
The United States House of Representatives passed a resolution yesterday that was proposed by Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), by a vote of 410 - 0, regarding the need for an ethics investigation not only into the alleged actions of Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL), but also the need to know when the Republican leadership in the House was notified of the multiple e-mails sent to teenage House pages and why the Republican leadership never even bothered to notify the Democratic leadership that there was a potential problem of sexual harassment or worse with one of their members -- for more than ten months. The resolution read as follows:
Whereas for more than 150 years, parents from across the country have sent their children to be pages in the U.S. Capitol, the Page School is a national treasure, and the children who attend it and work in the Congress are our special trust;Whereas, according to press reports, Representative Mark Foley (R-FL) reportedly engaged in highly inappropriate and explicit communications with a former underage page;
Whereas these allegations were so severe that Representative Foley immediately resigned his seat;
Whereas the page worked for Representative Rodney Alexander (R-LA) and, according to press reports, Representative Alexander learned of the emails "10 to 11 months ago"; (AP, September 29, 2006)
Whereas Representative Alexander has said, "We also notified the House leadership that there might be a potential problem", and the Democratic leadership was not informed; (AP, September 29, 2006)
Whereas all Members of Congress have a responsibility to protect their employees, especially young pages who serve this institution;
Whereas these charges demand immediate investigation, including a determination of when the emails were sent, who knew of the emails, whether there was a pattern of inappropriate activity by Mr. Foley involving email or other contacts with pages or former pages, when the Republican leadership was notified, and what corrective action was taken once officials learned of any improper activity;
Whereas given the serious nature of these charges, the pages, their parents, the public, and our colleagues must be assured that Congress will take responsibility that such egregious behavior is not tolerated and will never happen again;
Therefore be it resolved,
That the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct shall immediately appoint an Investigative Subcommittee to fully and expeditiously determine the facts connected with Representative Foley's conduct and the response thereto; and
That Committee on Standards of Official Conduct is further directed to make a preliminary report to the House within ten days. (emphasis mine)
Let me be crystal clear here: these are teenage children who are given an honorary position due to their exceptional grades, their outstanding community service work and any number of other reasons. They are working in the United States House of Representatives. They are teenagers.
And the Republican leadership was aware that an elected Republican representative was sending personal e-mails and IMs to various teenage pages -- but either didn't investigate any more closely to see if they were wholly inappropriate and/or sexually explicit or what, according to Hastert's hemming and hawing in the WaPo this morning...and they did not tell the Democratic leadership nor did they take any overt actions from what I've been able to ascertain to remove this Republican representative from contact with these teenagers other than telling him to act more appropriately.
This is NOT acceptable in any way, shape or form -- and it was an invitation to Rep. Foley to simply continue his alleged conduct, which was unacceptable and, at the very least, sexually harassing of these pages -- who were not old enough to be expected to deal with the differences in age and power between themselves and this flirtatious letch of an elected official.
The ick factor alone on this is disgusting, but it is the utter lack of fiduciary care for the children involved that disgusts me the most.
Writing as both a mother and as a former prosecutor, I am appalled at the gall of the Republican leadership to keep this from the Democratic side of the aisle. Did all the GOP members know? If so, why weren't the pages on the Democratic side just as important to keep safe -- to be warned about potential problems with the GOP Representative? And if they didn't bother to tell the whole of the GOP caucus either, what does that say about the relative value of these kids' safety versus the political calculation about keeping a lid on all of this mess? Was this all about staying quiet to save some GOP political hide? So much for those family values...
Aren't the kids who were serving as pages in the House and Senate more important than some political consideration -- didn't Denny Hastert and John Boehner and Roy Blunt and Tom DeLay and all the rest owe something to the parents of these children beyond "well, we want to stay in power, so we'll keep our mouths shut and hope he doesn't hit on any more boys until after the election?"
Look, I can understand a desire to win an election with the best of them -- but this goes a lot deeper. If you have a person who is allegedly predisposed to be attracted to very young kids, that predisposition does not go away because you say "don't send any more e-mails, mmm-kay?".
And in this case, you have kids who are living in DC as pages, perhaps away from their homes for the first time, around very powerful people -- and you put them in a situation where an elected official wants to discuss in detail what they do when they masturbate...and at the age of fifteen or sixteen, they are supposed to know to do what, exactly? But the GOP Leadership didn't even bother to look into this enough to see that's what was going on -- or did they, and they just didn't take the steps to protect kids from this? Who the hell knows at this point, because it's turned into all CYA, alla time.
The adults in this situation, who were apprised of the problem, ought to have intervened on these kids' behalf. I'm sorry, but there it is. And from what I can tell, the GOP leadership has devolved into "woulda, coulda, shoulda" this morning -- with Boehner pointing the finger at Hastert, and then taking it back, and Hastert playing dumb. Someone dropped a whole lot of balls on this one -- and that is simply not acceptable. Does no one in the entire GOP know how to take responsibility?
And the worst thing is, every parent whose child was a House page for the last 16 years that Foley has been in the House is now thinking "did he do this with my child?" and worse "how far did he go -- was it just talk, or did he get further?"
This is NOT acceptable. And the GOP leadership in the House had better have some answers beyond "I don't know -- I thought he was looking into it." Our nation's children are more valuable to all of us than that.
(The NYTimes has more.)
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CHRISTY!
we’re fucked!
Foleygate!!!!
Huffington Post has the story as their lead article, with a 3-picture spread: Foley flanked by Boehner and Hastert.
It’s not going away. Despicable! Disgusting! Foley and all his enablers! NO excuses can cover this up.
For anyone needing a diversion, Bob Geiger has the Saturday cartoons up. Some aren’t funny so much as painful, but they are all spot on this morning.
More behavior from the Corrupt Bastards Club that should disgust and shame, but may be acceptable to a nation that has decided that torture is OK.
Repeating from late in the last thread:
Josh at TPM is reporting that last year the House Clerk, one of three people on the committee responsible for pages, resigned shortly after the page committee (fruitlessly) interviewed Foley.
He leaves us to connect the dots…
EPU’d from previous thread, & thoroughly appropriate here IMHO -
Dear Christy
I deeply admire your ability to remain focused even when deeply angry, and to channel that anger twd achieving positive ends.
Having lived most of my life with “joint issues” of my own, I sympathize with what you must be coping with on a daily basis. I wish you good health and great happiness.
You are an inspiration!
John @
3
The question:
What did Denny Hastert say when informed of Mark Foley’s extra-curricular hobbies?
Christy,
Do you have a link to future speaker Pelosi’s resolution?
“This is NOT acceptable in any way, shape or form” neither is anything else these pricks get away with but this one is more likely to cross over into the warped muddy minds of their own. Watch out! something else big would need to happen to push this one away.
OFG at 11 — no, I don’t have a link — I got a copy of the resolution via e-mail from someone on her staff. Although they are usually very good about putting things up on her website…I’ll try and check there in a bit.
GOP = Grand Obscenity Party. And, pray tell, where is the outrage from the pious demagogues/vulgarians and media whores? This Vast Right Wing conspiracy to protect pediophiles amongst their ranks is simply beyond the pale.
First rate writing as ever dear Christy!
This is outrageous.
Any parent that votes for these people is clearly lost to propaganda.
Maybe the Dem leadership can’t pound this point home but as a (foster) mother, I have been telling every mother I know about this and how the war is killing off a generation of Americans.Both show their disgusting nonchalance for the welfare of our children (along with the raping of the eucation funds and the killing off of the middle class)
I have ended with: The Republicns are coming for our sons an daughters one way or another.
Even my cousin, a redneck upstate, related to that as a mother and yelled at her redneck husband about the perverts.
The really frightening thing is that we really don’t know the extent of the damage to our country. Maybe
It is pretty clear that Dennis Hastert is culpable under the law for harboring a sex offender. He knew; he permitted it to continue; he is an accessory both before and after the fact. He must resign from the Speakership immediately. The people of Illinois should recall him from office. The Republicans should be swept out of office.
This is so sad. I was sexually molested as a 14-year-old by a Presbyterian minister from another church (I was at a church camp.) I went to my minister (I should have gone to my dad and the police with this) and nothing … absolutely nothing, was done about it. Hopefully this will shed some light on the very real topic of men in authority taking advantage of teenagers.
Robert Reardon @ 18
I am sorry for your pain. It is all about power and domination. ;(
If that had been my son, and the Leadership had not jettisoned Foley the instant of the complaint, I’d have gone ballistic, public and/or postal.
And if Rahm Emmanuel can’t move the ball over the goal line at this point, he’s a Republican mole.
Criminal and creepy. I remember being outraged in the early 90’s when allegations of harrasment were made by many women against Senator Bob Packwood. But all parties involved were adults, and no one attempted to cover up the allegations.
This involves children.
I’m a gay man. I don’t have children. But if I did, Foley (and his ilk) are exactly the kind of men I’d warn my sons and daughters to be careful of. The abuse of power is so great, and the damage caused so pernicious there is no excuse for action not being taken immediately.
There is nothing about this that is OK. I’m fighting the urge to be snarky, because the anger and the pain that I feel about this is intense, and I’m not at all sure that I want to express it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6
Thanks CHS, that last one was terrific. I had to post it over on Not Larry Sabato.
Last thread, Professor Foland said (with 0% snark) that god has handed us a gift in this. Please, god, don’t let the Dems, the media, the country piddle this gift away. Don’t let the bad guys take it back.
My mother worked at USC, in the office that found placement for political interns on the hill. She would have been disgusted but hardly surprised at this mess.
She died before Monicagate. From the early 80’s on, every female intern (and maybe the guys, too, but I only know about this) went through a 4 hour workshop on”How to Avoid Clumsy, Slimy Advances from the Critters You Work For and Still Keep Your Job”. It was a yuck fest mostly, but delivered real-life warnings and was considered essential knowledge. They were encouraged to report any come-on to the program director and he’d have a little chat with the offender.
Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose. (Please feel free to add your own interpretive accent marks to this phrase)
Oblogov @ 17
Am forwarding this on to everyone I know in my old home state of Illinois - the good people of Illinois shouldn’t have to recall Hastert, rather he should resign in disgrace this weekend for protecting/harboring a sex offender and violating his oath of office.
CHS -> A few questions. As of this point, there’s no evidence of there being actual sexual contact. Yet. In your experience, however, I’m wondering whether this may trip some predator/stalker kind of criminal statute. I’m trying to figure out which jurisdiction would kick in. Florida? Louisiana (one of the pages was apparently from LA)? DC? I’m not quite sure where the e-mails and IMs were sent from - whether from DC or from Folye’s Florida fiefdom…if state lines were “crossed” via the internet would federal laws kick in.
I realize this begs the larger question of these actions being morally reprehensible and, as Foley wrote about Clinton in 1998, vile. That goes without saying. I’m just trying to figure out whether criminal violation may have been committed and if so which jurisdiction (with different ages of consent) may be applicable.
Thanks for this post, BTW.
I signed a petition a long time ago to make sure my kid didn’t have his info forwarded to the military recruiters. I think the group was called Leave My Child Alone, maybe they have a new campaign to wage?
I don’t know what happened @16..I trying out my new Mac.
To continue..We don’t know the extent of damage that has been done to our country. Maybe
I don’t have cable–does anyone have updates or anecdotes on how this is being played in the MSM? This really matters because unless some other law enforcement agency gets involved it’s going to be left to the House ethics panel to investigate, which will be as effective as delegating it to my Yellow Lab.
Does anyone have any professional insight into how an ethics panel works? It will be lead by a Republican–can he or she squash it as they deem fit, even if the Dems on the panel are finding out stuff? There’s no way in hell the Republicans will investigate themselves, regardless of the crime they’re looking into.
btw, everyone, we have Steve Porter from PA-03 for today’s Blue America. :)
The House cannot conduct an investigation. They have PROVEN they do not have the necessary integrity to expose any wrong doing, crimes, ethics violations, etc. What is needed is a special prosecutor NOW to investigate. This should be the mantra from every Democrat in the House and Senate from now to election day and beyond. The corruption in the GOP is a cancer on America.
The text of Pelosi’s Resolution can be found here:
http://democraticleader.house......aseID=1844
Foley’s behavior is obviously wrong, sick, and anti-social. I don’t think being a mother or a parent provides one with any special moral insight to see that. Any right-thinking adult would be disgusted by this.
#23 must be that republican god we keep hearing about cause a gift like that is pretty fucked.
mayan at 25 — there are a lot of potential things that could some into play, and I would bet that local and federal authorities are looking into some of this after the more explicit emails came to light yesterday. It could be anything from a misdemeanor contributing to the delinquency of a minor to a potential federal child investigation, depending on the age of the child, any photos that may or may not have passed between them and extent of contact, etc. The facts will be what they will be — but there are certainly some substantial questions about sexual harassment and abose of power that need to be answered at the very least on this.
What is really bad is how Boehner has changed his story. Last night’s WaPo had this:
Today that same paragraph reads as follows:
(emphasis mine)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01574.html
So let’s get this straight. The Majority Leader of the House hears that one of his people are involved in possible sex crimes involving minors and can’t remember if he informed other members of the leadership? And if Boehner didn’t talk to Hastert about it, then how did he react? Did he sit back and choose to ignore this news?
This is totally unacceptable for any Republican or Democrat. It is obvious they are still trying to cover up the facts of this matter.
Would this matter not automatically become the subject of a police and/or child protection investigation? Now that it has been made public?
I’m assuming that in Washington it is a criminal offense not to report child abuse to child protection or law enforcement authorities.
Jamie @ 35
What’s even worse that Hastert changing is story is WaPo obliginingly re-writing theirs. I guess the callow twit who ended up with the Graham legacy really needs to suck up to power.
Off to the oaks…..
What are the laws in Washington DC about reporting Suspected child sex abuse?
Who is a mandated reporter?
Did those republican congressmen violate this law? If not legally they sure did morally and ethically.
That is the main response of this republican administration and party.
If the American people cannot see how morally and ethically challanged this group is, there is no hope.
They are supposed christians upholing the christian right “values”, yet they lie, steal deny and put the “PARTY” before the good of the people.
They should be ashamed of their actions and others should be ashamed for keeping them in office.
Jamie @ 35
It may be Boehner couldn’t remember which sleazebag Republican he talked to Hastert about, there being such a wealth of possible candidates.
Fern–yeah, that’s what I’m wondering too, doesn’t this trigger law-enforcement reactions from any number of possible agencies?
I mean, this is a criminal case, right?
Other question: Where is Foley as we speak? He’s going to be a footnote in this whole story soon enough, but I’m wondering if and when he’s going to be arrested, and by whom. DC cops?
I know you hate OTs, but you really can’t afford to miss this post on DailyKos: Deconstructing the Constitution, One Clause at a Time. It’s a summary of an op-ed piece by Erwin Chereminsky in the WaPo. The House, unbeknownst to most of us, has passed a bill which states that attorneys who successfully challenge the government’s actions in matters of separation of church and state will not be entitled to recover their attorney fees. As if we didn’t have enought to worry about! Here is another example of Bush and his rubber-stamp congress trying to take out the Constitution.
The coverup will not end until we elect non-incumbents in November.
Thanks Jamie.
the wapo should be ashamed, yet again.
This is the guy they put in charge of writing laws to protect kids from sexual predators. An effing pederast.
Well, I guess the last isn’t quite proven. He’s just committed pederasty in his heart. Does that matter?
And these bozos are protecting the pederast, not the kids.
There’s the bumper sticker.
ppp @
33
The righteous gift was not Foley’s acts, but their coming into the light.
angie, I was EPU’d in the last thread. This is what I wrote:
Angie, you say, “I know he’s a member of the good ole boys club. Please tell me your take on Cantor being Foley’s boss.”
Cantor and Foley are both on the Ways and Means Committee, yes. But Foley is/was Deputy Majority Whip, and the icky Cantor is Chief Deputy Majority Whip. That’s why I wonder what Cantor knows.
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Well, the idiotic media never quit. On MSNBC, the question is about who voters would rather drink a beer with or have babysit their children.
Why didn’t the Democrat say “Was this poll taken after we learned about Congressman Foley and the Republican leadership’s failure to protect the children who work at the Capitol?”
From the NYTimes:
Then from CNN:
It seems that Pelosi’s Resolution itself didn’t pass, but DID force the issue to be sent to the Ethics Committee. Or am I missing something?
Dana– likewise epu’d with my response:
lawdy mercy. Cantor has gotta know. blergh…
I pray that some intrepid reporter is able to penetrate this morass and that the American people have the stomach to deal with it.
I really don’t understand why everyone is so upset about this. The Republicans have been fucking everybody else what’s the problem with a few kids?
Oh…that’s right…it’s more than a few…
By the way where have you folks been on this issue?
Been an open secret for some good long time now.
Zergle — it is my understanding that what passed was Pelosi’s resolution to refer the matter for investigation by the Ethics Committee. Not sure where the NYTimes got their info., but I got it directly from a member of Pelosi’s top staff.
@ 10 - I never knew Carnack’s first name was Balrog. ;)
This does give that much more validity to Dean’s strategy(Foley’s seat) and I am so hoping that this can tie around Hastert like a lead weight, bc I think John Laesch may well be one of the best things to happen to politics in the Midwest. If someone sees the presser, post an update.
Some things are just absolutely unacceptable. In Republicans and in Democrats. Many children are suffering more than email ick bc of our torture and detention policies - directly or through loss of disappeared fathers and brothers. How many mothers are worried about exercises of power over their children even more egregious - all with no protections?
Anyway, Hostettler is sure not going to like questions about Republican House cover ups of child sexual predators and he’ll be asked. More than once, in more than one forum. Not the kind of thing to rouse his base. DCCC should consider response ads to the the those Pelosi ads. The “threat” of Pelosi “raising taxes” (like anyone doesn’t think that is going to happen anyway) vs a Speaker who covers up for child predators and the “threat” of billions gone completely missing, without investigation, and more billions squandered in Iraq and Katrina and the “threat” that it will go on and on unchecked - no real challenge which of those is more concerning around these parts. And Hastert has even scarier and creepier “drunken binge with a gavel” types of pictures that they could use.
Yeah, I’m starting to wonder if it’s a spin attempt or not. Reading the CNN bit looks like it was blocked outright, then they all agreed to go to committee as if that was something different. Weird.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 51
My understanding was that Pelosi demanded a bi-partisan investigation be undertaken; Boehner opted instead for the Ethics (or not) committee.
My question:
What the FUCK is wrong with these people? Where is the integrity, the decency, and the very simple moral courage to do the right thing!?!?!
Someone upthread said that this is the perfect example of what to warn our kids about. Indeed.
Special place in hell for these types of people..blah blah.
{punching pillowzsdkszlzsdzkz,kslamming keyboard}
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It’s seems as though the stories don’t jive. Here they are saying it was the Republicans who “engineered the vote”.
I’m gonna keep digging….
Maybe I am just being particularly pissy this morning, but why are the pundits on teevee this morning instead of Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the dems screaming their bloody heads off?
Carpe diem, please.
Jamie @ 9:48 am -
John Boehner has been Majority Leader of the House of Representatives since early February of this year. Roy Blunt was the interim Majority Leader of the House from late September of last year until John Boehner took over. Before late September 2005, Tom DeLay was House Majority Leader, succeeding Dick Armey in 2003.
How long has Mark Foley engaged in inappropriate behavior with House pages? Did he start before Tom DeLay became House Majority Leader? Which House majority leaders and House speakers have been aware of Mark Foley’s improper conduct? For how long have they been aware of it?
Balrog @ 54
What’s the core difference? Is it that by going to the Ethics comittee it helps avoid looking at the GOP leadership?
angie at 57 — the teevee producers decide who gets booked to discuss this. The Dems may try to get on but…well, they aren’t in charge of booking.
Here is my EPU’d post on the get-out-of-jail clause in the final version of the MCA. It’s a bit different from previous versions of the MCA.
PDB: FOLEY DETERMINED TO SEND EMAILS TO UNDERAGE PAGES
Seriously, the point Democrats should be making is: If the Republicans can’t do the right thing to protect minors from sexual predators within the confines of their own building, how can they be trusted with the security of the country?
Wow, I can edit!
What did the Leader and the Speaker know, and when did they know it?
Zergle - right now the Ethics Committee is Rep Controlled (and with the changes they made to keep Delay from getting smacked anymore - very controlled). If they get to decide whether or not an investigation is in order, they can control any spin.
LOL…I can’t believe I’m saying this, but this is one time where I don’t think the Dems really need to say a whole lot. Messing with minors crosses a pretty distinct line no matter what a person’s political affiliations are. This is one time where the facts just need to keep coming. Lets just watch them squirm. Once we get some results out of the comittee, then maybe we can start speaking up a bit more.
Mary @ 64
Well frak.
As long as we are on the subject of family values, last night the Senate rejected a motion to invoke cloture on a repellent little Republican bill known as the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act whose aim is “to prohibit taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions.” The vote was 57-42 and so failed to get the necessary 60 votes for cloture.
Republicans: Chafee (R-RI), Collins (R-ME), Snowe (R-ME), Specter (R-PA) voted with Democrats to reject cloture.
Democrats who voted for cloture included our good friend Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) who worked with Bill Frist to trash the foundational legal principle of habeas corpus as well as Byrd (D-WV), Johnson (D-SD), Landrieu (D-LA), Nelson (D-NE), and Pryor (D-AR).
BTW does anyone know of any example where Ben Nelson of Nebraska voted against Republicans and with Democrats?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 60
Christy, then a presser on the steps of the Capitol might be in order. They could sing a song like “He’s Got The Whole World in His Hands” and fly our flag, too while surrounded by children.
If you build it, they will come.
Pelosi’s press release is available here:
http://releases.usnewswire.com.....p?id=73534
It ends with this part from her resolution:
So it was Pelosi’s resolution for this to go to the ethic’s committee. If there was some wrangling to change who it was referred to prior to the motion remains to be unseen. The clerk won’t have yesterday’s actions up until Monday.
Breaking news: Michael Jackson to replace Mehlman as RNC chair. Developing . . .
Well, the important thing is this guy is away from the pages now. What I will be anxious to see is just how many pages come out over the next few days stating that they were also the recipients of his flirtations. What will be VERY interesting is whether or not any of those pages reported it only to be ignored as well.
I think there are many, MANY, more cycles to this story.
OT -
Oilfieldguy -
I thought of you the other day while I was driving on some backroads south of Pinedale, Wyoming. Drill rigs everywhere. The last time I drove this road which follows the Green River (I was photographing fall colors) the road was just this tiny little dirt road and lots of space. Now it is a heavy duty haul road. Sigh.
I know it is how you make a living, but does it ever get to you on some level? I mean, in some places they were drilling in the freakin’ flood plain of the Green River for christ sakes!
Simple question: Does the House recess now? So the ethics committee does nothing for six weeks while this story dies?
The Dems, IMHO, should be talking loudly everyday to every outlet on this. They are justified, and there is no political downside (Rove can’t spin this).
From the Raw Story headline on the Foley manuever:
Foley blasted ‘vile’ Clinton in 1998 for his ’sad sexual addiction’
I’m tellin’ ya, any opposition research for the 2008 elections should focus on the projections coming from the right. What they castigate us most for in public is what they are covering up in themselves.
Look how many holier-than-thou Rethugs got caught in the spotlight during Monica season. Larry Flynt has no compunctions about pulling back the curtain on their sexual hypocricy. Anyone got his number?
Realist @ 70
&)&!
One more, then I’ll shut up:
From the WP
What especially creeps me out is the following from the beginning of the 9th paragraph of the story in the New York Times linked to above:
“The page who received the first e-mail messages told ABC News that people in the program had warned his class to watch out for Mr. Foley.”
Unless I’m reading this VERY wrong, this bastard has had a reputation for this from previous years, hence the warning. Pedophiles don’t change. He’s been in Congress for 12 years….
Jamie @
69
I watched Pelosi when she presented this. She wanted a bi-partisan committee to investigate this. Boehner said no, it should go to the Ethics (or not) committee. He quickly asked for a verbal vote which passed. Pelosi then demanded and got a counted vote, which is when she got booed.
shooogarp @ 72
Shoogarp, I rafted the Green River this August. We saw oil and gas drilling everywhere, too. We started at Flaming Gorge, just below the Wyoming border(?). There’s even an oilfield support company in Vernal, UT called TREX :)
The Utahans I spoke too were all oblivious. “Sure are glad we’re gettin’ our oil here ’stead of from those A-rabs.” The only complaint I heard in Mormon country was about how rough the roughnecks were, a bad influence on the kids.
naschkatze @
41
I was watching cspan the other day and caught part of the debate on this. It passed? Damn.
So, basically, if you win a case against the government for violating your constitutional rights, you can recover atty fees IF your complaint was based on anything except religious freedom.
This had been the most surreal week-ever!
She was booed?!
She’s insisting on an investigation into a Rep making lewd comments to a page and she gets BOOED?!
Christ these assholes are pathetic.
Mommybrain -
Did you raft through Desolation Canyon all the way to Green River, Utah?
Any more coming out?
How long ago did it start?
Close friends or relations?
Log-Cabin anyone?
You can bet this isn’t Foley’s first attempt at this crap folks. Usually pedophiles get caught after they’ve left a trail of victims behind.
This should be a criminal matter,not a political one. Ethics investigations are fine(like the GOP will dig thru this sludge,yeah,right,sure,’cause we see how well that’s been working),but this is crossing the line way past ethics. This should be a zero tolerance kind of thing,period. The fact that it’s NOT a zero tolerance thing speaks a whole library of volumes.
Plus,this dude isn’t the first repub to have this little problem,it’s documented in more than one place.
If it was a priority to make it stop it would stop. It better get REAL freaking high on some priority lists pretty damned soon or this Mom is going to start a movement to END this shit. I’m tired of these damned people and their”moral values”bull. I say to them-You got morals,then PROVE IT-NOW,NO B.S. It’s their perfect chance to do one miserable thing right in 6 yrs..
Pelosi also wanted fast track, 10 days, refused?
Shooogarp, we started at Flaming Gorge and did two day trips (logistics snafus changed our plans), then went down to Dinosaur and did Ladore Canyon. Did Deso/Grey 8 years ago. Hate the put-in, where shuttle drivers are flown in to the mesa landing strip. I hear they’ve changed that.
I love the John Wesley Powell Museum in Green River. Are you a boater?
I’m amazed at the audacity of Boehner changing his story from a detailed description of a conversation to “I don’t recall.”
Do they think they can get away with this?
Has their power fried all their brain cells?
Hey Karl!
Surprise…
rizbiz @ 88
707!
The backstory on the torture legislation - NYT Article on England-Zelikow Memo andRumsfeld, Addington, Haynes & Cheney v. Everyone else.
Describes the meeting that Jane Mayer’s piece on Mora finishes with - about the meeting to return to following Geneva Conventions.
Where only Stephen Cambone and Haynes objected.
They skip over Mora reading the whole assemblage the war crimes act.
Because the legislation pretty much takes care of that.
Harry @ 85
I’m betting that since it moved to committee that it’s on whatever track the Republicans in charge of the committee want to put it on. AKA…sometime after the elections.
An Angry Old Broad…you are ABSOLUTELY right. These guys never get caught on the first, second, or 50th attempt. It’s usually after years of activity. The biggest questions are how many pages, and did it go any further?
Ahh yes…the October Suprise.
2 days Early!
From Billmon-
My follow-up question is, when is Karl Rove going to start smearing the Dem candidate with the “Both Parties prey on young children” and the inevitable projection attacks?
“The Democratic candidate is a known sexual predator…”
If they would call Max Cleland a coward, they are capable of anything.
Does anyone want to take odds on this one?
I just issued this statement. We cannot let them get away with this. –Drew
“Holding happy hour fundraisers with people who cover-up the cyber-molestation of children should be below even the questionable morals of Don Sherwood,” said Carney campaign manager Andrew Eldredge-Martin. “Sherwood should immediately cancel his upcoming fundraisers with Hastert and Boehner. Don Sherwood has already brought Washington’s values back to the district, now he wants to bring a depraved cover-up home.”
Link:
http://www.carneyforcongress.c.....ndraisers/
I have a problem with Pelosi’s resolution last night about this mess:
It says NOTHING about a bi-partisan Investigative Subcommittee. Republicans have already had 10-plus months to shred everything and destroy records about this mess; now they get another 10 days to clean house.
Zergle — it is not enough that Foley has been removed from access to pages. He was the co-chair of an caucus affiliated with an organization that maintains a database on children across this entire country; did he have access to that database?
Who audits controls on and security of that database?
Who else might have similar access, had similar leanings as Foley, been one of Foley’s “compadres” in this situation?
We parents are FAR from done with this. The NCMEC has not yet had to explain how it will handle its relationship to Foley and this mess; somewhere in the bowels of that organization, a substantive number of children are identified in its databases without any accountability to the public.
Every law and proclamation issued by the Republicans has a hidden disclaimer. “This law does not apply to me, to any of my friends or to any large contributors”.
Isn’t this special. It’s too late to replace Foley’s name on the ballot, and it’s too late for the replacement Thug to register as a write-in candidate. So, according to a mouthpiece for the Florida Secretary of State, voter can select Foley’s name on the ballot and the votes will just be awarded to somebody else, i.e. the replacement candidate.
I tried to get into Florida election laws online, and the web site is just too labyrinthine for me. So is there anybody out there who