Feel the snark.

Fitz

Jane

Fitz Me! Novak hearts fox!

stinker!

The last time PP called for money, I made a point of telling them that - while I support the good things they do - I would *not* be giving them any more money specifically because they continued to support Joe Lieberman after he voted for cloture on Alito. The person calling was very nice about it and went and grabbed some form they have for feedback and said she filled out what I told her.

Apparently hasn’t made any difference to date, but the next time you see their name on your called ID, pick up the phone and say no and why.

I pretty much figured something like this was coming after the link on the last thread.
Jane,This ones gonna leave a mark.You get so eloquent when you’re mad.

In light of NARAL’s announcement today that they are also endorsing, I just sent them a little note explaining that I am saving my money for organizations who understand what pro-choice really means.

I’ve done the same with no less than 3 Planned Parenthood phone calls. These were for local fundraising in California, but I still said no and told them why in no uncertain terms. The first guy on the other end of the phone seemed really shocked — he was reading off a script and had no idea what I was talking about. The next two seemed to have more of a clue, so maybe the message is starting to get through.

Assuming that the picture of the woman is that of Cecile Richards — wondering to self where did she come from. [Thanks to Leslie in CA’s grammar tips, this is a ‘legal’ sentence’]

I do believe that NARAL, just like AARP, was infiltrated with people that wish women (and seniors) would just behave themselves and be quiet.

Isn’t it lovely when we find out who are friends are?

For me this goes double for the HRC.

Ooooh, that’s gotta hurt.

Time to do the honorable thing and flip-flop Naral and PP. You are forsaking everything you “stand” for, a la Joe.

Quite the brutal dice and slice there, one completely owed and resplendently done. It was snark-eriffic!

Raoul

David, did you see this?

More like Mary Cheney’s chili than Lynne’s, ya think?

OT –

Lara Logan, CBS: Israeli tanks and special forces moving into Gaza anew.

I’ve deleted both NARAL and PP from my donor group but will now begin responding to the emails I continue to get.

lotus @ 15– more pain and destruction to follow.

Hotel internet works. Check in w ye later.

Assuming that the picture of the woman is that of Cecile Richards — wondering to self where did she come from.

She’s former Texas governor Ann Richards’ daughter, and from a very liberal background. I’m quite disturbed that she’d put the national organization on record as supporting Lieberman, especially after his “you can always go down the block to another hospital after you’ve been raped” line.

It’s a mystery.

Tha National Journal article re: WH staff pay raises

http://nationaljournal.com/abo.....711nj1.htm

Interesting, the anonymous Mr. Addington is not included on the WH list even though his predecessor, Libby, was and he hold the same dual titles.

Of coure, the OVP doesn’t have to release info just cuz the WH does. Cheney says so.

Now if only Holy Joe were that honest & forthright!

I called Planned Parenthood and spoke to their media person a few weeks ago; I forget her name, but she was very firm in her support of their decision to endorse Joe Lieberman. She admitted that the “report card” on voting records of politicians is somewhat flawed, but they didn’t have any other way of rating a politician.

I asked her if Lieberman’s vote against confirming Judge Alito was considered a good thing on their report card, and she agreed that it was. When I explained that Lieberman’s REAL vote on Alito was the vote for cloture, she claimed that there wasn’t any way to figure that into the equation.

So yes, the report card IS flawed. I only hope that women in Connecticut and the rest of the nation won’t have to pay for that mistake.

“It’s a mystery.”

I think they’ve quit paying real attention. They have people they feel comfortable with that they feel are likely to be re-elected and they are more interested in preserving that access than in doing the right thing.

Still haven’t found the NARAL link, I guess I just don’t want to believe it until the last minute.

it’s the old “incumbency protection racket”

seems like they’re clenching their eyes shut, forcing fingers in their ears and yelling lalalalalala all the way to the senator’s flim-flam office.

Jane, Sam put it up on the last thread @ 133. I THINK this is the one you are looking for, I may be wrong.

http://www.prochoiceamerica.or.....12006.html

Jane, Sam posted it on the last thread.

Ah, there it is. Thanks, bustedknuckles.

How exactly do non-profit organizations in the US get away with political endorsements without jeoparizing their tax-exempt status? Doesn’t seem right to me.

Gradnma 8

Pretty sure Cecile Richards is Ann Richard’s daughter.

She has good liberal creds, so I don’t know what’s going on here.

My first job out of college lasted 2 weeks, volunteering for Planned Parenthood. Happily though, after 2 weeks I was hired by the state and got paid for doing something :)

Bill Donohue = Archie Bunker.

The resemblance is SO evident. He could come here to Vegas and do a tribute act.

She doesn’t write a very good fund raising letter.

Phew! What a relief!

For a second there, I was afraid that someone might actually get held accountable, and we all know that that would be the end of Democracy as we know it.

(Come to think of it, the end of Democracy as we know it is just what we need…)

Eli, cue REM:

It’s the end of the world as we know it
And I feel fine.

O/T

So, if Novak’s announcing now that he’s spilling beans tomorrow night, is there any chance that Fitz will have anything to say during the day?

It is Wednesday after all, and Fitz may have embargoed him from speaking until after an announcement or filing.

Please?

Jane:

Is this the NARAL link you are looking for?

Novack Sorta Tells All http://www.humaneventsonline.c.....p?id=15988

but why now?

Oh, and BTW. Awesome snark, Jane.

Novak says Rove and Bob Harlow are two of his three sources.

Eli, cue REM:

It’s the end of the world as we know it
And I feel fine.

Stand in the place where you are
Now face North Korea.

Didn’t the state PP and NARAL in Ct. endorse Ned?

so sorry for being OT
Novak writes:
was interrogated at the Swidler Berlin offices Oct. 7, 2003, by an FBI inspector and two agents. I had not identified my sources to my attorneys, and I told them I would not reveal them to the FBI. I did disclose how Valerie Wilson’s role was reported to me, but the FBI did not press me to disclose my sources.

On Dec. 30, 2003, the Justice Department named Fitzgerald as special prosecutor. An appointment was made for Fitzgerald to interview me at Swidler Berlin on Jan. 14, 2004. The problem facing me was that the special prosecutor had obtained signed waivers from every official who might have given me information about Wilson’s wife.

That created a dilemma. I did not believe blanket waivers in any way relieved me of my journalistic responsibility to protect a source. Hamilton told me that I was sure to lose a case in the courts at great expense. Nevertheless, I still felt I could not reveal their names.

However, on Jan. 12, two days before my meeting with Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor informed Hamilton that he would be bringing to the Swidler Berlin offices only two waivers. One was by my principal source in the Valerie Wilson column, a source whose name has not yet been revealed. The other was by presidential adviser Karl Rove, whom I interpret as confirming my primary source’s information. In other words, the special prosecutor knew the names of my sources.

http://www.humaneventsonline.c.....p?id=15988

Novak says Rove and Bob Harlow are two of his three sources.

I figured he was going to say it was Joe and Valerie Wilson…

Didn’t the state PP and NARAL in Ct. endorse Ned?

Yes. But the national orgs apparently don’t know or care what “cloture” is…

So, Novak STILL ain’t gonna give up the 3rd source, the one who ostensibly first outed Plame?

So, any chance of Planned Parenthood seeing the light and recanting? It would seem with the growth of the internet, these cushy little arraingments are getting exposed, and the light is shining brightly on these power pimps that fly too close to the flame. Can these single issue groups be brought to heel, to maybe be a little more succesful–reproductive rights, labor, environment, etc. They are all losing ground big time, as have the Democrats. We need a little shift and these yahoos at Planned Parenthood are not helping. Are we getting through to them?

By “spilling beans” (my comment #36), I am referring to the original source rather than the two confirmations.

My point is that we cut off our noses to ignore the local groups. When you get the call, explain you won’t give to the national and see what happens.

so the real question is now: who was the original principal leaker to Novak? Rove and Harlow were merely confirmatory. Bet it was Cheney !

EPU’d from last thread — the latest from the campaign. They must be blasting all state Ds — I certainly didn’t sign up to be a friend of joe.
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Let us know if you can contribute supporter housing for a volunteer!

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Let us know if you can contribute supporter housing for a volunteer!

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*ilson46201 50 -

Yeah, that would be my guess too.

Can these single issue groups be brought to heel, to maybe be a little more succesful–reproductive rights, labor, environment, etc.

You would think that if you’re a single-issue group, that you would be laser-focused on and dedicated to, you know, your single issue. I really can’t see the NRA telling its members to, say, send Lincoln Chafee a thank-you letter for voting against a gun-control bill after voting in favor of cloture.

Stephen @49, I gotcha. That seems fair and reasonable to me, although I don’t know if the local orgs have to pass money back to the national.

wouldnt it be a hoot if it were Joe Lieberman as the first leaker to Novak ?

Yeah, that would be my guess too.

And if Fitz’s investigations involving Novak’s sources are concluded, that means… what? Cheney’s about to be indicted? Or cleared?

Excellent snark.

Did anyone else in California receive a funds- solicitation letter from a state-based chapter that noted - in the first paragraph - that ‘many of you may not know that the local branches actually help clinics and people’ (something to that effect)? I found it interesting after sending back countless requests for funds from the national group, all marked “no $ for Lieberman.” I’ve been giving for 15 years and I don’t remember ever seeing a state PP organization distance itself from the national in this way.

wouldnt it be a hoot if it were Joe Lieberman as the first leaker to Novak ?

Jeff Gannon.

(Didn’t that theory actually get floated? Didn’t he know a whole lot about Plame and/or Wilson very early on or something?)

Nah, couldn’t have been Cheney. He wouldn”t be going to Faux with his story for that.
I’m betting it’s Armitage or Andrew Card.

I can’t see Cheney, either. Probably another CIA person. Did he know the Wilsons socially?

Just hypothetically: if Novak lied about his sources in his big tell-all piece… would Fitz say anything?

O/T
Update on Haynes nomination. Possible filibuster. If Lindsy, well, possible filibuster.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....p;refer=us

Heh. This evens things up a bit.

Raw Story: Lieberman pollster donates to challenger

Novakula is more than ever putrid crap.
I wonder if he is still speaking to MissPiggy Rover?….Doesn’t sound like it!

moi, I see your point. Just would love for Deadeye Dr. Evil to get nailed, I guess.

Novak has covered himself. He claims that he remembers the meetings and conversations differently than the way the others presented (to the GJ).

Do Joe and Hadassah have any daughters? Either way it is interesting….

Stephen at 65 –

“I remeber that Hilter told me he had a special place for the Jews because, of course, he himself had some relatives who were Jewish.”

Novack is NOT planning to reveal his primary source … Fitz may do so, of course. Novak is going on FauxNews to repeat live in person what we just read in his column…

Faux will get the interview because Novak’s afraid of Tweety! What a putz.

egregious — I hope your sister is OK.

Jane — You have put your finger squarely on the real problem here. After a while, any large organization starts to put its own well-being — and the salaries of its professional staff — above the “mission” it was originally designed to accomplish. What happens to an anti-disease charity if the disease is cured? The March of Dimes managed the transition, sort of, but it never really regained its old status. What would happen to NARAL and Planned Parenthood if they stopped hiding behind “bi-partisanship” and — gasp — actually managed to get a genuinely pro-choice Democratic majority in the Senate who would stop the next Alito? In the immortal words of Deep Throat, “Follow the money.”

Bobby G,
I agree but it doesn’t mean that “Father Pat” isn’t keeping a close eye on the Cheney.
If he cleared Novakula to write his side of the story, and the investigation is still ongoing……Fitz has got to be looking at someone, non?

I love a parade

*heavy sigh*

Well said, BarbaraB - eventually the sole purpose of any organization is its own survival.

yup Joe has a couple of daughters…Rebecca & Hana (info from Sen.Joe’s govt webpage)

Thanks *ilson (#68).

Any thoughts on why? If he’s released and can tell all, are we to believe it’s his integrity keeping him quiet about the original source? It seems only a political agenda or agreement with Fitz would clam him up on that.

the original leak was speaking “off the record” so as a “legitimate journalist” (cough, cough, hack, hack) Novak cant identify him … Novak used the info from primary source as a ‘guide’ to get the same info from the other two.

Primordial Ooze at 74, Novak knows which side his bread is buttered on. He was the go-to guy for the original outing because they knew he would write the column despite his knowledge, per Harlowe’s warning and his own long-time experience of D.C., that he should not. If he revealed his original source, all his wingnut welfare would dry up, and probably his son’s too.

** SHEZ ** You out there?? Need to talk with you and any other women in Michigan. There’s an Emily’s List event next week, need some folks to make a point about this PP/NARAL situation.

If you want details, ping me here in thread (won’t be in my email for another hour, sorry).

Sheeit, NARAL endorsed. Is 75% really enough for an endorsement these days?

Only Chafee scored lower out of their Senate endorsements, with 65%. Everyone else with a 2005 record was 100%.

That info Kirby put up looks like Joe is bringing in a lot of out-of-state operatives. Of course, Democrats are entirely to disorganized, so I wonder what party these operatives belong to?

OFG: maybe it was sent to sister parties like “Oklahoma For Lieberman” or “Idaho for Lieberman” or “Virgin Islands For Lieberman” ?

jlr says: “How exactly do non-profit organizations in the US get away with political endorsements without jeoparizing their tax-exempt status?”
July 11th, 2006 at 3:56 pm

The answer to your question, pending an opportunity for me to research it, might depend upon the answer to this question: under which subsection of Internal Revenue Code section 501(c) was the organization granted exemption from Federal income tax?

or Saipan for Lieberman.

OFG — that occurred to me too. It seems unlikely that the Senator’s campaign is creating any “excitement” at all; fear, concern, demoralization perhaps, but not excitement. Unless they’re Republicans sensing an opportunity for mischief.

Eureka Springs 61 — Thank you for that! It sure makes me feel better. Graham could tie it up in committee, but he also could do a Spector and vote him out while announcing that he will vote against him on the floor. However, a filibuster could still succeed. If Graham and Collins and McCain are expressing doubts about Haynes, that’s three Republican members of the Gang of 14. Someone in Connecticut should ask HoJo what his position is. Fast.

Jane - this is right on target! PP and others have become so used to acting out of fear of people who could be worse, that they have lost all sense of real advocacy. I was so incensed with the Alita vote by so-called pro-choice Senators -Lieberman, Snowe, Collins etc. They need to be held accountable, and so does PP.

Eli @57
Gannon actually has a pretty interesting role in all of this.

Gannon tried to claim “player” status with insider knowledge about Plame’s status prior to Novak’s outing and having been questioned by the FBI. After his story was scrutinized he backed down to saying that all he knew was what was in the papers.

Back in January of 2005, one SusanG asked if anyone else was curious as to Talon New’s Whitehouse chief correspondent role in the outing of Plame.

Lots of people at Kos got involved and on other blogs too and it’s amazing what they came up with.

Not just the obvious titillation of Gannon’s real day — er — night — er — weekend job as a male prostitute, but also the workings of organizations like The Leadership Institute where Gannon took a weekend program that “qualified” him for the job as a conservative journalist.

NYBri got involved and was a driving force behind ePluribus Media and is now as a result of his blogging activities and political passions, running for State Senator in NY.

I don’t know if Joe Wilson read the blogs before this time but that’s when I first read any of his responses to what we were doing.

Talon News had to shut down with Gannon’s exposure. I do not think it too much to say that with its closure, one of the major conduits for WH propaganda to filter into the mainstream was shut down. And bloggers did that.

I like many, discovered FDL because Plame (and indirectly Gannon).

I know of many blogs, including my own new baby blog (linked through my name) that spun out of people’s involvement with the question of Gannon’s knowledge and then the bigger questions of Plame. And many bloggers, including Christy, Jane, emptywheel and others have made names for themselves and are now influencing in other spheres.

I’d just love to know who was the bright bulb who came up with the brilliant plan to get Gannon in the Whitehouse in the first place. The results of that decision and its impact on the neocons’ ability to actually succeed or rather their inability to do so, will make an interesting dissertation one day.

I want to “boast” again — this afternoon (to keep it out of Joe’s paws) I acquired www.ConnecticutForLamont.com — try it !

who in the hell is bob harlow?
and all I got from those links at humaneventsonline was some crap about an article tomorrow…

Sounds like he is trying to recruit friends to house out-of-state friends to assist in a flailing campaign. Doesn’t sound like something an 18 year incumbent would need to do. He doesn’t already have enough in-state friends to house his out-of-state friends? WTF?

BarbaraB: Someone in Connecticut should ask HoJo what his position is. Fast.

Exactly. This is the best time to put pressure on Lieberman to break up the gang of 14. He either helps us on this or we add it to the “bill of particulars.” And what about Ned calling for the Senator to do that?

Sorry if this link’s been posted (I didn’t see it upthread), but emptywheel’s all over Novakula:

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c.....get_a.html

More to come after dinner, says she.

Now back to changing out a flat tire. Still has more class than Novak.

Bob Harlow was the official CIA press rep who told Novak not to publish the info on Valerie whats-her-name

Now back to changing out a flat tire. Still has more class than Novak.

LOL.

BarbaraB: Someone in Connecticut should ask HoJo what his position is. Fast.

He’d probably say: versatile

T- Bob Harlow was CIA; Novak would have called him to confirm Plame’s identity and/or role; but most likely Harlow would have tried to warn off Novak about printing anything about Plame, without revealing who/what she was. But Novak took that as confirmation and published anyway. Don’t recall any conservative wingnuts calling Novak a traitor for that one.

T- says: “who in the hell is bob harlow?”
July 11th, 2006 at 4:52 pm

Bill Harlow is the CIA’s public information officer with whom Bob Novak spoke.

Very nice, *ilson!

OFG 4:40pm — I take exception to the use of a right-wing narrative there, the alleged disorganization of Dems. DNC is for the first time very focused, but on growing the Dem Party.

What’s not in alignment are incumbents from the bottom up and top down; most of the old schoolers and DLC-types feel threatened. Ditto the national single-issue groups, classic behavior as cited in Crashing the Gates. The single-issue folks will throw behind ANYBODY who mouths what they want to hear; nevermind the accountability thing. Same with incumbents, no accountability necessary once they’re in office (like Joe-nertia phoning it in and failing to “go home” for 6 years).

We — the real heart of the organized party — are so damned close right now to ripping the party out from under the feet of these apathetic and unprincipled fakes. The real challenge isn’t lake of organization, but the tipping point where we bulldoze those folks out of the way who will not get in touch with reality. At one point I would have subscribed to the idea that we were merely “fresh horses”, but at this juncture we are clearly the calvary.

Thanks, ya’ll.
On that earlier thread with pictures of those idiots in NY protesting the Times, I’d love to have seen the loyal opposition with a sign saying - What about Bob Novak, hypocrites?

*ilson — nice work!! I think you’ve got the hang of it! Congrats on becoming an “operative”!

The wingnut sites are all jumping up and down about Novak’s statement that he learned Valerie’s name from Joe’s entry in Who’s Who. According to them, Novak’s “primary source” is just someone who confirmed what Novak already “knew” from Mr. Wilson. (So, since Valerie wasn’t NOC and it was common knowledge and nobody did anything wrong, it’s perfectly logical that Novak still refuses to name his orginal source.)

Rayne - I agree, but I hope you meant to cavalry and not calvary. Yikes!

“Senator Straddle, can you give at least one firm answer? What is your favorite color?”

“Plaid.”

KO Plame Novakula lead story now. Maybe we can see through the sludge there.

Keith O leading with Novak

CT Bob @ 22,

As far as I can tell, interest-group scorecards are to an organization’s mission as standardized testing is to being educated. And I say that as someone who’s pretty good a standardized tests.

Cecile Richards does have that cocktail weenie glow about her now doesn’t she.

If Armitage was Novakula’s original source, why isn’t he being prosecuted?

KO up with the Novak story (and I’m so glad Keith has lost the pompadour he was wearing last night.)

This endorsement is unfuckingbelievable.
It’s not like we want to cease supporting the cause due to the morons directing the political endorsements…
I see a big shitstorm on the horizon - Hurricane Jane.

Leslie in CA says
July 11th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
The wingnut sites are all jumping up and down about Novak’s statement that he learned Valerie’s name from Joe’s entry in Who’s Who. According to them, Novak’s “primary source” is just someone who confirmed what Novak already “knew” from Mr. Wilson. (So, since Valerie wasn’t NOC and it was common knowledge and nobody did anything wrong, it’s perfectly logical that Novak still refuses to name his orginal source.)
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Name versus identity. Here we go again. I’m curious why he’s coming forward now. And who the hell is his “primary source”?

Emptywheel makes some great points as well…
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c.....get_a.html

I’ve told NARAL many times now I can’t give them any support because of the national support for Lieberman. I’m frustrated with Planned Parenthood as well, but since Minnesota PP is fighting the good fight against the South Dakota Taliban I’ll probably remain supportive. I’ll just have to rip into the national organization every time I talk to them.

scarecrow is the MAN!

That catch you made on CT electricity was huge!
Now (post endorsements lost) more than ever I hope Ned pays you as a consultant to craft that into soundbytes.

Bill Harlow does not have an entry in Wikipedia, but he is listed there, in an article about the CIA leak case, as a known grand jury testifier.

BarbaraB: Someone in Connecticut should ask HoJo what his position is. Fast.

Excellent point. Any CT’ers out there willing to ask?
Here I sit with more hope on Graham or McCain. Jo has got to go.

Excellent point. Any CT’ers out there willing to ask?

Only Lamont operatives…

Sounds as if PP figures Lieberman is going to win and wants to keep him as a friend rather than turn him into an enemy. They probably figure that if Lamont wins- he’ll be with em in any event.

Joe’s position? How about flexible?

Sounds as if PP figures Lieberman is going to win and wants to keep him as a friend rather than turn him into an enemy.

Then they have a very peculiar definition of “friend”.

Stephen Parrish at 81: like most nonprofit lobbying orgs, NARAL maintains their organization under 501(c)3, but operate a separate Political Action Committee (PAC) under 501(c)4, which allows them to make political contributions, endorse candidates, etc. IRS requires the funding for the two wings to be kept separate.

http://www.prochoiceamerica.or.....ation.html

Joe’s position? How about flexible?

Bent over.

Dana pronounces it over on KO…

I don’t think I’ll take that to the bank just yet, thanks anyway.

Joe’s position? fetal.