...but acceptance of responsibility for failures? Nada. Zip. Zero. Zilch.
Republican Speaker of the House Denny Hastert continues his Sergeant Shultz defense -- he apparently knows nothing. Oh, excuse me, he's "been saying that he doesn't remember [Republican Rep. Tom Reynolds] telling him" anything. (See the above YouTube. H/T to Ctblogger.)
Rep. Tom Reynolds, the NRCC Chair for House Republicans, is pointing the finger directly at Denny Hastert, according to the NYTimes:
The case has led to varying accounts from two members of the leadership. Representative Thomas M. Reynolds of New York, who runs the House Republican campaign effort and is in a close race, has acknowledged learning generally about Mr. Foley’s initial e-mail messages this past spring. Mr. Reynolds has said he raised the matter with Mr. Hastert, who said he did not recall the exchange but did not dispute that it happened.“I did what most of us would have done in the workplace,” Mr. Reynolds told reporters in Amherst, N.Y., on Monday night. “I heard something, I took it to my supervisor.”
Rep. John Boehner, Republican Majority Leader of the House, is also pointing a finger at Hastert, who is looking increasingly like the "scapegoat most likely to be hit by a bus."
From the ABCNews Political Radar blog:
"I believe I talked to the Speaker and he told me it had been taken care of," said Boehner. "And, and, and my position is it's in his corner, it's his responsibility. The Clerk of the House who runs the page program, the Page Board—all report to the Speaker. And I believe it had been dealt with."Please note that by saying that he talked with the Speaker about Foley, Boehner is reversing course and going back to his original position.
On Friday, Boehner told the Washington Post that he "had learned in late spring of inappropriate e-mails Foley sent to the page, a boy from Louisiana, and that he promptly told Hastert, who appeared to know already of the concerns. Hours later, Boehner contacted The Post to say he could not be sure he had spoken with Hastert."
According to today's radio interview, Boehner has gone back to saying that he did talk to Hastert about Foley.
Looks like it is every Republican for him or herself.
Speaking of herselfs, a local West Virginian has been sucked into the mix on this, with Rep. Shelly Moore Capito being the other GOP representative on the page board. She's been telling anyone in the local media here who will listen that she was out of the loop on this (you know, just like she was out of the loop about Jack Abramoff, and Tom DeLay, and KStreet and...). But that does raise a pretty good question: why did GOP Rep. Shimkus go to the RNCC chair Reynolds, rather than talking to his fellow Page Board members? Ahhhh...hello rug, allow me to try and sweep under you.
The LATimes is asking some questions about Rep. Tom Reynolds' current chief of staff -- Foley's former Chief of Staff -- Kirk Fordham:
Another former staffer said it was an oft-repeated story around Capitol Hill that Foley's former chief of staff, Kirk Fordham, would sometimes accompany the congressman to keep him out of trouble.Fordham represents a link between Foley and House GOP leaders. Shortly after leaving Foley's office last year, he became chief of staff to Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds (R-N.Y.), chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee.
Reynolds has said he was told this spring about the e-mails that sparked the initial complaint about Foley.
Fordham has not responded to repeated requests for comment from The Times.
Word is that Fordham was loaned out to Foley by Reynolds when this scandal started to break. And that Fordham may have attempted to negotiate directly with ABC's Brian Ross to keep the contents of the perverted e-mails out of any story in exchange for Foley's cooperation with an interview. Glenn has some great questions on this.
And I didn't think I would be saying this, but Jim VandeHei and Dan Balz have some great coverage on the Foley scandal and its tie-in to all of the Republican mess and scandals and election issues for November -- and it is well worth a read this morning.
...Republicans are bracing for ads that link previous scandals with the Foley case and ask, "Had enough?" Several strategists said this could be devastating in tight races. The most optimistic scenario offered by GOP strategists is that no new information surfaces and the controversy ends in the next five weeks.Republicans have designated state Rep. Joe Negron as the substitute candidate in Florida's 16th District, even as Boehner and others denigrate his prospects.
Republicans say they are in grave danger of losing the seat of former House majority leader Tom DeLay (Tex.), as well as those held by Rep. Robert W. Ney (Ohio) -- who agreed to plead guilty to corruption charges in the investigation into the activities of convicted former lobbyist Jack Abramoff -- and Rep. Don Sherwood (Pa.), who has been embroiled in a scandal over an affair.
In addition, Republicans have largely given up on holding the seat of retiring Rep. Jim Kolbe (Ariz.), and strategists are pessimistic about retaining open seats in Colorado and Iowa and the seat now held by Rep. John N. Hostettler (Ind.).
Some Republicans also said Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds (N.Y.), the NRCC's chairman and one of the GOP leaders who knew about a non-graphic communication between Foley and a former page, could face an even tougher challenge for his Buffalo area seat. Reynolds and Hastert sniped at each other over the weekend about who knew what and when.
Why, now that you ask, yes, I have had enough!
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blame game!
fitz -
Wow, just snuck in ahead of that speedy lina.
Looks like we’re gonna need a bigger bus
great round up, christy - thank you, my head’s been spinning trying (and failing) to keep up!
OT back to Tenet…
Why doesn’t anyone ask Tenet about the meeting?
His new book, which he got $4M, entitled
“In the Center of the Storm” is due out
in February 2007….
If you were the publisher, perhaps it may
be advantageous to expedite, with all the
buzzing…
Jack
I wonder of Tenet has yet realized four million dollars doesn’t wash blood off of hands.
I guess the bigest problem for the repigs now is God didn’t provide them with more fingers!
Firedoglake:
the foley stuff is good old-fashioned politics and important to the outcome of the election but
could you folks also include at some point soon a column on the lamont lieberman race that covers not just one event or one short timeperiod but what has gone on there in the last several weeks, i.e., a sort of overview.
thanks
re Foley cover up: The NYT editorial today called the need for Republicans to hold on to power, above all else, their “decayed purpose.” I loved that description.
c-span1 looks like all-foley-all-the-time today
reynolds up now….
selise at 6 — I’ve been trying to piece all of this together for the last two hours. There’s a lot more, but it’s such a mess and I’m still trying to thread together the rest of the narrative. In all honesty, I cannot believe that all of these GOP leaders knew about bits and pieces of all of this for months and none of them thought about the ramifications of how this would look — let alone that their responsibility ought to have been to the safety of these pages first and foremost with party considerations a distant second — it boggles my mind. And the fact that they haven’t come out, taken responsibility for failures and put together a comprehensive plan on this rather than this piecemeal, finger-pointing dodge-and-weave on accountability? Sheesh…
Yesterday, I asked a member of our university staff who is quite aware of the world politically what she thought about the developing scandal about Foley and Hastert.
“What’s that?” she asked.
Do we have any idea how much further this must go before it really seeps into the American consciousness?
For those who wish the focus were on 9/11, Iraq, and Afghanistan, however, I believe that as it develops, this issue will be the one that unglues Republicans from their safe legislative seats.
Child predation and coverup.
That’s so easy.
If Hastert resigns, that will really get the issue going.
In short, one big revelation every 4 days is what I hope for. Just 5 weeks to D-Day now.
orion at 10 — we’ve got something in the works. :)
The Bay State Librul @ 7
I’ve been wondering why tenet isn’t asked myself
doesn’t make much sense at all
i want to find out who else was at the breifing
Aravosis thinks they’ve all agreed to let Hastert take the fall for this. And once both the Washington Times and WorldNetDaily call for your head–your remaining time asa Republican Speaker is probably measured in hours.
They can’t be off the hook once Hastert goes. Reynolds let his chief of staff actively try to cover this up last week. Shimkus abdicated his responsibility as chair to investigate (regardless of what Hastert ordered) and inform the rest of the page committee.
In all honesty, once blame is pinned on Hastert as where the buck stops, it’s hard for me to see what gets pinned on Boehner and Alexander, other than shrugging his shoulders from the beginning. And that, I think, will be easier to get away with once Hastert’s done. But maybe someone will remind me of something active they’ve done. (Not excusing the shoulder-shrugging, just realistically trying to evaluate what’s likely to stick and what’s not.)
But overall I’m not so sure Hastert resigns. Do so and you’ve pretty much signed the confession in front of you: “The GOP Leadership of the House had no interest in protecting its young pages from a sexual predator.” That’s so bad I think they’d rather tough it out and take their chances at the trial in November.
I read somewhere that the issues with Foley had been withheld from both Dem page managers and Dem pages. Anyone got a linky?
Lets see… what is the excuse du jur
-”You could not imagine”…
-”Its pretty well confirmed”…..
-”I don’t remember”….
-”No, I haven’t read it yet”….
-”We are so sensitive of the feelings of Gays”…
Oh I forgot one….. “Its All Clintons fault”….
EPU’d from downstairs (OT for this thread)
Dr. Bong @ 184
selise @
6
Really agree, it’s a very tight round up of the most salient points of a very rapidly escalating story.
Watergate was never this much “fun”. After the torture vote, I was in a total funk, but then this broke and the wall of water contiues to pour in. I commented to one of my atheist friends yesterday that god really does have a sense of humor. He agreed. The problem is that it is very dry humor, with much irony, and so they don’t get it on the right.
When the Bushies finally prevailed in the 2000 election, the Pollyanna in me said, “these guys are going to screw up so bad that they will kill the Republican Party for years to come. We will watch the 19th Century go through its final death thoes with these guys at the helm.” I had no idea that it would take six years to get here, and I never allowed myself to think that Bush would be as bad as he has been. I kept hoping I was wrong and that those media folks who said what a great guy he was were right. Unfortunately I live in Texas and had him for a governor before the whole country got him, but Pollyanna kept hoping . . .
Twisted Martini @ 18
ya,that was pointed out yesterday on one of the threads, i forget which one though
Prof @ 14
you bring up an interesting consideration from the GOP perspective. What’s worse: Letting this continue to drip for the next 30 days, with Hastert still in place? Or all the negative publicity of Hastert stepping down?
I’d like to hear Siun’s opinion on this vis-a-vis media crisis management.
Let me amplify what prof said #14. I drive to work and have the Boston AM News/Weather/Traffic station on. It’s not (actively) conservative; it’s the sort of AM news station every big city has. Not a single word has been said about this, even on Friday.
That’s the other reason I don’t think Hastert will resign. It will definitely break through then.
A C-Span caller explained this morning that this is all really Bill Clinton’s fault because he introduced the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. Oh, and the gays, remember to blame the gays. Victoria Clarke, the guest on the program, opted “not to connect the dots in that way”, but generally agreed with the caller.
Saw a reference to this at Daily Kos and had to go look for myself:
WorldNetDaily: GOP unworthy of governing. World Net Daily is a right-wing rag.
and then the founder and CEO of World Net Daily really gets going:
and this right-winger “gets it” about what was really going on in the minds of the Foley 5 Corrupt Leadership Team:
Christy Hardin Smith @ 12
They covered it up for a long time.
The longer it stayed hidden, the greater their comfort zone.
This went way down the list of things to worry about.
They were therefore unprepared, and now its every man for himself.
to echo linda ellerbee - and so it goes……
have you had enough fellow citizens?? if not why not? this is what you get when one party controls all three branches of government!! wake up sheeple the alert has been sounded!!
Is it just me, or has anyone else wondered if Rove has decided to throw the oviously tainted Hastert under the bus in order to keep us all occupied while they continue to build those Haliburton camps and plan their strike on Iran? I mean, think about it…Bush could call Hastert to the Oval Office, demand his resignation, shut most of this down, and Score points. Why aren’t they doing it?
Christy said:
Doesn’t look like a “putsch” can happen to Hastert given the requirements of a physical presence to vote at a Repug caucus and the fact they’re all out of town campaigning.
But it sure looks and sounds like Boehner is laying the groundwork for either a November coup when the house returns to its lame-duck session or Boehner, and others like Reynolds, are trying to spatter enough mud on Hastert that he chooses to resign now.
All of this of course, is nothing but intra-party chest-bumping. Stuff that is so besides the point.
After all, both Boehner and Reynolds are up to their eyeballs in closing ‘em when the issue of restraining Foley’s predation came up last spring.
Just because they both now claim to have passed the buck onto Hastert, doesn’t clean the shite off from their own hands about the responsibility for “doing something”!
Kind of funny in a way, 3 pigs wrestling in the mud and then arguing about who’s less dirty.
Guess that kind of argument is the gold standard for Repugs when all you have to ever choose from is dirty, dirtier and dirtiest.
Hastert doesn’t remember key meetings. Rice doesn’t remember key meetings. Can we change the Constitution to require a certain level of memory abilities for elected and appointed officials?
professor foland -
from previous thread….revdeb posted link to londonyank’s diary “20,000 Sailors Go To War - Massive US and Allied Naval Deployment” at dkos re iran war prep. we were both interested in your take… hype or something to be concerned about?
The GOP: Pubic Enemy Number One
As much as I love FDL, I have to admit that there are other players in the investigative and framing effort.
Among them, AmericaBlog is among the best, including their discussion of Reynolds’ Chief of Staff — the Svengali behind much of this.
The levees of protection and cover up have finally been breached and it’s every man for himself.
“No one could have foreseen…”
me to me @
16
Ok progressive people–it’s time to look at J. Bush’s Florida.
Rep. Feeney is up to his eyeballs in vote machine rigging. And
there is a homocide involved in this one. Maybe Foley under
pressure will out a lot more in Florida’s Congressional
Deligation and all the Bush bro’s.
Professor Foland @ 17
I don’t think its an agreement that folks have made, but a bunch of independent assessments that all came to the same conclusion: Hastert is toast. All that’s left is for the others to figure out the best way to keep themselves from getting burned.
Oh, and how to keep enough republicans in Congress to keep their majority.
And how to position themselves for the coming shuffle of the Republican leadership: Who will the new speaker be (at least until January, if not beyond)? Who will head up the party caucus? Foley was deputy whip - who gets his position?
And how to frame this as an abberation - one bad apple.
Republican leaders can point all the fingers at Foley they want, but the mess is a lot, lot bigger than sex. It’s not about a single bad apple. It’s a symptom of power-obsessed hacks whose interests are seriously misguided.
They are more interested in power than governing.
They are more concerned about winning elections than living up to the Constitution.
They are more worried about appearances than reality.
They are more focused on holding onto their perks than holding anyone (the executive branch, their own membership, war profiteers, etc) accountable.
Abuse such as Foley’s is about power, not sex. In that regard, this is merely another episode in the long and sordid story of the values of George Herbert Walker Bush’s Republican party.
So when do you suppose moral scold Lieberman will weigh in on Foleygate? He has always been very quick to chastise sinners before. . .
Next thing you know Deborah Howell will be fair and impartial.
Professor Foland @ 17
All great points Professor Foland. I would add that I think the key at this time is Reynolds’ use of “supervisor” language. People can go to jail for “negligence” wrt rape when it concerns Federal Sexual Harrassment and workplace laws. I think Reynolds put that on the table, once he said, “I took it to my supervisor.” My wild ass guess is that Hastert’s lawyers will urge him not to resign, because that could be construed as admitting that he was criminally negligent.
I think that bodes well for Democrats going into midterms. That keeps Republicans fighting each other. It also might induce Rove and others to start releasing negative stories about Hastert or whomever they want to take the fall.
Their biggest political mistake was not sharing whatever they had with the Democratic leadership and the Dems on the page board. Now they can’t claim it’s “bi-partisan.”
JimPreston @ 26
Really? So the page school is the Army, now, is it?
OT re Lieberman in NYC:
On the last thread, *xyz asked this week or next week…answer it’s
today Oct 3rd at 4:30pm in GCT.
Suggestions for best talking points to counter Joe with today?
Perhaps we need to hear from Mr. Trandahl…the former Clerk of the House who had all kinds of hands-on operations with the pages and things Gay and Republican in nature. He was shuffled off to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation a year ago that is knee deep in oil money. http://images.google.com/imgre.....n&sa=N
…he is also a member of the Republican Unity Group, a gay conservative coalition with Texas ties into the White House and the Republican gay politerratti…
..he was also in charge of “tutor” hiring/firing of some sort, Had intimate knowledge of the page program
….
http://members.tripod.com/secretpage_1/
Been poking around on the internet and found this stuff…
I think we are seeing Phase I of the GOP’s “Who is to blame for us losing control of Congress” spinfest. The Bush people don’t want the conventional wisdom answer to be “Bush’s fault. We rubberstamped his crappy policies and that lost us the majority.” Rove would much prefer that the blame for the loss belongs entirely to Hastert. And Republicans certainly don’t want the CW to be “well, Democrats just beat us. They’re better than we are.”
When they lose the majority, they’re going to be pissed. The Republicans are going to want scapegoats. Heads rolling. Long knives. Clearly apportioned heaps of blame. Purges.
Does it sound like Hastert is getting any legal advice?
Christie—so good to see the WV Dems firing back at Capito and asking the right questions—like how you couldn’t know if the warnings had been going out since 2002; why’d your felloe Rs ignore your existence on the Page Bd—how effective are you? Nick Casey, St. Dem Chair had a good news release yesterday. Maybe Callaghan can give her a run for her money (former fed. prosecutor and guy who had the cajones to do the right thing on more than one case I had withhim)
Call me stupid, but is it really up to Hastert whether he remains as Speaker? Speaker is not an elected position, but a job determined by a caucus of the House majority. So why is everyone assuming that it is up to Hastert to resign? Why can’t the Republicans caucus him out of the job? Wasn’t Delay forced out by his colleagues? Seems to me the longer they wait, the more the damage.
Again, stupid question.
meta @ 47
Minimally, it sounds like he’s doing a poor job listening to any legal advice he may be getting. Fine with me.
OJS at 49—you are right. Per CNN, the phones are ringing to members of the R caucus to come out supporting Hastert—please oh please oh please
Drifty’s got it - that is a story that needs to get slow and massive buildup and play to be ebbing as Foley may flow.
Rice got the urgent messge in July. Apparently, so did Rumsfeld and Ashcroft.
Rice has denied the meeting. So has Ashcroft (who emerges from lobbyland to hit the morning shows and get fluffed).
Rice’s state Dept now says - oops, sure she had a meeting. But she didn’t ignore it, she told them to go talk to Ashcroft and Rumsfeld.
Ashcroft quits flying except charters.
Bush make vacaction plans.
Then you have the pdb - that “historical” doc. Bush doesn’t read; Rice plays piano.
Then CIA flies an agent down to interrupt the President’s vacation and re-re-remention that something bad is about to happen.
Bush calls it cya and makes more vacation plans.
The 9/11 commission appoints Rice’s co-author and pal Zelikow to investigate. Not much comes out except finally the pdb. Zelikow and BenVeniste interview Tenet, who tells them about the meeting (maybe meetingS). Zelikow doesn’t mention them in he report and BenVeniste is directing questions on why to Mr Z (rhyme with V?)
Bush fights the commission and fights in particular having Rice testify. Does she mention the meeting in her private testimony? Bc she doesn’t in her public and Tenet offers to testify publically on the meeting, but is not taken up on that piece of the puzzle.
Bush timidly agrees to appear but only if he can have Dick Cheney sit next to him.
Don’t you just wonder if it’s all out, even now?
And don’t forget - Ashcroft’s COS was in the Abramoff emails, promising to try to quash the Marianna’s security report for Abramoff’s client and Ring is playing basketball with Ashcroft and promising Ashcroft’s help (despite those pesky “underlings” that Ashcroft has working for him)
Even though they make a merry little band all by themselves - Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Rice - you can’t help but wonder if they have anyone else invited to the party?
Last night I couldn’t sleep and tuned in here. I hazarded this guess:
So maybe what we’re seeing is not just lack of vigilance on the part of Hastert, or Reynold’s fear of losing a seat, but one loose piece of yarn in a big comfy sweater that will soon come unraveled.
I think that the reason they lost track of this one is that they are managing dozens of them: earmarks are dependent upon addiction and blackmail. Duke Cunningham’s prostitutes (male? female?) are not unrelated to Mark Foley’s emails.
snoboysdrift @ 38
Agreed. Foley was busy, busy, busy endorsing candidates all over Florida. And webmasters all over Florida have been busy, busy, busy scrubbing all mention of Foley from their websites. All Florida GOP candidates need to be asked if they took Foley money, and what they plan to do about it now. And they should be asked why they took the Foley endorsement off their websites. Make them have to explain it to the local Eyewitness News Team at their next little photo-op.
orangejumpsuit @ 49
Not stupid at all. My sense is that they want him to resign to preserve the appearance of party unity. My guess is that Boehner knows a lot more about this than Hastert. Boehner AFAIK, was Bugman’s hand picked successor and I think he really runs things, Denny is just a figurehead, for times like these. Denny may not be happy to take the fall for someone like Boehner and he (Denny) may know where a lot of “bodies are buried.” If so, there may be a lot of people who won’t vote him out.
My wild ass guesses at this time.
loubarr @ 51
I think that would be bad. For them. A move like that could be where the diehard wingnut base and the less brainwashed Republicans part company.
But speaking of this, have many of the House GOP caucus had anything to say about this, or are they all hiding under their beds and praying this will blow over?
Mary–we need a succinct summarist. h/t to Drifty and Mary for bringing it here..
Mary @ 52
I am just quoting to repost that, because it is sheer genious
G.O.P. = GROPING OUR PAGES
Raw Story is reporting the following: ABC to reveal who knew what, when… Soon…
Hastert’s not resigning.
There was a casual mention in one of the Abramoff letters, in the second PDF file, of keeping the DoJ people happy by giving them whatever they wanted - the letter was in connection to one of the frequent ticket requests - but it’s the list of ‘whatever they want’ that is really interesting. It includes limos and hookers. IIRC (it isn’t in front of me at the moment) drugs may also have been on that list. (I’ve also looked at the ‘octagon1′ letters. It looks like a personal e-mail name or a codename, apparently someone in the Middle East from the content.)
orangejumpsuit @ 49
The problem is that Congress is adjourned. If they get back together to caucus for the express purpose of firing the Number Three Man in the government for his incompetent bungling, that would be a huge story. It would be a mini-impeachment. Hastert is not some back-bench guy you can strong-arm out of there.
Caucusing gives the story new legs, and further distances it from Foley and makes it even more about the incompetent cover up. This is really a worst-case scenario for the Republican House.
So, whose idea was it to spirit Foley off to rehab? That really changed the whole dynamic. If he was still around, the story would be The Perv Congressman. But now it’s metastasized into something else.
Gonzales says they are only in a fact finding phase now…
cnn
driftglass
Breaking CNN…
Commercial airline hijacked over Greek air space…
More from Raw Story: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._1003.html
Cozumel– is this the suprise?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 67
That’s a great catch. It puts the focus squarely on this Rehab center he’s at supposedly for alcoholism. None of the IM messages I read sounded as though Foley was the least bit inebriated.
You need to see the actual Reynolds press conference. What a freak show. There’s video here
angie @ 68
Turkish plane, has landed in Italy…
Another Raw Story headline: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._1003.html
Developing story:
Gnome de Plume @ 22
I was a senior in high school during the Senate Select Committee hearings into Watergate, and it was absolutely riveting. There was plenty of humor when Sam Ervin and Howard Baker traded their country lawyer stories.
And Watergate inspired some wonderful bumper stickers, like “Free the Watergate 500.”
And Mr. NJ Progressive went to a Watergate party, where you came dressed as your favorite co-conspirator. He bought a red wig to go as Howard Hunt visiting Dita Beard in the hospital.
Ah, the good old days. When more of the media challenged authority.
angie @ 68
LOL Angie. Nice edit ; )
Christy, Christy, Christy,
these are the same souless wonders who allowed one of their own to read a statement in to the Congressional Record smearing this child
from the good Congressman’s statement:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001591.php
yeah I know, he’s Texan . . .
Cozumel @ 74
LOL and I just re- edited to take it out! It’s fun!
The paragraph I noticed in the LA Times story:
“Almost the first day I got there I was warned,” said Mark Beck-Heyman, a San Diego native who served as a page in the House of Representatives in the summer of 1995. “It was no secret that Foley had a special interest in male pages,” said Beck-Heyman, adding that Foley, who is now 52, on several occasions asked him out for ice cream.
Foley was elected in 1994. Sounds like he didn’t waste time. But that’s a lot of years of ignoring a problem, if the pages, and the interns, were being warned about him that long ago.
Exile on Ericsson St. @ 70
I competely agree. There are three youtubes and the audio is not great, but it is well worth it. The best part imho, is when the reporter asks Reynolds to ask the children to leave, so they can talk about “adult” issues. Reynolds wanted a photo op surrounded by parents with their children to obscure his rampaging negligence. It sounds as though his carefully orchestrated photo op could really backfire.
Reynolds presser -
Can You Say Human Shields ? I knew ya could
John Casper @ 9:00 am
Over how many months was Mark Foley sending instant messages?
In Mark Foley’s case, is his entering a rehabilitation center for alcoholism a euphemism for some other treatment that he’s receiving?
ET-
Don’t know if you are still here, but I ran your question by a legal eagle friend. Here is the response:
The answer is an emphatic “Yes.” From a statutory construction standpoint, he is most definitely “a possible enemy combatant.”
There is no escaping that conclusion. It is a black and white answer since the language is so broad.
However, from a constitutional standpoint, there are whole hosts of problems with LAWFULLY triggering any of the provisions of the Torture Act against him. See, Balkanization, Greenwald etc. or the Constitution, for that matter, but just for grins and giggles on that one.
The statute’s language sweeps more broadly than a Japanese fishing trawler. However, none of the provisions that could apply to ET’s situation are legally enforceable or constitutionally valid. That said, look who controls the DOJ, the Military and the Court system.
FWIW
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 80
Yes. It means that the whiskey was not well aged.
And N. Korea moves into position “North Korea said it would conduct its first nuclear test, and Washington warned it would respond to such an “unacceptable threat” to world peace.” (Reuters). Just as Japan wants to reverse it’s passive military, and there’s Dem. support in this response, won’t Iran feel left out.
OT - Larry King Live will be covering
FoleyGateHastertGate tonightP J Evans @ 77
I agree. Foley is “systematically targeting” underage pages over whom he has supervisory authority. That imo is another reason why Hastert’s exposure is so large. This is an unsafe workplace issue having to do with statutory rape.
DairyMaid, thank you very much.
angie @ 64
He went on to mention that anyone who actually finds a fact can look forward to being drugged, clothes cut off, and some time spent on vacation at an undislosed location.
This is America after all.
Here is is, Democrats. Here’s your nationalizing issue. Run against Hastert. He is an ugly, vile creature. Make him the face of the Republican party.
Here’s your message:
Republicans won’t fire Dennis Hastert. Democrats will.
Every Dem congressional candidate should run an ad showing a picture of their opponent and Denny Hastert. If your opponent is an incumbent, there’s a picture of him and Hastert out there. Demand Hastert’s resignation. Get a camera. Do it now. Start running the ad tomorrow. Make your opponent either defend Hastert or run away from him. Do it now. Because Hastert may be gone on Friday. But if you get that message out there, and they fire him anyhow, it’ll look like they’re doing it in response to Democrats. Like they’re scared of Democrats. Don’t let them arrange an easy exit for Hastert. Make it nasty.
Christy - here’s more information in response to a question you raised on the prior thread, but first, this breaking news from MSNBC:
Police: Amish-school gunman told wife he molested someone 20 years ago.
Here’s a link to a related story that will provide you with more information: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15113706/
Josh nailed it quite succinctly last night -
Let’s see: Who replaces Hastert?
They can’t pick Boehner — he’s tainted by PredatorGate.
They can’t pick Reynolds — he’s tainted by PredatorGate.
They can’t pick Dreier — he’s about as straight as Foley, and that’s not going to bring the evangelicals back to the fold.
In fact, they can’t pick anyone who’s been in the GOP House leadership over the past five years, because that person will have been tainted by the Foley scandal.
So who do they pick? Henry Hyde?
Excuse me?! Henry “Homewrecker” Hyde? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I don’t think so.
If they had any brains, they’d go with Walter Jones, but they won’t because he’s no longer marching in lockstep with BushCo.
John Casper @ 9:11 am -
I agree. Foley is “systematically targeting” underage pages over whom he has supervisory authority. That imo is another reason why Hastert’s exposure is so large. This is an unsafe workplace issue having to do with statutory rape.
How many other Congressmen do you think face exposure, its magnitude notwithstanding?