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Lieberman's new packaging is a dud, but he's pushing it hard. His latest PR makeover? Experience! Yes, Joe's got loads of it. Eighteen years' worth. Just ask the Hartford Courant:
Seniority often matters, however. Mr. Lieberman has gained considerable influence in his 18 years in the Senate. His specialty is working with Republican moderates -- and sometimes conservatives -- to craft bills that can pass the most divided, least civil Congress in memory.
And of course the Washington Post, grateful for the respite in defending their own warmongering so they can come to the aid of proxy Joe:
But it seems that Mr. Lieberman is also being pummeled for his ability to work with Republicans and get things done in Washington...This is a talent and temperament that is helpful to the Democrats in the minority but will be needed even more if there's a change in power in one or both houses of Congress or, in 2008, in the White House. Then, more than ever, the Democratic Party, if it hopes to accomplish anything, will need people such as Mr. Lieberman who bring some civility to an increasingly uncivil capital -- who can accept the idea that opponents may disagree in good faith and who can then work to find areas of agreement and assemble working majorities of 60 senators.
(*yawn*)
What eactly has Joe's "experience" been able to achieve? Well, he approved Michael Brown in 42 minutes. He was the only northeast Democrat to sign the Cheney energy bill. He voted for NAFTA, CAFTA and cloture on both the bankruptcy bill and Alito. The Department of Homeland Graft Security was his baby. Then there was the Gang of 14. Roberts. The Bush tax cuts. And let's not forget his signature war.
I don't know exactly how things would have been different if Joe HADN'T been around to lend his "experience" to the GOP on such key issues, but it sure would be nice to find out.
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Hiya, Jane!
Moi? First?
Rene, only if you don’t count zeeeeerrrrrooooo. Hee.
meta @ 2
zeeerrrooos my middle name!
Jane, isn’t moldy Short Ride getting tired? I mean, trying to come up with something “fresh” and all. I know I am.
Ned totally rocked on the Colbert.
JANE!
You know, if Joe had only played this theme early on and spent more time in Connecticut and wasn’t such an entitled little WATB, then we wouldn’t be in the fabulous place we are in now.
Luckily for America, Joe could not suppress his real self.
Go NED!
Wait’n for everyone to come upstairs.
CT “Blogwhore” here - fun new Joe video and great image on Connecticut Bob.
Jane, does it ever get this hot in Oregon? I think we topped 100 degrees on the steps of Bridgeport City Hall today. Smart move on the organizer’s part to schedule it for noon. Dummies!
Somehow it is not important for Republicans to choose Chafe to work with Dems. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You have to respect the canvassars who can work in this weather.
What eactly has Joe’s “experience” been able to achieve? Well, he approved Michael Brown in 42 minutes.
I asked a similar question–what has HolyJoe’s blessed bipartisanship done for either the Democratic Party or the country?–in diaries at Kos and TPMcafe, both of which are frequented with concerntroll lieberdefenders and Establishmentarian LieberDems, respectively. Not one relevent response.
I just knew the Post would endorse Holy Joe. It’s enfuriating that our supposed “home town” newspaper, in one of the most liberal areas of the country, has turned into a conservative rag.
Alice Marshall @
9
And when exactly has Chafee worked with the dems. when it would have made a bit of difference?
That quote from the Post has to be the most willfully ignorant thing I’ve seen in a while. Who cares about Joe’s “go along to get along” talents if the end result is some of the shittiest legislation on record?
Xeno @ 12
I’ve read that Li’l Donnie Graham was chompin’ at the bit for years to turn the paper (over) to the right, but Big Mama Katie wouldn’t let him….any truth to that?
AND, to answer your question, Jane:
I Am!
Keep your mind together!
heh heh
(Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced)
Somehow I think the folks in CT are a bit more likely to read the NYT than the WaPo. Hopefully they have enough sense to make up their own minds and realize that HoJo abandoned them long ago.
Yeah, he works with Republicans to ge things done - things the Republicans want done. For some reason, the things that are sticking points for Dems are easily pitched over the side when Joe’s involved. God forbid, someone would label Joe an obstructionist because he held fast to those positions important to Democrats - and to his constituents.
You know, I am just tired beyond words of people who think that just because they have been taking up space longer than someone else they have more value.
Lieberman is another one - like Bush - who I can’t even stand to listen to anymore - he’s so whiney.
CT BOB, that is a fantastic vid! Man, I don’t know. I’m almost starting to feel sorry for the poor twit…..um, nah.
A campaign with no campaign buttons. Priceless!
I read the WP tripe. Of course the war was the first thing they hit, in order to cover it with a foot of bullshit. Then it is about him working to get things done. Well ther hasn’t been anything progressive done for six years assholes.
Helllloooo immanentize!
I was recently asked the question: Is there anything you *like* about Lieberman? I confess I couldn’t answer that question positively. I mean I am sure there must some good in everyone, but . . .
So y’all coming down to CT to help us fend off the Lieberyouths?
Washington Compost…
I’m sorry but didn’t Joe Lieberman vote with the Democrats 95% of the time??
Well Punaise, I at least beat you to the video!
Meanwhile I gotta tell you that typing your name just reminded me I have to go to the store to buy mayonaise.
Yeah, Joe’s compromises with the Repubs are nothing more than acquiescence to them without any decent returned concession. I surely don’t need him on my side of the bargaining table…let alone if we grab the majority.
immanentize @ 25
LOL: my contribution to humankind: mayonnaise reminder!
Kos says that HoJo says he is planning to really take the gloves off and attack Ned if he loses the primary.
MwaaaaaHaaaaHaaa.
How delusional can they get?
fran @ 24
Hi Fran! Still trying for your merit badge in concern trooling? Since I’m sure you’re not from CT, you probably don’t know who Colin McEnroe is. He’s a Hartford, CT political reporter, and here’s his answer to your pathetic interjection:
Covering Lieberman is a good way to understand how misleading a voting record can be. (Are you listening, Courant editorial board?) Most members of Congress vote with their parties the preponderance of the time. There are other questions to ask. Did he vote differently on a much-more-important earlier amendment or cloture motion? Did he wait until it was clear his vote wouldn’t hurt the other side? Are his public pronouncements strangely different from his votes?
You can go now. Thanks for dropping by!
fran @
24
Apology NOT accpeted.
Oh boy, Fran (24) is back. Maybe if we’re lucky Frank will join her/him?
A trolling we will go
A trolling we will go
Hi Ho the derrier, oops, derry O
A trolling we will go.
fyi — Fran is a LieberJeunesse who has trolled here before …
immanentize @ 16
great video, especially the stop-frames of tapes and such acting on their own.
Gotta wonder, what would Jimi have become?
Ah, that explains the “seniority” concern troll I encountered on Kos today. It reminds me of a conservative I know who tried to convince me in ‘96 that I should support Dole because he was “trustworthy.” (In a preview of the “Gore is a liar” meme, the GOP was pushing “Clinton is shifty.”) As I told him, even if that were true, why should I vote for someone I can trust to do things I won’t like, instead of someone I can’t trust to do things I will like?
Same with seniority — why should I favor someone with more seniority if he uses it to do things I oppose?
*ilson46201 @ 32
Really? Hey Fran–do you get paid extra for this? Or does going to Lieberman rallies and pretending to be enthused get the overtime?
fran, what about Poland?
RevDeb @
28
Good grief, is he serious? Hey, that’s cool, Joe. Digging in for the fight AFTER you lose. Honestly, there’s a job at Enron with your name on it.
*ilson46201 @ 32
Cute!
La Fran(ce) Vichy - collaborationist govt.
fran @ 39
I notice you don’t deny it.
RevDeb @ 18
You’re right RevDeb. It’s hard to get a copy of WaPo in small town CT. Newsracks tend to have Hartford Courant, NYT New Haven Register and those horrible Daily Sun type rags. But NYT tends to resonate most with the So. CT Fairfield Countyish types.
The Israeli massive new ground attack with 8,000 troops and America’s complicity, and scheming with Israel’s brutal and murderous debauchery in Lebanon are outrageous and are literally crimes against nature. And God. The Bush and Olmert regimes are drunk on human blood and flesh. The screams of burning mothers and their children are music to these monsters ears. Olmert and Bush are almost unspeakably vile in their wickedness.
well, Joe has been trying to marshall the putaines …
Michelle Malkin has posted an attack on Jane.
Release the hounds.
This is a little OT so ignore me if you want — but I’m originally from DC, have lived in CA and now Seattle for years and so wasn’t paying attention to what had happened to “my paper” - the paper of Katherine Graham and Ben Bradley and Jack Anderson and Drew Pearson and so on –What happened? When did it happen? Anyone know?
Just finished great post on popcorn workers - thanks so much for that and all you do here.
from a CT Granny:
So now lieberman might be able to take credit for a minumum wage increase also………Can you believe this?
http://progressivesonline.com/showthread.php?t=674
Re: Estate Tax: Repeal in times of huge national deficit? Why?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FDRfollower
I really don’t know how to describe this. It certainly boggles MY mind, but the moniker reTHUGlicans certainly seems appropriate.
Apparently, Senator Frist and his house conterpart have done a disgusting act. They included the minimum wage bill and a bill for tax credits on the bill for the Estate tax reduction, which over time, will allow the 7,500 wealthiest families to get away with $1 trillion. Yes, you heard me right boys and girls.
$1,000,000,000,000
I think Frists name is really Kevorkian. Think of it. He’s going to be making Billions with the sale of HCA, a company that takes your money and refuses to give you medical care, and here he is, pushing a destructive bill, hoping to use any Democrat who votes against this monstrosity as a whipping boy, saying “He voted against increasing the minimum wage!!”
Shows you where the Republican parties interests lie. At least Sen. Grassley (R) had the honesty to say that he was being stabbed in the back by his party, which really isn’t surprising.
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Well if this is NOT the time for DEMS to SHOUT, LOUD & CLEAR of this “diabolically clever” (thanks James, good one) reTHUGlican skulduggery, http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dic.....kulduggery , I don’t know when there EVER will be a good time!
Edward Kennedy said ……… compromise…………in the past! I HOPE NOT NOW, I can’t believe I’m EVEN mad at Kennedy now!
pun, I always think the same thing about Jimi. What would he have become? I heard of his death getting into the car right after seeing Woodstock with my friends. Talk about surreal.
fran, you can adopt a differnt name and comment what you really think under it. Joezoe and who’s ever paying you will never know.
*ilson46201 @ 43
Petain’s putains?
John Casper @ 36
If you write something reasonably interesting
about Poland.
I’m sure you’ll get more than 233 comments
I wonder how Fran @ 24 likes all the Cheetos Uncle Karl provides?
oh well … sometimes it gets boring moderating in here … I suspect it’ll get hot in here for several days now with Michelle sending in her flying monkeys and Holy Joe sending in his $60/day volunteers …
John Casper @ 48
John does make sense!
Lieberman is ‘experienced,’ alright. But where I come from…the kind of experience Joe has would make him the class slut!!
No thank you! Connecticut deserves a Senator who listens to voters–not one who locks lips with every fast-talking pretty boy in a suit.
I wonder if Fran knows what “nekama” are…something tells me s/he does.
Vichy putain c’est juste punaise!
Malkin’s just upset that Jane called her a cheap Coulter clone.
The truth hurts.
*ilson, you find us boring? wah.
Hmmmm, we’ll have to see if we can cook up some trouble!
John Casper @ 48
try “narf” - they’ll never catch on!
Hey all, haven’t commented in awhile.
But this bears repeating, got a laugh out loud-ness to it, garnered me funny looks from co-workers.
Really, we are better at making our own concern trolls, like frank and francesca. And there’s still room for a francine!
Joe Lieberman must be driving this bus - directing and micro-managing this campaign. No campaign manager/strategist worth his or her salt could be advising him to make the moves he’s made - well, except for Bob Shrum (tee-hee).
And it all comes back to the fact that he never thought he would have a real fight on his hands - he says he always thought he would have a challenger, but it’s clear he never believed he was in serious danger of losing. By the time he realized that Ned Lamont was in it to win, it was too late.
Connecticut - and the nation - do not need “complacent;” we need someone who knows every day that his job is on the line, that keeping that job means doing what is best for Connecticut and what is best for the nation, that serving is a privilege and not a right.
“Noblesse oblige” is not the ticket, and the voters aren’t looking to support any more of it. Nor, do I believe, are they looking to send an ego in a suit back to DC.
It’s time for Joe to go. Away.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 56
n’est-ce pas, “L’espoir de Source”
try “narf” - they’ll never catch on!
Or “Poit!”
rudy at 1:31, you came to the right place. In the CATEGORIES column to the right, you will find 47 entries on the WaPo.
Woodward is for Woodward. The political editor, John Harris is slime. Jim VandeHei is slime. The ombudsman, Debbie
nobody says fuck except meis slime as is Jimchurch ladyBrady, who manages the online addition. None, of them, however, may be quite as bad as Fred Hiatt, who wrote, ” A GOOD LEAK.” Others may have more informed opinions and I’m sure I left a few good things out. Thanks for the nice comment.Fran -
Shouldn’t you be out rounding up the homeless for another Lieberman “rally”?
So guys. They’re saying 4,000 Lieberyouth are going to invade CT. Since our National Guard is in Iraq, maybe Lamont supporters will consider coming to CT?
meta @ 47
My fear is that if he had lived, he would have died in the same way a week later, or a month after that. With some folks, the path of glorious self-destruction is hard wired.
Now the What-if about Robert Kennedy plagues my sleep often.
if we have Franny — where’s Zooey?
fran @ 53
You can’t tell the difference between a typo and misspelling?
Sad. Are you perhaps a sophomore?
mui @ 67
Sounds like prime ground for Operation Yellow Elephant!
fran @ 50
Really, I find your daily emphasis on SIZE to be a bit curious.
If “experience” means making the same mistakes over and over, but expecting different results, no thanks, Joe.
fran, immanentize, already tried to explain the number of comments to you, but I guess you don’t get paid to read the comments made in response to your trollings.
“Poland” is an inside joke about some of your peer’s attempts. Evidently you didn’t read that one either.
I give you high marks for civility, however, unfortunately, that won’t get you a cash bonus from Joezoe’s people.
Don’t you want to mention something about “lurking here for six months?”
Poit?
Ah, imm, you’re so right about Bobby. I saw him in person when I was a kid and he had the most amazing eyes. Really magnetic; I knew it even then.
fran @ 53
Heraclitus : The only thing constant is change!
Jim I think our National Guard is now also in Miami and of course on the Mexican border.
I contribute to NARAL Pro-Choice Wisconsin and in response to a recent fund raising letter, printed out a copy of one of Jane’s NARAL-Lieberman posts and wrote at the top:
Then put all their own stuff back in the return envelope, as well as the post, and mailed.
An official of NARAL Pro-Choice Wisconsin just wrote me back a letter in her own hand that included this:
.
Well, anyway fran - may I call you fran? - would you reiterate those items that fall into the 95% for me? I need to be able to talk this through with friends. TIA.
What, is Wednesday feed the trolls day?
I have been reading this blog for more than six months but I don’t understand why no one reads this blog? Maybe its because it is so obsessed with Lamont? I mean really — why are you people so obsessed with such an obvious elitest who owned Halliburton Stock an dlives in a rich white neighborghood. Shouldn’t we be focusing our energies on defeating Republicans rather than ripping apart the chances for a Democratic Majority?
meta @ 78
meta, heard the Mexican part. But I thought Lieberyouth and National guard (in Iraq) would make a nice riduclous contrast for chickenhawk Lieberman
RevDeb @
28
Well, think about it. He won’t have to maintain the illusion of liking working people anymore, if he loses the primary. He can just cozy up with all the people who, two weeks before, he derided for not letting black people into their country club.
Joe would be having a lot more fun right now if he could just harangue at poor people and shriek about moral decay.
Hey Hopey, how’s it going? All packed? I think you mentioned that injured Lebanese were also coming into Germany, and I’m wondering how they’re getting there?
I am a lifelong Democrat, both my parents were union organizers, and I have been lurking here for 5 years. Top that, fake francoise. I’m on to you, lol.
francoise looks like another $60/day worker — or else a droll pseudo-troll
Maybe its because it is so obsessed with Lamont?
Why are Colbert, Clintons, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton et al *obsessed* with Lamont?
Hey empty wheel — you have been putting out some righteous stuff recently — nice to be able to tell you personally….
John Casper @ 74
John,Ive seem more than my share of dead bodies.
I still drive with my Kerry/Edwards bumper
sticker despite nearly being run off the road.
I abhor this war and never supported it in the
beginning but I also can see the attempted
trashing of a man who was considered for our
next V.P. and I intend to speak out.That is
if you don’t change my words~
punaise @ 64
Est-ce le bon chemin le gauche?
immanentize @ 89
EW will be the first to tell you there’s no law against telling her over at her place, lol.
francoise @ 82
I’m sorry! I take Joe Lieberman with his $10,000,000 warchest is broke?
fran, anyone who knows Heraclitus is way too smart to vote for Joe. You’re also smart enough to know how important it is to donate via paypal.
Who is the Republican equivalent to Lieberman who reaches out to “centrist” or even Liberal Democrats? I never hear about anyone like that.
EW will be the first to tell you there’s no law against telling her over at her place, lol.
yeah, I knew I’d get that one and I plan to make it so.
The civility canard makes me physically ill, as do references to Lieberman as “moderate.” There is nothing less civil or moderate than promoting an unnecessary war.
I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s a line I wrote last year on Huffpo after Jaron Lanier complained of commenters’ uncivil responses to his masturbatory post about being a Liberal Hawk on Iraq:
There is only one incivility that matters here, and it is the supreme incivility of a war of aggression. People who supported such a war have no standing to lecture those who tried to prevent it about civility, however urbane and collected the former and however loud and unruly the latter.
Fran what do you think of Lieberman’s MiddleEastern diplomacy? Think its a good one? Then you haven’t been paying attention.
empty!
(aren’t you glad we’re getting back around to Saint Judy?)
emptywheel,
second what imm. said at 89. You are a superstar. Been reading you since TNH started up.
Actually what Joe is going through sounds like “The Last Hurrah” but I liked Spencer Tracy A LOT more.
Tom @ 66
I am so friendless !
Being a reader of several left leaning blogs I must really say that your resident troll (Miss/Mr Fran - Francoise) is reeeeeaaaallllly lame: come on at least change the test of your stupid post!
I have come across it worded exactly like that at least 3 or 4 times : it doesn’t seems that Liberman money is buying any passion or competence not even in a lame job as the one of a concern troll…
OK — now this is the funniest thing in the world — I was Francoise (in disguise) but Fran at 93 couldn’t understand that I was jokingly talking about Ned being the elitist? Doesn’t she like parallel constructions?
By the way, I think I have adequately proven my fake-concern-troll creds and I should be afforded Neuro’s respect.
Don’t dis Immanentize!
Hi Guys!
Been lurking here for about six months. Love the Plame stuff, but why are you all so obsessed with Joe Lieberman? Leave the poor guy alone! He REALLY deserves his Senate seat! Stop being MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAN!
fran @ 90
An uncivil congress…now who runs all branches of government, corporations, the courts, K Street, the vast majority of political talk media and newspapers and TV, as well as the Fundi-Politic orgs again?
Oh and it would appear the lead in ethics violations, and congressional tactics of scorced earth?
And who are going to use all the tactics that most Dems would not employee when they lose a house or two?
Sadly the Dems are going to need a Prez and a House before we can even stop the slide (for the veto of the Repubs DINO laws that will be passed).
if you hit refresh or reload F5, you’ll notice that poor wittle Fran changes her mind about comments …
meta @ 85
Hi Meta Baby…not even packed…my hubby goes and picks them up, transports them back to Germany, where they usually go on to BAMC here in SA.
His email yesterday complained about the war but mostly about the Generals that get in his way. I did a mini post on it at my NEW column at Powers and Morisson (tiny bit of blogwhoring). Somebody likes what I was writing and offered me a ‘column’. How ’bout that?
mui @ 97
I’m not in agreement with it!I think it’s time
our soldiers come home!
Very good fran, you’re getting as good at sniffing out your peers as we are.
Did you see the “six months” I mentioned above?
Maybe you could report the problem back to Joezoe headquarters. Do they have a suggestion box? Perhaps you could recommend that some comment “five months” and some comment “seven months”, you wouldn’t be quite so easy to spot.
Mui,
As for cominmg to Connecticut, I still may although it is not probable. I have been really sick the last few days and I have a career-ending deadline that I cannot miss for August 14th and I have to go see my Mom in upstate New York next week to work out some health care issues and finances. That said, I am still trying to work in a day drive by on Monday? on my way to New York….
Sorta lame, but it is the best I can do right now.
shooogarp @ 105
Nice try, shoogie, but no cigar. C’mon, someone can do better than the real Fran at 90.
Ain’t it ironic that a crazy-assed racist [ Moderator:
b!tch] like malkin gives a sh!t about someone in blackface? Talk about whollyweirdo.emptywheel, how great to have you on an FDL thread.
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John,Ive seem more than my share of dead bodies.
I still drive with my Kerry/Edwards bumper
sticker despite nearly being run off the road.
I abhor this war and never supported it in the
beginning but I also can see the attempted
trashing of a man who was considered for our
next V.P. and I intend to speak out.That is
if you don’t change my words~
Why vote against a man who was our VP nominee in 2000. Well, the person about whom you speak was not threatening to run against the Democratic Party nonimee for U.S. Senate from the state of Connecticut in 2000, but now he is.
OT -
From the “can you really blame him” department, I just heard that Charlie Rangel is claiming he’ll retire if the Dems don’t take back the house. After what, 25, 30 years of service. It’s a damn shame.
*It was a promo on Ed Schultz’s show as I was driving in the car so I only heard a snippet. Can’t verify the truth…
Fran,
Seriously, if you are the life-long Dem with the sticker still on your car, how can you countenance Lieberman’s use of College Republican volunteers. Is everything fair game to win?
Hopeness, I see many columns in your future. Good to hear you’re doing well.
imm — those NJ Young Republicans are getting $80/day — Connecticut locals get only $60/day
babablacksheep @ 116
John,Ive seem more than my share of dead bodies.
I still drive with my Kerry/Edwards bumper
sticker despite nearly being run off the road.
I abhor this war and never supported it in the
beginning but I also can see the attempted
trashing of a man who was considered for our
next V.P. and I intend to speak out.That is
if you don’t change my words~
Why vote against a man who was our VP nominee in 2000. Well, the person about whom you speak was not threatening to run against the Democratic Party nonimee for U.S. Senate from the state of Connecticut in 2000, but now he is.
All the picture really did was bring in the trolls…