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I saw this link via Howie's Down with Tyranny blog, and I had to check it out. Oh man...I am SO glad that I did.
Alternet has found a re-mix of the Ted Stevens ramble from last week -- some enterprising person has set it to music.
Can't...stop...laughing...Mwahahahahahahahahahaha...
And there is even more fun from SavetheInternet.com.
PS -- If that doesn't make you giggle, try Wolcott. *snerk* (Oh man, I needed that!)
PPS -- If laughter isn't your thing this afternoon, the Hamdan hearings will begin anew in the Senate Judiciary Committee at 2:15 pm ET on C-Span3. And Crooks and Liars has a fantastic clip from John Dean's appearance on Olberman last night that is great viewing.
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Ned
NetNeutrality!
I second that!
or third… whatever
holy crap that’s funny
twolf1 at 5 — I know. I’m still laughing. hehehehehe
Christy - “…some enterprising person has set it to music.”
How soon will it be going down the tubes?(g)
OT–Eugene Robinson is doing a bang-up job over at the Wapo in his chat, imho.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00910.html
OT
I wasnt’ ready for a new thread to pop up; was just scanning H. Courant for info about Ned v. NoJo and found this (name struck, cuz someone mentioned them in ref to the DE Joe train trouble yesterday, not appearing at the Irish bar):
http://www.ctnow.com/music/rev.....ertainment
Dropkick Murphys playing Toad’s Place tomorrow night. New Haven. Boston Irish punkers (I think?).
Thought Jane, and/or other FDL folk might enjoy.
…all it was missing was the “NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO” sound clip
Anyone sent a link to the offices of the Senior Senator from Alaska? The staff might get a kick out of it, especially the person who briefed (or didn’t) the senator on net neutrality, just before he made the remarks in question.
Of course, they might want to wait until the distinguished gentleman is not around the office . . . too much laughter might be hazardous to one’s employment.
EPU’d:
Maybe Biden saw the “bumper sticker” ad and thought HE was unwelcome in Connecticut. Remember, it’s all about ME in joebidenworld!
That would make him miss his train, wouldn’t it?
That first segment on Countdown last night, with Olbermann interviewing Dean, left me with goosebumps and an awful, oh-shit-is-this-really-happening-to-us sinking feeling in my gut.
Methinks it will get much, much worse before it can get better.
-GFO
… last night, Countdown may have changed the future of America, in the same way Edward R. Murrow once did. Keith, don’t stop now!
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Keith Olbermann gets a nice write up today.
NYTimes.
MSNBC’s Star Carves Anti-Fox Niche
What’s up with the stars on this flag?
Hadn’t seen that before.
Would this be a treasonous felony under the democracy-saving-flag-burning constitutional amendment?
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.....ly_028.jpg
heh. reminds me of this:
Re: John dean on KO
Paraphrasing:
We’re not on a fascist path YET, but we are periloulsy close to it?
Coming from a guy with his stature and who does not tend to speak in hyperbole,
well, wow.
RIP Syd Barrett
:(
Nice punaise! I just got the rerelease of that CD. The website for it is great, too.
WOW
Did anybody cath this yet?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI.....index.html
angie 8 - re Wapo blogging, this jumped out at me:
Stevens vs. Byrd in The Daily Show’s “Coot Off”
watch it here. It’s an oldie but goodie
yessirree, punaise, a good one!
sides. hurt. OMG.
Tubes!
Roots!
Dover Bitch
I just got the rerelease of that CD. The website for it is great, too.
Got to put that on my list. recent acquisitions haven’t bowled me over upon initial listening:
Elvis Costello and Allen Toussaint - The River in Reverse
Chili Peppers - Stadium Arcadium
say, angie, you’re not from Dorchester, MA are you?
looks like the tubes are clogged at Stevens’ office:
http://www.senate.gov/~stevens/
Oh, boy. We had a Sabrett Hot Dog party at work today and I have everyone up in the office listening to this. We are screaming, I swear. Last week I played the distinquished Senator’s speech so this post was extra special Redd!
nope, punaise. i currently reside in NH. there is one fine democrat in dorchester, though– maybe more! ;)
Did anyone catch Sam Seder at the end of his show yesterday doing his Stevens imitatation? It was one of those bits, so funny you had tears running down your face from laughter. Wish Sedar’s shows were still available via free archives…
OT-
I sure wish someone would get indicted today.
Carrying over thoughts from the previous blog–yep, it’s scramble and ketchup time again for moi–Lamont’s campaign may not be able to buy the NoMoJoe website, but it’d certainly be worth looking into licensing use of it for now thru November. Part of that phase 2 strategy….
And on a more macro level, I’ve been thinking of late about Rovian tactics, how he borrows from his mentors, like Atwater. And wondering, what if part of their strategy is push-polling the blogs…put in a few sleeper names to offer comments and become familiar until they’re really needed for psy-ops…raising worries, dampening enthusiasm, lowering expectations of the blogcommenters and donors with commentary like of course LIeberman will win in a 3-way. With apologies to Dubya, Lady L and Condi of course, because this is all hypothetical war games and all…no possibility of taliban tactics from the Rethug crowd, nosirree nohow…
Another round of “L’Etat, c’est moi” from W (LA Times via Froomkin):
As always, Bush is unable to distinguish between his personal feelings and international relations (not to mention thinking that playing frat-boy pranks on a foreign leader is somehow appropriate.) Mr. Bush, just as your deep view of Mr. Putin’s soul did not accurately teach you what sort of a leader and diplomatic partner he was, your being “comfortable” with the Italian Prime Minister says little about relations between our two countries. You know, part of your job, the stuff that affects people other than you?
I actually tried to post about Seder yesterday and the weirdest thing happened. Everytime I typed my first letter in the comment box I was redirected to a Delacroix painting. !!!
I finally gave up. :)
Since this is partly a Congress thread, and partly a video thread, this isn’t really OT, right? Have y’all seen the DCCC’s new ad? I call it Exhibit A in Why Democrats Lose.
It doesn’t totally suck; in fact, the first half, imo, is excellent. But they blow it in the second half by putting in all those shots of Rahm, Pelosi, Hoyer, and Reid. Nobody cares who these people are, outside of places like this, and it completely derails what could have been a powerful contrast between the first half of the ad and the hopeful images that ought to take up the second half.
Finally, the ad, which purports to be talking about a New Direction, ends with footage of Clinton. I get the point - the last time a Democrat was in office, things were much better. But could there be any clearer way for Democrats to signal that they don’t actually have new ideas to take us in that new direction? (Some Democrats do, of course - but that’s not the message of the ad.)
Okay, I just had to get that off my chest. End of rant.
Laura Bush (aka the Lump*) wants some of those Romano Prodi pumps
*(watertiger’s name for her?)
Prairie Sunshine 33 -
Honesty, I don’t think anyone buys into the ‘concern troll’ tactic for a minute, and it’s never been effective.
Some commenters really do have their real concerns from time to time that differ from the group and they’re not trolls, just have a different spin on it - and sometimes they get labeled unfairly, I think.
OK, that tune’s in my rotation now. Tubes!
Leslie in CA 37 - agreed, it’s like they are saying we can’t do better than bill clinton. fine to put him in the ad, it was a good presidency, but placing him at the end sends the wrong message — or they just don’t get their point across well enough.
“Dorchester.”
Kent Conrad taking on the economic “happy talk coming out of the WH.” (his words.) With “Realistic Estimate Shows Bleak Deficit Outlook.” Cspan2
Oh, and Prairie, your wonderful Sen. Dorgan went to bat for seniors this morning supporting legislation re prescription drugs bought in Canada. He gives me hope the way Feingold does.
The Ted Steven’s traveling tubes-for-rubes show. And Atlas Shrugs; is that an anagram for asshat gurls?
Ot,
Enron scandal,U.K. banker to be extradited in trial. Possibly ‘first of many’.
http://today.reuters.com/news/.....DITION.xml
Hamdan hearings are resuming on CSpan 3 which is available on streaming video
Catchy and funny- I listened to it three times.
this isn’t all that funny…because we dismissed the whole fiasco, skippy has been singled out by a neocon blog and characterized as, along with deb frisch (vs. jeff goldstein), wishing that children would die.
OT - from way back thread - I’m not caught up and probably won’t get there today. I’m in the “PPS” category today.
Teddy - yes, CIA now reports to/through Negroponte, but they get budgeted through DOD and are, I believe, technically still considered to be a part of that “Department” (Defense).
Why does DiFi always have to sound so clueless and Schumer so worthless? *s*
It will be interesting to see if anyone brings up the CSRTs this afternoon - it seems to me that Hamdan basically means they all need to be redone, unless someone wants to say we never really meant them to be a good faith effort at any damn thing after all and certaninly not a UCMJ proceeding or a Geneva Conventions sort hearing.
From what I read below, too, it sounds like there was some major fibbing going on about “everyone” there having CSRTs. I also hope someone brings up the Seton Hall study (where is Rumsfeld getting that “all al-Qaeda, all captured on battlefield as the ‘worst of the worst’ nonsense?). Also the Uighars, the Brits, etc. Hatch needs to explain the honor in kidnapping those people and torturing them, bc I just don’t get it.
I also think even the “good guys” are beside the point on why we have and need rules of law in the proceedings there. It’s not “for us” and definitely not “for them” it’s “for the truth.” It doesn’t surprise me that those guys don’t think of that as the first option, though.
Re: Fitzgerald; I think the understanding is that his 4 year is up and he has not been re-appointed but that he serves without reappointment for any period of time, until somone gets around to reappointing him or to appointing someone else, with advice and consent. If Durban and Obama aren’t on board with a change - I think it would never happen. I think he’s done a good job on a lot of things, but much as I respect lhp, the thought that he’s the touchstone for a new set of prosecutors doesn’t really make me all that happy and I personally would be very sad to see us end up with someone as AG who believes in promoting a system where all power resides in a few hands, secretly exercised and dependent upon some FBI agent somewhere sacrificing their life and family as whistleblower, often to no good end — as the form of justice this country should adopt. Or someone fighting for introduction of evidence that was likely induced by torture, based upon invocation of Judy Miller as that incorruptible surrogate FBI agent who would, of course, come clean if anything bad had been going on.
If there is no Democrat left in the whole country to serve as AG who can’t at least hold the line that Mora held, then he’s the guy they should go get, IMO.
end rant.
Blank Kludge: “Dorchester.
I had a buddy in college from there. It’s “DOOR-CHEST-ahhh”.
skippy 48 - that’s not cool. guilt by non-dis-association? except that you did dis-associate….
Hey skippy!
It sounds like the wingnuts are confused between a bush kangaroo and a dingo. One doesn’t want babies to die, the other “ate my baby.”
So easily confused, the ‘nuts.
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Prairie Sunshine at 34 said:
put in a few sleeper names to offer comments and become familiar until they’re really needed for psy-ops…raising worries, dampening enthusiasm, lowering expectations of the blogcommenters and donors with commentary like of course LIeberman will win in a 3-way…
Oh, FDL already has one of those, honey. Also add sneaking racism, anti-semitism, and sexism into the comments.
Jenny, I take your point, and I agree for the most part. Just reading the last thread today my radar started beepin’.
We NDakotans are damn proud of Dorgan, weeder.
Just saw MSNBC reporter lead into a vidclip by saying Biden interrupted witness to critize bumbling Bush…testimony that Biden more wordily rejected as why should we trust a guy who’s been so wrong on so many issues.
Bumbling Bush…got kind of a flair to it, eh?
shorter skippy, via TSF: “that dingo down so well”…
Kent Conrad, “The debt is growing geometrically in this country. Increased $551 billion last year, it’s gonna go $593 billion this year, and they’re talkin’ about a big improvement? Things are getting worse in terms of the fiscal condition of the country, not better.”
His response to Bush’s happy talk re the deficit this morning.
Now, on to cspan3…
the FDL staff of black-costumed stagehands are wary of commenters that will reflect badly on this blog or upon general rabid venomous lambiness…
OK, OK: I confess to being the the manchurian blog-idate :~)
Yes, but what about those who don’t reflect at all?
bwahahahahaha….
Jane Hamsher is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful person I have ever met in my life !
Thus *, seeking favour, extols the virtues of Her Lambiness….
I’m in pain because I have no sound. Can’t do CSpan, can’t do youtube, can’t do C&L. I put in my hearing aids but that didn’t help either.
Oh, and it’s Daaaaachestaaaaah. Remember, No R in the MA alphabet.
zennurse - there was tech advice for sound in Late Nite, round midnight I believe.
zen,
you on a mac?
Redshift at 11:06 am: He is such an embarassment! I find myself screaming at guys like him, some of whom I know, “What, are you 12?!” when they pull pranks like that.
Pammy has lost her allure for me. The first VLog was a hoot, the second a tiny titter, the one Wolcott links to - big yawn. She’s a one-trick pony, that Pammy. What a loon. The Ted Stevens Show, OTO, is a scream.
Op99 @ 53 - Oh? qui est? PS Your package is on its way to you.
Jacquat;
I’m aware. Also, it ain’t no MarbleHEAD.
Prairie Sunshine 53 -
And I take your point too. :) I know it happens, for sure…
zen—Stephen Parrish left you some geek help back a few threads this am, re your sound problems.
Jacqrat @49 - …not to be confused with WORCESTER, (pronounced WOOOO-STAH!)
:-)
no, *ilson is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful person I have ever met in my life !
And he bought up those websites. God bless him.
Wellllll,
Since this is the silly thread
Check out this pic at Roxanne’s place
and read Ben’s comment
“Oh, hey guys, didn’t see you there …”
*zip*
PS 54
Biden did what he always does, bloviate, not ask questions or if he does, not wait for answers.
That said, he did say to the Bush lawster in essence that trusting W is no longer operative. W has not gotten much of anything right so far so why should we think he will. My words, not his, but you get the drift.
Hey,
didn’t get to say this earlier–
***I am convinced that Fitz needs make public what the hell is going on with Rove & Cheney before the end of this summer and we snowball into Congressional elections. That 2003/2004 delay in the Plame investigation that let that fucking BushCo back in office really eats at me. Just some juice leaking into the MSM in mid-2004 about Scooter may have opened the gates of hell against BushCo and prevented him from winning/stealing the election! Here we are again and the general impression amongst my dumbshit neighbors is that everything is okey dokey in BushRoverVille–he is clean, didn’t Fitzgerald say that? I hear that shit and it just eats me up. I’m going to say it–if Fitz does not make some sort of noise that he is onto something horrible and make it so public that it cannot be denied as moonbat conspiracy, then HE is part of the problem! There have been opportunities missed to expose these bastards at Fitz’zss inside intelligence level that, 1)may have turned the 2004 Elections, 2) and now have led to a general belief amongst the sheep that BushRover has been cleared of wrong-doing and it’s all Scooter’s fault so “it’s safe to vote Republican” in November 2006. I want to see some pressure from the Left to make Fitz move before the end of this summer! What in hell difference is it going to make going at this pace–Scooter will be tried all thru 2007 and these bastards will just skate. I think it’s time for FDL and everyone else to start pushing at the bottom (you know, talk to our sources) and vehemently explain that what is at stake is the loss of another opportunity in November.
Had to get that off my chest.
Dan
ZenNurse 62
Have you tried restarting your computer?
Find “Restart” in the menuse at the top and click.
Sometimes that clears out the cobwebs.
Hamdan hearings - Swift is sharp….
…or clears out the tubes
Twolf 76
Right! Maybe her tubes are full of cobwebs.
After all, don’t the web browsers use spiders to crawl all through the tubes to find URL’s?
Heh, heh.
Oh such brilliance! The Ted Stevens remix goes into my iTunes library, where it can feel at home next to Chumbawamba’s Pass It Along [MP3 Mix].
Hamden hearing is over - sure seems like not much information to make big decisions on…
Thanks for the info, have done everything short of singing lullabies to it. I’ll go read Stephen’s advice, he’s going to email as well.
What a great group you are.
curve666 - Fitz is apparently not susceptible to external pressure, at least the kind we can exert. maybe he’s just doing his job.
old coastie—it always seems that they’re off for weeks at a time, and then come back to town and try to get everything (important stuff that should take more time) done at a sprint, in just a few days.
WOW~!
Did you see that on C-Span3???
Shot of black-hooded man in orangejumpsuit w/sign reading “Close Guantamamo”.
WOO!
The John Dean interview on KO is fascinating. It almost made me want to go out and buy the book - if I wasn’t three books behind on politics already, I’d probably pick it up. Crooks and Liars has the video:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....onscience/
BTW, and probably OT, there’s a story at C & L about a bunch of explosions on trains in India today. They suspect Kashmir separatists, which probably is a good guess:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....plosion_26
Ted Olsen was probably the most central player in the attempted coup d’etat against the Clinton Administration … a truly odious schemer
OT - heads up gloucester Mass. and surrounding area - funnel cloud spotted in your area - check local news and take cover
wish the hearing on this nitwit’s nomination to a judgeship were going to be televised…. he sounds like a real piece of work…
zennurse - last resort: wack it upside the hay-ed (sic)
Jacqrat 83 - they are on CNN now too
They are announcing that the Hamdan hearings that we watching on span3 today will be televised on span1 tonight at 8.
twolf1 at 41, yeah - if they had put that clip in right after “America is strong enough to change,” and then followed that with a bunch of positive images (sans DCCC leadership stills), it would have been great. Oh well.
It just strikes me that so many of these guys are just looking for ways to do to detainees what they can’t legally do to all the people in this country that they hate so: gays, pro-choicers, Mexicans, Muslims, and so on.
I think I heard someone in the hearings say something to the effect, “Well isn’t there some way we don’t have to give these people the same rights Americans have?”
That kind of talk makes my blood run cold - it sounds too much like “Isn’t there some way we don’t have to give “these” people the same rights we have to give “real” Americans?”
What’s wrong with the rights Americans have? Aren’t we supposed to be promoting democracy around the world?
Once again, I just don’t get it.
On his trip to Great Britain , George Bush had a meeting with Queen Elizabeth. He asked her, “How does one manage to run a country so smoothly?”
That’s easy,” she replied, “You surround yourself with intelligent ministers and advisors.”
“But how can I tell whether they are intelligent or not?” he inquired.
“You ask them a riddle,” she replied, and with that she pressed a
button and said, “Would you please send Tony Blair in.”
When Blair arrived, the Queen said, “I have a riddle for you to answer for me…. Your parents had a child and it was not your sister and it was not your brother. Who was this child?
Blair replied, “That’s easy. The child was I.”
Very good,” said the Queen, “You may go, now.”
So President Bush went back to Washington and called in his chief of staff, Karl Rove. He said to him, “I have a riddle for you, and the answer is very important. Your parents had a child and it was not your sister and it was not your brother. Who was this child?”
Rove replied, “Yes, it is clearly very important that we determine the answer, as no child must be left behind. Can I deliberate on this for a while?”
“Yes,” said Bush, “I’ll give you four hours to come up with the
answer.” So Rove went and called a meeting of the White House Staff, and asked them the riddle. But after much discussion and many suggestions, none of them had a satisfactory answer. So he was quite upset, not knowing what he would tell the President.
As Rove was walking back to the Oval Office, he saw former Secretary
of State Colin Powell approaching him. So he said, “Mr. Secretary, can
you answer this riddle for me? Your parents had a child and it was not
your sister and it was not your brother. Who was the child?”
“That’s easy,” said Powell, “The child was me.”
“Oh thank you,” said Rove, “You may just have saved me my job!”
So Rove went in to the Oval Office and said to President Bush, “I
think I know the answer to your riddle. The child was Colin Powell!”
“No, you idiot!” shouted Bush, “The child was Tony Blair!”
(oldie but goodie that my wife is passing around).
MSNBC just showed Lamont’s bad-coffee ad and promoted tonight’s Hardball as looking at how the web is affecting the 2006 elections.
Dover Bitch 94 - did they mention the java script?
rwcole - that oldie-but-goodie is now making the rounds of my office - thanks for the chuckle!
Anne @ 12:09 pm (#92) - it sounds too much like “Isn’t there some way we don’t have to give “these” people the same rights we have to give “real” Americans?”
Which sounds to me like people who have no idea what the Bill Of Rights actually says. Most of what the BoR does is tell the government what it’s not allowed to do, it can’t abridge free speech, establish a religion, search without a warrant, etc. There’s very little reference to what American citizens deserve or have in the way of rights. Amendment Four mentions “the right of the people to be secure in their homes..”, and Amendments Nine and Ten mention “the people” by way of saying that their rights and powers aren’t limited to what’s in the Constitution. Beyond that, it’s really more of a design specification for our federal government.
Stop snerking and get off my lawn!
rwcole-
I love the joke, never heard it before. I’ll have to pass it on.
New Gallup poll shows GW Clusterfuck at 40% approval- up three points. It looks as if he’s climbing out of the cellar.
That Olbermann segment last night was brilliant. Toughest journalism I’ve seen in ages.
rwcole -
That poll reflects 5-10% of post-sitting authoritarians giving him benefit of the doubt.
After another week of atrocities and bloodshed in Iraq, he’ll be back down to 30-35 at least.
BTW, first time I heard the joke, I thought “No, Rover would reply: Why that’s McCain’s illegitimate black baby!” But then that would mean he’d McCain’s son.
Then again, when has reason and logic ever been operative with this gang?
Shrub up 3 points
That’s just because the christian fundies and confederate flag flyers are coming back because of the gay marriage and flag burning amendments
… or post sitting authoritarians
. . . or post-sitting anti-gay pseudopatriotic authoritarians.
Hey, I did a remix of Bob Novak’s CNN walk-off some time back. I’ll have to get it back online somehow. The Stevens ramble is fantastic.
OT, and on a more serious note, the Archbishop of Canterbury proposes a schism in his own church.
Rev Deb - bless you for the head’s up CSpan 1 will repeat later - here on the central CA coast we’re deprived of CSpan 3 and keenly interested in that hearing.
The Haynes hearings are directly connected to the Hamdan hearings and to the DoD memo just released this morning. Haynes signed off on coercive interrogation techniches at the DoD. Don’t be too buy the MSM spin about the new memo being a change of policy, and don’t assume that anything is solved — as the DOJ witness said, it’s all in the interpretation of Common Article 3. For an excellent analysis of all this, see Marty Lederman (formerly of OLC): http://balkin.blogspot.com/200.....de-by.html
Well, it is the silly thread
What could go wrong with two kids and an open can of paint?
new digs
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....e-big-lie/
All I have to offer on this topic is my ‘collaboration’ with Trading Spouses own Marguerite Perrin:
‘Darksidered’ Tri-oval megamix
;>)
punaise, since it’s MSNBC, I don’t think they’re too big on java script.
Also, in the theme of “Bush of Ghosts” and remixing, check this out, punaise.
Listen to “Bush of George” (the top ranked file). I also liked “A Life Less Secret” but to play that, you have to go through a lot now. You have to click Listen up top, search for it and then click the little red dot that appears on the map to play it (crazy).
Do the poll numbers include the N Korean episode? I think people don’t want to go negative on leader during a crisis. fwiw.
KagroX had this diary up at Kos (maybe at nexthurrah too?) http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/11/141524/163
linking to this LA Times story http://tinyurl.com/fmhv4 about the hearing in front of judge Diggs yesterday.
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Coppolino, quickly reassembling the phalanx post-Hamdan says, “violation of Constitution, statute, oath of office
- it’s all good -
the President has these powers see, like Green Lantern, no, wait,
more like, Silver Surfer - not like, ya know, Wolverine, bc the yellow spandex sagged in places, but like one of those other dudes,
and so, he’s like got that, from this freaky lab accident thing, this chick named Watertiger has the pic, -
and THEN he got these other powers, like when he went switched to DC, where, all these dudes and a few dudettes in yellow ties (at least the dudes) got together and did this invocation thing and called forth the powers of the great War God Mars
and then we had a little problem where the President wanted to spend sixty gajillion dollars on a NASA project bc he thought he had become a Martian and now had to go back -
but we redirected the money to NSA and convinced him he only needs to phone home and so then we got this super cool stuff and it has to be a secret
and if I were Shirley Temple this is where I’d do a very cute curtsey and say “all done”
WHEW! What’s that? Hamdan? I’m not familiar with him, your Honor. What’s his superpower? No wait, don’t tell me if its secret.
A legal precedent?
Doesn’t it help the enemy when we talk about things like law, your Honor? Secret Powers is way cooler and no one knows when you’re just making stuff up. Like, he can too outrun a speeding train, he just doesn’t want to right now.
Where was I?
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My head aches.
But KagroX has nailed it all here:
And while I have little doubt that Judge Taylor will take Hamdan’s legal reasoning in the correct perspective, the issue here was never whether the courts would see the “inherent authority” and AUMF arguments differently, but whether the Bush “administration” would.
We’ve got that answer. Military is fighting to reclaim honor on this one; DOJ is fighting to see who can get the next job at Boeing.
Leslie in CA @ 12:38 pm (#107) - Wow, do I feel brilliant today! Believe me, that’s sarcasm.
I read your description and figured “gays and lesbians”. Sure enough, that’s what it is. They’re willing to break up their church rather than let more people participate in it fully.
Near the bottom, the author expressed her opinion on the “we need to be as holy as the right” argument:
In seeking to create a counterpart to the religious right, we tried to force our values through a narrow hole. In essence, we bought into the religious authoritarianism of the right, inferring that moral authority proceeds only from religion. In this, we have sold ourselves short.
Take that, Senator Obama.
It’s also interesting that this ties in with that John Dean interview we were discussing earlier. Liberals and others on the left aren’t given to blindly following. That’s another reason why trying to ape the right’s use of religion isn’t going to work. We aren’t those people, and we shouldn’t be.
I’ve witnessed the same thing. It goes in cycles. “Big” names like Jim Wallis and Michael Lerner put gatherings together. We come, we find inspirational speakers, there is no after planning, we go home. Rinse and repeat.
Part of the problem is those leaders. Lerner can’t get out of his own way, it’s all about him. Unfortunate.
Anyway I think it’s about sheep vs. cats. You can guess who the liberals are, it’s damned hard to herd them. Rather than concentrate on mobilizing the cats, we need to get more involved with communities like this and the Roots Project. IMHO.
BarbB - the Lederman link you have, http://balkin.blogspot.com/200.....de-by.html
also takes people to the letter from Comey, Philbin, Thompson, Goldsmith all rapturously enthusing over Haynes as a 4th Circuit judge.
How freaking sad that it’s all the DOJ crew that is so in favor of violating laws, treaties and moral boundaries while the only pushback comes from the military.
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