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So, let me get this straight. We've gone from blaming the Lamont campaign, to blaming unnamed nefarious hackers...to the Lieberman campaign spammed its website into oblivion?!?
A hacked module -- a form, Hubbell theorized -- was generating thousands of emails to joe2006.com addresses. Even after removing various functions from the site, the problems persisted, Hubbell told me. "There were multiple spam attacks," he recalled. "It seemed like it was internally spamming itself, and there was also potentially an outside source that was hitting it.""There's. . . some investigation going on to as to seeing where the [outside] spamming came from," Hubbell said. "That's offsite, more on where the Lieberman committee is at."
Do you mean that the Lieberman campaign is investigating the spamming itself? "Yes," Hubbell replied.
The FBI is wasting precious manhours because Joe Lieberman's servers were spamming themselves?!? I would be laughing my ass off if I didn't know how valuable that investigative time is for the white collar crime computer reconstruction folks -- I've worked with them on child pornography cases and other criminal matters. Spending their time investigating computer incompetence? Not amusing.
And what about all of the media patsies who jumped on this Lieberman-campaign fax and interview blitz -- hyping it all over the place on election day yesterday -- while people were voting and/or heading out to the polls? Blaming the Lamont campaign for...some Lieberman staffer's own computer screw-up?!?
Time for a blogger ethics panel...
(H/T to The Muck and to *ilson for the heads up on this. And here's Monty Python and the Holy Grail's Black Knight scene. No, I'm not trying to allude to anything...why do you ask?)
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NED!!
Christy, thank you for the post, and why do I doubt that we’ll see *any* mention of this on MSNBC (hacks up a beardly hairball) or Headline News?
Video from today’s “Unity Press Conference” wherein all prominent CT-Dems endorse Lamont and DeStefano
Sorry for the OT comment. :)
Christy at night!
last time I checked, Joe’s website was still blaming Ned… here’s a question - if the site were indeed having all these difficulties, how is it they can still post a page claiming it’s all Ned’s fault?
Isn’t broken just broken?
“It’s just a scratch, Ned.”
“You’re arms off, Joe.”
scarecrow
volunteering in CT for Ned!
Joe running against the Democratic Party could cost us those 3 winnable House seats. Not good!
www.CT4Joe2006.com
I demand Tweety moderate the blogger ethics panel, since he pushed the story, was told it couldn’t be true and that Lamont had condemned it in the a.m., and still hasn’t faced the facts or reported the truth.
Still in service to the master (Jack Welch), Chris?
epu’d yet again.
i’ve had enuf hadassah and too many bowls of glutenous red colored jollo. burp!
Here are the interviews from the Newshour
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vo.....te/ct.html
And on ABC Markos had a soundbite inbetween Lieberman’s.
There is also this story which is different from the one on the west coast feed at least
Lieberman Blogged Down in Connecticut
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics.....id=2291085
sorry to give us a douse of cold water, and I think I might have posted this before but from my pda and I can’t find it so I’m posting it now incase it didn’t get through
my prediction;
joe will run without a republican counter part, republicans will be implored to vote for him by the entire republican party and the pundits, ie, rush, hannity levin, coulter, bush,rove
there will be some democrats that think joe will be able to bring home the bacon better then a novice, and Bush will deliver some pork for lieberman to prove the point
lieberman wins the general election
that’s my prediction
it will come to pass UNLESS the dlc and EVERY DEMOCRAT starts calling Joe a republican AS SOON AS HE MAKES THE INDIENDANT PROTOCOL
the dlc MUST renounce Joe as a democrat EVEN NOW as he threatens to run as an independant
he MUST BE VILLIFIED in the eyes of every single democrat for lamont to carry ct in the general election
Completely irresponsible. Wow.
CHRISTY!!
The FBI has nothing better to do than prop up Joe’s personal regime and fantasies. DonchaNo?
Having problems getting my comments to go through.
I think I’ll blame the Joe Losernman campaign.
The Joomla security forums mention a range of hacks and exploits, mainly down to third-party extensions that weren’t properly audited. Apparently, HoJoe.com was using an extension that was notoriously exploit-prone, even if the admins had all the latest security patches.
Some of the people there have their suspicious about what happened, though they haven’t expounded on them, probably to avoid spreading the exploit before it’s patched. But they’re saying it probably wasn’t a DDOS.
me to me,
Didn’t you predict Joe would win the primary? Or was it just the general he will win?
me to me - I think you underestimate the anger that Joe has caused amongst the Democrats in CT…
I DO think the key to tapping that anger and disgust is to make sure other prominent Dems point out that betrayal…and support Ned with enthusiasm…
Watching Loserman on the PBS News Hour right now. What an unbelievable schmuck he is.
All day long I’ve been asking myself:
I wonder what Loserman’s rabbi thinks of his ethics?
EPU’d
But Lieberman said he was anxious to renew the debate, calling Lamont an example of the polarizing forces that voters were tired of in Washington. His victory was fueled in part by grass-roots and Internet activists adamantly opposed to the Iraq war.
“I don’t want these folks to take over my party or American politics,” Lieberman said on CNN on Wednesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200.....ticut_dc_3
omigawd — Holy Joe is coming up on Larry King Live ! Barfarooni (the Hartford treat)
some Lieberman staffer’s own computer screw-up?!?
I don’t think this conclusion follows logically from the statements that were made.
shoephone @ 20
Joe’s ethics are situational, couched as “principled”
Another media hitpiece from the Republican National Committee :
FROM FDR TO NED LAMONT: THE DEMOCRAT PARTY’S TRANSFORMATION FROM STRENGTH TO WEAKNESS
http://www.gop.com/weakandwrong/
crude ugliness for authoritarian follower types
read their talking points, watch the video
will it sell?
i’m like 99% sure lieberman’s been using self-tanner.
see lk live right now.
OT- Revdeb, thanks for the info on the Canon Elura 100. I went to your link and did a wee bit of research and that’s the one I’m going to buy. Gotta get some good footage of my fiance’s four-year old….some of the shit that comes out of her mouth. LOL.
why isn’t Ned on Larry King? He won the thing!
as Sharkebabe would say:”Go to your room Larry.”
I did not predict joe would win the primary..democrats are voting in the primary
democrats AND republcians vote in the general
and you missunderstood me
I am predicting joe wins IF the democrats don’t start demonizing him as a republican as soon as it beoomes clear he WILL run as independant
only if we don’t demonize him in democrats eyes.
it was sort of a back door attempt to call us to arms…which of course I know is what we are allready doing, but we have to get the democrats that are not as active as we are to understand what joe actually is
“joe, you never ran an honest campaign.”
“yes i did.”
“no you didn’t.”
“yes i did.”
“no you didn’t. you constantly spouted lies about lamont and your own positions!”
“no i didn’t.”
“yes you did.”
“no i didn’t.”
“yes you did! even now you don’t own up to reality! you still see yourself as a moderate, when in fact you never voted like a democrat when it mattered!”
“yes i did!”
“no you didn’t.”
“yes i did.”
ad nauseum, emphasis on the nauseum.
orangejumpsuit, Gray, and I were discussing this in the “chicken on vacation” thread. Here’s my comment, and just start scrolling down from there:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-235082
To put it mildly, system administrators or programmers first thinking their systems are under attack, and then realizing the problem is in some recently added or changed software is a common one. I can’t say that’s what’s happened here, but I see no reason to exclude the possibility.
So the FBI is investigating the alleged Lieberman hack attack?
I wonder whether Cheney is giving the FBI their marching orders now like he does the CIA and the NSA.
You know, “You WILL find evidence of weapons of mass destruction…”
Or, “You WILL find evidence of Lamont campaign culpability…”
ps just came over to say big props to jane and christy and everyone else for their big work in this momentous historical (and hysterical) moment in american politics.
Ok, OT I know, or maybe not completely, but…
In light of Mehlman’s refusal to endorse the GOP candidate in CT and numerous reports of Rove courtesy calls and offers of support: we’re watching real close to detect any signs of overt or (more likely) covert support of Joe’s “independent” campaign from the GOP, right? I don’t know how much he’s got saved up from his incompetent primary run, but I expect he’s gonna need all the cash he can lay his hands on. We know the GOP has bought and paid for various Green Party organizations, so this is definitely in the game plan. Has this been posted on before? Is it too obvious to mention? I’ve been offline for the last couple of days so haven’t had time to check, but it deifintely bears close watching.
I don’t like Gwen Ifil, but she just made me laugh. At the end of her interview with Lieberman, he said something like “I look forward to talking to you again through this exciting campaign.” The hmph she gave him was short, dismissive, and a little contemptuous.
As I said, I don’t like her much, but Gwen Ifil is a reliable conduit of the CW; and there it was, in a half-second snort.
LK: is it kinda weird knowing that right wing repubs are endorsing you?
JL: uhhhh, yeah.
well, that’s refreshing.
Joe on Larry King Lies just said if he had it to do over again, he would invade Iraq…
Holy Joe just reiterated that he would still have gone into Iraq
If the investigators discover Rove’s fingerprints on the hack then I’d happily spend the tax dollars. Joey conjured the R word first! Maybe Joey’s kids know. Somebody buy Atilla a latte!
The joe2006 website is STILL implying that the Lamont campaign was involved in hacking…any lawyers care to speculate as to whether or not Ned has any standing to sue?
sen. lieberman was “lost” by larry king before he could discuss The Kiss. yeah, i so believe that. lalalalala, i can’t hear you larry!!!!
shoephone @ 20
Do you mean Joe’s rabbi lambs?
Rob Zuber at 23 — you tell me, then, how the Lieberman campaign’s computers just randomly started spamming themselves if it wasn’t human error? Should we blame the evil computer gremlins sent by political enemies in the fourth dimension? Or perhaps some evil hacker sneaked into the building the night before the day before the election? Or what exactly? Because an internal spam loop had to start somewhere internally…
wow cnn.
now my teevee smells like stinkyman and other stinkyoldman
It was a moment of unexpected levity last night when Schlessinger called Lieberman “Joey Two Time”. That little joke humanized the guy for me, and now that Melman seems to be dissing him I’m feeling a twinge (just a twinge) of empathy. He must feel like crap just about now.
Joe just said it would be wrong if we “cut and ran.”
Doesn’t he have any sense of self-reflection?
What the hell does he think he just did?
Larry King just couldnt bear to say and didnt say the name Ned Lamont or the Democratic nominee for Senator from Connecticut
LindaR @ 35
I heard that on the radio, too; it was good for a chortle.
Here’s the sterility of the Joe-vironment and the enthusiasm of his dedicated and motivated staffers–all in one juicy photo:
http://www.futurebird.com/images/angryliber.jpg
Could this be the culprit?
joe doesn’t have a rabbi. he has a rabbit named karl in a hat.
I have to push the Kiss Float a lot…
I don’t believe the spamming was random at all, Christy. . . and I don’t think there was human error (unless you count eee-vil as human error.)
I think it’s a classic Rovian tactic (probably prescribed by the dark lord himself): spam your own damn computers on election day (an election that was affected by, um, computers and computer users), make a big stink On Election Day, and blame blame blame Lamont’s campaign.
Or is that totally obvious to everyone else, too, and I’m just tired and not getting it?
Lieberman is a vindictive piece of nasty work. He’s going to cause Lamont to take on not just the Republican candidate but “Himself”. I think Lieberman cares as much about Lamont’s defeat, as he does for his own triumph. Of course I realize there are other factors and commitments in Joe’s quest. The hope is that Senator Lamont will not accept dubious contributions, especially from over-seas special interests.
Joe has painted himself into a terrible corner, and he has a very limited time in which to extricate himself before his entire career is tarnished by this very selfish and un-statesmanlike decision.
He’s still talking about what a good Democrat he is, but now he’s saying it from the position of someone whose name will not appear as a Democrat. From the moment his internal polling started to look bad, he ran for the cover of an independent run, determined not to be outfoxed by something as trivial as rejection by the Democratic party he claims to care so much about.
By saying he puts country and the people above the party, he is saying that his own party’s positions on things like energy and health care and Iraq are the wrong positions. That’s what got the voters charged up to vote for Ned - people want a Democrat to fight for Democratic values and positions. It’s one thing to reach across the aisle, but if you have to get out of your seat and cross over the aisle to do it, you’re not extending a hand of cooperation, you’re abandoning your party.
The GOP is already targeting the Dems as soft on security, and Joe will take up that talking point, and will sound like Dick Cheney when he goes after Ned. I do not think that a deep-blue state like CT wants another Dick Cheney to represent them in the Senate; we don’t need more hawks who think force is the answer to everything.
I give Joe a week or less of listening to his friends paint him a picture of how he will be remembered - and vilified - if he continues to stick with his campaign, but the trick will be coming up with a face-saving reason for why he is standing down.
Spamming himself? figures. Those bastards just aren’t going to let go gracefully, are they? We’ll have to pry the office from Joe’s cold, dead hands, it looks like. Too bad, really — there’s a better way.
The trouble with the conventional wisdom about Joe winning a three-way race this fall is that it IS the conventional wisdom — a nostalgic look in the rear-view mirror. Back to a time when Joe was a VP candidate, his party’s standard-bearer, not the pathetic joke and spoiler wannabe whose rapidly shrinking support is melting further day by day. And there won’t be much left after the comics get through with him. A lot of Stewart shows — or perhaps more important, given his demographics, Leno shows — between now and November.
After he gets over the shock of defeat, we can hope that Joe sees this is really all about generational change (not the generation of officeholders like Lieberman, but rather of the grassroots, or lets say netroots.) Whether you view it in terms of Kuhn’s paradigm change or Dylan’s Mister Jones, some players — and ideas — are leaving the stage, while others are just starting to play their parts. Joe can accept that and walk off the stage gracefully, or he’ll most likely just end up taking an even bigger pratfall.
And the most hilarious thing was hearing Schlesinger describe himself as Left of Lieberman on Iraq!
Couldnt justice department prosecute Lieberman for a complelete fabrication? They did this without proof. This is totally Rovenian in nature.
Christy @43
“Because an internal spam loop had to start somewhere internally…”
Isn’t an internal spam loop a great metaphor for both Joe and Bush spamming themselves with their own versions of reality?
One of the web ironies is that those of us who stayed at the hotel acrosss the street from Lamont HQ did so not merely because it was convenient but because they provided free wifi. But when we got on FDL, we found we couldn’t post comments, though all of us tried to send back reports each day. I sent maybe one because I went on-line, but others like Kathryn/MA, Selise, RevDeb were stymied. So you didn’t hear from most of us. We’d type something, hit “submit” and it would just disappear into some EPU.
Somewhere, in some stange EPU, there are dozens of attempted comments from the last five days, just floating around. Brilliant comments, all.
I now suspect the Lieberman web guys did the Hotel wifi!
(The Lamont folks made sure the “blogger room” for the victory party did not have this problem, which is why all the bloggers could post stuff in real time last night. )
Spam-a-loop
O’BRIEN: Do you think the voters, and you referenced angry voters in your concession speech last night, do you think they’re more fed up about partisanship than fed up about the war in Iraq, which is the position that Ned Lamont’s been very successfully able to ride to victory?
LIEBERMAN: Yes. Well, I think you’ve got to look at the numbers in politics. And I think basically what the vote yesterday showed was that three percent, three-and-a-half percent more of the Democrats who voted yesterday were more fed about President Bush and where the Iraq war is going. It looks — none of us are happy where it is now, than they are fed up with the partisanship.
But I think among all the voters, there’s too much domination of our politics by the extremes of both parties. There’s a broad mainstream of American government that wants us to — politics and people, that wants us to get our government together and do something.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA.....tm.01.html
He’s still talking about what a good Democrat he is, but now he’s saying it from the position of someone whose name will not appear as a Democrat. From the moment his internal polling started to look bad, he ran for the cover of an independent run, determined not to be outfoxed by something as trivial as rejection by the Democratic party he claims to care so much about.
My prediction is that the Democrats are going to go easy on Joe in the general election out of fear that he’ll vindictively jump to the Republicans if he wins.
I don’t think they should, but I think they will.
Jenny from the Blog @ 56
Aren’t most people?
I don’t think you guys should be so dismissive of the FBI investigation. After all, President Bush called and told them, “I’ve got a Medal for whoever can find Joe’s Hacker! Shiney pretty medal. “
just wonderin: could joe have switched to an R if he wanted? Or was creating the “independent democrat” party necessary?
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hey folks….
was Karl involved with the Texas gooper who screamed about the bug they just happened to have found…right before the election?
the gooper’s implicit msg: the dems planted the bug.
hmm - another page from Karl’s young rethuglican playbook?
Madison Avenue Guy said,
“Joe can accept that and walk off the stage gracefully, or he’ll most likely just end up taking an even bigger pratfall.”
I’m not much of a sports fan, but can anyone come up with an analogy of a famous athlete who didn’t have the sense to retire when he was past his prime, and ended up humiliating himself?
scarecrow @ 59
I think there’s something funky with the comments since the upgrade. I can’t comment from my Treo smartphone at all anymore.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
I know nothing technical, but I read the TPM piece to say there were inside and {perhaps an} outside spam. And the comment above from p in nc17 made me wonder if they chose some platform that was easily hacked (what’s a security forum where folks don’t share their ideas?).
My take is that maybe something came in from outside and starting laying spam eggs in the stinkyman’s server. But shouldn’t they have protection from that, whether from outside or, once in, inside?
As I say I know nothing. Prolly you can tell.
neurophius @ 67
Willie Mays, unfortunately.
Good God…Larry King AND Joe Lieberman together? Have the camera lenses shattered yet?
neurophius @ 67
Ricky Henderson? nah. I think he is still playing…
neuro @ 67
Mr. T?
neuro -
There was a boxer whose name escapes me… but I think he came back and didn’t make it… big humiliation. Maybe 6 or 7 years ago?
Yesterday, CNN’s Candy Crowley reported that Leiberman’s web site had been disrupted. She said that dirty tricks might be responsible. She also reported that the Lamont campaign denied any involvment. The kicker: as she ended the piece, she reported that Ned Lamont asked the culprit to please stop.
The implication was that Lamont’s team was somehow involved.
Joey Two-Time! I love this.
punaise at 70 — ahh, but we’ll always have the over-the-back catch. Got my hubby a signed baseball, framed in a shadowbox with a photo of the miracle catch for his birthday several years ago. :)
punaise @ 70
Falling down in the outfield in a Mets uniform. Sigh.
I thought Lamont’s kind words about Lieberman’s service sounded an awful lot like something someone might say at a retirement ceremony.
I’m proud to say I was sporting an official Black Knight t-shirt when I was in CT, one of my all time favorite scenes.
Joe is a loser all around, and he’s demonstrating it with his Loserman Whine-a-paloza Tour.
From John at Americablog
Veteran Democratic strategist says Lamont should challenge Lieberman and Bush to a debate
http://americablog.blogspot.co.....-says.html
kirk murphy
That WAS Rove. He said he found a bug in his own office, when he was a campaign manager or consultant or something. He planted it.
punaise @ 49
Gwen’s final sound was totally contemptuous — it’s something that Black women in particular do. I was astounded it wasn’t cut out.
There was a boxer whose name escapes me… but I think he came back and didn’t make it… big humiliation. Maybe 6 or 7 years ago?
All Of Them.
Joey Two-Time is Pungent O’Stinkyman?
susan 75 -
I know, that made me cringe. But I think Ned considered it could be an outlier blogger or whatever, and just felt he had to say that - He was responding quickly to a horrible accusation.
Actually, Lieberman isn’t running as an Independent Democrat (which would be against Connecticut law, as I understand it) or even as an Independent. He is running as a Connecticut for Liebermanian.
Well, he certainly seems to suffer from Liebermania.
neurophius @ 32
I’ve been thinking this all day. They are going to find a Lamont supporter to indict.
The scenarios that lead to an application going spammo-nutso (regeneration) is either stoopid-bad code by dweebs or malicious bad code by design. How it got there is an interesting question. It could have been applied externally (much discussed already) or it could have been launched “locally”.
The take-away is the dramatic disconnect between Joe’s point of view and how things actually work.
I am reposting comment in this thread:
Could someone please tell me if Karl Rove’s job is to act as a political operative, is he on the federal payroll? If he’s acting on behalf of the Republican Party, isn’t it illegal to do so as an employee of the US Government? Do you recall any other administration having a political operative on the government payroll? I thought government employees have restrictions on what they can do politically.
Also, for those who asked about video cameras, I didn’t see a note whether this was for personal use, or if you were planning to tape a segment for the blogger commercial. If it’s for the commercial, I’d suggest that you ask if anyone in your area has a high definition video camera. It makes a world of difference if it’s for a commercial enterprise. Also, you might check with your high schools or community colleges. They often teach video techniques, and you may be able to use their services (probably for a slight fee). If it’s for personal use, I’d vote for Sony. Their cameras have been pretty good.
If the server is spamming itself, it plausibly could be because it’s infected with some sort of virus or other malware.
Eli -
Okay, now I’m googling the boxer thing. I can’t believe I am doing this because I’ve never seen a boxing match. But I DO REMEMBER ONE SPECIFIC boxer who made a big deal about coming back and it was kind of pitiful. :)
before I buy it — is it Joey Two Time or TimeS ? is there a final S or not ?
the following has nothing to do with anything except my facination with the large amount of skin on joe’s face.
i think if joe jumped from a tall buiding and grabbed his cheeks he would soar thru the air like a flying squirrel.
Mike Tyson?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
a thing of beauty, that catch. 1954 World Series* vs. the Cleveland Indians - a drive by Vic Wertz, IIRC.
(I remember Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, and Marichal in SF, mid 60s. Gaylord Paerry, Jimmy Ray Hart, Jim Davenport, Tito Fuentes, the Alou brothers.)
*Dodger fans may refrain from reminding us Giants fans that the Giants haven’t won a World Series since then….
The server was eating paste.
MMMMmmm. . . paste!
scarecrow @ 59
{{{{… but didn’t post much stuff last night nevertheless }}}
KIDDING.
Glad you guys had a great party in Meriden !
Like him or hate him, but at least LBJ had the decency to leave the scene when his time was up. IIRC, he disappeard to his Texas Ranch, grew long hair like a hippie, and drank himself to death.
Hmmm…could history repeat itself?
*ilson -
It’s “two times”, I think. I just checked wrt “GoodFellas” and that’s what it says.
Sugar Ray Leonard?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
I caused something similar on a site application I was coding a few months ago in PHP…my module was buggy, and just kept recursively calling itself due to a typo. I broke it so bad I had to go into the SQL and fix it manually just to get the application to even run properly.
I can see how screwing up something involving a web database could do this. But yes, someone either onsite, or with remote access (in other words with userids and passwords) would have to explicitly cause it to start.
the “No mas” guy? Carlos somebody or other
shooogarp
“he disappeard to his Texas Ranch, grew long hair like a hippie, and drank himself to death.
Hmmm…could history repeat itself?”
I’m sure Joe has a standing invitation at a certain pig ranch near Crawford…
punaise @ 101
Roberto Duran?
Eli - I thought Lamont’s kind words about Lieberman’s service sounded an awful lot like something someone might say at a retirement ceremony.
That’s it! Joe is just holding out for a gold watch and a lifetime parking place.
punaise @ 101
That was Roberto Duran.
One of the things we kept reading in the papers in the days before Tuesday was that Joe had tons of money and 10,000 or so troops for his GOTV effort. So we were expecting to see lots of trained JL supporters on Tuesday — and we were briefed on how to handle potential aggressive tactics (be non-aggressive) — but we didn’t see these troops. We were suprised to find that at some places, there was no one there, or even polling places with no Lieberman signs.
There was a theory that with the internal polling, the L folks knew they would lose and had already decided to preserve cash for the next phase. Hence the cover stories of diverting some cash from GOTV to last minute ads.
Without knowing the facts, the L folks put out the claim re their web site that they were sabotaged — which would be reported and become one more argument not for Tuesday but for November. So it’s possible, there was a consistent post primary strategy in effect several days before Tuesday, and everything else was just smoke.
shogarp 97: are you hoping for lieberman, bush, cheney, rumsfeld, or rice with that lovely lbj analogy?
Awww… darn it.
The graphic I just finished would have gone great with this post.
Oh well… it’s up at the NEW and IMPROVED Inflatable Dartboard.
‘Lieberman And The Little Server That Couldn’t’
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That’s it! Joe is just holding out for a gold watch and a lifetime parking place.
I actually posted a picture of a nice gold watch over the Lamont quote.
punaise @ 101
Roberto Duran ; )
http://www.thesweetscience.com.....s-version/
oh yeah: Duran do ran
jayt -
YESSSS! Thank you. From wikipedia:
I wonder how many CT goopers will really embrace Joe. They have been voting against him for as much as thirty years. In a state where they are the minority party only a few will hit the polls in Nov. out of spite for Joe.
Spite vote for Joe. CT thug bumpersticker woohoo..
As in the primary days, none of this adds up. Does Joe have any friends who will tell him the truth? He is an embarassment to any party.