Go Jane

Fitz! Ned!

Joe Leaverman should be hounded everywhere he goes. Every day until he loses and is sent packing.

Florida. Gore picked Lieberman to help carry Florida in 2000 and Hillary may want Joe to stump for her there in 2008. Back scratching and such.

Florida. Gore picked Lieberman to help carry Florida in 2000 and Hillary will likely want Joe to stump for her there in 2008.

(re-posting, the monster seemed to eat the first version)

OT - Had a horrible time loading this thread, finally linked through Kos and then when I clicked on ‘read the rest’ I lost it again.

Somebody trying to deny us our fix? ummmm

I’ll go for door number 2, Jane. Money has become the be-all and end-all for incumbent politicians, and the notion of donors calling to . . .ahem . . . express their concern with Hillary’s support for Joe has a certain ring of truth to me.

Alternative to Billary: The HillDog.

yeah, getting slow around here…

The loading of fdl is going very slowly.

OT Condoleezza Rice made a five hour visit to Beirut today. Call me cynical but I see this as an attempt to mollify the Saudis who called yesterday for a ceasefire. It is also a bone thrown to the Arab and Muslim street who will have difficulties in equating the green light we have given the Israelis for the last 13 days of bombing plus our resupply of the Israelis with yet more bombs with a brief visit in which Rice proposes conditions for a ceasefire which are nonstarters plus the bizarre promise to help the Lebanese rebuild the country which the Israelis are currently blowing up with our blessing. Rice’s Beirut driveby can also be seen as a gesture to Arab leaders to give them cover for her meeting with them later in the week in Rome.

One of the key parts of the Rice plan is an international force made up mostly of European troops and with some possible Arab contingents. No US troops would be involved. Their purpose would be to disarm Hezbollah and keep the peace in the South. It should be interesting to see how many European countries are going to place their soldiers at risk in the buzz saw of Lebanon in order to do what the Israelis have not been able to do themselves in nearly 25 years, i.e. control and disarm Hezbollah. They may not find it as attractive as Bush to serve as the tools of Israeli policy, just saying.

Rice also doesn’t explain why Hezbollah or Syria should accept her terms since they address none of their issues. Instead she makes incoherent pronouncements like the following:

“The problem isn’t that people haven’t talked to the Syrians. It’s that the Syrians haven’t acted,’ Rice told reporters accompanying her. ‘I think this is simply just a kind of false hobby horse that somehow it’s because we don’t talk to the Syrians.’”

Bottomline is that unless Rice has cards she’s not showing expect nothing but window dressing from her trip.

M$NBC is showing video of the Big Dog event — the crowd on the stage is amazingly white — CT is 20% non-white and Democrats have a higher percentage. Bad optics, Joe !

Sorry for the long one, but I think the Clinton’s have been reading Machiavelli.

A prince is also respected when he is either a true friend or a downright enemy, that to say, when, without any reservation, he declares himself in favour of one party against the other; which course will always be more advantageous than standing neutral; because if two of your powerful neighbours come to blows, they are of such a character that, if one of them conquers, you have either to fear him or not. In either case it will always be more advantageous for you to declare yourself and to make war strenuously; because, in the first case, if you do not declare yourself, you will invariably fall a prey to the conqueror, to the pleasure and satisfaction of him who has been conquered, and you will have no reasons to offer, nor anything to protect or to shelter you. Because he who conquers does not want doubtful friends who will not aid him in the time of trial; and he who loses will not harbour you because you did not willingly, sword in hand, court his fate.

Antiochus went into Greece, being sent for by the Aetolians to drive out the Romans. He sent envoys to the Achaeans, who were friends of the Romans, exhorting them to remain neutral; and on the other hand the Romans urged them to take up arms. This question came to be discussed in the council of the Achaeans, where the legate of Antiochus urged them to stand neutral. To this the Roman legate answered: “As for that which has been said, that it is better and more advantageous for your state not to interfere in our war, nothing can be more erroneous; because by not interfering you will be left, without favour or consideration, the guerdon of the conqueror.” Thus it will always happen that he who is not your friend will demand your neutrality, whilst he who is your friend will entreat you to declare yourself with arms. And irresolute princes, to avoid present dangers, generally follow the neutral path, and are generally ruined. But when a prince declares himself gallantly in favour of one side, if the party with whom he allies himself conquers, although the victor may be powerful and may have him at his mercy, yet he is indebted to him, and there is established a bond of amity; and men are never so shameless as to become a monument of ingratitude by oppressing you. Victories after all are never so complete that the victor must not show some regard, especially to justice. But if he with whom you ally yourself loses, you may be sheltered by him, and whilst he is able he may aid you, and you become companions in a fortune that may rise again.

In the second case, when those who fight are of such a character that you have no anxiety as to who may conquer, so much the more is it greater prudence to be allied, because you assist at the destruction of one by the aid of another who, if he had been wise, would have saved him; and conquering, as it is impossible that he should not with your assistance, he remains at your discretion. And here it is to be noted that a prince ought to take care never to make an alliance with one more powerful than himself for the purpose of attacking others, unless necessity compels him, as is said above; because if he conquers you are at his discretion, and princes ought to avoid as much as possible being at the discretion of any one. The Venetians joined with France against the Duke of Milan, and this alliance, which caused their ruin, could have been avoided. But when it cannot be avoided, as happened to the Florentines when the Pope and Spain sent armies to attack Lombardy, then in such a case, for the above reasons, the prince ought to favour one of the parties.

OT
If you were asked to be on a talk show (by phone) with Ann Coulter, with maybe a minute to talk, what would you say? Seriously. Not to her, but to people listening to her.

Joe might have been great on civil rights 40 years ago but today he doesnt seem to want “those people” on stage with him … oh well !

So, what did Big Dog say? Talking to Joevoters about voting for Joe? Not going to make much headway there. I bet there are some secret meetings between Big Dog and the black leadership in the area. Get them to change their speeches a bit to favor Joe. Hope they are too busy to meet him.

Here’s another theory from DWT’s comments: http://downwithtyranny.blogspo.....1342923045

At 2:40 PM, dave said…

I have a whole different theory about the Clinton endorsement… I think Bill Clinton made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Here’s how it works… Joe corners Hillary on the Senate floor and begs for help (this actually happened). She offers it, in spades… Bill Clinton endorsing and stumping for Joe! Sounds great, right? It’s not.

Now, everyone knows Bill is the slickest Democratic politican of his generation. So Joe is pretty much obligated to ask him for advice. He’s going to get it anyway, face to face and privately. Price of support. And Bill’s advice… “If you lose the primary, drop out of the race gracefully. Do NOT run as an independent.” So if/when he loses the primary, if he runs independent, he just stabbed Bill Clinton in the back. Again. And Bill’s wrath… well, I think we’re seeing the shape it takes here.

There goes Joe’s funding. There goes his “moderate” support in Washington… all his natural allies don’t dare offend the Big Dog. Clinton stumps for Ned Lamont, drops offhand backhands at Lieberman.

And in the meantime, what does Joe get? First, EVERYONE gets reminded what a sanctimonious prick he was back in ‘98. Second, all his Republican supporters get to see him swapping spit with the hated Bill Clinton. Ouch.

Bill Clinton is smarter, and MEANER than anyone seems to credit him for.

Pach at #16, that last part I do believe is true. He gets along with the Bush family just fine. Should tell you something right there.

Jane
That was very snarkalicious.

I vote for reason #1. As I posted the other day, Jonathan Tasini, the guy running the hopeless primary against Hill is doing much better than expected.

He started out hoping to do better than 3% on primary day (in NY that’s in Sptember). The latest MArist Poll had him already at 13%.

That is 10% above goal with most of the primary campaign season still ahead; and from a candidate who has only raised $150,000 and is doing much of his campaigning on the back of a bicycle. (I kid you not)

So, although Hill and Bill don’t have anything to worry about from Tasini per se, they DO have a lot to worry about with respect to what a progressive insurgency within the Dem party means for Hill and Bill’s future plans to go home to the WH.

They played some of the speech on Hardball. Bob Schrum summed it up though: “more of a speech about why we should prefer the Clinton years to the Bush years than why people should vote for Lieberman.”

Dems are stumping for Joe as insurance. If he holds onto his seat- they want him beholden to dems- not goopers. It’s as simple as that.

6. Bill, with Hillary’s blessing, is putting himself in a position where Joe will owe him big time, and after the election the Clintons will join other establishment Dems in pressuring Joe to forget about an independent candidacy.

Susan,
I would point out that she is playing a character, just like Stephen Clobert is playing a character and ask her how she can face playing such an evil demented soul, day after day, performance after performance and does the depravity of the role she is playing ever get her down?

Be a concern troll *g*

7. Bill loves a chance to make a speech (that’s kind of 4 isn’t it?)

>>>>>>>>>

lhp - truly from a bicycle? That’s kind of endearing.

I heard Whiny Joe on NPR saying that it is now OK to talk bad about Bush. Apparently it is no longer “undermining the president at our nations’ peril” now that this cheesebag needs to get re-elected and needs to distance himself from the mess in Mesopotamia.

Way to go Joe.

I think your Jomentum just dripped down your pant-leg.

-GSD

Did it strike anyone as odd that New York magazine, in its profile of Leiberman, it is revealed that Rebecca Lieberman originally scheduled her wedding less than 48 hours before her father’s Aug 8 primary.

The Lieberman family apparently did not believe the Joe would have to, or should have to, campaign for the CT Democratic party nomination.

I’ve never heard of any politician every acting so arrogant and entitled.

No wonder Joe has been acting so angry and so surprised by Lamont’s candidacy.

How dare Ned be so unkind as to make Joe run for re-election? How unkind of Ned to force a primary battle and ruin the weekend for the Lieberman family!

“My father is not the personification of evil,” says his daughter Rebecca, who had initially scheduled her upcoming wedding for two days before the primary but pushed it back a week out of concern for her father’s campaign. “This is incredible.”

http://newyorkmetro.com/news/p.....index.html

Susan in Iowa at 13:

“If you were asked to be on a talk show (by phone) with Ann Coulter, with maybe a minute to talk, what would you say? Seriously. Not to her, but to people listening to her.”

Hmmm…That you’re terribly sorry about her condition, and that somehow the country will try to manage to survive without her?

I wrote my 3:02 before reading Pach’s 2:58.
We had essentially the same idea regarding the independent race, and I would further agree with him on his other points. I think Bill is getting a perverse pleasure out of “helping” the desperate Joe who attacked him in 1998 and is now forced to eat his own shit.

I’m totally with what Pachacutec #16 says, that was my first thought when it was first announced Bill was going to Connecticut. Bill Clinton is a hardcore, hardball politician of legendary skill. Nothing he does should be taken at face value.

Why would you bring someone like Clinton to stump for you? To raise money, he’s a rock star. But Lieberman is not in need of money, he wants the Bill Clinton mojo. That just doesn’t rub off. Lieberman may not know it, but Bill certainly does.

So here we have Clinton playing off of Lieberman’s insecurities with a token appearance, knowing full well people will see the two of them together and notice the contrast. Meanwhile Bill gets to lean hard on Joe in private about undercutting the Democratic Party. Either Joe understands he’s done when he loses the primary, or Bill can go home and make sure every large donor walks away from Lieberman because he can’t be reasoned with.

Clinton’s visit is a poison pill for Lieberman, I’m sure of it.

I’m wondering if Bill’s body language and tone of voice will subtly be that of someone escorting off the stage a retiree being given a wristwatch for many years of service. The message to the audience being, ‘he was great in his day, let’s wish him well, and vote for his replacement (Lamont)’.

Rich @ 25:

Even pushing it back two weeks is mighty presumptuous, since he’ll need to be running for November at that point if he were to somehow manage to pull out a primary win (not that this will happen, mind you).

Hugh - shouldn’t she have finished her homework before she went out to play?

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0724.html

The US State Department has yet to issue a semiannual report outlining all foreign persons known to be engaging in WMD-proliferation related activities in Iran and Syria, . . .
Three Democrats in Congress wrote Monday to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice requesting the Department issue its semi-annual report, as required by the Iran-Syria Nonproliferation Act.

Way to go Jane - Bill’s (Bubba) showing up is about Hillary and nothing more. Remember Joe was the first one to express his disapproval of the BLOW JOB(s).

Glenn Beck and the Fox whores want to present this race as being all about the war, and the vindictive LIBERAL EXTREMENISTS, but IT IS SO MUCH MORE…….

Strip Search Sammy Alito, the Bankruptcy Bill, Check 21, the tax cuts, the silence on the war profiteering, the NSA spying, RAPE drug denial, the executive supremacy, King Frat Boy, Rockefeller’s silence, allowing Pat Roberts to control the pre-war intelligence investigation, the silence on the Ohio election returns, the back-door oil executive meetings, the failure to develop any kind of global diplomacy, when Michael Brown was caught giving away the $269 FEMA dollars to buy votes - in 2004 - Love-ya Susan - Co-Chair Joe gave a tisk tisk sigh of being disgusted, never opened his mouth while Black New Orleanians drowned.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE ACT LIKE HE OWNNNNNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSS HIS SENATE SEAT. Let him go to the Republicans.

He never opened his mouth during the recount and then when he was feeling the waters,for the Presidency, he wanted all of the activists on the ground to give his campaign every dime, if he came to visit us down here in Florida. We told him to just get in the limo and forget giving us the 11 minutes of his time.

thanks lhp. I agreed to do this gig, but I’m a lot more comfortable with writing. Depravity. I like it.

I am totally with the #16 theory.

There is no way that Clinton is doing this for either a) altruistic reasons or b) because he cares whether or not Joe wins.

The bottom line is that only Clinton could save him, and well if Joe can’t be saved, Clinton will remind him of that. By either he — but more likely Hil — campaigning for Ned. I’m wondering if Boxer has made a similar deal…

Mary,
Tasini may be running a hopeless primary, but he does know how to capyture the imagination and get press. He used to be reporter and a union organizer.

The bike thing got him much more exposure with the little local newspapers than I would have expected. Like you they thought it was refreshing and imaginative.

he did well with it.

A tasini vote is really just a anybody but hillary or a republican vote, but see how spontaneous the dissatisfaction with DLC thinking is????

Here in the reliably blue northest???

Hill and Bill won’t get to the Wh unless they either discourage us or co-opt us. I’m too cynical to believe she might have a genuine change of heart, but maybe, just maybe we can force a change in position

Mad Dogs 25
I have wondered what the condition was. Sociopath?
Anyway, I doubt she’ll tell me.

Joe called in a favor just like he did with Boxer. Hillary may be justifiably concerned about her Iraq war stance. (SHE needs an exit strategy and fast.) She is thinking that if it is the war that is driving anti-Joe sentiment, she doesn’t want to become collateral damage. So, she is sending Bill as her surrogate. Everybody likes Bill. When he leaves Connecticut, everyone will still be swooning saying, “Joe who?”.

Susan in Iowa

Borderline personality disorder?

regarding boxer’s comment (boxer’s outright lie) that she & joe are of the same opinion on emergency contraception, her lying is itself an outrage, but why wasn’t the CT mainstream media there to ask boxer that question? why did it take CT bob and maura to ask boxer that question? That is the second outrage here -

anyway, we have boxer on video, and we have the original article with joe’s original rape gurney comment for posterity, and I hope that this article gets shoved in boxer’s face (via faxes to her office) 1,000 times -

boxer lied, and we caught her.

shameful.

anyway, we gave boxer a real CT welcome, eh?

Lou Dobbs is taking a break from immigration to talk about signing statements and the American Bar Association’s statement that Bush is breaking the law.

neurophius, I don’t have a degree in anything with psych in the title, so your guess is as good as mine. But whatever it is, it isn’t “borderline.”

Do we think it is also a way for Big Dawg to gauge the situation on the ground vis a vis the whole netroots thingy?

Boxer keeps trying to connect with us and getting her hand burned. I know I have been invited to several discussions with the Spitzer people (because of my involvement with DFA) and they keep asking about “this netroots stuff”.

A lot of big campaigns are intrigued and afraid of this unknown netroots thing. They (I think even better than we do) understand how powerful the netroots are, but they don’t understand how to ride the wave.

So, if you ever tried to learn how to ride a surfboard, you know that the morning of a hurricane is not the best time to try it for the first time.

maybe, big dawg knows he needs to update his skill set and wants to reconoiter first hand

Arrgh, being a Firedog in Florida in thunder season has its frustrations. Gotta catch up on two threads now, so no doubt some of these stories have already come to your attention (especially the one up-toppiest!) …

BUT …

just toddle over to Raw Story and run your eyes down the menu.

Quite the selection of chores we have, innit. The Brits have a saying for quittin’ time: “Down tools.”

Firedogs — UP TOOLS! And WOOT! And WOOHOO!

There’s no mystery; it’s completely in keeping with Bill Clinton’s character. The man just doesn’t hold a grudge. Here’s what Molly Ivins said about him:

“He is a very shrewd politician; he’s good at getting things done. His weakness is he doesn’t have a hard ball. Think what Lyndon Johnson would have done to anybody who dared to criticize him the way Trent Lott and Newt Gingrich criticize Clinton. He would have had their balls, if you pardon my language.”

–Rick Taylor

Both one and two make the most sense to me.

Every day Joe does not renounce “Plan B” and commit to supporting the primary winner, he does more damage to the CT Dem party and its candidates.

Mary,

It is a hallmark of this Administration that they never do their homework, or their jobs either. They are going to bring peace to Lebanon without a ceasefire. They are going to broker a deal without talking to the principals of one side. They believe they can solve problems by ignoring all but what they wish to know of them, Iraq, Lebanon, global warming. Take your pick.

lhp at 41:

Boxer keeps trying to connect with us and getting her hand burned.

Not quite, friend. In my view, she keeps trying to connect with us and burning her own hand.

Susan at 13, I second lhp’s suggestion at 22.

Rich at 25 - when did Lamont announce his candidacy? Weddings are often scheduled far in advance, and it’s quite possible that the date for this one was set before Lieberman even knew he would have a primary challenger.

As for Billary, I don’t know if they’re doing this so Bill can pressure Joe not to run as an independent, or not. I’d like to think so - but I’m more inclined toward #1, perhaps with #2 as an additional element.

Bubba knows exactly what he’s doing. He knows that when he appears alongside Lieberschmuck, all the pundits, columnists, mediawhores will mention the “irony” because of what Joe the Cowardly Lion did during Monicagate. And that will put a a much worse taste in the mouths of Democrats than Bill left in Monica’s mouth.

It doens’t matter what canned stuff Bubba says on the campaign trail — just the media reminding people of what Joe did will drive him even lower in polls than Bill drove you know what into Monica’s… sorry. I’ll stop.

Also, I don’t think Bill really wants Hillary to run. She’ll become a real shrew then. So if he can kill two centrist Demos with one stone, he will.

Google News:
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On hunger strike for over two weeks
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From Common Dreams:
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It states: “Where a prisoner refuses nourishment and is considered by the doctor as capable of forming an unimpaired and rational judgment concerning the consequences of such a voluntary refusal of nourishment, he or she shall not be fed artificially.”
http://www.commondreams.org/he.....408-04.htm

Teddy SanFran

You are right. So right. I stand corrected.

Your way is so much more precise

… that darn passive voice, lhp! why did they invent it, anyway?

I was just watching the local news which covered the Clinton visit. They interviewed two audience members, one of whom was a Lieberman supporter and the other was a sweet, black, senior lady who said “Nah, I wouldn’t vote for Lieberman. I just came here to see my Bill.” :)

ccmask– but iirc Snowballs said that it was a “consensual” tube feeding.

whatever that means with this gang, and after gitmo, etc.– who knows?

Re: You Tube for all with slow connections–

Here’s what works best for me: click (or double click?) on the youTube image, but not on the arrow. This will open up a second window directly from YouTube. When the video starts to load, right click and a menu comes up- on “quality” change from high to low. Also, then click on the “stop” icon in the lower left of the video image– cicle with II inside- that will allow the video to load, without playing. You will see that the video is loading bec. there is a little bar across the bottom that shows loading progress. So, then, go away for a while and let the loading happen, and *then* you can click on the start arrow (arrow in circle lower left) and the video will play without interruption. I am on dialup, and this does work!!!!

Have been saying for some time now that I didn’t think Joe would ever actually make that independent run - that if he lost the primary, he was going to be sat down (or sat upon) and read the riot act.

Here’s something else to think about. Clinton has a gift, a charisma, an ability to instantly connect to people that Joe just does not have. I think the Clinton visit is going to highlight the dearth of energy and animation and excitement in the Lieberman campaign, and rather than have Bill do the “see, they love me, not you” speech, the powers that be in the party are just going to let that sit, and they will send someone else in for the kill when Joe tanks in the primary.

If they want Joe to call it quits after August 8th, they will need to send someone whose ego Joe can feel superior to, in order to allow him to make a graceful exit. In my opinion, to have to contemplate bowing out at Clinton’s request will be just more than Joe can deal with.

And with Clinton not being the one to help usher him out, isn’t Joe just all that much more beholden to the Clintons in general for not humiliating him?

We’ll see…

NPR (west coast) just started piece on CT senate race.

OT -
Laura Rozen has info up about deaths of Italian and Greek Telecom scandal investigators. Read Rozen, read the links.

These cases are about not just domestic surveillance, but the intersection of Washington’s war on terror with secret factions inside companies and countries involved with domestic surveillance, and secrecy, it would seem, is at a premium.

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/004629.html

lhp - I linked below to remarks given Feb this year at Princeton by one of the attys representing the Uighars at Gitmo. IMO, it was a good wrap on why you can’t just give a bye to someone for being one “the best” bc it isn’t enough to be one of the best, and not work to bring and end to the nation’s involvement in atrocities. Not for the sake of old times, not for a good friend. But they were good and interesting remarks from other aspects as well.

lotus and anyone else, I hope you get a chance to watch the youtube, prior thread, of CTBob and Maura pounding politely, but firmly asking Joe and Boxer questions. Barbara’s answering for Joe, who just looks exhausted and defeated.
Boxer’s demeanor strongly suggests to me that she is very familiar with the most recent polls. Those weren’t out when she agreed to come. Big Dawg is also familiar with those polls, so I hope he dilutes a little of his support for Joe tonite so he can leave himself an out when Ned kicks Joe’s ass in the primary.

Louie talking now about over 800 times with the signing statement scandal.

Hi Lesley #48,

Sure weddings are scheduled far in advance, probably well before Lamont announced in early 2006. But elections only happen once every six years, and it says alot about Joe’s state of mind that he would OK a date for his daughter’s wedding two days before the primary.

Robert Seigel interviewing Ned. Ned says the war In Iraq was terrible distraction, U.S. should have been getting involved in negotiating with new PLO head. Says he is in favor of an Israeli-Hezbollah ceasefire that takes into account the need to disarm Hezbollah and “clear them out” of Southern Lebanon.

“Laura Rozen has info up about deaths of Italian and Greek Telecom scandal investigators. Read Rozen, read the links.”
Dayum Mary, that is really scary.
Loved the Princeton remarks btw.

Hugh at 46: It was either Billmon or Wolcott, I think, who pointed out that while diplomacy is generally the art of working out a compromise, Bush thinks of diplomacy only as another way to get what he wants.

Just as like in domestic politics, which normal people see as a game of “give me some of what I want, and I’ll give you some of what you want,” but Bush thinks an entirely reasonable deal is “give me what I want, and I’ll let you be in the front row of the photo-op the next time you give me what I want!”

You can bet that some of Hillary’s major NeoCon supporters put the squeeze on to try and salvage Lieberman’s candidacy. There is no Senator who is more identified with the decision to invade Iraq than Joe Lieberman. If he goes down it will be like an earthquake in the Democratic Party. The chorus calling for an exit strategy out of Iraq will increase. A pro-war Senator like Hillary Clinton will have almost no chance of getting the Democratic nomination in 2008. I believe this is what is motivating the Clintons in their support of Leiberman. Bill Clinton always looks out for himself.

Susan in Iowa - good luck. I think the recommendation sounds very good. I have no idea what you would say, bc I can’t really get an idea of what people who listen to Coulter care about in life.

has Lieberman made any statements affirming Israel’s actions of the last 13 days ?

The Clintons have some serious ties to Israel (their last joint visit was around the same time as the bombs in Amman hotels)

I’m just wondering out loud about the timing and sudden turn of events from Camp Clinton

NBC News is going to do a story on Clinton’s visit to CT. NOW!

Joe on now, whining about Ned mischaracterizing his stance on Iraq. Claims he’s very liberal, especially on domestic issues.

Won’t answer Seigel’s question on why he won’t just let the CT voters choose their dem. nominee. Says he wants to “give all of CT’s voters a chance, rather than just a minority of dems who will show up on a hot day in August”.

Joe Jack-off.

Dems- at least for the moment- leading in four of the six states they need to take over the senate- Ohio- Rhode Island- Montana- and Pennsylvania. Missouri and Tennessee are virtual ties. Go dems1

I’m sure Bill loves the fact that Joe came a beggin’ and through Hilliary none-the-less, just like the true coward he is.

Bill on nbc– “go out and elect Joe Lieberman– he’s a good democrat.”

ptooey.

Pach, quoting Dave, at #16, is on the money–at least I hope he is. Clinton is supporting Lieberman now in order to show one and all what a good Democrat does: Support the winner of the primary. How much ya wanna bet Clinton told Joe that he would campaign against him if Lamont wins? In that eventuality, the Clintons campaigning for Lamont would also put a lie to the punditocracy’s claim that Lamont is the candidate of the crazy leftists.

Susan In Iowa-
Ann Coulter is only be happy (or only solution) when she can be the grimm reaper. if need be put that in the form of a question

Also…Ann, How large a staff do you need to consistantly avoid plagiarism charges and continually fail to publish original material?

I can’t wait to hear what Jane says about Big Dogs bullcrap speech! From the littler snippit tweety played, he kept saying what a great friend Chris Dodd was, and just the same old Bill talking about himself and what he did. I was better off when he was prez, that can’t come back…NO MORE CLINTONS…we need a fresh start and new ideas, and NO MORE DINOS!

John C - it does make you wonder. There is also a story up about denials by the SISMI top guys. They admit they misled the country when they said Italy knew nothing about it, but they say they never agreed to be involved in anyway. If I read correctly, they say there just happens to be a June tape where, kind of out of the blue, the two guys who have had warrants issues discuss between themselves that CIA asked for SISMI help but that neither of them ever agreed to be involved and oh yeah, one of them talked to their boss and he said he never agreed to be involved either.

Susan in Iowa 13-”I don’t know about you, but when MY friends start talking like this, I tell them they need to get some professional help.”

How about this theory -

Hillary becomes President and now owns Joe Lieberman?

Rich, at 25, yes, that timing did strike me as very revealing.

Apparently the tin ear is a dominent not a recessive trait in the LieberDNA.

Doesn’t HillDog’s Connecticut visit put a crimp in RGJoe’s post-primary job prospects? Kinda hard to replace Rummy with RGJoe after all that rubbing-up-against The Clenis.

Honor and integrity, that’s what important to W.

OT:

Some have wondered where Karen Hughes is while the ME explodes… well, she’s been found — sitting in an airport bar, drinking wine, and getting chastised by angry evacuees:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=26650

Because no one is sure who will win, he does need to be careful..However I think bill is a bigger man than I am…Joe was disgusting during clintons impeachment trial and said some unforgiveable things, I would not have forgiven him ..With friends like joe, who needs enemies…Clinton has a good heart..

ot: today’s ABA press conference re. presidential signing statements is must-see TV. c-span 2 just replayed it.

michael greco, president of ABA, neal sonnet, chair of the task force, congressman mickey edwards, their words and defense of the constitution literally brought a tear to my eye and gave me a hope i haven’t felt in a long, long time.

pal -82 Indeed Bill “Clinton has a good heart…” and
Hil Clinton has a good Illinois-roots Republican heart.

Susan in Iowa -

“I would like to ask this Serial Plagiarist - who has made a fortune by loudly and crudely espousing rock ribbed traditional values why can’t she identify her place of worship, does not have a husband or children, and why as a Christian and proud member of the so called culture of life does she so often advocate violence and murder of innocents ? Kirsten Breitweister has challenged her publicly to a debate and not a peep to date - what say you Patriot ?”

with correct pacing, that’s about a minute

Capitola #81 - I used to live in Capitola. First on Riverview, then Lawn Way, then Cherry St.

right @85. Ann Coulter *is* a terrorist. What else would you call someone who advocates killing American citizens because you disagree with them and want to shut them up?

Redshift,

I agree that the reason that Bush and company do diplomacy so badly is that they don’t do it at all. They lambaste the UN then cite its resolutions or at least the ones they want to threaten and bluster and when all else fails they call upon it to pull their biscuits out of the fire.

roselyn -83

Thanks for the C-Span ABA update - sorry to have missed that - anyone know the C-Span repeat schedule routine?

Pachacutec @ 16 has it pegged. If JoMo runs as an indy he gonna get bitten by the big dawg.

Susan in Iowa - Just another thought fwiw. Don’t allow the host to let AC have a free for all. Ask or demand her/him to let you speak. Don’t ask Ann to let you speak.

Ask BoBox if she wil support the winner of the primary.

She gonna say: yes.

Boxer and Lieberman are listed in the top ten career receivers of money from AIPAC in 2004: Lieberman @ #7 and Boxer @ #8.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/.....07027.html

I think Bill agreed to stump for Joe and Hillary agreed to give him a cabinet position in her administration if he abandoned an independent bid after an unsuccesful primary.

The Clintons bargain, they don’t do favors.

Hugh,

agree w/ you AND this is Rice’s “Brownie” moment in full global glare. Let’s see where her un-Bush like approval numbers go in the next 2 weeks

read that and grew more queasy, Capitola, sorta like I always do when hearing about her antics.

But then her buds bush, cheney, rice and rummy are useless too.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

I think I’m going to go with lhp’s idea if I can do it without laughing. It must be difficult to stay in such a depraved character, day after day, even with all the money she’s getting for it. At least Colbert’s character doesn’t have to continually call for political murder of people he disagrees with.

I don’t like Condi anymore than the rest. Doesn’t she take orders or non orders from empty shrub? She is a manolo pawn without genuine cease fire orders.

I vote for Dave’s comment quoted by Pach @ 16

I think we have an example of the Michael Corleone theory of administration, “Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer”

With a smattering of #1 and a dash of #2

susan in iowa - laughing at her could be a good thing. *g*

OT - omg. Didja know our air marshals have freakin’ quotas they have to meet, and if they don’t they don’t get promoted? Josh reports that the marshals are making stuff up about innocent civilians as a result.

Leslie in CA– they learned that stuff from deadeye and his sidekick monkey, sorta like Guantanamo. Y’all have got to read the speech linked to by Mary on the last thread, I sincerely mean it.

Just got home not that long ago, and haven’t had a chance to read all of the speculations, but one thought that occurred to me is that, from a lifespan development perspective, he’s thinking of his legacy. He wants to be remembered as a “statesman”. And maybe he thinks his much celebrated charisma can tip the scales and quash intra-party bickering.

But mostly I’ve been thinking it’s about supporting the Incumbancy Club.

OT but these days, not really.

Did anyone hear Randi talking today about the Clean Break program that the AIPAC people did for Netanyahu in 1996? They laid out steps for Israel to take to be secure. Today’s events are somewhere around step 3a, the first two steps having already been completed (taking out Sadam, Israel bombing Syria in 03).

I’m not feeling so well.

What I said above re why Bill’s campaigning for Joe, I take it back. I believe that Billary is (are?) afraid of the anti-war stance hurting Hill in the future. In fact the whole dem leadership is scared to death to even talk about. Altho Reid is making noise now, but doubt he will keep it up. Too much danger to his political hyde.

They went after Murtha, and now do not want Lamont winning the primary with the media touting his anti-war stance. Even though we all know he is running on much more than that, but they cannot afford another anit-war dem spouting off. My opinion.

As a well plugged-in Nutmegger here, I heard very little about the Dawg coming to stump for Joe. Key will be if it is front-page of the newspapers tomorrow, or if they go with something else. I’d really like to know how many people were there at the theatre. Did not sound too overwhelming from what was shown on the news.

I don’t really think this has a lot of resonance — depends on how much Joe humps it in TV ads. Boxer wasn’t even on local radar.

Colin McEnroe made a great point on air this PM — we all know it’s not just about the war — no, it’s about Lieberman’s hypocracy. He wants ratings on CDs, but goes on the racist Bob Grant show, and loves Imus, who is vulgar. Nothing stands in Lieberman’s way when there is a camera and/or microphone for national exposure. That’s what really pisses us off, and The Big Dawg just ain’t gonna change that.

Jane — how do you get in with press credentials? Have they tried to stop you at Lieberman events?

Still making my way forward to here, but gotta make two comments to Mary re her contributions in today’s earlier threads:

The “Tigris Incident” in Ricks’ book — did you realize that the young man they drowned was Zeyad (of Healing Iraq)’s cousin? (See his archives of the period for the ONLY reason, I feel sure, that we know of this today.)

The Willett lecture you linked left me in a smoking heap of WOW!

For the thousandth time, thank you.

[Whew. May I just add that y’all have no idea how grateful you should be that Preview Is My Friend.]

Leslie in CA at 101, It would be such a relief right about now to read about ordinary corruption, like, say, Spiro Agnew went down for.
Quotas for air marshals. Damn.

shoephone #86–

Hi!

I was named after my great grandmother “Capitola” who was named after Capitola Black, the fictional character from the novel The Hidden Hand by E. D. E. N. Southworth.

Apparently my ancestor had a thing for cross-dressing sharp-tongued tomboys. Not that there’s anything wrong with that :-)

Your town, too, was probably named after Capitola Noir. She was quite