
UPDATE: Well, this is odd -- why does the Page Alumni website now have a disclaimer statement that reads: "Because of the current situation. I am shutting down the board until I can provide a proper statement about my part in what has been going on. I appreciate your patience." What is THAT about? (H/T to Meta for the find.)
The Republican Leadership in the House is trying to pull a fast one on the public and the press. But I'm not buying. And neither is Glenn:
...The letter sent by Hastert to the DOJ yesterday does not ask for an investigation into the issue at the heart of this scandal -- namely, whether GOP House leaders failed to take action against Foley despite having ample reason to suspect strongly, if not fully know about, Foley's predatory behavior with underage pages. To the contrary, Hastert's letter has two overriding and clear purposes: (1) to exclude this wrongdoing engaged in by Hastert and the GOP House leadership from the DOJ investigation; and (2) to demand instead a criminal investigation into the parties responsible for the disclosure of the Foley story generally and the wrongdoing of Hastert and company specifically.For that reason, Hastert's letter is plainly designed to bolster the cover-up, to intimidate those who have revealed information about this scandal, and to deter those who might come forward with more information. The letter worsens the scandal because it itself is corrupt....
Worse, the Boehner machinations in the House, flipping Nancy Pelosi's direct call for a full and immediate investigation into a possible maybe investigation:
Majority Republicans engineered a House vote Friday that refers the Foley matter to the House ethics committee, but lets that panel decide whether there should even be an investigation.Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, the House Democratic leader, pressed the committee on Sunday to begin investigating and make a preliminary report within 10 days. She demanded to know who knew of the messages, whether Foley had other contacts with pages and when the Republican leadership was notified of Foley's conduct.
"Republican leaders have admitted to knowing about Mr. Foley's outrageous behavior for six months to a year, and they chose to cover it up rather than to protect these children," she wrote. (emphasis mine; H/T Prof)
If the House Ethics Committee feels like getting around to it after the month long Congressional GOP-scheduled paid campaign vacation break, that is...well, it sure looks to me like we've entered phase two of the GOP strategy to take the CYA train, with the stall and cover-up maneuvers in high gear.
Let's do some analysis on Hastert's letter and see exactly what was written, shall we? From Roll Call:
“Former Representative Mark Foley resigned from the House of Representatives on Friday, September 29, 2006, after improper and illicit communications between Mr. Foley and former House pages were made public. While the House of Representatives on that day voted to refer this matter to the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct for investigation, they do not have jurisdiction over federal law or over him upon his resignation from office.“As Speaker of the House, I hereby request that the Department of Justice conduct an investigation of Mr. Foley's conduct with current and former House pages to determine to what extent any of his actions violated federal law.
Okay, so this starts out well, I suppose -- put the emphasis on former GOP Rep. Foley, his alleged conduct, and any alleged violations of law which may have occurred. It would have been better had someone in the GOP leadership done this referral six to eleven months ago when these allegations surfaced (as CREW did when they received the e-mails and immediately referred the matter to the FBI, fyi).
But hey, no one is perfect, right? And I'm certain that a man with such a stellar reputation for digging in to find out the truth no matter the consequences to himself or his party as Denny Hastert wants the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in this investigation. Right? Um...not so fast.
“As I am sure you are aware, there are two different and distinct communications at issue here. First, Mr. Foley sent an email to a former page of Representative Alexander in the fall of 2005. This email was determined to be "over friendly" by Representative Alexander's office but was not sexual in nature. Second, based on media reports, there is a different set of communications which were sexually explicit instant messages which Mr. Foley reportedly sent another former page or pages. These communications, of which no one in the House Leadership was aware to my knowledge, reportedly were sent sometime in 2003.
Let's pick this apart bit by bit. Hastert makes it seem as though the two sets of e-mails/IMs are separate and distinct. But that is not the case. As any person who has ever dealt with an investigation of potential sexual harassment/child sexual abuse and/or solicitation knows, you are most often dealing with a person who has a prediliction for a certain mode of behavior...which they can and often do act on multiple times, but often in a similar pattern of behavior.
You may have the same screen name used in the grooming, pick-up or other communications -- something that would be used in court as evidence should any criminal charges be filed. You may have the same IP address -- was the Congressman using his Congressional computer and/or blackberry or other official trackable devices? Who knew about the "send me a picture" set of e-mails and who knew about the "do I make you horny?" masturbate into a towel measure your penis set of e-mails? And why is Denny Hastert pretending that these are even remotely separate in terms of conduct of an adult who would be grooming a teenager or young child for some sort of sexual chat or worse?
(Look, I know the ick factor is high on this, but let's be honest: this happens in life. If you have children, you need to be aware of this -- and you need to take steps to talk with your children about internet predators. And you need to be honest with yourself, for your child's sake, about what these folks do. Rep. Foley asking a former page to measure his penis, discuss in graphic detail how the child prefers to masturbate and whether he is hard was not just some casual chitchat...no matter that Tony Snow says it was just "naughty e-mails." It's not naughty, it's disgusting, perverted, and wrong for a grown man to ask a child to talk about masturbation in graphic detail -- and Tony Snow would know that if he weren't more interested in playing GOP CYA than protecting children.)
Then Hastert says this:
“According to an Editor's Note that appeared on the St. Petersburg Times' website yesterday, the Times was given a set of emails from Mr. Foley to Representative Alexander's former page in November of 2005. (See "A Note From the Editors" located at http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz /, visited on September 30, 2006). The editors state that they viewed this exchange as "friendly chit chat" and decided not to publish it after hearing an explanation from Representative Foley. Acting on this same communication, the Chairman of the House Page Board and the then Clerk of the House confronted Mr. Foley, demanded he cease all contact with the former page as his parents had requested, and believed they had privately resolved the situation as the parents had requested.
Hastert attempts to minimize the Foley conduct by using the words of a newspaper editor to say that it was "friendly chit chat." Which, in turn, is an attempt to minimize his culpability and that of the rest of the GOP leadership for sweeping the Foley matter under the "cover up Uncle Pervy" rug. Foley's e-mails to the page from Louisiana were, at best, creepy -- and ought to have raised some red flags for further inquiry. And with more pages coming forward with revelations every day that they were warned by page staffers about Rep. Foley's alleged "friendly advances," I have to start asking myself what it would have taken to get Denny Hastert's attention on this. The protection of the children involved should have been the primary concern -- not the cover-up. Period.
Hastert continues:
“Unlike the first communication, the second communication was a set of instant messages that contained sexually explicit statements and were reportedly generated three years ago. Last week, ABC News first reported these sexually explicit instant messages which led to Representative Foley's resignation. These sexually explicit communications warrant a criminal referral in two respects. Initially, since the communications involve interstate communications, there should be a complete investigation and prosecution of any federal laws that have been violated. In addition, since the communications appear to have existed for three years, there should be an investigation into the extent there are persons who knew or had possession of these messages but did not report them to the appropriate authorities. It is important to know who may have had the communications and why they were not given to prosecutors before now.“Therefore, I also request that the Department undertake an investigation into who had specific knowledge of the content of any sexually explicit communications between Mr. Foley and any former or current House pages and what actions such individuals took, if any, to provide them to law enforcement. I request that the scope of your investigation include any and all individuals who may have been aware of this matter-be they Members of Congress, employees of the House of Representatives, or anyone outside the Congress.
“Your attention to this serious matter is appreciated. I am also sending to the Department of Law Enforcement for the State of Florida a request to investigate whether or not any state laws were violated by Mr. Foley or anyone else with respect to this matter.”
Oh,. golly gee, the news madia found out some information by immediately digging into this story and investigating it rather than just setting it aside and hoping it would go away until after the election. So now we are forced by the media to deal with this, we'd like you, investigating people, to look into who may have released these e-mails and to prosecute them, too, if you can. Yes, you read that correctly. Look at this phrasing:
...In addition, since the communications appear to have existed for three years, there should be an investigation into the extent there are persons who knew or had possession of these messages but did not report them to the appropriate authorities. It is important to know who may have had the communications and why they were not given to prosecutors before now....
Therefore, I also request that the Department undertake an investigation into who had specific knowledge of the content of any sexually explicit communications between Mr. Foley and any former or current House pages and what actions such individuals took, if any, to provide them to law enforcement. I request that the scope of your investigation include any and all individuals who may have been aware of this matter-be they Members of Congress, employees of the House of Representatives, or anyone outside the Congress.
Looking for a convenient scapegoat and a way to turn the story, anyone?
I can understand wanting to get to the bottom of whatever has or has not happened -- I could have understood it more had this been requested immediately upon being notified that there might be a problem. But now federal authorities have also been asked to dig into any potential "blame the victims" evidence on former pages who may have been contacted by Rep. Foley as kids, and not disclosed the improper contacts out of fear or shame or whatever other personal factors may be involved in this.
These were children, being allegedly hit on by a 50-some year old elected Republican representative in Congress. Of the two, who was supposed to be the reponsible adult party in this? And with regard to the GOP leadership in the House or the teenage pages, who was responsible for ensuring the safety of these kids -- the teenagers or the adults who were supposedly in charge?
Accept some responsibility for hells sakes and do not blame the potential victims. Or find a convenient political scapegoat to change the subject. Hmmm, you ask, what's that?
Well, here's a news flash for the Republican leadership of the House: whether or not Foley is an alcoholic, that doesn't excuse years of inappropriate advances on young kids under your supposed care in the page program. Being a drunk doesn't make you like young kids, but it does make you sloppy about trying to hit on them. Any investigator who has worked these cases can tell you that. Try asking.
In fact, why didn't try asking a whole lot of these questions months ago? And why, now that the rest of us are asking questions, are you so much more concerned about pinning the blame on anyone but yourselves? News flash -- you were in charge, you swept it under the rug, you got caught, you face the consequences. Period.
It's called accountability. Look it up -- you clearly need a refresher.
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Christy!!!
Just deserts for all of them!
Yes, but, Hastert now gets to say,
“I am sorry — I can’t comment as there is an ongoing criminal investigation.”
That should be good for, say, six weeks.
Spotlight this to the media in Hastert’s district.
You build your machine on corruption, you’ll rust to the core soon enough.
As you said, they are our paid employees. I don’t know about you, but I am feeling like an “at will” employer right about now, and I’m no longer willing to let the Republican rulers foul the People’s House any longer. It is way past time to tell these freeloaders that it is time to hit the road. Elections are fine, mind you, but I’m more of a mind to take a hike up to the House chambers and escort some pork to the door via the shirt collar.
CNN poll:
“Do you think House leaders tried to cover up allegations that Republican Congressman Mark Foley exchanged sexually explicit e-mails with a 16-year-old former congressional page?”
No: 19%
Well, duh: 81%
immanentize — yeah, Hastert could try pulling that fast one, but a really good journalist could stop that in its tracks with the right question.
“Representative Hastert, you’ve asked for an investigation into the inappropriate and possibly illegal instant messages sent by Representative Foley. When are you going to come clean about hiding the inappropriate emails not covered under your request for an investigation?”
Hey KO, maybe you could ask that one?
Or David Gregory could put that one to the President with a slight change of wording:
“Representative Hastert asked for an investigation into the inappropriate and possibly illegal instant messages sent by Representative Foley. When are you going to ask Representative Hastert to come clean about hiding the inappropriate emails not covered under his request for an investigation? What is he hiding?”
One more comment. Pretty damn soon they are going to start smearing the kids involved. Count on it.
Are you telling me that a family-values pitchman was actually a pervert? I suppose you’ll claim next that some anti-porn champion actually touches himself “down there” while looking at dirty pictures. Who could have suspected this?
Spotlight emails were sent to:
Chris Dettro : Legal Affairs Reporter : State Journal-Register
Matthews Dietrich : Assistant Editorial Page Editor : State Journal-Register
Mike Matulis : Editorial Page Editor : State Journal-Register
Mike Turley : Senior News Editor : State Journal-Register
This is Illinois btw.
I would like to propose that this thread include some discussion of exactly how Democratic candidates running against GOP incumbents should frame the themes in Christy’s terrific discussion above. (The incumbents who voted for throwing this down what the NYT called the “black hole” of the House Ethics Committee.) I know that there are campaigns discussing this right now. Can we help? We need to think in terms of succinct press releases and short statements for television. Also, we should all be writing outraged letters to the editor.
I saw a comment somewhere yesterday to the effect that it would help conservatives if the discussion is all about values. Really? What do you think, firedogs?
This is a gift, as someone said. (Professor Foland?) How do we get it to keep on giving?
Rep. Boehner is one of 12 children and has children of his own. He graduated from Moeller High School in Cincinnati, a Marianist Catholic high school, where they don’t condone pedophiles or perverts.
Shame on you, John Boehner, for calling these prurient and sexual predatory Foley emails “naughty”. You know better!
#9: according to some comments I saw at (ick) rightwing nuthouse last night, they already are.
Fucking sick pigs. Keep them away from my kid.
who is running against Hastert? anyone?
Peterr — saw your note in the last thread. Capito doesn’t represent my district — she’s the next district over from me. I phoned her local office this morning, but only got an answering machine. Will let you guys know if there is any local coverage on this today — should be interesting, to say the least. *g*
OT, kind of — but great op-ed by Krugman that a nice person was kind enough to email to me.
Excerpt from “Things Fall Apart”, published today in NYT:
Heh.
Where is Dobson anyhow?
Not cloistered in a rehab unit, is he? Because he’s as quiet as the Repugs hope Foley will be this month.
WRT Spotlighting media in Hastert’s district, Northern Illinois, very rural.
I think
wild ass guessthat DeKalb, home of Northern Illinois University, is the largest city, hoping for help from natives.Cities in Hastert’s district District
Amboy – Annawan – Ashton – Atkinson – Aurora – Bartlett* – Batavia – Big Rock – Binghampton – Bristol – Burlington – Cambridge – Carpentersville – Central – Compton – Cortland – Deer Grove – DeKalb – Dixon – Dundee – East Dundee - Elburn – Eldena – Elgin – Elva – Fox – Franklin Grove – Gap Grove – Geneseo – Geneva – Gilberts – Hampshire – Harmon – Helmar – Hinckley – Hooppole – Huntley – Kaneville – Kewanee - LaFox – Lee – Lee Center – Lily Lake – Lisbon - Little Rock – Maple Park – Maytown – McGirr – Millbrook – Millington – Minooka – Montgomery – Mooseheart – Nachusa – Nelson – Newark – New Bedford – Normandy – North Aurora – Orion – Osco – Oswego –Paw Paw – Pingree Grove – Plano – Plato Center – Plattville – Portland – Prairieville – Prophetstown – Rock Falls – Rollo – Sandwich – Scarboro – Shabbona – Shabbona Grove – Shaw – Sleepy Hollow – Somonauk – South Elgin – Spring Hill – St. Charles – Starks – Steward – Sublette – Sugar Grove – Sunny Hill – Sycamore – Tampico – Udine – Ulah – Valley View – Virgil – Walton – Warrenville – Wasco – Waterman – Wayne – West Brooklyn – West Chicago – West Dundee – Wheaton* - Winfield* - Yorktown – Yorkville
*Towns marked with an asterisk are not entirely contained in the 14th Congressional District and, as such, you may wish to check on www.house.gov to determine whether a specific address lies in Congressman Hastert’s district.
Find Your State Representative / State Senator
Local Government Links
* Bureau County
* DeKalb County
* DuPage County
* Henry County
* Kane County
* Kendall County
* Lee County
* Whiteside County
immanentize @ 3
It’s too late.
Friday: I didn’t know anything
Saturday: I was probably told but I can’t recall
Ian at 15 — John Laesch — he’ll be our special guest this afternoon on FDL to talk about his candidacy against Hastert in light of all of this mess. Hope everyone can hang out and talk with John in the comments today! Plus, he could always use another campaign donation on our ActBlue page.
Looks like the rethugs have arrived at a novel solution to the decades-old issue of which is worse, to be caught with a dead woman or a live boy.
They choose both. Schiavo and pages.
OT–T-Rex may find this interesting. His seventy-million year old ancestors have delivered more than just bones to the present: soft tissue.
http://www.calacademy.org/scie.....issue.html
Here’s the next question that Democrats need to start asking now:
How can we trust Republican leadership to protect the pages from other child predators in Congress? What other sick scandals are out there that they are covering up?
We have a duty to investigate what happened with Mark Foley as quickly as possible in order to make sure that this never happens again and to guarantee that there aren’t any other predators currently stalking congressional pages.
Christy Hardin Smith @
16
She has a statement up. It’s over at www.talkingpointsmemo.com
She says she wasn’t informed and seems sincerely pissed that she was blindsided by this. She’s also not buying the line that the first e-mails were innocent.
Ian @ 15
John Laesch
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Paragraph beginning Hastert attempts to minimize…
Culpability]
Excellent follow-up article by Greg Sargent at TPM Cafe on the St. Petersburg Times issue. Seems SPT editors have lashed out at Hastert, saying “idle chit-chat” was not their opinion. The reason they didn’t go with the story earlier is that they couldn’t find a page to corroborate or go on record, not that they didn’t think the charges were serious.
OT-best FDL Book Salon ever yesterday with Sidney Blumenthal. Great, straight-talking responses from a very savvy guy.
Susan in Iowa #11 — there’s already some talking points about MI-4th district’s Representative Dave Camp, who is a member of the Ways and Means Committee along with Mark Foley:
Feel free to use this as a guideline for your own district, rework to fit.
“If you can’t trust them with your kids, how can you trust them with your country?”
Christy,
From my own experiences in child abuse and child abuse prevention work, I read Hastert’s letter a little differently. I read him as asking the DOJ/FBI to see if there were any mandated reporters who failed in their reporting duty.
Of course, that may be too charitable on my part, as Hastert never mentions that legal term. Given the fact that he himself is a mandated reporter, he can hardly be unfamiliar with the concept, so perhaps his non-use of the term is intentional.
However Hastert intended this - as coverup or a call for a genuine investigation - I can’t imagine any of the abuse investigators I’ve ever dealt with looking at this mess and NOT trying to figure out who knew what when, and who (if anyone) did not report their suspicions as required.
Shimkus and the Clerk will be at the top of the interview list, but they will hardly be the only ones.
I grew up about 30 miles from Dennis Hastert’s hometown of Yorkville, IL.
When I was in second grade, Denny (who was a State Rep at the time)came to speak at a school assembly. I don’t really remember what he said, but I could never forget that surname which would cause giggles in any second grader.
I’m 37 years old now. But I’m still pissed that that fat fuck was given access to school children and was able to make an impression on my developing psyche.
Dailykos has a race-by-race thread that gets into what specific campaigns are doing.
Alexander in LA has a competitor who doesn’t even have a website (that’s how red his district is–must be closely related swamp people living in huts, still speaking some Cajun patois).
Reynolds will go down, either by resigning first or losing to his competitor (that’s a tight race already).
Shimkus will probably go down too (btw, anyone else get the vibe that he’s the weak link in the Republican scamble story? Hastert: “Damn that loud-mouthed fool! Why didn’t he check in with us first before shootin’ off that mouth!”), but his competition has raised about 11 bucks.
Hastert–I just don’t see how he survives this mess. If his competitor wins it’s because H resigns.
The other macro affect of all this is Democrats demanding their opponents return Foley-tainted money. Worked in New Mexico-01.
Like Sidney Blumenthal said yesterday, the “return the Foley money” line should be hammered as loudly as possible.
Peterr @ 28
I’m not sure Hastert is a mandated reporter. Yes, he used to be a teacher and a coach, but now he’s just the Speaker of the House. I doubt that job is on the mandated reporters list.
Spotlighted (spotlit?) this post to print media in Hastert’s hometown: Chicago Tribune National Media folks with “Political” or “Washington” in their title. Also to Chicago Sun-Times news editor and columnist; and to news editors in Aurora (in Hastert’s district) and Rockford (just outside the district, with many readers inside it.)
My framing for the last six weeks?
The Republicans have breached their solemn duty and violated our sacred trust:
To the country,
to the troops,
to our children.
Rayne @ 26
Thank you. This is a good start. But it is long, and probably best suited for a website. I am thinking about the pithy phrase or paragraph that might sink into the consciousness of voters who aren’t paying that much attention.
He’s not only Mark Foley’s supervisor, he, like Foley, has supervisory authority over the pages. At an absolute minimum today, we have very compelling evidence that Hastert allowed Foley to sexually harrass employees, whom he supervised, in the workplace. I think eventually evidence will be uncovered that Hastert directly, as Foley’s supervisor, enabled Foley to repeatedly commit rape (depending on the age of consent for boys in D.C).
So purely out of curiosity, what tripped the moderation alert on my 9:13?
Rayne @ 17–Great point. Moralist Dobson most certainly should come out and condemn Foley for his sexual predation.
Frank Probst @ 31
The mandatory reporter thingy is a red herring as well, Hastert is certainly a “permitted reporter” that is, a person who incurs no liability for divulging information about potential child sex or pornography actions.
CHS @ 19–that’s brilliant. Get him live and loud asap.
Rayne @ 26: That’s a HOT point–all Republicans should be asked “Did you boo? Did you boo the call for an investigation?”
Again, kick the shite out of these people—they are down and now’s the time to really nail ‘em.
The DCCC better be g-damned playing for blood with this story.
If the Foley cover-up and Woodward’s book don’t give Dem’s the House and at least 48 Senate seats,athen this country is really screwed. To me, failure of a Democratic Party win would mean one of two possibilities. 1) The wingnut zombies are the voting majority or 2) The voting process has been corrupted and co-opted by the fascists. As Stalin is alleged to have said “It’s not who votes that counts: it’s who counts the votes:.
If there is a failure of electoral politics in November; the next option is movement politics, ala Gandhi and King. If the time come for marching in the streets and passive resistance; I hope I have the guts to face the possibility of being declared and enemy combatant. The thought of being detained without Habeas is very sobering.
Frank Probst @ 31
Mandated reporters are not simply mandated to report abuse they suspect among the young people with whom they work, but any abuse they suspect anywhere. Thus, if a teacher sees someone hitting a kid viciously while walking down the street on a Saturday afternoon in a town a 1000 miles from their classroom, they are mandated to make a report. It doesn’t matter whether the kid is in their class or simply an unknown child - they must call it in.
Hastert may not be a mandated reporter in terms of his duties as Speaker of the House, but his background as a teacher puts him on the hook IMHO. It is also possible that his duties to make appointments to the Page Board and other interactions with Pages may make him a mandated reporter in his capacity as Speaker, but I don’t know enough about the internal workings of the House administrative staff to say for sure.
karen allen, thanks for the background on Boehner. As a Roman Catholic he has zero credibility not to be aware.
Prof. Foland at 37 — absolutely no idea. Just looked over your post and nothing jumps out at me — sometimes, it just gets tripped up for reasons I don’t understand, and it looks like your 9:13 was one of those to me.
Re: mandated reporter. Do federal sexual harassment laws apply? Are pages paid employees as well? I may be way off, but since they are minors, just wondering if all bases are covered.
Steve @ 41
By the way, Happy Birthday, Gandhi!
meta @ 43
pages are not paid employees.
angie @ 46
Yes they are paid. It’s not much, and some gets automatically taken out to pay for their dorm, but they are paid.
meta @ 45
federal sexual harrassment laws do apply — and apply to Congress. there was a big fight about this a few years ago in the Clinton admin., and Congress IIRC voted to make such employment laws apply to themselves.
PS One need not be paid to qualify as a covered “employee.” Volunteers and interns count as well.
Then I think this plot just got thicker.
I’ve been a mandated reporter. There should be at the very least documentation. So that’s one for starters.
angie at 47 — actually, they apparently are paid a stipend for their work, according to one article I read this morning. I didn’t practice labor law, so I’m not certain where they would fall in terms of civil harassment issues, but I would bet that we have a reader out there somewhere who would know the answer to that.
Peterr @ 46
I heard something on TV last night that it’s around $400-$500 a week
It’s rare that I have anything nice to say about Howard Kurtz. This is from his online chat in progress.
Bold is mine.
Interesting spin at the righty blogs:
http://www.redstate.com/storie.....ouse_pages
It’s ABC’s FAULT. (Since they imply the sources must have been Democrats, I guess becuase any good gooper would have had to have kept quiet. Sometimes they do our work for us.)
Not even their own readers are buying it.
Shelley Moore Capito is my rep. So far she has had to return $ from Ney, DeLay, & Cunningham– and she has about a 100% rubberstamp record—and she says she is shocked! shocked I tell you. Here’s my question to my rep Shelley—”If the page classes were warned about Foley as far back as 2002, how come you didn’t have a clue about this? Did you really need to hear about the e-mails from Shimkus? Or is that cover for you having your head in the GOP sand?” Shelley’s looking for plausible deniability (a family trait)
The GOP Predator Enablers’ attempts to draw a distinction between the “overly friendly” emails that they sat on and covered up and the sexually explicit emails is destroyed by the fact that GOP legislators were warning the pages as far back as 2001 about Foley being a predator.
Therefore, the moment that the “overly-friendly” emails surfaced in 2005, the GOP Predator Enablers clearly should have known that Foley had been way, way, way over the line and should have taken immediate steps to build a firewall between Foley and any pages.
Hastert and his fellow GOP Predator Enablers did not do so. They need to take the fall.
I stand corrected, sorry. I have friends and family that have served as unpaid summer interns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.....tives_Page
Hey FDL gang.
Man what a couple of days huh? Ugly, ugly, ugly stuff.
The big question for me is are we going to see any investigations before the elections. I know the Feds will probably take a while, but what about Pelosi’s 10 days? Am I right saying that wasn’t completely agreed to and the Ethics committee can take their jolly ass time getting around to it?
Hastert, Reynolds, and Boenher need to resign immediately. As well as the member of the page board who didn’t alert his counterparts.
The rats are running.. atrios reports that Hastert’s web-site scrubbed the press releases about Hastert protection kids.
Rice: No memory of CIA warning of attack
Tenet and Black warned Rice in the starkest terms of the prospects for attack, she brushed them off, Woodward reiterated Monday. He told NBC’s “Today” show that Black told him the two men were so emphatic, it amounted to “holding a gun to her head” and doing everything except pulling the trigger.
When does the press start calling her out on the absolute pathological prevarication?
Ya know, if we had a real president, he/she would have already demanded the resignations of everyone involved. But nooooooooo, these assholes are actually trying to minimize the issue.
SLIME IN THE HOUSE!!!
Such a shame we don’t have a REAL president.
No happy Gop faces in our Monday morning conference room today…I asked what they thought about Foley and they said him AND anyone who knew about it should go too. Whoa! This is big, believe me. These guys are all still behind Bush big time.
Hi Christy et al…
Back. Using Xp (shudder)
Missed y’all.
Peace
hmmm, first i wanted to think the worst of hastert too (surprise) and the “outside of congress” thing seemed like a move to shift blame, but part of foley’s shitck was to wait until the kids were out of the page program before he moved in for the kill, so the chance is that if any of them talked to someone about what was going on it wouldn’t have necessarily been someone in d.c. but more likely someone back home.
ohmygod, did i just give cover to denny hastert?!?!?!
LOL! Snow-job is refusing to answer questions and directing folks to Hastert. LOL!!!
Hey Hastert…
INCOMING!!!
I think Foley was intentionally trying to avoid the application of sexual harassment laws by not going beyond being the ‘friendly mentor’ until the pages left the program (all the info I’ve seen indicates that he used their departure as an excuse to ask for their e-mails and that’s when it got truly weird). Again, that put the kids in a weird position re: who to report it to, since there was no longer a supervisor.
Sounds like a lot of them vented to this guy that heads the alumni board - and his statement sure sounds like it’s from someone sitting down with a lawyer to decide what to say now that he’s in the middle of a political shitstorm. I imagine that he’s wondering if he’s gonna be a target of Hastert’s “go after anybody but me” investigation.
That blog that started the whole thing does look a bit odd, I must say. Some commenter there said it looked like a Mike Rodgers product? Didn’t turn up anything on a quick google on that name…any help?
Christy, this is a drive by (gotta go to court) but I am so glad to know that you are on this.
You of all bloggers have the experience and credentials for this story.
And the empathy. You can and are froming this just as it should be.
Keep going.
In addition to explicit sexual language, former Congressman Mark Foley’s Internet messages also include repeated efforts to get the underage recipient to rendezvous with him at night.
Foley Sought to Rendezvous with Page
I’m a former social worker, and the mandatory reporting requirement is never taken lightly, and it is not just job related. It is your absolute responsibility, and most don’t feel it is something you can leave when you leave the job. You will always be covered if you report, if you say you have been a mandated reporter in the past. It is just absolutely the very least that can be expected from anyone who has ever been in the teaching, social services, medical or law enforcement professions. No excuses.
There’s something more that I think has not been examined as deeply as it should be.
Last night I watched the clips of an ABC News segment on the Foley/Page scandal. For reference, the clip is on CnL:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....-round-up/
ABC News correspondent Brian Ross said, “A former page has come forward to tell ABC News that warnings were issued to pages about Foley in 2001….”
Matthew Loraditch, a page from the 2001-2002 school year, said, “It was a slight cautionary statement, you know. Don’t get too wrapped up in him being nice to you and all that kind of stuff, you know. He’s a nice but he is a little bit odd.”
Now something jumps out: if pages were warned in 2001 about him, then some things may have happened before 2001. To put it differently, if someone gives you a warning about a sexual predator, then they had to know about his problem to warn you in the first place. Assuming this report is true, this scandal and coverup goes back even further than 2001.
The mind boggles…
BQ@65
On the earlier thread you mentioned you were trying to verify a posted comment regarding CREW having notified the authorities this summer on Foley.
Any luck? I tried and couldn’t find it.
kristinejoy @ 67
very, very true from my experience in healthcare.
windje @ 68
…oh man. I wish they’d quit including the IM’s. They are just sickening.
But man, the evidence just keeps piling up. I think it’s just a matter of time before one of these kids comes forward and says something happened beyond messaging. My thought is Foley was this way because it worked at some point. I doubt he was “just trying” after 4-5 years. Somewhere out there someone knows something more. But, I can’t blame them for not coming forward in this atmosphere.
My heart does go out to the young man who is the President of the Alumni group. He is in a terrible position. One of the worst things that happens to those who are the targets of harassers and abusers is that they get re-victimized over and over and over again. It is a horrible and lonely path no matter what happens.
Blank Kludge!
condolences on the xp
(ok, back to work) :(
angie @ 71
I’m not saying Hastert isn’t a sleazebag for looking the other way on this. I’m just saying that I don’t think–from a purely technical standpoint–he’s a mandated reporter.
Tony Snow presser on C-SPAN right now — getting hot!
What I don’t understand is why we have not yet heard that the FBI has seized the ex-congressman’s computers. This may be news to you guys, but all the main flavors of IM (AIM, MSN, YIM, Trillian, Jabber, maybe even GAIM) all keep logs BY DEFAULT of all the conversations you have using them. Google Talk tells you upfront that Google will use your chat conversations to target context-appropriate text advertising at your browser.
I think AIM and Yahoo log all this stuff on their servers as well- which means there is certainly a backup somewhere that is at least nominally outside Republican control.
So, howsabout it FBI? When are you going to impound the computers? I’d love to see any emails Foley has that are to/from Denny’s office…
Snootie McClellan and Ari Fleischer are probably in their laz-y-boys laughing into their beers.
No, I don’t think he would be considered a mandated reporter legally. However, as someone who once was, you would think he would understand the importance of it and would have acted. OH, but that would have taken a conscience. N/M.
I believe however that the person in charge of the paging program would have been a mandated reporter in a legal sense. Someone was “in charge” of these kids. That person must have been a mandated reporter.
Steve @
59
Here’s a link to ThinkProgress about what you mentioned: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/.....yberspace/
smiley @ 78
Ya gotta get a warrant signed by a judge first. Ya don’t just kick in the door and start grabbing stuff. Oy
Has this been noted yet?…
Brian Ross at ABCNews has new emails indicating that Foley sought to meet with pages, and one exchange suggest a reference to a prior meeting.
Example:
“I would drive a few miles for a hot stud like you,” Foley said in one message obtained by ABC News.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl.....w_fol.html
this is the usual - CYA by republicans by shooting the messenger for the bad news and deflecting attention from the bad news itself
I have read thisscandal dates back to at least 2001. John Boehner just became Majority Leader late last year or early this year. Wouldn’t Tom DeLay also be culpable in this cover-up, as he was Majority Leader for most of this time?
Also, how can we reach out to the page web-site, or former pages to let them know we will take care of them?
Smiley, Foley’s computing equipment were seized this weekend by the FBI. Don’t know about anyone else.
Cozumel @ 82
{SNARK}Really? You didn’t read W’s memo did ya?{/SNARK}
There are so many ways this was handled badly, it’s hard to know where to start.
First and foremost, this is about a person in a position of power who broke the bonds of trust that someone in his position has a legal and ethical responsibility to maintain, and he broke that trust with teenagers who should never have been compromised in any way.
This is also about those who had a responsibility to make sure that all legal, ethical and moral obligations were met, and to address the possible and/or actual breach of those obligations with nothing but the safety of th