
(Defense Dept. photo by U.S. Air Force Tech. Sgt. Kevin J. Gruenwald.)
There will be a hearing run by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee today, beginning at 1:30 pm ET, that, in a perfect world, ought to be given some substantial media coverage. The AP already hit some statements issued by a few of the witnesses expected to testify, and they are a scathing critique of the inept mismangement of Iraq's occupation by the highest levels at the Pentagon and the Bush Administration -- and the consequences of this piss poor planning to our men and women fighting on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan.
What is most notable about this criticism is that it is coming from newly retired high level officers who worked at the highest echelon of command structure at the Pentagon -- planning for the war and, ultimately, then serving in Iraq or in a supervisory capacity over the conduct and problems that ensued once we landed there. And also overseeing the increasing chaos in areas in Afghanistan outside of Kabul.
Officers who are this newly retired never speak up publicly to criticize -- it just is not done in the military structure. For one reason, they are still active reserves and can be called back into active duty if need be, so they simply do not speak up and risk causing problems for the chain of command without a very good reason. Also, there is often a code within the military that you simply do not talk outside the ranks about the problems within -- it's like the blue wall that you hear so much about with police departments, and the loyalty among service members often runs very deep, having put their lives on the line together over the course of a career time and time again.
"I believe that Secretary Rumsfeld and others in the administration did not tell the American people the truth for fear of losing support for the war in Iraq," retired Maj. Gen. John R. S. Batiste is expected to say based on remarks prepared for a forum conducted by Senate Democrats.A second military leader, retired Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, will assess Rumsfeld as "incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically ...."
"Mr. Rumsfeld and his immediate team must be replaced or we will see two more years of extraordinarily bad decision-making," his statement prepared for the policy forum read. The session is being held six weeks before the Nov. 7 midterm elections in which the war is a central issue....
Batiste, who commanded the Army's 1st Infantry Division in Iraq, also blamed Congress for failing to ask "the tough questions."
He said Rumsfeld at one point threatened to fire the next person who mentioned the need for a postwar plan in Iraq.
Batiste said if full consideration had been given to the requirements for war, it's likely the U.S. would have kept its focus on Afghanistan, "not fueled Islamic fundamentalism across the globe, and not created more enemies than there were insurgents."
Hammes said in his prepared remarks that not providing the best equipment was a "serious moral failure on the part of our leadership."
The United States "did not ask our soldiers to invade France in 1944 with the same armor they trained on in 1941. Why are we asking our soldiers and Marines to use the same armor we found was insufficient in 2003," he asked.
Hammes was responsible for establishing bases for the Iraqi armed forces. He served in Iraq in 2004 and is now Marine Senior Military Fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies, National Defense University.
Eaton was responsible for training the Iraqi military and later for rebuilding the Iraqi police force.
He said planning for the postwar period was "amateurish at best, incompetent a better descriptor."
That these officers are speaking up so publicly, and so frankly, about the dangers of Rumsfeld continuing to run the Pentagon is huge. They undoubtedly know that the GOP noise machine will rev up its swiftboating operation, and try to find something to tarnish their service to their nation -- that they are willing to risk the personal attacks to better the conditions for their branches of service and the men and women who served under them is admirable and honorable, and we should thank them for this service to their nation.
That it is coming so soon on the heels of the revelations about the most recent April NIE -- and that all sixteen of our nation's intelligence agencies in a variety of positions from the CIA to the defense department to the state department to the NSA and beyond, along with John Negroponte, have a consensus view that our continued presence in Iraq is making things worse. And that we are creating more radicalized terrorists and jihadists than we can forseeably eliminate -- and we are making America less safe if we continue down this ill-considered path.
The fact that George Bush and his Administration received the NIE report in APRIL of this year -- and have known of its contents since then (although Bill Frist claimed clueless status yesterday as George Stephanopoulous gave him a history of waterboarding) -- and have flounced around the nation giving speeches that are directly contradictory with its findings...well, someone's lying, to be perfectly blunt. If they knew about it, they were lying to the American public. And if they didn't know about it, they aren't doing their damned jobs.
And the time for accountability is now.
George Bush said yesterday on CNN that "...when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is — my point is, there's a strong will for democracy." (emphasis Steve's) I tend to think that this was a misstatement on Bush's part, and what he meant to say was that it would look like a "footnote" in the history books -- a blip, if you will -- as if all those deaths and injuries could ever be seen as a footnote or a comma to all of the families and friends and soldiers who have lived through them first hand. (C&L has the clip of this.)
There is a saying that the United Church of Christ has used in some of its literature that "you never place a period where God has placed a comma." I suppose it's possible that Bush meant this in his statement, but how egomaniacal could you possibly be to imply that you know the mind of God? (I mean, seriously, isn't that just asking for a lightning bolt from out of the blue to show you who the real boss is or something?)
The church in which I was raised was always very much preaching the need for accountability and acceptance of responsibility for one's actions, sins and omissions -- and for making amends and changes when and where they needed to be made. "The Lord helps those who help themselves" isn't supposed to mean help yourselves and your cronies to no-bid contracts and that the lives of all those soldiers are just a bunch of footnotes in history.
These soldiers have value -- as human beings and as members of the American family. And we owe them nothing less than every bit of our effort to hold to account every member of the Bush Administration who has failed to properly execute their oaths to protect the Constitution, the security of this nation and to uphold the principles of this great nation of ours.
Adequate planning is something that we ought to be able to expect from the Bush Adminsitration officials in the White House and the Pentagon before our soldiers are ever put into harm's way.
When that is not done, the Congress has a Constitutional and a moral obligation to hold them to account -- or they should forever be haunted by the deaths and injuries of all of those soldiers who put themselves in harms way expecting the rest of us to stand up for them on the homefront.
Thank you to the Democrats for taking this step today -- special thank you to Sen. Byron Dorgan and Sen. Harry Reid for setting up this hearing today -- and here is to many more of these steps to come.
Our soldiers deserve better. Their families deserve better. Our nation deserves better. The time for accountability is now.
UPDATE: Bob Geiger reminds us all of the 44 American soliders who have lost their lives in the first three weeks of September alone.
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Christy — don’t think you should criticize Frist for admitting he is clueless, or that he continues to make policy statements supporting the Administration with information important to the decision. He could be telling the truth. Isn’t that the defintion of a “rubber stamp?”
Now tht I got that out of the way…..
I called Sen. Levins office this morning. I got the traditional no position publicy stated blow-off. ( The man is consistent…I have called for a position 23 times in the past 8 mos. and he is batting 1.000 ).
I am beginning to wonder why I voted for this guy. How can you not have a position on the constitution? H.O.W.?
So after we clean out the republifacists from the halls of Congress, will we start cleaning out the democratfascists that threaten the constitution as well?
You know who I am talking about..
Levin
Ben Nelson
Schumer
Reid et al
No position on the Constitution. It is no wonder why I fear for its life.
The wapoo did a front pager that tells us the pain dubya goes thru … nice pre-emption for this hearing and cover for the NIE.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
Or “without” information.
This just in from the AP:
WASHINGTON - In a new sign of mounting strain from the war in Iraq, the Army has extended the combat tours of about 4,000 soldiers who would otherwise be returning home, defense officials said Monday.
The 1st Brigade of 1st Armored Division, which is operating in the vicinity of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, will be kept in place for several weeks beyond its scheduled departure, the officials said. The officials spoke only on condition of anonymity because the decision has not been formally announced by the Pentagon.
HAS NOT BEEN FORMALLY ANNOUNCED BY THE PENTAGON!!!
New CNN Poll
Bush JAR 42%
NO change from last month
Batiste’s testimony is damning.
Hopefully from the electorate.
Get a copy of Fiasco, which recounts page after page after page after page of decisions that are just mind boggling.
Possibly the most depressing book I have ever read, and I have read most of the Russians.
Scarecrow at 2 — I thought I did. The fact that the Majority Leader of the Senate would say he had no idea what was in a National Intelligence Esitmate released in freaking April? Either lying or not doing his damned job.
Says Rumsfeld is responsible for the deaths of soldiers and Iraqis.
Responsible for Abu Ghraib.
omg.
It’s all very simple.
From the Republican manual on how to take responsibility:
Rule 1: Don’t
Rule 2: Blame someone else.
Suggested choices: Democrats, the terrorists, “them”
Default blamee: Bill Clinton
Rule 3: Say both sides were responsible
Important Note: Always state this as a positive. Example: “Both Bush and Clinton could have done more.” Not “We both made mistakes.”
Rule 4: Say that what is important now is to look to the future rather than engaging in the meaningless critiques, finger pointing, name calling, etc. of your opponents
Rule 5: Change the subject
Rule 6: Lie
Note 1: This rule unlike the previous 5 (which should be followed sequentially) can be inserted anywhere as needed
Note 2: The efficacy of Rule 6 is not diminished by facts or evidence. The rule may be repeated as necessary. A small delay is, however, recommended after each debunking.
Woman!
You are fire today.
Keep it up. This is like watching a boxer pound the opposition into the ground.
I gotta go do some doctor stuff the rest of today and will miss all the fun, but
YOU GO GIRL
Check this out from today’s LA Times:
Army Warns Rumsfeld It’s Billions Short
An extraordinary action by the chief of staff sends a message: The Pentagon must increase the budget or reduce commitments in Iraq and elsewhere.
By Peter Spiegel
Times Staff Writer
September 25, 2006
WASHINGTON — The Army’s top officer withheld a required 2008 budget plan from Pentagon leaders last month after protesting to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that the service could not maintain its current level of activity in Iraq plus its other global commitments without billions in additional funding.
The decision by Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, the Army’s chief of staff, is believed to be unprecedented and signals a widespread belief within the Army that in the absence of significant troop withdrawals from Iraq, funding assumptions must be completely reworked, say current and former Pentagon officials.
“This is unusual, but hell, we’re in unusual times,” said a senior Pentagon official involved in the budget discussions.
lhp at 14 — I’m a little pissed off at the Congress and the Bush Administration. Does it show? *g*
please tell me someone is tivoing this?!!!
i don’t have cable, so can only record audio (without a ton a hassle to get low quality video from the c-span internet feed).
Baptitste scorching Rummy at the moment. In no uncertain terms.
Military weakened.
VA gutted.
America less safe.
urging us to vote!
they are fighting a war in secret!
give Americans information!
mortaging our future must stop!
this guy is on fire!
Video footage of Rumsfeld meeting with Saddam Hussein back during Iran-Iraq War, from Iraq State TV footage. No sound. First time I had seen this meeting as footage rather than as a still or stills:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQmGyNGg7Gc
Batiste: Rumsfeld “micromanaged” the war.
One word that people will remember, whatever they think of Bush. Carter was so criticized for micromanaging the presidency. Micromanaging = ineffectual person.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
and you have lots of company!!!
does it show? *g*
Other Lisa @ 15
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I’ll have another tax cut, please. Thank you very much.
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Same with Barack Obama here in Illinois. He never has time to formulate opinions on such minor technicalities as habeas corpus.
Batiste: Our November election is crucial. I will continue to speak out until there is accountability.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
Not at all. I don’t think you should hold back or stifle your feelings so much. *g*
angie,
It’s just an unfortunate coincidence how much that all looks like he really doesn’t care. Typical Republican BS. The more Bush looks like he doesn’t give a sh*t the more he secretly does. Up is down, black is white, war is peace, not caring is caring, etc.
seriously christy, many many thanks for your posts today!
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oddball:
See my late post on last thread…the Democratic leadership and a couple of its best funded new hopes are infected with the fascist virus (read Barak Obama here) …I used ta call ‘em RepublicRATS but now I just call ‘em fascist enablers.
KEEP THE FAITH, PASS THE AMMUNITION AND TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER…THEY’RE COMIN’ RIGHT DOWN THE STREET!!!
blaming lack of Congressional oversight.
asking Americans to speak up.
asking for responsible voter information.
demanding accountability.
To be honest, the first thing I thought of was the “God’s period” quote, and I’m no fundie. The phraseology is not a common one, and George Bush is simply incapable of extemporaneous speech that does not sound common. If it had been Georgie’s own attempt at a grammar metaphor and meant to use “footnote”, he would have come up with “apostrophe”, and not “comma”. The “comma” phrasing must have been inserted by handlers, and the Christianist quote you give is the only place I’ve ever heard it like that.
That said, there’s also word (at the great national security blog whirledview) that the Army has refused to submit a budget this year because it’s been stretched too thin. (Which I now see several people have hopped on while I was so slow…the comments were at #1 when I started!)
What I keep thinking about is this:
We’ve got some people standing up on the front line. Leahy, Feingold, Conyers. But if they can’t stop this ransacking of our country and its Constitution, then we’ve got our marching orders.
Wow….Eaton is just ripping
DRummy a new one.Tell why don’t the Republicans hold this kind of hearing?
angie @ #25,
You changed your comment, erasing your statement that you thnk Rummy is toast? Que?
I have never heard such profound honesty and quiet fury from any military person in my life. Batiste kept none of his ammo back.
Rummy just lost his job, imho.
Eaton is piling on too. I seriously think that if any bush lover heard this and had a kid serving, they would never support bush again.
Ed*ard Teller @ 34
I couldn’t find it either– heh! Yes.
Is there a cache where we can find videos of Batiste and Eaton back when they were making statements on behalf of the Pentagon? We need to look closely at those videos to see if Rumsfgeld was discreetly holding a taser behind his back or maybe inches from the Generals’ behinds….
OT, but not really: http://downwithtyranny.blogspo.....sin-v.html Help elect people like Carol and we’ll get some fu#%ing oversight!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
Redheads with tempers…oh be still my pounding heart!
Yowsa!
Raw Story;
Pelosi: Dems won’t let House adjourn until demands met… Soon…
http://rawstory.com/
More on topic for the last thread, but I was busy writing it then… Warner’s line was busy (which I hope is a good sign) so I emailed him this and will try the phone again later. I was a bit less polite than I usually am.
Rummy isn’t toast. Every day he stays leads me to believe more fully that the main reason he is still there is because the Iran War planning is way too far along to create disruption to the planning team.
You, know, Doggies, there’s a book by Norman Mailer, _Armies of the Night_, which recounts what we may have to do next. MARCH ON THE PENTAGON, holding candles and singing!
Norske, you with me on this?
Hammes calls the actions and words of the admin wrt Iraq “immoral”. We have offered no hope or safety to the Iraqis.
Professor Foland #31,
Current troop levels are unsustainable. Bush people don’t understand that reality doesn’t really care whether they like it or not. Fault lines are becoming cracks. Readiness levels are down. Monkeying with the budget and juggling troop deployments and personnel just can’t cut it anymore. They are talking about increasing National Guard deployments again. These forces are likely to be cannon fodder. They are not as trained and more poorly equiped than regular military units. Rumsfeld et al could steal from Peter to pay Paul for a while but that time is quickly ending. We will start leaving Iraq one way or another simply because the reality is that we can not stay, no matter what Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfeld say.
So we should expect a “new” OBL tape or news of OBL’s #2 captured again or some such? Maybe a devious plan involving airplane peanuts?
Anything to distract from the truth.
Redshift 41 -
Beautiful.
Major props to you.
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MARCH ON THE PENTAGON, holding candles and singing! Bold and in 72 POINT. Do we really have any other choice?
All these military men are essentially saying that the military is in extremis.
Sorry, Booosh, how does that make us safer?
What Bush meant when he said that Iraq would be little more than a “comma” was that you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
How long have we known that the neocons have a grand scheme for reshaping the Middle East, the world, the distribution of its wealth, and the ranking of human beings in general on this planet?
What he means is that, by the time they’re through seeing his messianic vision to fruition, you’ll barely remember the details of what now looks like a tidal wave of disaster.
Christy — I was being facetious. I believe Frist is “clueless” with or without having seen the NIE information.
btw, I’ve found a replacement for Chuck and Rahm: Joe Scarborough. Check out his advice to Dems on how to run against the Republicans:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14961987/
Hugh @ 44
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I was all gonna be SO easy:
The “plan” was simple, an 11-Step Program (appropriately for GW, one step shy of an AA regimen):
[1] Shock & Awe;
[2] Bad Guys pee their aggregate britches and vanish “at the first whiff of gunpowder” (the ‘cakewalk’ thing);
[3] Us Noble Liberators are greeted with showers of flowers;
[4] Secure the Oil Ministry;
[5] Hang out the “Iraq-is-Now-Open-For-Business” sign (as Paul Bremer in fact did. Again, see Klein’s article);
[6] Install Ahmad Chalabi — the Iraqi Andrew Fastow — as Prime Minister;
[7] Oil gushes forth, reconstruction is “cost-free”;
[8] We get our strategic Big Footprint smack in the middle of the region;
[9] All regional Hostiles are duly cowed into compliance before the Blinding Majesty of Bushdom;
[10] PNAC opening salvo complete;
[11] On to Damascus and Tehran and beyond.
Simple. elegant. “Light and Mobile.” It just didn’t work. They NEVER considered that it might not, so in the thrall of their own fevered visions of Magnificence were they.
_
I don’t think that Fredo would throw Dummy overboard this close to an election. Makes him look weak, and that is the one thing he can never be seen as.
Ed*ard Teller @ 42
i’m with you too!
but it sounds like the march ought to be TO the pentagon so they can join us on the way to the white house.
how weird is that? what universe am i in?
A big Semper Fidelis to these gentlemen for stepping up & showing the world what professional leadership looks like in action
Time to saddle up folks, the action is coming our way and everyone needs to be ready
“Every once in a while, you’ve got to do something hard, do something you’re not comfortable with. A person needs a gut check.” - Corporal Chad Ritchie, U.S.M.C.
Batiste– it’s a shell game and we did not get the troops we needed. It was his plan and he surrounded himself with compliant people and browbeat the others.
Barry Champlain @ 49
This is my interpretation, too. Not that it isn’t also dog whistle talk.
Does anyone know where the links are that describe the carrier group’s departure from Virginia around now, bound for the vicinity of Iran?
I say linking arms, and CHANTING MENACINGLY.
This reminds me of a dark music video by Eminem, called MOSH. A fantasy of hooded gangsta types, fed up with being grist ground in the mill of war, refusing to enlist, and instead MARCHING INTO WASHINGTON, tens of thousands of them, in hoodies, young men who refuse to be funnelled into an unjust, poor man’s war, and instead take their anger right to the Capitol, right to the cowering chimp.
It’s really powerful. And it’s menacing as hell. And it’s meant to menace - well, not us, I’ll put it that way.
eaton– every 3 and 4 star general serving has made it thru Rumsfeld screen and interview.
Translation of White House response to leaks of the NIE about Iraq making terrorism worse:
“Fires existed before this, so we cannot possibly be guilty of arson!”
Not quite OT:
This morning’s CNN.com poll:
How do you feel about Congress’ record this year?
Satisfied 5% 3510 votes
Not satisfied 95% 71589 votes
Total: 75099 votes
When I first say it, it was 96% not satisfied. You think Congress might notice?
carolyn urban @ 57
link to mosh video here
Old Sow @
47
no wiki article on the march itself, but:
During the late 1960s the Pentagon became a focus for peace protests against the Vietnam War. In one of the better known incidents, on October 21, 1967, some 50,000 anti-war protesters organised by the Youth International Party, or “Yippies,” gathered for a demonstration at the Defense Department (the “March on the Pentagon”), where they were confronted by some 2500 armed soldiers.
here is a set of photos from the March 20, 2006 march - much smaller than the earlier one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/m.....086668921/
As I said here last night, Bush is telling the families of the dead and wounded that their loved ones sacrificed their lives and bodies for nothing, for a comma. That’s about as cold as cold gets.
Finally got to look at the the piece that Hamsher wrote last night about Arianna’s take on the Bill Clinton show with Chris Wallace.
How does one person (Arianna) get is so right almost all the time about just about every issue? Just smart. I guess.
What really gets me is how the power-school educated lawyers, and supposedly the hugely savvy and brilliant Clinton duo manage to get snookered so often by micro-brain Bush.
I voted for Clinton for president twice, and would probably do so again. If that was possible. But my God, Mr.& Mrs. Clinton! How many times do you have to get burned by the Bush family ’til you learn your lesson.
As regards this Democratic Senate hearing being held today on the Bush Wars, there ought to be more than a few Democrats, who supported Bush attacking Iraq, and especially those Democrats who incredibly still tell us we need to “stay the course” in Iraq, sitting at that witness table, right along with the Republicans. One particular Democrat presidential aspirant, who’s name shall remain not be mentioned, really needs to be sitting on the hot-seat explaining her or his reasons for continued support for the Bush folly that is Iraq.
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Ed*ard Teller:
I think you are absolutely correct about Rumsfeld and the Iran planning, and that’s why the military brass are goin’ public now. They know we’re gunna get our asses kicked and they aren’t gunna stay on board…at least they’re better’n the German High Command in 1939.
Attention Democrats, nobody can now say that they were kept in the dark…the fascists have no intension of lettin’ free elections go on in November…look for a nuclear attack on Iran and a declaration of A state of emergency suspendin’ habeus and the elections.
I think the only thing that can save us now is the Israeli government and AIPAC throwin in with the Democrats out of fear of a disapearin’ Israel.
KEEP THE FAITH, THIS THING IS WAY OUT OF OUR CONTROL!!!
Rummy has a powerful defender-Cheney. They were together in the Nixon admin, and were furious that any limits were placed on the presidency. When they got into power again in Jan 2001, they picked up where the left off in Jan. 1977. Neither will leave without a serious fight.
batiste is making a wonderful case against torture (immoral, illegal and making more insurgents)
Apologize if these were posted on earlier threads, but the NYT Op-Ed page has three terrific op-eds relating to the torture/detainee bills. These may be behind the wall, so I’ll summarize.
The first by Paul Rieckoff, “Do Unto Others . . .” makes the strong case that before Abe Ghraib, his combat unit in Iraq was able to get other combatants to surrender more easily by promising that the US treatment would follow Geneva Conventions. After, and since, not so much.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09.....oref=login
The second, by Arthur T. Hadley, “Firing Potent Words, from a Tank,” makes the same argument wrt to WWII:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09.....adley.html
The third is by regular columnist, Bob Herbert, “Due Process Bulldozed,” who recounts tales of journalists captured and held without charges. His conclusion:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006.....rbert.html
Batiste: In the days after 9/11 a great deal of attention was paid to how to treat detainees.
I went to Kuwait and took a look at the watered down rules– I said that morally they were wrong and unlawful and we will not do this. We will ground ourselves in the Geneva Conventions. We ended up killing and hurting large numbers of Iraqis and created anger. We had 13,000 detainees and 99% were innocent, but the way we treated them and abused them created such anger.
Great americans (soldiers) are doing unconscionable things. From day 1 we allowed the insurgency to metastasize.
The whole truth being aired out is enough to bring me to tears. This is what America should stand for. It’s astonishing how shocked we are to hear the truth. It’s been repressed for so long. This is blowing my mind.
Hugh @ 44
Yup.
angie @ 68
thanks angie! this is SOO important…. i hope EVERY D is quoting this every chance they get from this moment forward…
carolyn urban @ 32
I’ve been thinking the same thing. Thank God for the Second Amendment.
Scarecrow 68: the Rieck and Hadley articles boil down to advice known for thousands of years in the warfare business:
“If you surround the enemy, leave an outlet; do not press an enemy that is cornered.”
-Sun Tzu
The Geneva Convention was the outlet.
Batiste– I left the Army on principle. The Congress only now, today, asked me to speak.
Folks didn’t want to ask the questions.
(Powell– you listening? This is what a Patriot looks like! He resigned in protest)
1,270 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GEZ ON AND ON AND…
FDLers:
This is it folks…why do we not believe these psychopaths when they tell us exactly what they’re gunna do (see The Project for the New American Century) and then we scream bloody hell when they do just what they told us they were gunna do.
Believe it folks, we have an out of control, drunken, Christianist whacko in the White House and a tight group of fascist cadre in control of all the machinery of state.
KEEP THE FAITH, MAYBE WE’LL SEE THE GENERAL STAFF IN THE STREETS TO LEAD US!!!
angie @
69
We had 13,000 detainees and 99% were innocent, but the way we treated them and abused them created such anger.
Duh!?
Dem leadership is ready to give up Habeas Corpus so that more of this evil can be accomodated by the most incompetent hacks this country has been forced to endure?
Here is a link to Marys post on kos. Show some fdl love and a recommend or two (hundred).
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/25/135855/583
Christy on Mondays! How could anyone who knows miss it?
greetings from rome! chased from the ruins by a torrential downpour, have found temporary refuge in an internet cafe where i’m catching up on my FDL fix.
on the positive, conversations with travelers hailing from near and far show the U.S. has not yet burned all its bridges, and there are still many who look to us as an example of what could be. may we find a way to restore and preserve all that that once was.
on the other, one of my fellow traveling companions opened up that her son is with the 101st Airborne, stationed somewhere in Iraq, location classified. of his unit of nine, he is last man standing. may he not become statistic #45 for September. may we find a way out of this nightmare come November.
ciao.
Christy, “echelons” is misspelled in your article.
I sent three emails to countdown and K.O. imploring them to cover this story. In the emails I gave links to the MP3 that was provided (thank you) and the website with the testimony. I don’t know who in the MSM will cover this if not K.O. Any ideas on who else to spotlight this to? Here is the first letter I sent with the links if anyone wants to use it. The additional emails also included the protestors comments hoping that that aspect maybe would “sex it up enough” for MSM to cover it:
Countdown is the only show that I expect would bring light to this subject and I am writing to implore you to cover the travesty that were the torture hearings today. The hearing was hastily schedule by Senator Arlen Specter on Friday and hence many members were unable to attend. The proceedings were not covered by C-Span (as they also were not aware of them), but the audio and possibly video is available through congressional request. Senator Patrick Leahy has requested the record. There is an MP3 recording of the proceeding with a link here: http://netrootsmass.wikispaces.com/Senate Judiciary Committee - September 25, 2006
There were also people at the hearings that live blogged and there take is here : http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/25/94243/4687
Here is the schedule of the hearing : http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2416 with a list of all the witnesses. I am sure they would be great guests on your show. I appreciate your attention to this matter and can not encourage you strongly enough to bring light to this subject.
WOW! Jones is asking Batiste about the Office of Special Plans in the pentagon.
Batiste knew it was bs from the start.
Hammes: There is no lack of courage on the part of the Iraqis. There are mixed signals coming from us. In order to come to work they have to go thru kill zones and risk the massacre of their families.
Jones– when you saw the OSP being developed, the manipulation of the intelligence by them, were you seeing red flags?
It was disturbing says Batiste. There was a fixation to tie AQ to Iraq. One could justify just about anything if you go after it with such zeal.
Jones: when you see the manipulation that will send americans to die what can you do?
Batiste: recommends Suskind’s book; it’s (the truth) just coming out now.
Jones is bringing in the fear of meeting his maker without getting out the truth on this. Hellloooo fundies. This is incredible for the Repubs to be saying this stuff.
For context, my ex was Naval Academy and we spent some happy years as he served his country. All of us were taught there were very explicit rules not to speak about military operations or to express what could be construed as political opinions.
That being said, I am truly astonished by the courage of the retired officers who are currently testifying on CSPAN3.The Rethugs will try to spin this as “management style” issues between them and Rumsfield. However, it’s clear that these true patriots are trying to get Congress and the MSM to do their jobs.
It is very telling that “Mr. Freedom Fries”, Rep.Walter Jones (R-3NC),is sitting in on this. He represents a heavily military district and routinely attends the funerals of his constituents who die in Iraq and Afganistan. I disagree with his politics but at least he’s there representing his district. Why can’t the rest of those dimwads in Congress do the same?
from Rosiland at # 79:
one of my fellow traveling companions opened up that her son is with the 101st Airborne, stationed somewhere in Iraq, location classified. of his unit of nine, he is last man standing. may he not become statistic #45 for September. may we find a way out of this nightmare come November
of his unit of nine, he is last man standing.
God protect these young men and women!
Jane– all of these retirees are saying that there are serious constraints on speaking out while active duty. Batiste made it pretty clear that he left because of that and more.
Hammes said no matter what, there is still the first amendment.
Now they’re discussing partitioning Iraq, as if it’s our decision to make. Good God.
Hammes says if we decide to split Iraq up, millions of Iraqis will die.
Sorry my previous post/comment was on the last hearing, not the current one… so it is OT :)
1,270 dayz and the killin’ goez on and and…
Ed*ard Teller:
Have you thought about composin’ a new “War Requiem”, Ben Britten’s may be a bit dated?
KEEP THE FAITH THERE’S NUTHIN LEFT TA DO!!
Does anybody here know which MSM outlets have reporters at this meeting?
I’ve copied the url of CSPAN 3, and am e-mailing it to all the Anchorage local wingnut drive-home talk shows. I’m going to be calling them this afternoon, confronting them on these extremely important statements being made.
Is anybody using voice recognition software to produce a complete transcript? angie appears to be doing that, but…..?
Eureka Springs, AR @
78
Just needed to repeat the call!
Rockefeller talking about Phase 2 and the fact that if the leadership doesn’t want oversight or release of information, it won’t happen.
Just saw someone in the back of the room hoist a TV camera onto his shoulder, so there must be some kind of coverage there - other than C-Span.
My question is why Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld conspired to fail in Iraq; Afghanistan seemed to be going well so they cut and run from there. Why do they hate winning wars they start?
NorskeFlamethrower @ 91
I keep trying to contemplate how awful the piece would be, and blanch. Britten’s “War Requiem” would be difficult to beat. In 2004, the Anchorage Concert Association performed it. At the concert, their president had to precede the performance with a statement that the planning for the performance had been in the works since before the invasion of Iraq. The oil companies who largely funded the performance threatened to ask for their money back unless the announcement was made.
So, they had to apologize for presenting this masterpiece!
Is it time for the Democrats to form a shadow cabinet? This is a way British and Canadian opposition parties have of defining their differences with the policies of the current government. As I understand the idea, the opposition parties will each name people who would perhaps function as cabinet secretaries if they were the party in power, and have these folks explain their party’s positions on issues relating to their expertise. Of course, British and Canadian political parties have leaders who will take over the government if that party has the most seats in Parliament, rather than having a separate party head and head of state as we do. Even so, just having a recognized “go to” person for each issue might make Democratic positions on issues seem less chaotic.
The hearings the DPC are holding remind me a little of this concept. With our own