
Michael Isikoff has an intriguing glimpse into a book that he and David Corn have written (due out shortly) about the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson's name to Bob Novak (and Bob Woodward...what is it about Bobs?). From Newsweek this morning:
...Armitage's central role as the primary source on Plame is detailed for the first time in "Hubris," which recounts the leak case and the inside battles at the CIA and White House in the run-up to the war. The disclosures about Armitage, gleaned from interviews with colleagues, friends and lawyers directly involved in the case, underscore one of the ironies of the Plame investigation: that the initial leak, seized on by administration critics as evidence of how far the White House was willing to go to smear an opponent, came from a man who had no apparent intention of harming anyone.Indeed, Armitage was a member of the administration's small moderate wing. Along with his boss and good friend, Powell, he had deep misgivings about President George W. Bush's march to war. A barrel-chested Vietnam vet who had volunteered for combat, Armitage at times expressed disdain for Dick Cheney and other administration war hawks who had never served in the military. Armitage routinely returned from White House meetings shaking his head at the armchair warriors. "One day," says Powell's former chief of staff Larry Wilkerson, "we were walking into his office and Rich turned to me and said, 'Larry, these guys never heard a bullet go by their ears in anger ... None of them ever served. They're a bunch of jerks'."
But officials at the White House also told reporters about Wilson's wife in an effort to discredit Wilson for his public attacks on Bush's handling of Iraq intelligence. Karl Rove confirmed to Novak that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, and days later offered the same information to Time reporter Matt Cooper. The inquiry into the case led to the indictment of Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. Armitage himself was aggressively investigated by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, but was never charged. Fitzgerald found no evidence that Armitage knew of Plame's covert CIA status when he talked to Novak and Woodward. The decision to go to the FBI that panicky October afternoon also may have helped Armitage. Powell, Armitage and Taft were aware of the perils of a cover-up—all three had lived through the Iran-contra scandal at the Defense Department in the late 1980s....
Interesting stuff. Armitage may have told Novak and Woodward that Valerie was involved in some way in her husband's selection as the CIA's man-on-the-ground in Niger, but it appears, according to Isikoff at least, that he did not have knowledge at that point that she was a covert operative, which is an essential piece of the charging puzzle for Patrick Fitzgerald's prosecution.
Recall Fitz at the presser on October 28, 2005:
...That's the way this investigation was conducted. It was known that a CIA officer's identity was blown, it was known that there was a leak. We needed to figure out how that happened, who did it, why, whether a crime was committed, whether we could prove it, whether we should prove it.And given that national security was at stake, it was especially important that we find out accurate facts....
But as important as it is for the grand jury to follow the rules and follow the safeguards to make sure information doesn't get out, it's equally important that the witnesses who come before a grand jury, especially the witnesses who come before a grand jury who may be under investigation, tell the complete truth.
It's especially important in the national security area. The laws involving disclosure of classified information in some places are very clear, in some places they're not so clear.
And grand jurors and prosecutors making decisions about who should be charged, whether anyone should be charged, what should be charged, need to make fine distinctions about what people knew, why they knew it, what they exactly said, why they said it, what they were trying to do, what appreciation they had for the information and whether it was classified at the time.
FITZGERALD: Those fine distinctions are important in determining what to do. That's why it's essential when a witness comes forward and gives their account of how they came across classified information and what they did with it that it be accurate....
In this case, it's a lot more serious than baseball. And the damage wasn't to one person. It wasn't just Valerie Wilson. It was done to all of us.
And as you sit back, you want to learn: Why was this information going out? Why were people taking this information about Valerie Wilson and giving it to reporters? Why did Mr. Libby say what he did? Why did he tell Judith Miller three times? Why did he tell the press secretary on Monday? Why did he tell Mr. Cooper? And was this something where he intended to cause whatever damage was caused?
FITZGERALD: Or did they intend to do something else and where are the shades of gray?
And what we have when someone charges obstruction of justice, the umpire gets sand thrown in his eyes. He's trying to figure what happened and somebody blocked their view.
As you sit here now, if you're asking me what his motives were, I can't tell you; we haven't charged it.
So what you were saying is the harm in an obstruction investigation is it prevents us from making the fine judgments we want to make.
I also want to take away from the notion that somehow we should take an obstruction charge less seriously than a leak charge.
This is a very serious matter and compromising national security information is a very serious matter. But the need to get to the bottom of what happened and whether national security was compromised by inadvertence, by recklessness, by maliciousness is extremely important. We need to know the truth. And anyone who would go into a grand jury and lie, obstruct and impede the investigation has committed a serious crime.
That is a whole lot of gray, isn't it? But it does not explain the central question that we've all been trying to answer from day one on this: how did Bob Novak learn that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert operative? Swopa has been all over this question, and looks at the following:
Even so, and despite the damning quotes from Armitage's co-workers at the State Dept., I still sense some nagging loose ends. Here's how I put it three months ago:
. . . if the real story of the Plame outing was as simple as Armitage telling Novak everything, and Novakula then getting a terse confirmation from Rove and going to press, it makes very little sense for Fitzgerald's investigation to unfold as it has. So it's probably safe to assume that things didn't happen that way.So what possible wrinkles are there? I'd start with the odd claim that Armitage didn't realize his apparently crucial role until reading Novak's October 1, 2003 column.
I've harped repeatedly on the fact that Novak has avoided saying clearly whether his conversation with his so-called primary source was actually the first time he'd learned about Joe Wilson's wife working for the CIA. Why did the now-indicted Lewis "Scooter" Libby tell so many lies to the FBI and the grand jury about what he knew regarding Plame's identity if he played no role in that information being passed along to Bob Novak? And why did Libby tell Ari Fleischer the exact information that Novak would attribute to his primary source just one day before Novakula met with Armitage? It seems to me that this mystery hasn't been fully resolved yet. (emphasis mine)
I'm with Swopa on this one. What possible motivation could Scooter Libby have had to lie unless he was (a) having an attack of personal guilty conscience and trying to save his own ass or (b) more likely, trying to save someone else's ass, namely Dick Cheney's.
And I think Jeralyn hits the nail on the head with this observation:
Fitzgerald has long thought Armitage did nothing criminal. Yet, he indicted Libby anyway and almost indicted Rove. Novak's original column wasn't just gossip about Joe Wilson. It outed Valerie Plame as a CIA operative. But Newsweek reports Armitage didn't know Plame's employment was classified.It's curious to me that Fitz is giving Armitage and Rove a pass, but not Libby. Why? I think it has to do with the July 12 flight to Norfolk. Fitz has not yet closed his investigation. I suspect Cheney is still in his cross-hairs. And Ari Fleischer is a key witness against Libby. Somehow, I suspect Ari Fleishcher has given more to Fitzgerald than we know. (emphasis mine)
Now, isn't that an intriguing thought? We've known for quite some time that Patrick Fitzgerald subpoenaed the phone records from both AFI and AFII, as well as other phone records -- and that Ari Fleischer has testified and/or debriefed to some extent. But that leaves a big question mark...still...as to who was the source for Novak of the information that Valerie Plame Wilson was covert. And why Stephen Hadley thought he was going to be indicted last fall.
Strange that Dick Cheney knew that information about Valerie Plame Wilson's status back in June of 2005, isn't it? I mean, it's not like he had any motive to protect his own ass or anything...oh, wait...
Emptywheel has much more on this. And I'm going to do a bit of thinking and re-reading today, and see what other bits and pieces I can dig out. Something's missing...and I have to wonder if those "found" e-mails from Dick Cheney's office have shed any light in a murky corner or two.
One wonders if Dr. Yes has some awfully good answers for those annotated marching orders on the Wilson op-ed. And whether the WHIG has the ability to stick together as the Bush Administration power numbers unravel heading toward the November elections.
And whether all those rumors about Armitage cooperation from back in May were true after all...and wouldn't that make for an interesting Fall.
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Christy and Fitz!!!!!!!!
Zero, yay - thought I would get aced out fer sure. Now to read the post.
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Novak had lousy eye contact during his softball questioning by Timmeh and then proclaimed that he thinks it is past time for his source to reveal himself…
Falta algo . . . (Yes, I’m watching Dora the Explorer this morning.)
Cheney’s the one. In my view. And Bush is the ultimate suspect. And Rove is not clean.
today Novak said he thought it was way past time for his source to identify himself. Odd.
was this to get poor, innocent, blabbermouth Armitage to confess and thus deflect the Plame outting public kerfuffle?
Is that what they say? I thought they said he did not know she was covert. I think if you got her name/info via a classified doc, you might know the info was “classified” but perhaps not know she was covert. Of course, we now that the President was authorizing release of classified info, after cherry picks, for his pressimage and also for Woodward’s book.
I’m still wondering why Gov has no plans to call Rove as a witness at Libby’s trial, even though some of the indictment describes discussions between him and Libby. ? Unreliable, saving him for something else, cut a deal on something else, figure Libby will call him anyway ?????
Christy,
That post was like a long cool drink of water in the desert.
Thanks.
PS I am saving all the coconut creme chocolates for you after you finish the diet *g*
imm at 10 — bwahahaha…thanks. :)
*Why* Armitage??? I remember when his name first came up, and I thought it was just a ridiculous smokescreen thrown up by the right to cloud Rove & Cheney’s guilt. As far as I know, Armitage isn’t a dirty trickster like the other Bushies, so what exactly was he doing?
I’m puzzled by what Novak said this morning also. He knows/thinks that the individual is in no legal jeopardy?
What Mary said at 9 — more inprecise reporting there.
And, just because the government has not listed Rover does not mean they will not call him at all. The charges against Libby can pretty much be proven by Libby’s own Grand jury testimony and emails. My guess is that Fitz (FITZ!!!) is waiting to see whether Libby intends to call Rove. Wouldn’t that x-exam be fun? If not, and if Libby’s defense goes in the direction you suggest, Rove could be called as a rebuttal witness (which makes a huge amount of sense in this prosecution). There is no duty to identify rebuttal witnesses before they are actually planned to be used.
Eli @ 12
You might want to check the late-nite thread for some interesting commentary by ET on Armitage. I’d search the quotes for you, but I have to run to a breakfast meeting.
Armitage might be on the side of the angels this time, but his chances for sainthood appear remote. Or so sayeth our ET.
Eli at 12 — I keep going back to the Boris and Natasha cue lines that keep being floated out — that Plame was a “glorified desk jockey” at CIA. And whether Dick Cheney or Scooter Libby or someone in that crowd fed that line to Dick Armitage…and he conveniently passed it along to Novak and/or Woodward, giving the WHIG their opening to plant all the shit about the Wilsons and conveniently blame it on Armitage. There is some nugget there that we just don’t have as yet…but being able to scapegoat Armitage would have taken out a very powerful critic within the Administration for the Cheney wing — Powell and Armitage discredited in one fell swoop, with the Wilsons as a side benefit. Something is there…I just can’t put my finger on exactly what.
I’m very leery because Woodward is the “journalist” in the equation, and he hasn’t published anything about this and he came forward reluctantly and late. He was essentially a stenographer for administration spin in Plan of Attack, his book about the run-up to the Iraq war. How do we know he doesn’t continue to be an administration tool in throwing Armitage (now off the payroll) under the bus? Also, Isikoff, the bearer of the tale, has sometimes been the unwitting dupe of Bushco spin. I really can’t get my head around a concrete speculation of exactly what’s happening here, but it’s awfully fishy as told.
Thanks, al-, I’ll poke around.
Thanks, Christy. It’s still weird, though - Armitage doesn’t seem like a guy who lets himself get played for a sucker or a patsy very often, and I can’t believe he would take anything those slimeballs said at face value before passing it along.
While my posts are going through - I think it is interesting to see the caution that Fitzgerald had about using the Espionage Act (probably especially in light of his knowledge that the President was giving secret authorizations to leak to all sorts of people, but still…) as opposed to the glee with which Gonzales is anticipating using it as a toehold for journalist prosectuions, via the AIPAC precedent they are setting.
It’s damn hard to fault even one call that he has made in the Libby case, even though I never thought it should have been in-housed and I still think that was the wrong decision. It is so ez to end up where you don’t want to be, overall, in the game when you decide to just “go after” people, even the ones who are not choir boys.
Did Condi stiff Tim today? The Sec. of State was advertised to appear on MTP. What happened?
WOO HOO! Fitz Fix Fabulotronic!
Thanks Redd!!
Mary @ 9
When you call a witness for your side of the case, your case is bound by the witness;s answer. In the current circumstance, it is unlikely a court would rule that Rove is a hostile witness.
So, if Fitz called rove as a witness, and Rove’s testimony was damageing to the prosecution case (if Rove is smart, he will do that subtley, by making things seem murky or trying to offer innocent explainations that call raise questions about the prosecution’s case), the gov’t will be bound by Rove’s answers.
If Scooter calls Rove to the stand. The prosecution can slice his skin off him one square inch at a time, on cross examination
Eli,
But I think it is prtty clear that he was the guy who went to Fitz and spilled all the beans. My guess is that Armitage is as likely to have mentioned this to Woodward out of that freaky chumminess that Bob promotes. Then there is no reason to think (is there?) that Woodard was Novak’s first source.
We are SOOO overddue for a Fitz fix.
Imman @14 – it will be interesting. I know they can add him, but Gov has specifically said to the judge more than once that they won’t be calling him (in connection with Team Libby’s attempts to get access to Rove’s GJ testimony). Team Libby has said they should still get the access bc they may very well call him. The judge left things hanging just a bit on that aspect when it came up, bc he was signaling that his understanding was that things would be resolving with Rove. Then, right after the last scheduled open status conf, the Rove letter ?? maybe goes out – and Team Libby hasn’t mentioned Rove again in public filings, IIRC.
The first post I ever read here at FDL said this trial will never be allowed to happen. That still stands.
The pardon comes in November so we will never know. Maybe Fitz or someone will write a memoir somdeay and answer some more questions but it’s about over.
Hello, LHP
That may be the practical effect certainly, which is why I agree with th estrategy of saving Rove for the defense or rebuttal, but the Evidence rules certainly allow a prosecutor to impeach their own witness if the go off the reservation — even if they are not “hostile.”
That happened to me once in a case — the prosecutor was not allowed to lead but did a very effective job of impeaching her own witness with prior inconsistent statements. It sucked, she had a great theory why the witness was hedging and the jury decided against my client’s interests. *g*
As for whether Rove could be declared “hostile” — now that is something I will give some more thought to (just as a mind exercise….)
Novak says in the Sun-Times today that Harry Reid is expected to “beat back” increasing pressure from the Democratic caucus to strip Joe Lieberman of senior committee positions if he defeats Lamont. The feeling here is that this will not make for happy progressives.
June of 2003.
rapier at 26 — gee, why not roll over and play dead now? Sorry to disappoint your memory, but I do not recall one post here that has ever said the trial will never happen, other than the few naysayers that occasionally appear in the comments section to throw out that speculation with nothing to back it up but a “well, Bush’s father did it with Iran Contra.” I’ve answered the question a bazillion times, but I’ll say it again here: that was then, and this is a whole other set of political circumstances. And if the Dems take back one or both houses of Congress in November, all bets are decidedly off.
rapier @ 26
November 8th, probably…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
If he defeats Lamont??? Reid should be doing it NOW.
G’night Firecanines, the futon is calling.
See ya’ll on the flip, and hoping said flip
brings some good news to our tired, overheating planet …
*plouf*
Night Medaka! :)
immanentize @ 23
It still doesn’t really explain the why.
On the other hand, I found ET’s comments about Armitage, and it sounds like he’s more of a bastard than I realized. But this still seems out of character, especially since I don’t think he has that I’ll-kill-babies-with-my-teeth kind of loyalty to the Bushies (*maybe* to Powell, but this was not Powell’s idea).
Holy flood of pent-up Plameology, Batman!
That’s one hell of a post, Ms. Smith.
First: What, then, was the intention? How seriously can one entertain the notion that Armitage was trying to help–especially given Armitage’s plentiful history of illegal dirty tricks?
Second: Is the answer to the previous question really as important as the fact that Armitage did leak the name of a CIA asset? How plausible is it that Armitage really didn’t know the classification of Plame’s identity?
Swopa @ 35
Swopa-Robin!!! Very nice….
Missed your post lhp – I have lots of lag on my connection and didn’t see your post. I understand that Rove is a weasel *g* but the tactics seem to be to make it very unattractive for Libby to call him either, all of which makes you wonder about what was going on in five GJ appearances — if none of that will be coming out via defense or prosecution. Maybe Libby’s crew will call him (they’ve floated it). Just interesting I think – given so many appearances.
There’s this contingent out there that is mostly ignorant and often some combination of envious/resentful/hostile, for reasons only their should-be analysts can divine, when it comes to FDL and Plamegate coverage.
They often attribute to this site “reporting” or statements that have never been propelled by site hosts, which is not to say occasionally linked or promulgated by some commenters.
They never have links and they never have facts. They just have bile. I’ve encountered one or two at MyDD in the comment threads, for example, and there’s this segment at Dkos which likes to get publicity or recommends by trying to take shots at this site.
Competition for getting things right is what our side of the blogosphere does best, but there’s also this thing called. . . what’s it called?. . . ah, yes, bullshit, that fertilizes funky mushrooms favored in the diet of trolls everywhere. The online version of Lieberthugs have of late been stewing said mushrooms the better to write hallucinogenic rants.
As I described last night: concern trolls.
Thank you, Swopa — and thanks for the heads up on the Isikoff piece. So many questions…so few answers as yet, eh?
Isn’t possible that ARMitage was set up?
FRAMED?
No way to get a Judge to declare him part weasel, eh?
ronaldo @ 41
Wait, are you suggesting that the Bushies might have ratfucked someone?
Unthinkable.
I have always thought Armitage and Powell where apparatchiki who could have protected Plame and the country and did nothing. Armitage and Powell had an obligation to protect Plame and the country and they failed. They were part of the group that lied us into war and now they want to pass the buck in the most revolting way.
Just because their actions are not criminally actionable, at least not in regard to this case (as opposed to some future War Crime proceeding) doesn’t alter they fact that there were part of this criminal kleptocracy and now they want to avoid taking any responsibility for it.
Woodward and Miller need waterboarding if you ask me. They are not genuine reporters - they are sinister covert operatives.
I’m honor bound to defend freedom and Novack’s been very cooperative so he can walk.
Alice Marshall @ 44
It seems I know Armitage a bit less well than I thought, but Powell definitely seems to be the consummate go-along-to-get-alonger who later bemoans the immorality or misguidedness of that which he himself had passively enabled. You know, to show what a great Man Of Integrity And Moral Uprightitude he is.
Mary @ 42
I think that comes under the evidentiary rules regarding Judicial Notice. :~)
Eli @ 43
Inconceivable!
I don’t see how the Democrats taking back either house would stymie Bush pardoning Libby. Our best hope is John Conyers holding hearings when the Democrats take back the house.
naschkatze @ 49
so good, it had to be repeated
Well, I don’t think anyone really is “reporting” (as opposed to speculating) that Armitage did not intend harm (to Wilson’s credibility), just that he did not know Plame was covert. It sure looks, from what has come out about the WH mindset at the time, everyone, including Powell and Co., was being recruited into the “circle the wagons and make the President look good” pioneers club. You have to figure a lot of people knew how Judy Miller was getting her info, and that Libby would not be acting without ok from the VP, which was pretty synonymous with ok from the President, even if we didn’t have the info we have now that the Pres himself was authorizing the NIE cherrypick leaks.
It’s also pretty clear that everyone had standing orders to make the President look good to Woodward. So I think that Armitage could very well have had all kinds of “intent” to make sure that Woodward was told that - - *^%@&$ Joe Wilson should not be believed bc he was a partisan and his trip was a boondoggle arranged by his wife — but he could still have had no clue she was covert and that whoever gave him the rib nudge on Plame or the inside scoop on her and the trip — conveniently left that part out. fwiw
Imman @47 - ROFL
Public Record?
It’s also pretty clear that everyone had standing orders to make the President look good to Woodward. So I think that Armitage could very well have had all kinds of “intent” to make sure that Woodward was told that - - *^%@&$ Joe Wilson should not be believed bc he was a partisan and his trip was a boondoggle arranged by his wife — but he could still have had no clue she was covert and that whoever gave him the rib nudge on Plame or the inside scoop on her and the trip — conveniently left that part out. fwiw
I guess that sounds plausible, but I still have a hard time believing that if he knew she was CIA, that he wouldn’t double-check her covert/classified status before blabbing about her.
Mary @ 52
That AND historical fact.
Eli @ 46
I think you still give Powell too much credit. He was more than a passive enabler of the My Lai and Iran-Contra coverups–he was right in there shoveling dirt over the evidence with the best of ‘em.
Oopsy-daisy. Sorry about turning #55 into one big internal link. Still, it’s reflexive, so it’s cool, right?
It’s so wearisome hearing, through their own subtle and self-serving leaks, that Powell, Armitage, and Rice don’t necessarily approve of the Bush actions in the Middle East. Bunk. The former Sec. of State could have resigned. You too Condi and Richard could quit this lying regime. Toadies. All.
This is just a thought, and I don’t have the encyclopaedic knowledge of the Plame case that some here do, but…On the issue of whether Armitage was Novak’s original source, there was a post here last night, an excerpt from Isikoff’s book, where Armitage is on the phone to Colin Powell, and he reads a description of Novak’s original source, and tells Powell he thinks it was him, Armitage. His own (reported) perception of the situation seems to suggest that he was in fact the original source.
But what if Novak wanted him to think that? Novak could have asked the questions in such a way as to not let on to Armitage that he had another source. Make it sound like he was fishing, when he was actually looking for confirmation. That could have led Armitage to believe he was Novak’s original source, when in fact he was not. Thus leaving the door open for Cheney, or whomever, to be the actual original source.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 48
Wait, are you suggesting that the Bushies might have ratfucked someone?
Unthinkable.
Inconceivable!
I do not think that means what you think it means.
EvilDrPuma @ 55
I don’t have a real high opinion of Powell, to be sure. I haven’t forgotten him lying to the UN to make the case for invading Iraq. His idea of a “good soldier” clearly does not include the injunction against obeying illegal orders. But he can lament about how terrible they were afterwards, and that’s *almost* as good, right?
If Democrats retake the house it is very unlikely that Bush would want to do anything as inflammatory as issuing pardons.
In any case, a Presidential pardon would have no standing in a War Crimes proceeding. Fitz’s investigation is not the end of this.
For the second highest ranking person at the State Dept. this doesn’t quite make sense. If he’s recently learned about Plame from the June memo, which was classified, how could he be so careless?
For the sake of arguement, let’s say it’s true. He’s human and can screw up. But how could he not know until Novak’s October article that he was the one who supplied the info? This was a bigger issue inside the gov’t than with the public until late Sept. (when the DOJ started investigating) and you’d assume anyone who knew the name of Valerie Wilson and spoke it out loud during the summer of ‘03 would do a serious gut check after the July Novak article.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
precisely so
Alternate theory: Libby lied because that is what members of the Bush inner circle do to outsiders: they lie, consistently and reflexively. It is a matter of dark-side trust to them that they never tell the truth to outsiders. Libby was just doing what he always does, expecting that if worse came to worst Ashcroft/Gonzales (and eventually Roberts) would watch his back.
In which case, Libby is the last indictment we will see from Fitzgerald. And after the 2006 elections Libby will be preemtively pardoned.
Cranky
EvilDrPuma @ 55
I had a startling thought while wearing my tinfoil today that Colin might be in a witness protection program somewhere with a fleet of old volvos to repair and then I went a-googling. Nope– despite surgery to repair a torn achilles tendon, he was busy doing this:
(snip)
(emphasis mine)
http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=9932
fwiw, I really soured on Colin Powell when as Chief of Staff, he fought Clinton on admitting gays in the military. Powell, the GOP and conservative Dems like Sam Nunn (and probably Joe Lieberman) all opposed gays in the military. Feh!
but I would love to suggest an author do an expose / biography on Woodward and his involvement in the Wilson affair
I would love to get an investigative take on where bob went down the wrong path, if his deception was deliberate
I would love to get an investigative take on whether or not exposing Valery wasn’t so mcuh about her husband, but really had to do with eliminating the intelligence that would prevent them from completing the PNAC game plan to go from Iraq to Iran
obviously, if Val’s husband would expose the hoax perpetrated on the military that brought us into Iraq, they would surely have concern about Val exposing the credibility of their case in Iran
I think this is the kind of of book we need BEFORE the president goes forward with the pnac’s plan for war in Iran
problem would be, the book would have to get published before we went to war in Iran, after we initiated the aggression a book would serve no good.
greenwald has an excellent post up pointing out that the president actually thinks congress is not involved in going to war in Iran, and that congress can’t rescind his authority to war in Iraq.
we need this information to be publicized before the damage is done, after the damage is done isn’t much help
OT, but Eli @32, here’s what Bob Geiger says about why Reid isn’t threatening Lieberman:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/
And, while many of the calls for harsh action from Reid may be righteous, bloggers castigating him for not stripping Lieberman of his committee assignments — especially his standing as ranking Democrat on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee — and urging their readers to call Reid’s office to harangue him about this, are simply wrong and not reporting accurately on what is or is not within Reid’s authority.
Based on the way the Senate works procedurally, this is simply not something that Reid even has the authority to do.
Let me break down why that is.
The membership in Senate committees is decided at the start of every Congress with a haggled-out thing called an “organizing resolution.” The entire Senate votes on it and it usually passes by unanimous consent. Organizing resolutions can also happen when party shake-ups occur in the middle of a Congress, like when Vermont’s Jim Jeffords bolted from the GOP in 2001.
To give Joe his well-deserved comeuppance by taking him off committees and effectively making him the most junior member of the Senate, Reid would have to formally propose an amendment to the current organizing resolution, manage to get it to a vote and then get every Democrat and a handful of Republicans to vote for a new committee organization sans Lieberman. If Majority Leader Bill Frist decided to filibuster Reid’s action, 60 votes would be required to keep it alive.
Based on that procedural construct, Harry Reid can’t just unilaterally, or even by a closed vote of the Democratic caucus, strip Lieberman of his committee assignments.
If you read Isikoff’s article, it looks like everyone (including Isikoff) is carefully parsing their statements. Two examples:
“Armitage acknowledged that he had passed along to Novak information contained in a classified State Department memo: that Wilson’s wife worked on weapons-of-mass-destruction issues at the CIA.”
Isikoff is saying that Armitage passed along information from a classified State Department memo, but he does NOT say that the memo is where Armitage got the information in the first place.
“Armitage, a well-known gossip who loves to dish and receive juicy tidbits about Washington characters, apparently hadn’t thought through the possible implications of telling Novak about Plame’s identity. “
The key word in this sentence is “apparently”. Isikoff is reporting what he’s been told, but he’s not letting himself get spun. If you read the sentence with emphasis on the word “apparently”, you’re force to conclude that either (a) Armitage is a moron, or (b) Armitage knew exactly what he was doing and is now trying to cover his ass.
Thanks, pol! I did not know that.
Reid could, however, pledge to do so should Lieberman win.
Armitage told Charlie Rose he was the only character in the Plame saga that had not hired a lawyer.
pol @ 68
well then, lina, sure sounds like he bellied up to Fitzgerald’s bar stat!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
Amen. Powell in particular maintains this aura of being above the shenanigans of the rest of the Bush administration. He gave that now totally discredited February 5, 2003 speech at the U.N. with his illustrations of bioweapons labs on trucks, his vials of ricin, and his aerial surveillance photographs of … nothing. The fact that he never resigned in protest at any point after that, completely blows whatever is left of his fake halo to smithereens. He’s in it up to his elbows and is as blameworthy as any of the bastards.
Frank @69
That’s exactly what I was getting at. It makes no sense that he was chatting and slipped up. Someone new to gov’t service, maybe. A longtime, high ranking person making a rookie mistake? Nah.
This is very complicated and I may be confused…But I’ve always thought it was Cheney and loyal assistant Libby being the fall guy. Today on Meet The Press Novak said the leaker is someone who should have come forward by now.
It’s Cheney. And Libby didn’t do nuthin’.
Blog pimping alert. fromm greenwald, unreal.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.....-bush.html
*ilson46201 @ 66
Powell, as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, later also opposed any intervention in Slobodan Milosevich’s wonderful and progressive plan for “One Yugoslavia.”
Powell likes to bill himself as a “fiscal conservative and a social liberal.” Social liberal, my hairy white ass.
immanentize @ 27
Yeah, you can impeach him if he deviates from his prior testomony or statements, BUT what if his prior testimony and staatements a full of the kind of spin I am talking about. What if Rove techinically tells the truth (thereby saving his own ass) but does so in a way that will have the opposite of the normal effext on the jury?
Remember that is Rove greatest skill.
Christy: final phrase: “…and wouldn’t that make for an interesting fall.” Love the double entendre.
While we’re talking about Fitz and Armitage, if y’all haven’t read emptywheel’s post, you really must - especially the comment thread. Some v. intriguing stuff there.
yeah well, Powell did declare that genocide was going on in Darfur and then did absolutely nothing about it.
BBC
Finding cash to fund TV commercials is “the only thing that matters in American politics now”, former US Vice-President Al Gore has said.
“The person who has the most money to run the most ads usually wins,” he told the Edinburgh TV Festival.
It was “astonishing” that the average American devoted nearly five hours a day to TV viewing, he added.
Those are the kinds of ridiculous statements that make me go very sour, very fast. Are we REALLY fighting to make sure Saudi Shiites can have pro-Hezbollah and anti-royal family demonstrations? Bull. And even here at home, isn’t some part of the fight, somewhere, anywhere, so that someone, anyone, addresses the SUBSTANCE of the demonstrations?
I won’t comment on the other, but his “My Lie” problem didn’t get addressed in the 12 step program.
angie @ 83
Powell doesn’t seem too bothered by mass murder in general, does he?
nope.
Frank Probst – he also doesn’t say why Armitage would have thought there was no problem in passing along info contained in a classified memo.
I have yet to really trust a Newsweek article – they seem so interested in creating figures of salvation as opposed to reporting.
Mary @ 38
I suspect (but have no basis for this in fact) that Rove went into the GJ and did what Rove does best= Down is up, bad is good, black is really purple. welcome to Kraziworld.
I am willing to bet money that what he said is techinically true (or close enough to true to make a perjury charge feel like a bit of a strech), but couched in such terms that the effect on the jury would be the opposite of what it should be.
Which would explain why Fitz would not want to risk calling him if he doesn’t absolutely need to, but Irving might if Fitz got the facts that Rover copped to into evidence and Irving needs someone to SPIN SPIN SPIN those facts to the jury.
Do not believe for one moment that Rove checked all his skills at the door of the GJ room and came in there and bared his black soul.
He was in the fight of his life, had time to prep for each appearance and can be expected to have turned in the VERY BEST BIT OD SPINNING OF HIS LIFE.
Just a theory, a product of my imagination aided by a squoosh of deductive reasoning
Mary @ 84
I might add the ability to demonstrate (assemble) peacefully in this country is a big fat myth.
Mary @ 85
Hmmm, from where I sit (Toronto) it sou