
Ah, there's nothing like other people's brushes with power to bring out the self-righteous twerp in some folks. I was just waking up and splashing around in Technorati-land this morning when I came across this homesick abortion of a post by hitherto unknown to me blogger "Liza" of "Culture Kitchen".
To wit:
When I wrote Jane Hamsher is an idiot, Barbara O'Brien scolded me for calling out this white woman's antics...I was insulted, as so other black bloggers (I think there's a verb missing here.-ed.), for ("at", not "for"-ed.) the arrogance of the act. Given how priviledged (sic) she was by having the time, money and access to blog the Lamont campaign, why couldn't Jane Hamsher find as many black and latino bloggers in Connecticut and give them a voice and visibility through her blog?
...If you answer that, you can answer why Jane Hamsher is included in this group as opposed to any black or latino bloggers.
See, Liza's pissed because nobody invited her to lunch with Big Dog. But, instead of coming right out and saying that, she's seizing on this opportunity to try and generate herself some publicity by insinuating that there's some kind of racist agenda at work. Now, I will admit that when I saw the pictures from the meeting, I was surprised at the lily-whiteness of the crowd, but upon further inquiry, I was informed that several minority bloggers were invited, but declined. Of course, silly me, I took the trouble to ask what the deal was before jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst. Sure, lack of minority bloggers is a problem, but that's not really Liza's real agenda here. She's using this as an opportunity to call attention to herself and climb up on the cross. (That last nail's a bitch, innit?)
But, Liza, honey, if you want some attention, I'll be more than happy to give you some.
First of all:
Given how priviledged (sic) she was by having the time ("in having the time", "to have the time"? whatever.-ed.), money and access to blog the Lamont campaign, why couldn't Jane Hamsher find as many (as many as what?-ed) black and latino bloggers in Connecticut and give them a voice and visibility through her blog?
Last time I checked, the dashing CT Blogger is, in fact, a black man. And we've linked to him numerous times here, in fact, probably as much or more than any other Connecticut Blogger. He shot the famous interview video Jane did with Ned Lamont that the rightards seized upon so eagerly as evidence of Ned Lamont's ties to liberal bloggers.
Not to mention the fact that Steve Gilliard (black), Pam Spaulding (also black), and Matt O (Latino) are contributors here, and our own beloved Pachacutec is a Latino man as well. Oh, and of course, I'm gay, but I guess in Liza's world, the queers don't count as a minority, cos I could swear I saw a couple of them at lunch with President Clinton. Or maybe the fact of my homosexuality is outweighed by my white-man-ism. (Or would that be my white-man-hood?) But hey, Pach is gay and Latino, so he gets double points on the aggrieved minority scale. He's got my back.
All of that is beside the point, though. We don't work with any of those people because of their ethnicity. We love them because they are all outstanding bloggers, awesome writers, and good friends.
Asking around, however, I have found out that Liza gets a lot of mileage out of playing the role of Alma Martyr. It seems she is forever bitching that Atrios, Kos, et al never link to her and she hangs the blame for this on the fact that she's a woman. Whereas, everyone I spoke with assured me that if she would actually WRITE SOMETHING PEOPLE WANTED TO READ, they'd be more than happy to send her some traffic. It's so much easier, though, to invent conspiracies and wail about The Man rather than accepting that she's just not a very good writer and kind of a muddled thinker.
So, Liza, dear, before you go assailing people who are more talented than yourself and making Jane stand in for every blond white woman who ever pissed you off, maybe you should head back to eighth grade English and, you know, learn to spell and to write in a linear fashion. Although judging from your other posts that I read, mediocrity may be a chronic condition for you. Still, I bet you could get a long way on locker-slamming and hair-flipping among the other 13 year olds. Hell, it got you your own post here tonight, courtesy of Yours Truly, and I guess that's something. You just might have a future in this blogging thing, although I think you might be more at home on LiveJournal or MySpace where you can post lots of photos of yourself to distract from your decidedly tepid prose and numerous grammatical faux pas.
Sorry if I come off a little harsh, but it's probably kinder for me to tell you all of this now rather than letting you twist around for years in your persecuted little world before you collapse under the weight of your own pretensions and fade back into well-deserved obscurity. Buuuuh-bye.
UPDATE: Okay, let's get something straight here. By using the word "betters", I meant people who are more talented than Liza, and they are legion. If you've decided that there's racial baggage in that statement, it says a lot more about your issues than mine. Another thing that frosts me about this is when people say I'm being racist by going after Liza's execrable spelling and grammar. Now, am I correct that this means you think that black people should be held to a lower standard of linguistic proficiency? That's pretty damn racist if you ask me. I don't think it's too much to ask that someone who wants to be considered A Writer should learn to properly use the language. Liza has a masters degree. I think that she should be able to properly spell the word "privilege", or at the very least, to use spell-check before she puts her posts up.
The really sad thing about this is that there was an opportunity here to address some really important points, but that opportunity has flown as an army of shameless attention-whores have jumped on the bandwagon and attempted to get their licks in. For the record, I apologize to Liza for taking such a direct route of attack, but I do believe it is worth noting that I attacked her writing and her perpetually aggrieved tone, not her gender, and certainly not her race.
I have now said absolutely everything I intend to say about the topic. Thank you for your time.
UPDATE 2: Due to widespread misinterpretation, the word "betters" has been struck from this post and replaced with something that more accurately conveys my authorial intent. Please. Stop. Whining.
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yes, indeed. Hi, T-Rex…and now to read the post :)
Theropod Snarkmeister in da house!
Good night and good luck
Gilliard brought this up earlier today, and gave the distinct impression he hadn’t been invited (though he would have declined if asked). So you might want to check that…
Nice Addams Family pic, Trex.
snarkalicious
TTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!
By the way, in a further ironic twist, that photo, which I’ve seen before (and which shows, among other things, a black man who desperately wants to be a white woman) is of four celebrity impersonators, all male!
Maybe Ann Althouse will link to Liza, and the two can bitch and moan to each other forever and ever, amen.
sigh…this crap…and the mess going on over at feministing..is just so petty. *g* why can’t we all just get along?
LindyH @ 11
NOBODY calls my homegirl Jane an idiot. And certainly not someone who can’t spell. For fuck’s sake!
TRex –
Did you spell her name right? Is there a working linky to her blogtopia (coined by skippy, hero of bush kangaroos) outpost?
If so, she is flattered beyond the beyond — ’nuff said . . .
dave @
6
I think in the comments in his section that Steve said……oh fuck it let me find his comment and quote it here:
Forgot to add…about the lily-whiteness of the group. If they would have picked me to show up and if I was in the pic, people would still think that the group still would have been lily-white. Even though I have a good part of American Indian in me, and a smattering of black from a while back.
I guess….someone somewhere would find something wrong with the group that attended, no matter what the makeup of the group was. There would have been someone who would have protested that the group did not reflect what their stereotypical view of a liberal/progressive group should have looked like….and others would just protest that such a gathering took place at all.
My goodness. I read your threat on Liza’s blog and hoped that you wouldn’t do something like this. However, I’m not surprised that you did because it’s easier to attack Liza than to address the very real tensions within the left blogosphere/democratic party/whatever regarding people of color.
Clearly, this Liza’s a racist for omitting non-white blogger Oliver Willis from her list of omitted non-white bloggers. Or, as she calls them in one of her comments, “colored bloggers.” Really. Look it up on her stupid website.
Gotta say, TRex, I was hoping tonight’s latenite was gonna be about the blogger boobies…. oh, well, this’ll certainly stir up trouble!
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zAmboni @
13
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Sonya @ 14
That wasn’t a threat. It was a promise.
I’ve had emails from Liza before, her whole thing is bitterness against anyone with traffic. It’s quite sad that she thinks someone owes it to her to deliver her from obscurity because that’s not the way it happens. I remember taking a look at her writing at the time and thinking “oh lord, someone is in denial.”
I know it’s really hard to face up to the fact that you just have no talent for the thing you want to do, I’ve seen it in Hollywood a lot and it’s always somebody else’s fault — the agents, the studio hacks, the people who Just Do Not Understand the Misunderstood Genius in the Corner. But in crying racism first and getting all the facts wrong in the process she displays the very limitations that keep her traffic at a slow drizzle.
She’s Dan Gerstein with tits.
Sonya, you don’t just lob grenades at people and expect nothing in return. Liza knew full well what she was doing when she wrote that post. She wanted attention. Well, here’s some goddamn motherfucking attention.
TRex @ 10
Agreed. I just am sighing over the fact that the idiots crawl out from under rocks everytime something good happens. Ann Althouse all but called Jessica Feministing a whore. For meeting Bill Clinton.
Sonya @ 14
Liza does not address the very real tensions within the left blogosphere regarding people of color, she makes a bunch of false accusations and tries to play the martyr. Her exploitation of a very real problem for personal gain is quite shameless.
Are we going to have the attack of the addled thinkers?
Sonya @ 14
Well, gee, what was it Liza did about this? Reads to me like she attacked. Is this going to be one of those “do as I do, don’t do as I say” tensions?
LindyH @ 20
No shit. Why is it the women are taking crap for this — from other women?
One need look no further than the cracks about blond hair and tits from self-described “feminists” to see the reason for the sad state of feminism in this country today.
In the future Liza will bring flowers to the altar of TREX and beg forgivness.
Where was all the talk of “healing, not hurting” when Jane got called an idiot by this Liza person? Seems to me her commenters are all about the healing when they are the (faux) aggrieved party, not so much when the hurter’s one of their own. Just sayin’
I also want to say, as a white person, that I found Steve, Pam (and through her, Terrance) and CT-Blogger, through firedoglake. No other blog’s better at linking to other great bloggers, some of them apparently persons of color.
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Well, she screwed herself. I won’t be going there again. I did, to read about the kerfluffle…one hit wonder (wonder why I went there in the first place). And Althouse should learn to age with dignity.
Jane Hamsher @ 20
Hmmm . . . does that comparison insult Dan Gerstein (tough to do) or the XX blogger in question?
brainfaht @
24
Don’t hold your breath.
BUT, it sure is good to see you, brainfaht!!
Jane Hamsher @
21
Jane Hamsher @
21
If you feel that she doesn’t address the real issue, then do you plan to do so or will you just drop it after a sufficient amount of insults are hurled at Liza?
i bet [dangerstein]’s got tits of his own
Sonya, you an agent provocateur? And what’s Jane supposed to do? Just let it go? That didn’t work for John Kerry and the swiftboaters, you know.
I haven’t been commenting here for very long but what I have found intersting is that it sometimes hard to tell the race, gender, age, or size of the dinosaur. It is always enlightening to read the comments here.
If you feel that she doesn’t address the real issue, then do you plan to do so or will you just drop it after a sufficient amount of insults are hurled at Liza?
Right.
We here at FDL are going to rush out and erase all the racial prejudice in the blogosphere and everyone’s going to live happily ever after.
And I hasten to remind you who started hurling insults first. Liza seems more than willing to dish it out. If she can’t take the consequences of launching character-assassinating smears, then maybe she should think twice before she posts. Or not post at all.
Furthermore, Steve Guilliard talked about this “black blogger” thing. He said if blacks want to blog, they’ll blog and they don’t need white people’s help with that.
i vote “not post at all”
please, liza.
ya know what, I didn’t know that CT, Pam, and Steve were black, and I really don’t care. I read them because they’re thoughtful, articulate, and genuinely moving with the writing they do. There is no race in that!!
TeddySanFran @ 30
Are you volunteering to find out? ‘Cos I ain’t touching Dan Gerstein’s chest.
LindyH @ 34
Amen.
The timing on all this is so funky.
I suppose for some, negative attention is better than no attention at all.
And note that when TRex called her on her post, and pointed out the fact that minority bloggers WERE invited, suddenly her point became All About Teh Blackface, the same kind of “Look - over there!” misdirection Ann Outhouse tried when someone called her on her puerile boobies post.
Liza should know that you only get one opportunity to make a good first impression. I’d never heard about what she claims is
but now I do, and I won’t be going back there again.
I too was shocked at the blog-lunch-with-BigDog picture when I first saw it; as a card-carrying West Coast progressive, my first thought was, “Why did they put all the non-white bloggers behind the photographer?” Somebody screwed up here — probably it was Peter Daou — and it better get fixed. But attacking Jane Hamsher (again!) is simply a traffic-generator on Liza’s part — she knows how fiercely loyal Jane’s fans are.
Sadly, Liza’s writing will ensure few returns.
LindyH @
31
Oh please. Just because I don’t see shit funny about this situation doesn’t mean I’m an agent provacateur. Why can’t Jane just let it go? She has already said that Liza is nothing but a squirrel in her world who can’t write. How can Liza hurt an A-lister like Jane?
I see this as avoidance of discussion of a real problem and a lost opportunity to explore ways in which to further understanding and more openness between supposed allies in this battle against the dark forces that threaten to consume us all.
yeah, TRex, how come you never blog about the dark forces that threaten to consume us all? huh? huh?
TRex @
33
I’m not surprised you said that.
So let’s see — Liza does’t address the “real issue” but just hurls a bunch of ad-hominem attacks at me and my hair (which have no relevance whatsoever to a guest list I did not make up), accuses me of never linking to African-American bloggers in Connecticut (totally and wholly untrue). Now *I* am under some obligation to rise to the occasion and tackle the problem?
I’m quite comfortable that I pay a great deal of attention to having different voices at FDL, and I hope to have more in the future. That’s all I’m responsible for in the situation at the moment. And I’m not obligated to suddenly take up the banner of the underlying problem just because some bitter no-traffic complainer who doesn’t like the color of my hair suddenly snaps her fingers.
Sonya @ 41
I see you as a rather transparent and hypocritical concern troll. To each their own.
TeddySanFran @ 42
Funny, I thought that was exactly what I was doing six days a week here.
Sonya –
There are a multitude of issues worthy of discussion, but attacking Jane is not the way to start an enlightened conversation.
On the other hand, some FDL commenters were initially identified as concern trolls, but stuck around and proved their opinions were different, but not disruptive.
Jane Hamsher @ 44
Jane, I’ll be happy to lend you my muddled and addled voice just tell me where to ship it to and I’ll box it up. :)
By the way, my spouse says to please keep it so he can have a rest…..Scoundrel.
Jane Hamsher @
44
You are absolutely correct. You’re under no obligation to do a damn thing. It just seems to me that after all the great work you did on the Valerie Plame case, the Ned Lamont campaign and other issues that “this” is beneath you.
Peace.
Sonya @ 41
Oh please. You show up at my site spreading dissent and tell me to drop it? You didn’t come here for a serious discussion, don’t pretend you came here on the high road now.
Well, if I’m the devil’s advocate, so be it. TRex, it looks like you’re being a bully. You’re snarking this Liza, who I’d never even heard of previously, smashing a gnat with a sledge hammer, as it were, thsu giving her big publicity into the bargain. She gets what she wants, plus you, and the Lake, come out looking not so good shall we say. Sorry, but I don’t get it……….
EvilDrPuma @
45
Just because I don’t contribute to the echo chamber doesn’t make me a troll.
Jane Hamsher @ 50
Spreading dissent? I thought I was being respectful in expressing my opinion.
gettin’ kinda hot in here . . .
It seems to me that there are bigger fish to fry in these months coming up to midterm elections. We need to focus on getting the house and senate out of the hands of rubberstamp republicans. Can we try to come together to achieve this goal, which, if achieved, will help all other causes under our big tent?
It never ceases to amaze that the same old cycle perpetrates in some quarters, with no regard to who or what… Person or group X says person or group Y is all wrong, out of line, ‘burning the last bridge between X and Y in this country’…
…unless they do it Person or group X’s way.
Therefore doing their part to continue divisiveness and suspicion, whether they are aware of it or not.
This might surprise some people, but Mau-Mauing The Flak Catchers is still in print. And liberal bloggers didn’t leave people in the arms of Katrina.
I am certainly interested in Liza’s views, as I do the views of others…But if mine are to be discounted out of hand because I am supposedly racist, then it makes communication and understanding difficult.
I am not a racist.
From an artistic viewpoint, which is my sole contribution to this episode, I demand to be judged on my broader work.
It was fortuitous that Gilliard linked to Liza…Forced exposure creates honesty.
So let us all take advantage of it before the exploiters come along.
…
And by the way, Jessica,
I’m sorry that I gave you huge tits.
;>)
Oh, that just demands a reference to this classic.
(BTW, the only blog I’ve ever had that is actually mine is on LJ.)
I go to blogs that communicate. Period. I don’t ask much more of a blogger than if they have a point, make it so that I can understand it. You see, blogging, for me, is not about race, ethnicity, sexual orientation or any of the things that, admittedly, divide this country. For me, it’s about communication. If a blogger can’t communicate, why would I want to waste my time? God knows, we have enough to do.
Sonya @ 53
Just because you disrupt a message board, however, does.
TRex @ 46
i’m just disappointed you’re not blogging about the Boobie Crisis of Harlem.
Sonya @ 54
What barn were you raised in, that you can call this conduct “respectful?”
Sonya @ 49
I didn’t start this. I would welcome a serious discussion of this matter. This is not it.
That should have been “all causes under our big tent”. Sorry for the non preview. my bad. :(
EvilDrPuma @
63
How did I disrespect anyone?
TeddySanFran @
61
Oh, that’s TOMORROW night, Teddy!
Where is WooT when we need him?
I haven’t seen a pair of Blue Footed Boobies since I don’t know when . . .
Jane Hamsher @ 62
WHAT matter??? All you’ve done is tell Jane it’s her responsibility to build a bridge to someone who called her a racist. I don’t get it.
Jane, let me borrow that tinfoil hat. I’m having a vision of Karl’s finger.
Sonya,
Have you visited here before this evening?
LindyH @ 69
Ew. *squick*
It doesn’t smell like Jeff Gannon, does it?
TRex @ 70
Gaaaaaaaaah! I did not need that image.
LindyH @ 72
You started it!
OT, but Billmon has a brilliant post on BushCo’s slippery slope to the destruction of our National Reputation:
A Tortured Definition
TRex @ 72
:
Thanks for the link, ck
I don’t think Sonya is being an asshole here.
ember @
70
Yes, I have. I read this blog every day, but this is the first time I’ve posted.
OK, here’s the thing about this “whiteness” of bloggers at the Big Dog meet n’ greet…
How many people know the color, ethnicity, religion - sometimes even sex - of bloggers?
I had a pretty good idea which were boys and which were girls, but aside from that, I didn’t know and I didn’t care.
And I like it that way.
Lay off, trolls. There is “no here, here.”
fwiw, one of the reasons I hang out here is because of the inclusive nature of FDL and the zero tolerance for racism, remarks derisive of belief systems/religion or ad hominem attacks– if anyone spent any amount of time reading the posts and the comments here on any given day that would be readily apparent. If one wants to take a snapshot or situation out of context and use it as a bludgeon, well then… Lots of us are relatively still anonymous here– gender, race, religion and practices are unknown for many and and I like it that way… it’s the variety of subjects and the exchange of ideas that makes this blog what it is.
We have a woman in my anti-war group who blogs, but she’s a very muddled thinker who rambles on about the evidence she couldn’t obtain, refers her readers to articles without explaining the significance of said article or how it relates to anything, etc. One time, she claimed the “Peak Oil” theory was nonsense. I asked her to explain. She said the answer was somewhere on her blog.
I checked out the page that was showing, nothing on Peak Oil. Seeing as I had something of a life to live, I moved on to other things.
Lately, she’s claimed that 9-11 was not an inside job and that she’s proven that to be the case…somewhere on her blog!
I give up. I’m just calling it an “alleged argument.”
Billy K @ 79
Jane - female from west coast somewhere?
Christy - female from WVa?
TRex - hermaphrodite from the late Cretaceous period
I always thought one really cool thing about blogs are that the people are annonymous. What can you tell from a person’s screen name. Are they a woman a man, white, black, gay straight? It doesn’t matter…. It is not the color of the type but the content of the posting….what am I missing here?
I’ve always found FDL to be a welcoming place with a diverse choir of voices. On any given day, posts and comments appear from a broad spectrum of intelligent, insightful people, and one hecka of a dinosaur.
Enlightened and progressive people start dialogues with meaningful words and gestures, not personal attacks. For Liza to attack Jane about this is wrong and demonstrates why her blog is road kill.
ummmm… blogalicious?
Laaaaah, di-dah, da-da-dee-dah
Lah-di-dah, da-da-dee-dah (4X)
punaise!
angie!
Sonya @ 78
Welcome, and I mean that with all sincerity. I’ve gotta tell you that the way you went about it got you off on the wrong foot. If you go back and read the comments I think that you will understand what I am referring to. It might help to do so tomorrow.
One of my favorite things about Jane is that she is going to defend herself from attack. Subtle or blunt, she will pick up on it and handle it swiftly.
I hope that you continue to visit and that you speak up frequently.
hi, punaise!
Sonya @ 66
Hmmm, I’d call this pretty disrespectful:
And whether you intended it or not, repeatedly harping on the point that the proprietors of a blog have some kind of obligation to address your pet issue is a well-recognized form of trolldom. The fact that TRex and Jane chose not to respond to a blogger who called Jane an “idiot” by immediately exploring the issue on which she claims victimhood does not make it any less so.
woo hoo! it’s hump day. half way through my one-month self-imposed FDL hiatus (occasional drop-in “howdy y’all”s excepted). I’d better get back under my rock soon, before 3sivund notices.
PUNAISE!!!!
Yay.
I’m still a little bemused at “concern troll”; I think I must have been off the net when that became common currency.
Despite the fact that the divisions (or rather the attempts to divide) here are real, it’s vaguely enticing to start casting this as a sitcom, since that’s how TV copes with our arbitrary labels on identity lately.
Take a bag of (rich/poor) (white/black/Latino/Asian) (heterosexual/homosexual) (strong/weak) (sane/psychotic) (conservative/progressive) (men/women) and make them interact. Comedy ensues. Usually, you’ll want to fix one or more of these variables just to get some kind of coherent audience, but Lucky Louie isn’t doing so bad….
I dunno. Is it good or bad that the way TRex has framed this whole incident reminds me of somebody getting good-natured laughs right before the credits roll?
Yo naise! Hows the hiatus? Driving you berzerkely?
“…The P-mannnn…”
;>)
TRex @ 92
i gotta say, punaise, that others have tried mightily on occasion to carry your banner, but to little avail. we miss you!
punaise @ 91
punaise, man-o-man, do we ever miss you…
punaise @ 84
punaise!
OfT: looks like it might be the end of the road for Ricky’s little Green friend –
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