”The more that gets exposed about the Bush regime, the better it is. Knoweledge is power. That’s why it’s imperative to take back the house. To investigate the doings of this evil crew, get that into the hands of committes who can hold them accountable, and put safeguards in place to prevent it from happening again.
I truly hope that once all this comes out, this regime will be held up as the antithesis of what American stands for.
Condi, just like her Repug colleagues in the Predatorgate scandal follows “the Book”.
You know, that ol’ Karl Rove Repug Playbook.
OK, let’s just check and see how Condi is doing on that Repug Playbook:
1. Never fess up. - Check
2. Tell ‘em you can’t remember. - Check
3. Lie. - Check
4. Blame the victim. - Check
5. Blame the Democrats. - Coming Soon
6. Hideout in Rehab. - Coming Soon
OK, almost all bases covered!
Keep working on it Condi baby! I know it’s hard, but it’s worth it!
CHS@32..Thanks
Ashcroft’s avoidance of non-chartered flights after mid-July of 2001 has been referred to often recently. Although it might be common knowledge, I myself did not know that. Can one of you people cite one of the original sources on that for me??
Thanks in advance.
Rayne at 30 — The WaPo has a Denny Getting Thrown Under the Bus story today as well. I think it’s time to go searching for a good picture of some burnt toast to have on hand…although, you never know, Denny might have a secret or two up his sleeve as payback for Reynolds, Boehner and Shimkus (a girl can dream, anyway…).
And finally, back on topic:
Remember that the White House took the unprecedented move of replacing the National Archivist.
I would encourage caution, not get hopes up too high about substantive materials being consistent or even found that would support OUR side of the case…
And didn’t Ashcroft, after seeing Tenet’s presentation and switching to private flights, still propose a large cut in the counter-terror budget for the DOJ just prior to 911?
As long as we are asking questions: Why did Ashcroft crawl out of the lobbying dung pile and act pissy about not being briefed? We now know he and Rumsfeld we both briefed. Why didn’t he say nothing?
lina (19), the CIA, along with Richard Clarke, was communicating to the Administration that intelligence pointed to the fact the U.S. was going to be attacked by Al Qaeda. The communication problem was because the Decider did not decide to communicate these warnings to the appropriate agencies. Too many facts were not tied together by too many responsible parties but we know the salient fact is that the Administration was warned but did nothing. How contemptible this has to be for the suffering victims of the 9/11 terrorists, here and abroad.
Steve at 52 — because Ashcroft supposedly has a book coming out shortly and he figured any publicity is good publicity? *g*
Rayne@50..somewhat OT but there is a major push by the Bush admin. to (gov’t phrase) de-access records. Bush has ordered the EPA libraries to be closed and the records to be de-accessed. The de-accessing process involves putting records into boxes and dumping them randomly into large warehouses. (makes it hard to prosecute polluters)
Easy to figure out whether there was a plot here: Are major shredding trucks all booked up in November in the greater Washington, DC area?
And what about electronic shredding? Also busy in November?
Remember, these guys thought and may still think they will rule without accountability forever. If they’re not so confident now, we’re going to see lots of shredding trucks pulling up to Washington offices before January.
I walk my kids to school past the house of one of the four guys in town who never came home on the night of 9/11. I remember, on 9/12, the cars from out of state that had evidently arrived overnight; the baby’s stroller on the front porch; the half-finished landscaping that had been begun over the summer.
I remember thinking, How could this have happened–someone, somewhere, had to have been warned, someone had to have known…
Like so many people, I can’t look at the Manhattan skyline without seeing ghosts.
And, five years and so many more deaths later, the secrets continue to dribble out. Yes, the people whose job it was–is–to protect us were warned. And did nothing; no actually, maybe they ridiculed Ashcroft for taking Tenet seriously. “We don’t swat flies.”
I can well believe that, in her own mind, Condi Rice believe it is incomprehensible that she sat there with Tenet in July 01, heard that presentation and did nothing. She cannot accept the weight on her conscience–who could? But that is what happened.
sonate….I can’t point you to any source, but Ashcroft abandoning commercial flights was in alot of newspapers. I can recall reading of it in the Dallas Morning news, for instance. I think the reasoning at the time was that “he” might be a target of the bad guys, foreign or domestic.
Ghostman
Alison@56..see 55..shredding trucks aren’t needed, de-accessing the records is just as effective and cheaper.
I have a ton of questions about all of this…
Why did we have to learn about this from a book published 5 years after the fact?
Who made the decision not to include any mention in the Commission Report of the July 10, 2001 meeting? How are lessons learned from mistakes if all of the mistakes are not revealed?
When the 9/11 Commission Report came out, and the July 10, 2001 meeting wasn’t in it, where were George Tenet and Cofer Black?
Why does it appear that every effort was made to protect Rice from any share of the blame?
Who decided that there was nothing to be gained from the president, vice-president and cabinet members having to face the truth that they screwed this up, and screwed it up badly?
Was this another political decision? And if so, who made it?
Who decided it was okay to blame the FBI and the CIA, but the people whose job it was to make decisions on the intelligence they were provided get a pass?
Am I the only person who, when I watched Rice’s public testimony, felt like I was watching incompetence in action?
At what point does one’s duty as a citizen transcend book sales?
What else is missing from the Commission Report that we don’t know about? And how long will it be before someone finally tells us what those missing pieces are?
djinn @ 57
With respect, she is a pathological liar which is easily seen in all the continued claims about WMD, and the alleged association between Al Quaeda and Saddam the most prominent.
You are not alone in continuing to feel the personal pain. A group cheered each 9-12 returnee from NYC at the train station as each retrieved his or her automobile. There’s now a bronze plaque at that station with the names of those who didn’t make it out. I walk past it every day.
Ghostman (58):
October 4th, 2006 at 6:36 am
” I can recall reading of it in the Dallas Morning news, for instance.”
Thanks. I’ll try and check it out.
Tom Friedman (Times Select) has an article this morning declaring he wants the Democrats to win by only one vote in both the House and the Senate because a slim margin will force the Democrats to govern from the center. I somewhat agree because as much as I want the Democrats to win, this country cannot afford the abuse of overreaching power again by any party.
Steve @ 35
9.11 required some very sophisticated planning or massive amount of luck to pull that off… or what you dismiss… some “help” from people on the “inside”.
What I do know is that the 9.11 commission did not reveal what when down that day. The truth is still out there.
When you look at how the Nixon and Regan players are recycled again to raise up the unitary exective and re asset USA hegemony around the world.. you can see the events as orchestrated to have the USA erase the memory of failure in Vietnam. Eve Hnery the K is trying to got a re do on the war thingy!
People who lust for the kind of power that these guys play with… and the amount of money to be made.. nothing is off the table. We are not even pawns in their game…
I wouldn’t put anything past these guys up there on top. ANYTHING.
From the McClatchy article:
Genoa, Italy. The meeting where they set up air defenses because they were worried about terrorist attacks using airplanes. (One of the incidents mentioned when everyone was realizing what a lie Condi’s “no one could have imagined” was.)
The threat to that meeting was what Rice was focused on after the briefing.
She was National Security Advisor, be she only got really worked up about protecting Georgie’s ass.
From www.thinkprogress.org
Grrrrr.
Rayne @ 50
Rayne, I wanted to raise this question with Sydney Blumenthal on Sunday, but arrived too late and my questions have gone unanswered.
Does anyone know if the National Archivist has any oversight? And is it possible for Weinstein to rewrite the history on the Bush Junta.
OT- Fox News now reporting that Foley is a Democrat ….
And I’d like to know more about why Ashcroft stopped taking commercial planes prior to the attacks.
No one will take responsibility for their own imcompetance…least of all Bush, Cheny, Rummy, Rice, Ascroft, Powell, even Tenet. People in those positions only accept GLORY and shove off responsibility for failure on their staff or others… never ever their own failings.
worried sick @ 39
You have a while more to bite your nails… the USS Eisenhower and its battle group are due to leave Norfolk today (that’s presuming they’ve gotten their rush-rush done to finish up what they need to be seaworthy). They are supposed to be on station off the coast of Iran by Oct. 21st.
Anne @ 60
She was head of national security during the worst national security failure in our country’s history. In any sane administration, she would have been fired as soon as the immediate crisis was over, along with the Secretary of Defense, at minimum.
The Condi Tenet Black meeting appears to have been reported by Time in 2002.
Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? Time Magazine August 4, 2002
ccmask@31: Residents of Minn & surrounding states haven’t forgotten Jacob Wetterling. CNN aired Patty’s ad yesterday & Joe Scarborough last night with NO mention of the Wetterling tragedy or Patty’s work to protect children. Patty’s ad has probably been aired elsewhere in msm. If so, has anyone seen if Jacob has been mentioned?
Apologies in advance if I cover something already stated above, this is a sneak posting from work……………….
Following the State Dept confirmation of the July 10 meeting, I read a comment on Think Progress that it occurred in the same time frame as the FBI Phoenix Memo (terrorists in flight school).
I have a strong feeling that Tenets staff did in fact “connect-the-dots”. If so, some high level people committed serious offenses of omission or dereliction.
via digby - an excerpt from a letter discovered in the raid that killed zarqawi:
“The most important thing is that the jihad continues with steadfastness and firm rooting, and that it grows in terms of supporters, strength, clarity of justification, and visible proof each day. Indeed, prolonging the war is in our interest, with God’s permission.”
Sally #63 — I could agree after a Dem win of the White House in 2008, but not before then, for one reason:
Joe Lieberman.
If both houses of Congress become a Democratic majority, investigations and hearings into misconduct and incompentence in governance will begin. The biggest of all is the conduct of the White House.
And Joe could not be counted on to caucus with the Dems if the majority was only one vote.
It is imperative that Ned Lamont win in CT, and that a Democratic majority in each house be more than one vote. A 2/3 majority would be a bit much to ask, nearly a dream, but between now and 2008, it represents the best scenario to undo the damage and protect our democracy.
After 2008, I’d really like to see a viable third party emerge, not just a scant majority.
sonate,
don’t know if the source is covered (probably, this guy’s thorough) but try googling Paul Thompson, who has produced (on the toobz and in book form) the definitive 9/11 timeline.
I imagine he will be frantically updating as we type.
DefJef @ 6″
You couldn’t be more on spot with your observation. It is revolting to think that somebody actually desires to be in a war situation, but all the actions of our government speak to that conclusion.
It is telling that the motives for starting the war are shrouded in secret. As with so many things, the answer is “follow the money”. The war would be a bonanza for the reconstruction industry even without war profiteering. But profiteering makes it twice as sweet for the Haliburton’s in this case. The true interests we are protecting in Iraq are the interests of the reconstruction and defense industry - democracy is just a smokescreen.
susan @ 67
The archivist is an administrative position, and I doubt he could mess with the contents of the archives in any official way (letting people plant stuff there clandestinely and illegally, sure.)
But there are a lot of dedicated professionals who work at the Archives and the Library of Congress. Think of the librarians with the Patriot Act — I find it hard to believe that in the current climate, much would get past them without it coming out.
Why would al-queda possibly want to kill Bush? If their goal is the destruction of the United States, they have the perfect candidate already in office.
BQ, Sonate — think you’re looking for Cooperative Research’s 9/11 Timeline.
Absolutely the best source; I used it as a source for two links above.
Redshift 65—Thanks! I’ve been looking for that paragraph for the last 10 minutes, driving me nuts. Unable to find it.
Put the action about Bush together with the Ashcroft bit and you come to the same conclusion that the torture bill pardon provisions force you to: these people look after themselves first, and only.
Sally @ 63
I have to ask first: what is Tom Friedman smoking? George W. Bush won in 2000 by only a single vote.
Also, from talking to staffers in my Blue-State Rep’s office over the past year, they are steaming from years of having absolutely, positively no power in the House. There is exactly 0 chance they are going to play nice even if the margin is only one vote. Maybe Tom Friedman should get out there and talk to someone on the ground once in a while.
BQ (77)
October 4th, 2006 at 6:54 am
Thank you.
#16 “I’d really like to see and am hoping that the ‘Jersey Girls’ regroup to hammer this story. It would seem to be their ‘mushroom cloud.”
We are all the ‘Jersey Girls’ now.
I believe that we have all had our mushroom cloud. I have commented over and over that the Dem leadership has be negligent in getting the truth out over the MSM. We are preaching to the choir in the blogs. We simply must get this information out to people who do not read progressive blogs.
If the leadership won’t do it, it is up to us. Is it time that we start holding demonstations outside our local television and radio stations and newspaper offices? Is it time to march on the major networks in New York? It may very well be that the only way to break through the ‘glass doors’ of the MSM is with rocks and sledgehammers.
montag @ 70
And if Iran doesn’t work, these many years later there’s North Korea which John Bolton is threatening.
Defjef@64..anything could be possible with these criminals; however, I think the inside help was an active decision to do nothing about the threat. Where they went wrong was to underestimate the ability of “A-rabs” to hit multiple targets. Which resulted in the need to do Afghanistan before Iraq and screwed up the war schedule.
Sally @ 63
The Republicans already control the Executive and Judicial branches.
I believe the era of the Republican filibuster is just around the corner.
Sally @ 85
Unfortunately, NK seems to be obliging him….
Uncertainty was probably their best defense against an attack, and they seem to be throwing that advantage away.
The nomination process of the National Archivist was changed a couple of years ago. A depoliticized process was eliminated, the Clinton appointee was removed, and Bush put in his own guy, Weinstein. Here’s a link from the Nation, and one from the Special Libraries Association.
The kicker is the one from the Society of American Archivists. They knew what kind of danger this was.
The blood of every single 9/11 victim is all over every one of these Bushco fucks. My god how can they live with themselves!
thanks Rayne,
I was surprised it wasn’t in my bookmarks.
thanks to you, now it is ;-)