
Back in the days of the Alito confirmation process, and the subsequent vote in South Dakota on an archaic abortion denial law, I wrote a series of posts on how difficult it is to make decisions for someone else without the benefit of being able to stand in their shoes. (See here and here.)
If you have never had to deal with the emotional and physical aftermath of a violent rape, be thankful. What NARAL and Planned Parenthood's national organizations seem to forget is...there are a LOT of women who can never forget.
No matter how far away from the rape you get, there are things that bring you right back into that moment, and they can be as little as someone touching your arm from behind in a certain way that feels so terrifyingly familiar; or a voice at just the right pitch and tone when you aren't expecting it; or simply walking out to your car at a time of day when the lighting hits you just right; or, for me, that moment on an elevator when the doors are just about to close, and then someone reaches in to grab it and steps on...and for a moment, I have to gut check to be certain the person is not...well, let's just say that I gut check and leave it at that.
As I said at the time of the original shoes post:
But every single time I hear someone talk about being pro-life without giving a thought to the woman involved, I cringe. Because I could have easily been impregnated against my will. Violently, viciously impregnated.
And now, some young girl in South Dakota who is raped and finds herself pregnant will be forced to carry the child of her rapist, feeling it grow and move, a daily reminder of the rape -- with the flashbacks, the terror, the nightmares, the gut-wrenching fear -- everything that you have to overcome after being raped, along with handling the emotions and the responsibilities that come along with a pregnancy.
Wealthy women will be able to travel to other states and obtain an abortion. But, as with so many other things, the poor will be disproportionately affected because they will not be able to pay to travel, stay overnight somewhere, have an abortion and then get the necessary adequate follow-up medical care, let alone the necessary counseling.
Poor women will face the unenviable choice of carrying the child of a rapist or a child conceived of incest (imagine the hell of being impregnated by your own father for a moment)...or perhaps the choice of a back-alley, unsafe abortion and then the resulting sterility or worse, an infection that leads to death, that caused abortion laws to be fought so hard for in the 1970s....
Strange how we are right back where we started, months later, with two groups that purportedly have a mission that is to support folks in this situation.
Except this time we are talking about a morning after pill, which isn't even close to an abortion, but which prevents ovulation and, theoretically at least, fertilization. And we are back to Joe Lieberman's cloture vote -- and his constant need to have it both ways, to play both sides of the issue so he covers his ass with everyone.
As I said during the Alito confirmation process, as part of my rationale for opposing his nomination:
Above and beyond the issues of personal liberty and freedom (as though that isn't enough), there are also questions of privacy and choice. I've actually had to spend time with young teens who have been impregnated by family members (father, stepfather, brother) through rape and incest, and then had to make the decision as to whether or not to terminate the pregnancy or carry a child of incest to term for nine long months. I can tell you that it is heartbreaking for everyone involved, no matter what the decision. To try and criminalize someone who has already been victimized in that manner is horrendous -- but to use this issue as a dividing line through inflamatory speech and no compassion for the people facing this heart-rending choice is unconscionable....I don't want people to have more abortions. If I could, I'd wave a wand and make all babies be born under ideal circumstances to parents who would love and care for them.
But I happen to live in the all-too-real world, where sexual abuse and violent rape and all those other nasty things happen, where children wake up and wonder if there will be any food for them to eat -- right here in the US of A -- and where other things that most people can never even imagine happen within families and neighborhoods and all over the place.
And I know enough to know this: I don't speak for God, and neither should anyone else. That's why it is an individual choice -- you make peace with your own soul, your own faith and your own family and friends based on your own, individual and hideous circumstances in each case -- and beyond that, it's no one's business....
That I have to explain this to the national organizations of NARAL and Planned Parenthood -- AGAIN -- is beyond irritating. And that's something else that I will not forget -- you can bet on it.
A woman who has been raped suffers intense emotional and physical trauma, is often drugged, beaten, stabbed, shot, physically brutalized, and often left for dead. (And I say this having dealt with these types of cases in my criminal legal practice.) That Joe Lieberman would have so little compassion for these women that he would toss off a remark like he did -- just get up from the hospital and take a short ride or walk to another one (never mind that it is not a short walk after all) -- is appalling enough.
But when you add in the emotional indignity and the physical discomfort of a pelvic examination in the wake of a rape at the hospital, the trauma of having to give the police all the details as you relive the rape step by step, the evidentiary rape kit swabbing that is both invasive and humiliating, and having to confront your family and friends, some of whom are often less than supportive to some women...sure, just get right up off the hospital gurney and hail a cab or take a hike.
Did I mention that violent rapists are also like to rob you blind after they soil your body? So, hopefully you've tucked away some cab fare in a secret stash somewhere, because your money, your credit cards, your ATM card, and your car keys are more than likely long gone, honey. Or maybe your vaginal tearing and bruises aren't so bad that walking won't be too uncomfortable -- and hopefully your rapist has left you with some clothes intact, because those hospital gowns can be a little breezy, especially in New England in the wintertime.
You ask why Jane or I find this rationale on the part of Lieberman, NARAL and Planned Parenthood so appalling? That's why. I'm pissed. And someone had better damn well not tell me to calm down about this, because this is going to be on a high boil for a long, long time.
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Thank you, Christy. Brava.
Gonna repost this… sorry, but I think it’s key:
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If I may make a suggestion: the trick is to get any protests of NARAL and Planned Parenthood onto Connecticut TV, and into Connecticut newspapers.
Reason: they can’t report the story, without retelling the tale of “rape gurney Joe”. It’s my contention that Joe’s infamous quote and position on the emergency contraception issue are still not widespread and well-known (except within the friendly Left Blogosphere).
And that if they are, this will eat all the oxygen in Lieberman’s campaign until at least the August primary (likely, beyond), and fatally damage him with women voters.
Currently, CT women, by and large, are okay with Joe… because, by and large, they don’t even know about his outrageous dismissal of their well-being.
So… MAKE THEM KNOW.
Also: am I wrong, but is the Lamont campaign not making hay out of the CONFLICT OF INTEREST in Hadassah Lieberman’s lobbying for Big Pharma? Is the Lamont campaign passing THIS out all over CT, and if not, WHY NOT?:
http://www.observer.com/200607.....cs_joecona son.asp
That’s two zeds, one last night and one just now. Got the screen shots to prove it.
Now to read…
Maybe I’m being blind, but has NARAL or PP ever actually acknowledged Lieberman saying the things he did about taking a “short drive”? I can’t really decide what’s worse…acknowledging he said that and still endorsing him, or just refusing to acknowledge he said it at all…
Amen, Christy. A brave and inspirational post. Thank you.
In case you’re wondering, Lieberman’s remark made me just as angry. I can’t be the only male out here who feels that way, either. And no, I’m not a father. I don’t have to be, in order to empathize with rape victims.
Lieberman is an empty ghoul with a husk for a soul. The awful thing is, he’s not alone, not by a loooooooong shot.
Wow. Heartbreaking.
Christy, thanks for making this real and painful for folks that don’t have the experience or depth of understanding of this type of tragedy.
Go do something fun for yourself. You’ve earned it.
Joe should be forced to read this.
T-8 — yes, Joe should be forced to read this.
thank you Christy
Thank you, Christy.
Christy, thank you for your courage in telling your story. The incumbent class in DC–and I include the nonprofit leadership in with the politicians and the media–are all holding on desperately to the blinders over their eyes trying to pretend real people…real constituents, real voters…are not out here smoldering and preparing to roll over the patterns of the past.
In a similar vein, from Kurtz’s column:
What sets the blogosphere and the progressive movement apart is, we’re not hesitating. We’re the rising tide.
God bless you forever, Christy Hardin Smith. Amen.
Thanks for this post, Christy. Every word of it rings true to me, especially the part about how there is nobody among us who speaks for God, or who has any business telling a helpless victim of a grotesque crime what further anguish they should go through because our own dogmatism, or armchair piety. Neither the state, nor the church, nor any man shall ever own my daughters’ bodies.
On the Lieberman issue: The neo-cons and Pro-Israel gang have found a well of support in the Catholic community. Tragically, each side is only really helpful in promoting the most misguided goals of the other. Dogma isn’t going to solve any of our problems today, any more than it ever has.
peace,
jim
Christy - wow. your strength shines through.
so much trouble in the world.
Joe should be forced to read this.
Yes. Repeatedly. Every damn day until it sinks in. And if it never does, then he can read this every damn day for the rest of his life. A very small price to pay for the suffering he’s so willing to inflict on rape victims.
Christy, thanks for saying that so clearly. I wrote to Naral and Planned Parenthood yesterday and told them that any organization purporting to be pro choice who supports Joe Lieberman obviously does not need my support.
John from el Norte 8
In case you’re wondering, Lieberman’s remark made me just as angry. I can’t be the only male out here who feels that way, either…
You’re not.
Barry at 3 -
Perfect!
This idea applies serious pressure to NARAL and PP and discloses their failure to stand up for women’s rights - which is important.
Simultaneously, it makes clear WHY Lieberman is an inferior candidate to Ned Lamont on reproductive choice.
If we protest NARAL and PP, the media will be forced to cover the facts about Lieberman. It is almost impossible that they could cover large scale protests of these groups without pointing out exactly WHY the protests are taking place - which is for only one reason.
They have supported a candidate who takes positions opposed to a woman’s right to choose.
Brilliant. Hopefully we will see protests and publicity soon!
Christy, I remember your original posts on this topic and the powerful waves of responses from everyone. Thank you for always putting forward your integrity and your principles. I’m grateful for your voice and the light you shine on this for all of us. It is very painful forever.
At ground zero of this issue: A blastocyst has SUPERIOR moral and Constitutional value and rights relative to those of a woman?
Right.
These people can stick their narcissistic clean-hands moralism up their asses. That those such as PP and NARAL have chosen to abet them in pursuit of cheap political expediency is abominable.
That could not have been easy to write. Thank you. I suggest people print up this post and enclose it in the return envelope the next time PP or NARAL ask for a donation.
Guess I’ll be waiting for the next elevator car from now on.
Would’ve been nice to meet you, Redd.
Christy, thanks for your post. I hope that you have laid your “eternal shame” at not having spoken out to rest. You’ve certainly more than made up for that small failing–if you want to call it so. Many of us have similar stories about not speaking out about something really important. Many don’t work as hard as you do to make the world a better place.
Christy, thank you again for a powerful post!
Colin McEnroe said it well starting back on March 19th.
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Wow. You’ve got a woman who has been raped. She’s shattered, shivering, sobbing, frightened. It’s 3 a.m. She just spent hours at St. Somebody for the humiliating and invasive process of evidence collection. Now you’re going to hustle her into a cab or shuttle bus to go somewhere else and get a pill that would keep her from bearing the rapist’s child because you can’t stand to prick the conscience of a hospital administrator?
That’s taking better care of the administrator than of the rape victim. And the former is generally having a better day than the latter.
It’s not even axiomatic that the hospital wants this help. Archbishop Henry Mansell of Hartford tightened the rules against emergency contraception for rape victims a few months ago. Catholic hospitals in Connecticut now are stricter than their counterparts in some neighboring states. The people who work at the hospital may be a lot more comfortable helping a rape victim avoid pregnancy. It’s really the archbishop we’re lavishing care on.
http://www.courant.com/news/lo.....0087.story
Outstanding post Redd. I wonder, where does the big money come from that funds these organizations. It would seem to me if we target those individuals or organizations that are their major source of funding, they would pay attention pretty quick. Kind of like the old joke about Kermit the Frog and a green ball in each hand.
Uh, though I hesitate to go off-topic in this thread, I know many here are concerned for Barbaro . . .
Christy: Not only your strength shines. Your passion is calling out loud and clear. Bless you, honey, for giving it voice.
Lieberman apparently don’t have the ability to empathize with anyone who doesn’t hold some reins. Or isn’t him. Isn’t it so sad that he’s being challenged? Oh, boohoo.
I never wish bad things on anyone, but it’s a truism that conservatives never care about an issue until it happens to them, and then they wail that it’s the worst thing that ever happened to anyone, ever. So, somehow, without wishing an innocent person ill, my wish for Boltin’ Joe is that he must wail.
High boil, Christy.
What Joe doesn’t get (I mean “among the things Joe doesn’t get”) is the incredible shame heaped on girls/women when they’re raped…
I’m very close to my sister, and I found out last year that she was raped by a cousin of ours… in 1981! it took her that long to be able to speak it.
…Walk to the next hospital… what a jerk.
Say, maybe there’s a publicity event in that - Get groups of voters to walk among the hospitals of connecticut and invite Joe (and every media outlet in the state) to come along.
What an incredible post! I LOVE your righteous fury. Don’t allow it to abate for one second.
Women have been let down by these organizations for years I’m afraid. Imagine what the NRA would do. Now realize how ineffective NARAL has become.
The fight to sway public opinion and create legislative progress is being lost on a daily basis.
NARAL and PP may have noble intentions, but their list of acheivements since 1980 is negligible. My money will only go to PP Local and NOW.
Now, and I’ll get flamed for this, but what the fuck is wrong with women?!?!?! I am researching further, but Mary’s excellent thread on Satuday pointed out that ONLY 51%/55% of SINGLE/MARRIED WOMEN SUPPORT CHOICE.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-184457
WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THAT? That number should be 80% (all but the Bush base). The women’s groups and choice groups are LOSING THE DEBATE.
And for a generation, WOMEN HAVE NOT BEEN HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE. A whole generation is living the dream our parents fought for, and letting it slip away. 140,000,000 women in America, and Urban Pirate, a 37 yo white male is more pissed off than most of them.
It blows me away.
*** End Rant
I’m glad you and Jane are, Christy. I respect you so much. Proud to be FireDogLike.
Thank you for sharing. It scares me just to read it. I’m sending it on to my friends.
And, by the way, Lieberman is more than entitled to have his own opinions on this issue. Just as I, and my fellow progressives in the state of Connecticut, are more than allowed to have our own opinions — including thinking that he is wrong and doing something to get him out of office. That’s called living in a representative democracy and a legal primary process.
Joe Lieberman represents a liberal blue state — and his views on choice do not even come close to matching 70% of his statewide constituency — both democrats AND republicans (even among Catholics of both parties). Welcome to the world in which your constituents’ preferences actually mean something for once.
Thank you, Christy. You are brave. May Joe Lieberman be forced to take a short ride to the unemployment line.
Christy said “And I know enough to know this: I don’t speak for God, and neither should anyone else. That’s why it is an individual choice — you make peace with your own soul, your own faith and your own family and friends based on your own, individual and hideous circumstances in each case — and beyond that, it’s no one’s business….”
This should be repeated over and over again until every elected official ‘gets it’. Individual circumstances are different. No one, and I mean NO ONE should make that decision for ME.
Sticky at 29 -
“Say, maybe there’s a publicity event in that - Get groups of voters to walk among the hospitals of connecticut and invite Joe (and every media outlet in the state) to come along.”
GREAT idea! Combine it with the idea of Barry at 3 above (it is a must-read post).
- Make it a protest against NARAL and PP for endorsing Joe.
- The protest can be a hospital walk for rape victims, beginning at a Catholic hospital and winding its way to and from other hospitals that provide emergency contraception.
- The protest should be extremely civil and solemn, with signs and banners doing the speaking.
No loud chants - just a somber march on behalf of rape victims who would be harmed by Lieberman’s callous and hurtful policies, which NARAL and PP apparently support.
It is time to show how unprincipled and deeply immoral Joe Lieberman truly is.
Brave an inspirational, indeed. Not to mention, touching that diamond hard, well pressured rage in the pit of my gut that fuels my activism, even my most hope-filled activism.
Has anyone asked PP and NARAL why they are endrsing Joschmo? Be interesting to hear their answer. And why are they endorsing for the primary? We don’t even endorse primary candidates.
Makes me wonder if women in Connecticut are asleep at the wheel not to raise hell about this endorsement.
All very VERY fishy.
Christy, thank you.
Christy,that post really needs to be front and center of any discussion of this issue.The shame,embarassment and often negative responses of family and friends is why so many women carry a rape with them their whole lives and never tell a soul.I’ve never understood this,the woman who was raped isn’t the criminal.
This isn’t just a “woman’s issue”damnit,it’s a civil rights issue.What kind of country punishes rape victims? That’s not healthy for anyone,no matter what their gender.
Christy
The word you are after is not archaic, which merely means old or old fashioned, but medieval which implies more of an unenlightened, brutal, middle ages sort of mindset. It is also a more apt general description of the theocratic right, which longs to bring back torture, witch hunts and feudalism with its consequent subservient peonage and oppression of women.
Thank you for telling your story. My wife, thankfully, was never raped. However she had a close call in an apartment house basement laundry room which was only thwarted by the lucky and timely entrance of another tenant which caused the would be attacker to flee. Still, 25 years later, she has a palpable fear of such lonely places and it is an incident never to be forgotten. Had not that stranger so fortunately appeared I can only speculate how deep the scars would be.
It is utterly reprehensible that Lieberman would place his self serving pandering to the religious prejudices of others over the care, health and comfort of a victim of a violent crime. What a lowlife piece of crap he is. This story must become familiar to every Connecticut resident and every member if PP and NARAL.
sticky and wxyz– they could start at St. Rape’s
(Hospital of St Raphael) and end at Yale.
In the lovely town of New Haven.
How can we who are not in CT best help with this march?
Jan 10:38 a.m.
“Has anyone asked PP and NARAL why they are endrsing Joschmo?”
What has been said here is that they rate incumbents based on score cards of selected votes, and that Lieberman did well on their scorecards.
Apparently their scorecards don’t give much if any weight to something like Lieberman’s vote in support of cloture, which ended the filibuster of Alito’s nomination, which guaranteed his confirmation. Nor, I would guess, do their scorecards take into account things like Joe’s incredibly insensitive statement about women who are victims of rape.
I suspect, as others have said, that their real reason is to maintain their cozy Beltway relationships with incumbent Senators. NARAL did not even consider endorsing Lamont. Others have suggested they don’t even want to prevail on Congressional actions regarding choice, as that might stop the flow of donations to their coffers.
Sicky, WXYZ, and Angie,
I think that’s a GREAT idea. I’ve never organized anything like that, but with some help I’d be willing to give it a try.
I’m in NY, but close enough - about 4 hours fron New Haven.
Angie, could you send me an email? Montauk190 at aol.com
Does anyone know if Lieberman’s wife is pro-choice? When I was at Yale, I knew several women at their synagogue and they were quietly pro-choice although they were nominally orthodox Jews. If Mrs. L is supportive of NARAL’s mission, maybe that would explain NARAL’s inexplicable endorsement…although this is still a stretch given Ned’s overt stance. I remain confused by groups that forget their mission and I’m not pro-choice … so I can imagine how confusing this whole scenario is to people who are.
Barbara Boxer needs to read this.
Thank you, Christy and Jane — for the intelligence, passion, and righteous indignation you put into all of your work.
Thank you so much, Christy. I’ve been a life-long PP and NARAL
supporter and my email to them about my sadness and pain for their
action to support Lieberman asks them to cancel my memberships and
to not ask me for anymore money. I have pledged to support only
candidates who are against the Iraq War (Voters for Peace). lthough
they (Naral) sent a rapid response with their rationale, I will stick to my
decision.
I read Firedoglake 2-3 times a day and am a lurker only, but this issue
makes my blood boil.
angry broad @40
Lieberman has no moral issues with the Bush/Cheney rape of Iraq…thinks thats ok also…
Could you imagine the NRA endorsing a candidate that supports a community that prohibits the sale of firearms and wants strict gun control because you can always take a short ride and get a gun somewhere else? I didn’t think so.
What the fuck is the matter with these people?
Christy, great post - poignant and spot on.
As others have said above - the money trail has to be a factor in this.
Let me continue to second the rising applaud of support to Christy for her fine post.
Thanks Ms. Smith.
Christy, thank you for your powerful post.
I will print this out to mail to NARAL and PP. I get their mailings.
Urban Pirate @ 31:
What IS wrong with women? All I can think is a blend of self-righteousness (it won’t happen to me because I live right), thinking it hardly ever happens… I don’t know, but it drives me up a wall, too.
I remember seeing the pictures of the cut-up babies when I was a freshman at Georgetown U. Georgetown’s Right-To-Life group had a strong presence, and I was alarmed at the pictures. I went through a period of, “That just isn’t RIGHT!” I hadn’t put myself yet in the woman’s shoes. I was reacting to the pictures, and also approaching it from a “Geez, I want a baby, or 12 of them, so much that why would you DO that?” I was an ungelled little dummy, but I grew out of it. Hard to stomach the idea that 50% of the women I see are seeing things just from the blastocyst’s point of view. (Seeing as the pictures I saw may not live-fetus abortions anyway.)
Urban Pirate at 10:29 am
Hmmm. WHat’s wrong with women? No one WANTS to have an abortion. Even if you are pro-choice, the decision to terminate a pregnancy comes at the cost of many sleepless nights.
The young women of today have grown up with the right shouting in their faces that choice is not acceptable. It’s hard enough to think about it when one is a nurturing, loving, life-affirming person, as woman generally are. My generation fought our way through the women’s lib movement and had support from many segments of society. All that has changed since the right got proactive.
Personally, I give thanks every day that my son’s birthmother never seriously considered abortion. To look into his eyes at any given moment is, for me, to see God. That said, had I become pregnant when I was younger from my worst encounter, I wouldn’t have hesitated to go to Planned Parenthood. I shudder to think where Boltin’ Joe’s idea of compassion would have left me psychologically if I had been raped in Connecticut.
This issue is another illustration of what John Dean talked about - the authoritarian personality vs. the rest of us. The authoritarian right insists we all fall into lock step; the rest of us want a choice in the matter - any matter. We’ve been too silent about it for too long.
Christy, or Pach, I’d love a post about the gist of Dean’s comments, especially the part about understanding the psychology in order to effectively counter it. I think Dean’s book is huge in this regard and explains a lot about the last 10 years. I’m actually hopeful that there is something we can do about them now.
In prepetual catch-up mode again, but the last two posts, especially junxtaposed the way they are, bring to mind the old aphorism about law-making being like sausage-making: even if you like the results, you don’t want to see how they’re obtained.
So Joe’s become the ultimate pol: he’s still playing the game, I suspect because to stop would be to admit that he’s had his day and that it’s somebody else’s turn. If he ever had a reason beyond himself to enter the public arena, there’s no sign of it now.
And then there’s NARAL. I agree with EPU’s take. It’s now become the fundraising equivalent of a balck hole: the gravitational pull of its own internal interest is so strong that no light can escape.
Ditto the DLC Dems.
Speaking of microcosms, as wxyz and Jane did on the earlier thread, I still say that all of this is a part of the death and renewal of liberal politics. The end-stage decadence that values ritualized style over substance has been creating more and more dysfunction and actually cooperating in the destruction of social value.
What follows is that the barbarians move in to purge the degeneracy and restore the vigor. I don’t know if Crashing the Gate was named with this exact metaphor in mind, but I also believe that, from Kos to Ned, the disdainful hostility that we’re encountering is a natural response by the royalists. Apparently we’re Huns just itching to sack their Shining City on the Hill. Somebody might want to let them know that the shine’s pretty much given way to tarnish.
Heads up, S. FLA Firedogs, here’s something to do in solidarity with our CT contingent:
Make sure Dodd gets a copy of this post right in his hot little hand next Saturday!
OTropic — and go easy on the messenger here folks:
Wayne Madson [insert cautionary note(s)] has thrown down the gauntlet that I think really needs to be responded to. The reality he paints mimics the brush strokes of the reality we’ve become used to, but shows, in the end, a totally different, ghastly even, portraiture.
Redd, Jane, EW, Swopa, Jeralyn, Jeff, McGuire, et al., it seems to me, must respond to the totally different version of Fitz presented here by Madsen.
FWIW — I think it’s a real “Say it ain’t so…” moment.
Fitzgerald: Over his head and folding like a two dollar suitcase.
It is clear that Fitzgerald, who was politically appointed by the Bush administration as the U.S. Attorney for Northern Illinois in 2001 and, therefore, had to pass a litmus test administered by the most extreme right-wing administration in the history of the nation, has politically manipulated the investigation of the CIA leak by dragging out the process with endless motions; sidebars with judges; questionable meetings with Bush’s, Rove’s, Libby’s, and Cheney’s attorneys; and the failure to nail Libby with Espionage Act violations.
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Bumper sticker on my car -
Pro-child
Pro-family
Pro-CHOICE.
Christy said it perfectly (as usual)
“And I know enough to know this: I don’t speak for God, and neither should anyone else. That’s why it is an individual choice — you make peace with your own soul, your own faith and your own family and friends based on your own, individual and hideous circumstances in each case — and beyond that, it’s no one’s business….”
Having been at the process for something over a quarter century, do the Beltway Dems have anything left to sell out?
Christy, great and moving post. I just wanted to add that the type of rape that Christy describes and is so often the subject of criminal cases — the violent stranger rape — is a very very small fraction of rapes perpetrated every day. Acquaintance rapes and date rapes, particularly, are said to make victims out of one in nine women in America. One in nine.
And it is generally the victims of acquaintance rapes who will need — and will seek — emergency contraception after the assault. In a State like Connecticut, with so many Universities, the problem (like in Massachusetts) is epidemic. As someone said upthread, you don’t need to be a woman or a father of a daughter or even a brother of a sister to see the cruelty in Lieberman’s comments. You just need to be human.
FWIW — I think it’s a real “Say it ain’t so…” moment.
It ain’t so. Thank you for your concern about our opinions.
Christy, I have said it before and will say it again…..We are all so LUCKY to have you in our lives……….Even if it is only on the net…You are simply GREAT!
How bad can it get? I wonder how many generations will pass before we see honor killings here in our own country become acceptable and commonplace.
Christy….thiw was a very powerful post.
Franco, did you see my 56 ^ , and can you spread the word locally?
al-Scooter asked: “do the Beltway Dems have anything left to sell out?”
I understand that some of them want to be able to let the Republican party also use the words “Democrat” and “Democratic” when seeking funds for campaigns….
Strike them down…No mercy.
Respect, CHS.
I’m in Brooklyn, so I’m only a train-ride away from New Haven. I can make it. Weekends are best.
Maybe we can have in on one of those “hot August days” that Joe finds so crippling to Democrats.
Thank you CHS. That is one powerful response to the
Roger Simons and other assorted clowns out there.
J i O #57:
So who should I believe, people like LHP who’ve seen Fitzgerald work up close, or Wayne Madsen, who runs a tabloid website?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Mommybrain - you put so much better than I did what might be driving women. Indeed, anytime I proclaim prochoiceness, I feel the jolt of panic that the person who hears it thinks I’m a heartless baby-killer. A Medea. A monster. Because it IS a horrible choice to have, and to have to make. But it is a much better world where we have the choice.
That is where again and again the anti-choicers keep taking the battle is that they get to call themselves pro-life, while we’re pro-choice. But the word “life” has so much more simple power than “choice.” Even if a life without choices is hardly worth living.
The right hardly make choosing to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term a bed of roses, and giving up a fully-formed baby (as opposed to an embryo) is flat-out brutal. A friend of mine did, and she was never the same. Depressed afterwards, and ultimately died of self-neglect. Everyone who knew her claims the downward spiral came after giving him up. But she couldn’t take care of him. A few months before she died, she gave me a picture of the baby to keep. The baby would have been about 12 at that time.
She did this because I’d married the father of the baby, and had expressed to her that I was ready to welcome him if he ever found his birth father. She wanted to tell me all about what the adoptive family had written about him before their year was up. They stopped writing to her when they were no longer “obligated.” It broke her heart. Damn them, and anyone who treats giving up a fully-developed newborn for adoption as not incredibly hellish.
Christy - what an awesome post. Thanks.
Someone on a previous thread mentioned talking to a NARAL spokeperson or caller about Alito, and being told that they only get into fights they can win. If anyone here gets a chance at a similar conversation, ask why they’re endorsing a man who made the fight unwinnable by refusing to filibuster any nominee, no matter how extreme.
That is the only reason the Alito fight became unwinnable.
Christy, that was a very moving post, on so many levels, it just blows me away. I think we are all struggling with anger, sadness, fear and frustration about all the things that are wrong with the Lieberman situation, with NARAL and Planned Parenthood’s roll-over, with the South Dakota referendum - and let’s not forget Louisiana Democrat Governor Blanco, who rolled over when she signed her legislature’s antediluvian statute on abortion.
With great apologies to all the enlightened men out there, who recognize that, as men, it is difficult to stand in the shoes of a woman who is raped, I am tired of men in positions of power disregarding their inability to walk in our shoes, and proposing and lobbying and fighting for laws that deny us the right to make our own decisions and to have access to the highest quality health care available.
Contrary to some people’s opinions, no woman asks to be raped. No woman asks to be brutalized. Having been brutalized, the trauma does not end in the emergency room or the doctor’s office. Having to have expose yourself to strangers for a medical examination after a rape is no less traumatic just because those people are there to help you, which is one reason many women do not seek medical attention. Having subjected herself to examination for the one time she thought she could stand it, how many women would subject themselves to it again, if they had to go to another hospital to get the Plan B that should be offered without question no matter whose hospital ER she shows up in?
Joe Lieberman exposed in one offhand and casual remark, a universe of ignorance that should prevent any woman from placing her trust in his ability to be an effective advocate for women’s interests, and women’s health issues.
I suspect that if you know anyone who’s working on the front lines in Planned Parenthood clinics all over the country, and ask what they think of the endorsement, you might see the disconnect between executives who sit in offices and those who deal with the stark reality that plays out in examining rooms every day.
This makes me so angry, I have to stop here.
You go woman! Never stop fighting for us! You make we all teary eyed!
Big Hug from New Orleans.
Sticky, please send me an email. If this is to be done it needs to be in the next 2 weeks - before the primary.
The messenger so far has taken two shots for the message.
Ouch. Ouch.
I will not defend Madsen except to say that his origins appear to be with a close association with the NSA. That alone separates him from the trashing ordinary “tabloid” status usually obtains.
Please, no more pot shots at the messenger. Dismiss as you choose, but don’t shoot at me.
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OT…anyone else having refresh comments issues?…..cannot seem to get past #40
larry
Larry, try reloading the entire page; that sometimes does it.
I have no facts or figures to back this up, but in my personal experience it is the late teens and early 20s women who are the victims of rape – the very women who can’t afford Holy Joe’s trip to another hospital.
Christy, Thank you so much for this post. High boil, absolutely, until all the Vichy dems who stabbed us in the back over Alito are sent packing. I will never forgive them, ever. Not another cent to NARAL or PP.
I’d love to participate in a march in CT. I’m right next door in MA.
JiO — sorry, I don’t see that anyone took any “shots” at you as the messanger at all. It was the substance that was dismissed out of hand by me and was countered by al-Scooter. No complaints at all about you. Your sense of victimization is too highly developed, I think.
Birdman, you’re simply wrong about that. Rapes of infants and women in their 90’s occur daily in this country.
Does anyone know which hospital Joe was “defending” with his infamous statement?
Urban Pirate @ 75 - you’ve been sticky’d!
any New Haven march permit experts on this board?
Could we get Christy or Jane or someone to summarize exactly what Joe said in his “short walk” comment and provide the full context in which his remarks were given.
If there is going to be a march, everyone involved should be completely and accurately informed.
Perhaps there should be a fact sheet created that describes exactly, in specifics and in non-emotional language - how Joe defended the policy of our tax dollars going to hospitals that deny emergency contraception to rape victims, forcing them to walk to other hospitals, or stay in treatment and run the risk of pregnancy and the necessity of an abortion.
This is a classic example of what happens to PC politics when it gets all knotted up in itself and forgets the big picture, or the ordinary women out there that it originally set out to help.
Christy, this is a powerful — and so profoundly dignified — piece of writing by you. Hugs to you and toddler.
OT:
also on huffpo
source:
Putin takes swipe at Cheney over criticisms
Russian president tells NBC that VP was on ‘an unsuccessful hunting shot’
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12355000/
Putin is a Bush equivlent tyrant - but sometimes I wish the good guys would punch with lines like that.
CAVEAT!
If there is a movement to protest NARAL and Planned Parenthood, and get subesquent ink and pixels on it… whatever happens, work the refs!
DO NOT let them write the movement off as “abortion protestors”, which I don’t have to tell you, the media will be all too happy to do. I can see the TV anchors now, reading a dismissive paragraph about “abortion protestors at a clinic in Hartford”, over 10 seconds of silent footage. NO.
Lay the groundwork… before the fact, go on this Colin McEnroe fella’s show, whatever… make it clear that these are PRO-CHOICE SUPPORTERS PROTESTING PRO-CHOICE GROUPS.
I remember when the “Dean scream” was TV’s only message of a 24-hour news day cycle. If we can get even half of that coverage as the CT MSM’s subject of the day, this changes everything.
It’s like I tried to say earlier. In even the shoddiest of journalism (and it’s a lock that we are living trough the Golden Era of Shoddy Journalism), you get to “why” a mere three steps into “Who, What, Why…”
Once that “why” kicks-in, I firmly believe that Lieberman is toast with the ladies of the Nutmeg State.
OT- These Enron scoundrels are dropping like flies:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/arti.....221D75.DTL
let’s take the good news where we can get it (at DKos):
Birdman - I’m not sure where you get your statistics from, but women and girls of all ages are raped every single day in this country. Last week, our local news reported that a woman in her 50’s was raped in her home by someone who had targeted her for being a neighborhood activist and trying to clean up the drug activity in their park! Last month a woman in her 80’s was raped and her husband (also in his 80’s) was killed by intruders who were robbing their house.
Christy - I’ve spent the morning on the phone with Seattle office of NARAL, and have left messages for Planned Parenthood. I also just spoke briefly to the exec. director of NARAL Pro-Choice Connecticut, but she’s calling me back later to have a real conversation because she was rushing to a press briefing! (Wonder what the press briefing’s all about…)I’ll email you later with the results of the call.
But one thing I found out from the Seattle office is that the local and state offices are not “chapters” of the nat’l office, but “affiliates”. I’m trying to nail them down on exactly what that means, but apparently the locals get no funding from national. They do receive some money (similar to a grant) for sex ed. Other than that, there does not seem to be any relationship. The Seattle office told me that the national office doesn’t even call itself NARAL anymore. I pointed out that their website says NARAL Pro-Choice right on top of the page, and she said that nat’l only uses the words “Pro-Choice” on their letterhead, and that they are basically two separate entities. I think this needs to be investigated further because most citizens, myself included, assume that NARAL means NARAL and that they are in the same organization.
Lotus 82 - they do, however a DOJ study in 1998 found the following
22% were under the age of twelve
54% were under the age of eighteen
83% were under the age of twenty-five
OT: Spent the morning at the dentist so I’m a couple of threads behind.
Reading the Halliburton thread caused me to wonder if the phase-out of KBR and opening up to some kind of competition doesn’t have something to do with NATO or some other multi-national conglomeration bailing us out of Iraq.
It’s long been said that one reason France and Germany weren’t interested in helping us out in Iraq was that we denied them any rebuilding contracts.
Perhaps there have been some negotiations that have as a premise that these countries will help us rebuild Iraq and help get us out of there if companies from those countries are allowed to bid on the big contracts there.
Naturally, the DC crowd wouldn’t tie the change in contract policy to a demand from, say, France, for God’s sake, but would pretend it’s Bushco’s idea. (Nuh, uh! I was going to do that anyway!)
That could be the reason for the sudden shift on the Geneva Conventions, too.
I can see our allies saying, “Look, will help you get out if this mess, but only if you abide by Geneva and open up the contracts to other countries.”
I’m not married to this idea, but it did pop into my consciousness as I read that thread.
Um, Birdman — from today’s New Haven Register:
Minister denies raping 11-year-old
Associated Press July 12, 2006
-HARTFORD — A Pentecostal minister accused of fathering the child of an 11-year-old member of his congregation pleaded innocent Tuesday to rape charges.
Superior Court Judge Thomas Miano set bond at $750,000 for Modesto Reyes and ordered him to have no contact with the victim or her family. …
To the Beltway Dems, NARAL and Planned Parenthood: Never compromise with fanatics. You’ll move, they won’t. If you think they’ve moved, you’re wrong.
To hospital administrators and pharmicists: Don’t let your bad theology get in the way of the patient’s health. Or, maybe when *you* get sick, they’ll send you to a Christian Scientist.
To Joe Lieberman: Get a grip. You’re self- destructing.
To the “hospital walkers”: Carry a bent coat hanger.
Barry at 88 - also we need to make clear that we are pro-choice and Lieberman is actually anti-emergency-contraception!
Lieberman isn’t just curtailing the right to choose.
Think about it.
Lieberman’s quote is actually saying that women shouldn’t have the right at certain hospitals that receive government funding to get contraception that would actually help them to AVOID an abortion.
immanentize, and by proxie al-Scooter,
Given the predatory mendacity of the current administration I have learned the sorriest of lessons that to dismiss anything out of hand from them, no matter how outrageous, is a serious mistake.
Madsen presents, as I said, the same brush strokes that yeild a different picture. A picture where the guy we think really has a white hat is just playing pretend.
Truly we dip our toes into the deep waters of blackest conspiricy if we acknowledge even the possibility that what Madsen says is true.
My question simply is, “Given the plenitude of manifold lies we’ve been told, what basis is there to believe otherwise of this executive branch, no matter how much we want to?”
With this outfit, isn’t it true that we are obligated to consider the worst? What Madsen suggests truly is the worst. And that alone makes it worthy of a full-on response. Not mere dismissal.
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wxyz at 85 — Does this help?
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....nnecticut/
Birdman - your statistics add up to 159%. I know you mean well, but please take your head out of the sand. The majority of rapes that occur ARE NOT REPORTED.
I think that the Birdman’s only point was that the preponderance of the women poorly-served by Joe’s taxicab suggestion are very young women. He was sensitively pointing out an additional aspect of what make’s Lieberman’s suggestion so callous.