
The Bob Novak CYA Reputation Renewal Tour continues. Yesterday, Novak had an exclusive with those hard-hitting journalists Hannity and Colmes. (Well, Colmes actually asked questions that went beyond the "that's a great suit Bob, tell us where you had it tailored," anyway...Hannity, not so much.) Crooks and Liars has Novak in all his ass-covering smarminess.
I got an e-mail from Joe Wilson a little while ago with his response to Novak, and let's just say that Amb. Wilson is not at all pleased with the continuing saga of Novak failing to take any responsibility for acting as a political hatchet job tool-of-the-day. Thought you all would be interested in what Amb. Wilson had to say:
Robert Novak, some other commentators and the Administration continue to try to completely distort the role that Valerie Wilson played with respect to Ambassador Wilson's trip to Niger. The facts are beyond dispute. The Office of the Vice President requested that the CIA investigate reports of alleged uranium purchases by Iraq from Niger. The CIA set up a meeting to respond to the Vice President's inquiry. Another CIA official, not Valerie Wilson, suggested to Valerie Wilson's supervisor that the Ambassador attend that meeting. That other CIA official made the recommendation because that official was familiar with the Ambassador's vast experience in Niger and knew of a previous trip to Africa concerning uranium matters that had been undertaken by the Ambassador on behalf of the CIA in 1999. Valerie Wilson's supervisor subsequently asked her to relay a request from him to the Ambassador that he would like the Ambassador to attend the meeting at the CIA. Valerie Wilson did not participate in the meeting.
I'm still waiting for someone to ask Bob Novak Swopa's questions: "Who was the first person to tell him that Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA? Did he know this when he spoke to his supposed "primary source"?"
Was Bob already fishing with a fully loaded line? If so, who handed him the bait?
Wouldn't we all like to know that one...but we sure as hell didn't get it from Hannity and Colmes last night, despite Alan Colmes asking some pretty good questions about the...erm...discrepancies in Novak's various statements, interviews, and rantings. Here's a snippet of the interview (via C&L):
COLMES: Help me understand something, because you said in your piece today that you found out Valerie Plame’s name originally by reading a "Who’s Who." And you’re quoted in "Newsday" by Timothy Phelps and Knut Royce a while back as saying, "I didn’t dig it out. It was given to me," meaning her name. "They thought it was significant. They gave me the name, and I used it."That sounds like contradictory statements.
NOVAK: Well, that was a misstatement. That was an interview I did on the telephone with "Newsday" shortly after it appeared. Some of the things that they said that quoted me that are not in quotes are paraphrases, and they’re incorrect, such as the whole idea that they planted this story with me. I never told that to the "Newsday" reporters.
But, as a matter of fact, let me assure you that neither my primary source gave — mentioned Valerie Plame’s name to me, nor did Karl Rove mention the name to me, nor did the CIA spokesman. They just talked about Joe Wilson’s wife. I got her name from "Who’s Who"…
COLMES: You said that Bill Harlow asked you not to go with this. Are there others who urged, "Don’t go with this story. Don’t print it. Don’t use the name. Don’t talk about Valerie Plame"? Why didn’t you listen to them, if that’s the case?
NOVAK: If I — Alan, if I adhered to — if I bowed to somebody who asked me not to write stories all the time who are in government, about half the columns I write would not be written, or a great number would not be written.
If he had said to me at any time that she was — that she was — her life was in danger, she was involved in undercover activities…
Well, isn't that interesting.
Two things: (1) I sure hope to hell that Newsday recorded the conversation with Bob Novak. Because he just called them sloppy journalists and basically accused them of fabricating his quotes. If they have a tape, and a transcript of said tape, now would be the time to publish it. (And I mean the entire transcript, start to weaselly finish.) (2) According to Bill Harlow, the conversation with Novak went something like this:
Harlow, the former CIA spokesman, said in an interview yesterday that he testified last year before a grand jury about conversations he had with Novak at least three days before the column was published. He said he warned Novak, in the strongest terms he was permitted to use without revealing classified information, that Wilson's wife had not authorized the mission and that if he did write about it, her name should not be revealed.Harlow said that after Novak's call, he checked Plame's status and confirmed that she was an undercover operative. He said he called Novak back to repeat that the story Novak had related to him was wrong and that Plame's name should not be used. But he did not tell Novak directly that she was undercover because that was classified.
So, let's see, the spokesperson for the CIA checks out your journalistic call and gets back to you saying Valerie's name is NOT to be used...and you blow it off because he doesn't give you every detail of her covert status, her driver's license number and do a tap dance to Mr. Bojangles while playing the tune on a kazoo? What, are you a journalistic moron (yeah, don't bother to answer that...)? Harlow could not, under his SF-312 requirements, disclose any details because it was...wait for it...about covert status. (btw, see Emptywheel's fantastic dissection of this WaPo Pincus article. Great read.)
That Novak could not understand the flat out "Hello, Bob. Do not publish her name. There are consequences involved." when speaking to someone at the C...I...freaking...A, well...words fail me. Of course, when you are looking for a loophole that allows you to get the dirt out and never take responsibility for being the WHIG tool, you don't exactly want to have listening comprehension at the top of your journalist kit bag, do you?
There is a reason that Novak is on a reputation rehabilitation tour -- it's because his reputation is in the crapper, and no one trusts him.
Not his fellow journalists. Not the political operatives who used to leak to him, especially now that everyone knows he spilled his guts early and often to Fitzgerald and the grand jury and the FBI.
And FOX has a contract with this weasel and is pimping his rehab like there is no tomorrow because...wait for it...they can't use him as a propaganda tool if everyone still thinks of him as a weaselly liar who would sell out anyone, including a covert CIA agent working on nuclear nonproliferation issues during a time when our nation is threatened by this very issue, if he was asked to do so -- because Bob Novak has never, ever apologized to the Wilsons for being the tool by which the WHIG exacted its political revenge on Joe Wilson.
And I have news for Bob Novak, that's going to be the first line of his obituary, no matter how much rehab PR he and his Murdoch masters try to spin out. It's too late for reputation rehab for Mr. Novak, I'm afraid.
Oh, and Murray Waas is likely off the Novak Christmas card list. But I bet he's not losing any sleep over it. I know I'm not.
Steve Clemons has more.
UPDATE: Reader smass has a good question in the comments:
You know, I have a question here. From H&C:
NOVAK: If I — Alan, if I adhered to — if I bowed to somebody who asked me not to write stories all the time who are in government, about half the columns I write would not be written, or a great number would not be written.
So, then, Bob admits that he was asked not to run with that part of the story. Does this mean, then, that the right-wing is going to call for Bob to be prosecuted for treason? I mean, one of their arguments against the NYT is that they were asked not to run the story.
Maybe Novak falls under the WSJ exception: if someone from the Administration asks you to print national security information for any reason whatsoever, including CYA for Dick Cheney and his peeps, you are on base and can't be tagged. (Doesn't that pretty much sum up the wingnut position in a nutshell?)
UPDATE #2: Justin Rood at the Muck has even more on this, including all the ways in which Novak was inaccurate about Murray Waas. Well worth a read. (Hat tip to lotus for the find.)
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i got zero!!!!!!! woo HOOOOOOOOOO
Fitz!
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(almost got it)
Plame!
woo-hoo, thanks CHS.
Hi, Ambassador Wilson!
please do not diss weasels by associating them with Bob Novak !
Novak’s picture appears in the dictionary next to the words “bullshitter”, “fake”, “hack”, “liar”, “propagandist”, “skank”, “skease”, “smarmy”…I’m still working my way through it, I’m sure I’ve missed entire letters and T through Z.
That’s one way to save on dictionary publication expenses, I guess.
I have always been on Joe Wilson’s side on this debate. However, isn’t having a contract with Fox News mean automatically that you have NO journalistic integrity, and are just mainly the propaganda wing of the religious fundamentalists, the NRA, and the neo-cons?
They don’t call Bob No-Facts the “Douchebag of Liberty” for nothing.
Once a political hack, always a political hack. Why doesn’t this tool get the Jayson Blair treatment? Oh, right, because he is carrying water for the power-elite.
-GSD
Looks like the Lebanese army is getting close to being sucked into this new war.
Katyusha rockets have hit the Israeli city of Haifa.
This is getting bad and badder by the minute.
P.S. I never knew that Less Kinsolving was a Worldnut Daily reporter. That explains it all.
The “who’s Who” says Valerie Flame worked for the CIA? I doubt that.
Which Who’s Who was this? Novack found Valerie Plame’s name and no doubt her real occupation and status in a Who’s Who. Wow, Bob, any other whoppers you want to tell us?
If Bob Novak is a journalist than I’m a fucking movie star. He’s nothing more than a political operative with a keyboard and some very, shall we say “cooperative” editors.
Novak is a disgrace to this country, to the media outlets that peddle his junk and every GOP hitman that has him on speed dial.
Someone needs to put this man out on the curb next Monday morning.
Now let me tell you howe I really feel.
Why do I get the feeling that the good Ambassador would privately like to poke that douchemonger* Novak in the nose?
* hat tip to GSD for my favorite new word.
I had to laugh about the mention of a Novak obituary. Was he ever alive, in a human sense?
EPU’d on an off-topic ramble on Specter/FISA/NSA/Graham/Haynes and the weird rumblings taking place between the Senate and the WH. Bob Novak ain’t the only one trying to cover his ass in this round world.
peace,
jim
I’m getting that dizzy feeling again… Bush is running his mouth in Germany and somehow Iran not coming to the table to negotiate nuculur weapons is the cause of the conflict b/n Israel and Lebanon…
I just never understand this foreign policy stuff
Thanks Christy for presenting the other
side of the story.
Did you hear that idiot Rollins on Matthews last night? We owe Karl Roverpuss an apology!
We owe Ambassador Wilson an apology and bags of money for their smearing character assasination (sp?)
Jack
There’s a reason Novak only appears in fora where he knows the most ferocious interrogator he’ll face is Alan “Wet Dishrag” Colmes. He backed out of a debate with Eric Alterman, and even that sad little choreographed Punch’n'Judy show with the increasingly useless Mr Mary Matalin was more than he could take.
Christy, thanks for the post!
Les’ question was posed to Snowballs the other day and I smacked my sore head then, too, GSD. SOOOOOO pre 911.
this is gonna be hell on earth and Merkel and the Simian are having a mutual admiration society meeting. Yep, Haifa was hit and Lebanon is being destroyed again.
Here’s what Michael Young from the Daily Star had to say today at the end of his chat:
>>>>>>>>>>
Michael Young: I’ll close by saying that I’m very worried about the situation. In a way, I feel that a great deal of the Israeli reaction is simply revenge. I can’t imagine that all this destruction has a political objective. I can see some Israeli objectives. But if Lebanon is, ultimately, destroyed, then that will only benefit Hezbollah and Syria. And I think it will severely weaken those forces in Lebanon who, a year ago, called on Syria to withdraw, who would like to see Hezbollah disarmed and who, frankly, have a vision of Lebanon as a more open, peaceful society.
Has anybody checked the Who’s Who that Novack claims he got the name from?
*ilson, thanx for standing up for weasels.
Novak appears to be carved out of unadulterated slime. For some reason every time I imagine his face (which I have only been exposed to on TV), I start simultaneously thinking about how to spell “oleogineous.” I wonder if I spelled it correctly this time. I’d look it up in a dictionary, but am afraid the definition would be accompanied by a small photo of his visage.
Marquis Who’s Who has a lot of titles. Novack needs to supply the exact title and year of the edition.
http://www.marquiswhoswho.com/.....tories.asp
BTW, I can’t get FOX TV where I live. Okay, I’ll quit bragging now!
Down with the Urinary Expletive!
I love the moronic wingnut logic. “If the CIA didn’t want Valerie Wilson to be exposed then thye should have told No-Facts that she was covert.
That is some seriously studpid circular logic.
-GSD
I’ll tell you what the really funny thing is
most wing nuts are believing that the cia is a run amok arm of the government set to overthrow the whtiehosue
true, that’s what they believe
GSD
It’s the same logic they use when they say if you have nothing to hide, then why should you care about wiretaps.
GSD#8
I don’t want to hijack this thread, but do you have a site that is discussing this latest lebanon craziness. Trying to learn about this. thanks.
You know, I have a question here. From H&C:
So, then, Bob admits that he was asked not to run with that part of the story. Does this mean, then, that the right-wing is going to call for Bob to be prosecuted for treason? I mean, one of their arguments against the NYT is that they were asked not to run the story.
Ah yes. The Good Christian Ralph Reed and the devout Jew Jack Abramoff.
Looking to “mortgage” the lives of poor Indians and African Americans to make money.
God in action.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001121.php
-GSD
Recent polls have the contemptable Ralph Reed tanking. Must be a sign from God.
Christy,
I don’t think you’ll need to wait for Novak’s obituary to see him identified as a WHIG tool. I’m reasonably sure that it’s the first line in his entry in Who’s Who.
Or did I get that from Newsday?
Here’s a pdf of the entire Who’s Who page with the Joe Wilson entry:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....hoswho.pdf
I know, completely OT - but Israel and Shrub are ratcheting up the language that Iran is involved with the conflict with Lebanon…
it worries me that this is how we will get into a war with Iran via this route…
No mention of VPW being CIA, in case there was any doubt.
If Jesus Christ came back today and saw all the shit that’s being done in His name, he would never stop throwing up.
– Max von Sydow as Frederick in Hannah and Her Sisters, by Woody Allen
Aaargh, I hate that bastard. I see nothing heroic or revelatory (at least not intentionally) in anything he’s said since he so grandiosely announced that he was now free to speak on his involvement in the Plame case.
And I cannot believe he is *still* flogging that nonsense that they didn’t really out Valerie Plame because… he had to LOOK UP the name of Wilson’s wife?
Jaysus. Anyone who falls for that is too dumb to be a journalist.
How can they even trot out this “accident” bullshit when McClellan and I believe Rove have said that the leaks were a way of “countering” Wilson’s “lies”? they’ve already admitted this.
Didn’t his first lie say that her company made a campaign contrubution and that’s where he got it. Disclaimer: I’m wrong alot.
*ilson –
open bold near the end of the prior thread . . .
Thanks op99, I thought someone who was interested in the truth would’ve done it already.
That Novak could not understand the flat out “Hello, Bob. Do not publish her name. There are consequences involved.” when speaking to someone at the C…I…freaking…A, well…words fail me.
This has always been the UNBELIEVABLE part to me. It’s not like Novak is a dewey eyed young thing in chiffon either.
Chimpy Scorecard for today:
Oil-$76.00 a barrel
Dow Jones-down 126 and counting.
Deficit-300 billion dollars-yippee!
North Korea-telling the US and the world-F.U.
Iran-telling the US and the world-F.U.
Afghanistan-6 years after the Taliban has been “deafeated” they are resurgent.
Iraq-In the first throes of a civil war.
Israel/Palestine-Open war and the region is going up in flames.
US-New Orleans is stuck in mud. The Big Dig is falling apart.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
-ck- @ 35
Got it.
GSD,
The Israelis are greatly misunderstood. All they want is peace and if peace requires them to shoot up their neighbors, they will because peace is that important to them.
Lies, lies, lies — that’s all the goopers have in stock, so that’s all they deal in.
The Palm Beach Post just caught Alligator Bag in another one, too:
Harris pads role, impact on housing, reports say
By Larry Lipman
Palm Beach Post Washington Bureau
Thursday, July 13, 2006
WASHINGTON — On the campaign trail and in her literature, U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris boasts that, as a freshman member of Congress, she passed the American Dream Downpayment Act, “enabling 4.5 million low-income workers to own their first home while growing the U.S. economy by $256 billion.”
Federal reports indicate Harris’ claims are grossly exaggerated.
A Government Accountability Office report issued June 30 found that, through 2005, only $98.5 million of the $211 million Congress appropriated had been used by local governments to help more than 13,000 low-income families buy new homes — far below her claim of 4.5 million.
Harris also has taken projections of the Bush administration’s goals for expanding minority homeownership and used them as the basis of her claims for the economic impact of the American Dream Downpayment Act.
Harris’ congressional spokesman, Gerry Fritz, conceded Wednesday that the claims in her campaign literature were inaccurate.
“Someone in the campaign made an error,” he said, acknowledging that Harris’ figures came from a 2002 Department of Housing and Urban Development report that predicted President Bush’s goal of expanding minority homeownership by 5.5 million families “will stimulate an additional $256 billion in benefits to the housing sector of the U.S. economy.”
[etc., etc.]
The wingnuts are out in force on the airwaves over Novak’s serenade. “Joe Wilson outed his wife himself” I heard someone say. “Novak says this, and it must be so.” “It’s straight outta the horse’s (pretend I wrote ass and then struck it out. The HTLM codes on my mac are so small I can’t read them) mouth, ya gotta believe it.”
I don’t gotta believe a word out of Novak’s () mouth. When he became Roman Catholic recently and then joined Opus Dei, the ultimate in “authoritarian” religions and clubs, respectively, he proved his mettle. He’s always been a Repug water carrier and his behind-the-scene bad actions and public bad-boy persona wore thin years ago. I hope he rips his pants before stalking off someone’s ;…./stage next time.
I think it is a ploy to involve Iran in war. What has Bush said regarding Israel’s nukes and his American soldier’s in harm’s way in this battle, anything?
Mary, if you haven’t heard the latest re Barbaro, brace yourself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07.....nted=print
#41.
I am always reminded of my 9th grade history teacher Mrs. Pierce:
“History is full of examples of the oppressed becoming the oppressor.”
-GSD
I’m hoping that Novak will also be named in the civil litigation that will be brought by Wilson against Rove, Cheney, Libbry, and hopefully Shrubya.
When Novak stormed off the CNN set, wasn’t there a great big Who’s Who volume sitting right on the desk?
Barbaro-fans, I shoulda used this link instead (more multimedia):
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07.....r=homepage
ccmask @43… that’s what I think is happening…. Bush pulled one of those 9/11 - Saddam moves this morning… where the sentence starts wtih Lebanon/Hezbollah and ends with Iran’s nukes….
I have a question for Karl Rove: when Novak mentioned that Valerie Plame was rumored to be working for the CIA, why didn’t you, Rover, as a responsible member of the administration say, instead of “Yeah, I heard that, too,” something like, “So maybe you ought to think twice about printing that, Bob, just in case she’s covert” — you know, a friendlier version of what you were screaming to the NY Times about your illegal surveillance program?
GSD at 41 — Mrs Pearce was a wise woman. That, in a nutshell, is the story of much of the world’s leaders. It is certainly the history of the Sunnis in Iraq, and the Serbs in Yugoslavia and the Tutsis and Hutus and and and
Novak, Rove, Scalia, Cheney, etc., could all have worked for the government of Generalissimo Franco without changing their views one iota. Novak is just one more rabid ideologue in a gang that is filled with nothing but ideologues.
Assimilated Press
Read “Bush Orders Execution Of First Dog Barney” at:
http://assimilatedpress.blogspot.com/
That punctuation in the last sentence was Kittaine walking across the keyboard just as I hit post. he says hi.
Just stating the obvious — but when the next Democratic President takes office in January of 2009, there will be never ending demogogic wailing about how the Administration undermines the military and the CIA. The slightest comment will be called treasonous. The smallest intrusion into people’s lives will be called fascism. Any suggestion that people claiming the false mantel of religion are hypocrits will be called blasphemy.
So says Imm.
Not that I believe a word of it, but I think the story Novack is trying to peddle is this:
1)Original source says “Wilson’s wife works at CIA and sent him to Niger”
2)Novack looks up Wilson in Who’s Who, sees that wife is Valerie Elise Plame.
3)Calls CIA to confirm that she works there.
4)Calls Rove to confirm that she had a role in sending Joe Wilson to Africa.
You may need to switch the order of 3 and 4.
However, Why would he call Rove of all people to get that particular confirmation? Why should Rove know the answer to that? wouldn’t you confirm that with CIA?
The fact that Rove was a target of a call to get confirmation of this factoid, means that Novak thought it was a smear, or already knew that there was some kind of hit out on Wilson.
This is particularly interesting since it it is the Cheney faction that was soooo upset about the article, not the Bush/Rove faction.
Hmmm………..
Without clicking the link, I’m going to assume Barney was caught collaborating with Sox,Clinton’s cat?
I say we torture the m*th8rf888e8 [Novak] and get the name of the White House offical what give him the name. Why waste time on more smoke when we could be proving that the 2004 election was stolen by traitors and most journalists were too afraid to expose it?
Hello to Kittaine. My fumblefoots have been known to reallocate my portfolio in visits to me while I’m on my brokerage’s site, Mommybrain. Their picks beat mine, is the real hell of it.
Brief OT news:
Per the AP:
Will believe it when I see it.
Back on-topic: Why does Novak even bother? It can’t make a hill of beans worth of difference to Fox, or the people who watch it, since truth isn’t even in the room in that organization, much less on a list anywhere.
Novak’s comments about not respecting being asked not to run stories pretty much kills the administration’s fake hissy fit over the NYT, wouldn’t you say?
(Playing “Taps” for Novak’s career)
Imm,
Yep. That is one history class and lesson I’ll never forget.
OT.
Hypothetical.
If Bush, Cheney and Rove were given creative license to produce a halftime show at a sporting event what would it look like? With their rumored greatness in theory and on paper, but with their seeming ability to screw up a tray of ice-cubes when their skills are applied in the real world. This is what those brilliant minds and powers that be, at the top of the world, with all of the resources, money and creativity would produce:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIKkUTn1Wuc
-GSD
Isn’t Novak in his mid-70s or so? Shouldn’t he just retire before he digs his hole any deeper with the Wilsons?
OMG! - GSD! that is just painful to watch!
I’ve probably missed something here, but what is it that’s keeping Novak from naming his “primary source”? If there’s no more danger of anyone getting prosecuted, how will Mr. X be harmed by being named? I think we can be pretty sure at this point that Bush will renege on his promise to fire the people responsible for leaking Plame’s identity.
Oh, and lotus - the Barbaro news is about as bad as it gets, sad to say. I’ve seen it happen and it’s always heart-wrenching. The bond that develops between horse and rider is one I’ve only experienced through my daughter and the thousands of hours I’ve spent in the barn, but it’s pretty special. My daughter’s friend has a horse who is going to have to be put down fairly soon - he has a hoof problem that has resulted in his coffin bone beginning to try to protrude through his foot. He’s got a special shoe to help with the pressure, and so far, he’a managing okay, but it isn’t going to get better. I think as soon as they can accept that it has to happen, they will put him down.
Novak, Date of Birth: 26 February 1931.
Sheesh, my Mom looks a lot better than he does at 75. Must be the hate-filled lifestyle….
GSD
Well done. Depressing as hell, but well done.
lhp
However, Why would he call Rove of all people to get that particular confirmation? Why should Rove know the answer to that? wouldn’t you confirm that with CIA?
The fact that Rove was a target of a call to get confirmation of this factoid, means that Novak thought it was a smear, or already knew that there was some kind of hit out on Wilson.
Well, that’s a damn good question.
Speechless.
GQ: Reed, Abramoff Discussed “Mortgaging Old Black People”
lhp — slightly OT, but did you sleep last night, or too much puppy birthing? Any conclusions about auto fe Deo?
OT and catching up on threads:
egregious — that’s great news about your sister.
lhp @ 56
Why would Novak call Rove? It sounds to me like he was going over Harlow’s head, but going from the CIA to the White House.
Don’t get the answer you like? Kick the question upstairs and get it overturned. SOP for this White House, and the NeoCon/TheoCon/PaleoCon horses they rode in on . . .
So Rove says “Oh, don’t worry about the CIA - they work for us. You go right ahead and publish it . . .”
Grrrrr . . .
egregious, yes, truly good news — have any phone calls from the daughter about the move?
OT - I apologize if someone has posted on this already.
HERO
MANSFIELD, Ohio (AP) - A woman drowned after jumping into fast-moving floodwaters to try to rescue her 9-year-old daughter, who slipped on a stone walkway into the water and was swept through 460 feet of drainage pipe into another creek.
The girl emerged from the pipe without serious injuries and was able to get out of the water and seek help, police Lt. Dave Nirode said. Firefighters found the body of her mother, Dianna Snyder, 40, about 100 feet downstream from where the girl came out of the pipe.
http://apnews.myway.com/articl.....7BS89.html
Peterr at 71 — yes that’s what it has always sounded like to me. “CIA says I can’t run with this story, can I Karl?”
AND great post last thread — please keep them coming!
I don’t know if anyone’s pointed this out on this site before. Novak went to Bill Harlow knowing Joseph Wilson’s wife, named Valerie Plame, worked at the CIA. He asked Bill Harlow at the CIA for confirmation. Harlow eventually finds out she’s undercover, and strongly advises Novak not to publish her name. Call me stupid, but shouldn’t Harlow have been smart enough to recognize that, whether or not Novak published her given name, “Joseph Wilson’s wife” is equally damaging to her position. Harlow’s either an idiot, or he thinks we are. And, if the latter, he’s full of shit, ’cause by confirming Novak’s information, he was, by definition, knowingly divulging the IDENTITY of an undercover agent. The ‘name’ is irrelevant–he divulged her identity. The story he tells about only being able to go as far as telling Novak not to publish the name because of the sensitive nature of the information is, flat out, bullshit.
The Douche caught in a rovian web of lies;
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001124.php
OT– CNN reporting that evacuation of US citizens may be imminent in Lebanon. How they gonna do that with the airport bombed?
Reporter Starr says they may use ships…
Anne says, Per the AP:
“Will believe it when I see it.”
But of course he’ll sign it, Anne…with the usual discretionary signing statement totally neutering everything [including Specter] signed under the table.
emptywheel says: “Well, that’s a damn good question.”
July 13th, 2006 at 11:00 am
Add what op99 stated upthread (post 31 at 10:28), and we plainly see that Who’s Who in America said nothing about where Valerie Plame Wilson worked, as we look at Christy’s comments:
The Bob Novak CYA Reputation Renewal Tour continues.
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Well, sort of. He’s limited himself to Fox News, a la Cheney. And look how far it got Cheney. I think he’s just trying to get back in with the right-wingers, and frankly, he’s not even doing a good job of that.
Look the pact that Judy ‘ little tubes of terror’ Miller also wrote down Plame as ‘ Flame’ is frobably just a co-incidence…there is nothing to see here! Move on!
Justin Rood won’t be on Novak’s Christmas list either:
Oh, come on…Novak is told (1) that what he was trying to confirm was not true and (2) not to use her name if he wrote about it. I think it was pretty obvious that “Wilson’s wife” would be just as much a use of her name as if “Valerie Plame” or “Valerie Wilson” were used. And he got a follow-up call to further stress not using her name. The thing is, Novak didn’t go with the more obscure “Wilson’s wife,” he used both “Valerie Plame” and “Wilson’s wife.”
Now, the simple truth is that Novak could have written about Wilson’s trip without ever bringing Plame into it at all, if the real purpose of the column was to dispute the information Wilson brought back from Niger.
I just do not understand what it is about this that people don’t get.
Emptywheel
Got a question for you. I noticed in the Article Woodward wrote that the tone/mood of his language when discussing his source (who is supposed to be the same as Novak’s source) is strikingly similar to the tone/mood he used when describing shrub in the woodward book about the run up to the war. All soft focus and souring violins.
Also, Novak has many times (in unrealted context) said that Bush is not a partisan guy (uniter not divider, blah blah blah)
Plus, there was that one outburst where Novak said somehing like “You want to know who woodward’s source is , ask bush”
Why can’t it have been Bush?
If it was Bush, and he has ultimate declassifiaction authority, it would explain a whole lot about why the wurlitzer started so early with the no underlying crime idea, and why Fitz went back so early to clarify that he was not limited to the “outing” crimes.
great emptywheel, you with the mind like an steel trap, who never forgets a factoid, tell me why I should wipe shrub off my list of suspects?
Unbelievable. I wouldn’t be surprised if Novakc or someone else looked up Joe Wilson in Who’s Who *after* all this went down, and like an idiot decided that that tiny little entry that mentions his marital status provided them with some vindication.
GSD pointed this out a little earlier.
Nymex Crude Future $76.25, up $1.30
Dated Brent Spot $74.92, up $1.44
WTI Cushing Spot $76.30, up $1.35
Israel’s efforts to restore calm to the Middle East are having their expected effects on the oil market. With allies like these, . . .
dalloway 51 and lhp 56: Those are the right questions.
dalloway reminds us that Rove had an affirmative obligation to warn Novak against revealing an agent; he didn’t, but instead confirmed it.
lhp reminds us of the sequence of disclosures/confirmation and how Novak would have perceived it. He knew the “smear” was on, but instead of reporting the truth — the WH is trying to smear the Wilsons — he imnplemented the smear after being warned it could hurt national security. One might add, once Novak is told by CIA “do not publish this woman’s name/status” he apparently doesn’t ask Rove, “did you hear that too.”
In addition, once the CIA knows that Novak is about to print something wrt to Plame, there should/would have been further warnings to the WH to say, “we have a problem re the possible disclosure of an agent,” and the WH should have been tipped off to warn Novak to back off. But that didn’t happen. Why not?
Finally, let’s not forget the two people most responsible for our National Security at the time, our current Sec of State, Ms Rice, and our current NS Advisor, Mr. Hadley. Both knew about the Wilson’s wife link by the time Bush took the Africa trip during “leak week” back in July 2003, yet Ms. Rice went out of her way to urge reporters to go looking in the CIA for whoever sent Wilson to Niger. That alone should have been grounds for firing.
A cabal in the WH wanted reporters to find Plame at the CIA and link her to the Wilson trip, and they did. At the very least, Rove moved this plan [conspiracy] along by even the most innocent version of “oh, I heard that too.”
And in Baghdad, the (London)Timesman reports:
Baghdad starts to collapse as its people flee a life of death
Israeli gunboats now attacking Beirut Airport again, targetting gas tanks this time — CNN
OT–oh sh*t– an Israeli gunboat just fired on the airport and gas tanks have been targeted.
Sorry– this is creeping me out, Dana just took my question at wapo
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New Hampshire: Hi Dana.
CNN is reporting that the evacuation of U.S. citizens from Lebanon may be imminent. Seems kind of dicey to me with both civilian and military airports bombed and the harbors not at all secure. How do you think this may be accomplished and do you think the U.S. could get “drawn in” militarily?
Dana Priest: I was just discussing this with my colleagues. My opinion is yes. If Hezbollah, which is so controlled/supported/supplied by Iran, keeps it up and Israel cannot effectively repel this and protect its population, I could see the US conducting air strikes against Iran or Syria. I think the US will avoid this for as long as possible because the cost of actually joining in will be enormous. It would open up yet another anti-American element in Iraq (the Iranians who now play all sides of the fence). So I think there will be huge caution at the Pentagon to do this, huge. I would like you would first see logistics support and lots of firm words from the White House.
Would it be possible to get Fitz to confirm that he has requested Doucebag to remain silent all this time? It just seems strange he was the first to spill his guts and the last to speak about it. He truly is a piss poor excuse for a human being.
angie … I can’t smile about it, but … you know.
I wish someone would do some in depth research on the public material availble on brewster jennings and associates
yes, what happened to valery was a travesty, but I think we can make an incredible case what was lost if we do some research into this brass plate company and had that material to use in conversations
O/T, but ugly:
“Rep. Steve King (R-IA) went on the House floor on Tuesday to discuss a fence that he “designed” for the southern boarder. (King constructed a model of the fence as he was speaking.) King’s design features a wire electrified “with the kind of current that would not kill somebody.” King noted that “we do this with livestock all the time.””
This may not matter but, now that Novak is out there once again spinning his story calling other reporters such as Waas a liars… etc I have a question? If Novak publically contradicting his story now as opposed to what he told Fitzgerald, could Fitzgerald hall him back in for further investigation? Or is the matter closed as Novak states?
OT but interesting. I was sent and participated in a Zogby poll this morning. The usual questions about biggest problems, favorability of Shrub, congress, state politicians. Toward the end a new topic. Do you have plans to move out of the country within the next two years? How odd.
Sorry kids…The Cap’n Bobby Waterhead Seaweed Party park and Kelp Kandy Karnival is shut down until further notice for the summer…Too many leaks in the ol’ seabag
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This Novak issue is just one of the reasons I am screaming for bottom-up pressure on Fitz’s moral and ethical duty to talk about the facts of this case before the end of the summer. If the nation goes into another election with only the BushCo regime capable of swaying voter opinion with Terrorist-Fear-Poll-Raising stories, then the left/Democrats/non-robotic entities in this country will be faced with the probability of HillbillyAmerika pushing the right-wing buttons on the touch screens in November.
Get the word out to the sources who may be able to get the Special Counsel’s crew to sit down for 10mins and discuss the implications to the voters of NOT knowing the facts before they vote!
Dan
I’m going to give you the first paragraphs of that London Times story I linked 10 minutes ago:
I hung up the phone, I wondered if I would ever see my friend Ali alive again. Ali, The Times translator for the past three years, lives in west Baghdad, an area that is now in meltdown as a bitter civil war rages between Sunni insurgents and Shia militias. It is, quite simply, out of control.
I returned to Baghdad on Monday after a break of several months, during which I too was guilty of glazing over every time I read another story of Iraqi violence. But two nights on the telephone, listening to my lost and frightened Iraqi staff facing death at any moment, persuaded me that Baghdad is now verging on total collapse.
Ali phoned me on Tuesday night, about 10.30pm. There were cars full of gunmen prowling his mixed neighbourhood, he said. He and his neighbours were frantically exchanging information, trying to identify the gunmen.
Were they the Mahdi Army, the Shia militia blamed for drilling holes in their victims’ eyes and limbs before executing them by the dozen? Or were they Sunni insurgents hunting down Shias to avenge last Sunday’s massacre, when Shia gunmen rampaged through an area called Jihad, pulling people from their cars and homes and shooting them in the streets?
Ali has a surname that could easily pass for Shia. His brother-in-law has an unmistakably Sunni name. They agreed that if they could determine that the gunmen were Shia, Ali would answer the door. If they were Sunnis, his brother-in-law would go.
Whoever didn’t answer the door would hide in the dog kennel on the roof.
Their Plan B was simpler: to dash 50 yards to their neighbours’ house - home to a dozen brothers. All Iraqi homes are awash with guns for self-defence in these merciless times. Together they would shoot it out with the gunmen - one of a dozen unsung Alamos now being fought nightly on Iraq’s blacked-out streets.
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curve666 at 99 — it is not Fitzgerald or his team’s mandate to work on a political timetable. To ask them to do otherwise is to politicize the investigation, which will not be something any of them will do. The investigation will finish out when it does — although, I would note, that the current seated grand jury ends its term in October, barring an extension. Just FYI.
Just read this dkos diary saying Wilsons to sue Cheney, Libby, and Rove in civil suit.
Wait for it, waiiiiit. Price of crude goes up as Israel fires on gas tank At airport. OPEC last seen clapping hands in glee.
Followup to 102:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060713......html?.v=1
Press Release Source: Proskauer Rose LLP
Valerie Plame Wilson, Ambassador Joseph Wilson and Their Counsel to Hold News Conference Announcing Lawsuit against I. Lewis ”Scooter” Libby, Vice-President Cheney and Karl Rove
Via Kos- Wilson to file lawsuit
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/13/142451/332
Colmes really does ask good questions on a consistent basis.
The problem is he gets steamrolled by Hannity and guests. Its hard to get your point across when you’re sitting next to Mr Obnoxious.